Mar 8, 2019 2:43 PM
aenge
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Trust me, I know things.
hnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg
the_more_you_know
cnc_machining
NotTheChad
Going in dry, my man.
Frassasass
crazy how nature do dat.
KuramaKitsune
uhh "ADDITIVE" think thats backwards there
ObliqueRay
Funny how nature do that
ISleptWithSomeoneFromImgurAndAllIGotWasThisStupidUsername
IAmCaptainOblivious
Guys, I figured it out...the video is upside down.
justgifingaround
I get the feeling...this guy knows things..
MxMenagerie
That depth of cut though...
InkedInOttawa
Locline!!!
Snooj
Is this where fingernail extensions come from?
KobeBurger
Looks like something This Old Tony would do
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
ToT is fantastic. I love his style of teaching.
IAmCooCooCaChoo
Crazy how nature does that
Fletcher1985
I give up. What am I looking at? And why is it reversed?
It's a milling machine cutting a block of steel. If I had to venture a guess, it's a carbide end mill cutting maybe 4140 steel?
Thanks!
ktheman
Maybe you don't know as much as you think you do... This is subtractive manufacturing because you're removing material.
TroelsyTwo
Be cool substitute for wood chips. Or gravel at least.
justICE18
To all my fellow machinists, bet you can’t run it faster ?
TheLost1
carbide? speed, feed and mats?
TheGirlWithTheToeThumbs
I haven't had enough coffee today. My first thought was "Oh, cool. Fake nail factory". Then I read words and felt dumb.
drbaker
I’m an engineer, I can confirm that this is real.
idahomachinist
Sometimes I wish I could reverse machine.
KringelbertFishtybuns
What kind of machine is that? Looks similar to some that we have in our shop.
pokeinmynono
I admit that it took my way longer than it should have for me to figure out the machine wasn’t making purple fake nail tips.....
TheSecondMeme
Took me a hot second to notice the recording is in reversed.
mattsmithDW
Is this a HAAS? It looks very similar to the setup we have at work!
Maze8610
Might be, looks like the VF5
oplock
Make sure you run M4 in stead of M3 when doing additive milling.
LegVacuum
greeting fellow machinist. nice chips
ezca
Millers unite!
this technique is new to me... its like reverse climb milling, lol/
czme
I too am a machinist, mazak gang
never worked with a mazak. got a few haas machines in my shop
When I went to college I worked souly with Haas machines. But I started working and my shop only has mazak and conversational is so much ->
<- easier than g code
God damn Millbillies!!!
tepepe
There are dozens of us!
dozens! I think that makes the endangered species list
idontseewhynotandwhyihaventdoneitbefore
because f**k entropy
DuckyofDeath123
I guess I'm the only one here old enough to immediately think of the nano-lathe building process in Total Annihilation?
CoeusDarksoul
My whole fucking life was that game 20 years ago... MSN Gaming Zone was SOOO fucking great!
joshtheperson
Holy shit someone else played that game!? That was my intro to video games
FerengiCommerceAuthority
I used to try and make modded units for that game... Extremely poorly
GayBondageMaster
I can't believe someone mentioned that.
Poopoopeepeevagina
Oh wow I remember.
Also: Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. To me, Chris Taylor's swan song.
The cheezy remake, as we veterans call it, is still pretty awesome to play on Forged Allience Forever... I should install it again.
mycatisfat83
Oh man I remember that game!
arthurcloud
Moooooooooooood
HeraldofOmega
What began as a conflict over the transfer on consciousness from flesh to machine has escalated into a war which has decimated a million
fuck you I'm installing it right now.
probablyabnormal
Man I can remember having LAN parties playing that game - good times
Well for the first 50 units. Then it slowed riiiight the fuck down.
My buddy’s dad at the time was an engineer - his office had hella top of the line computers. Ran like a dream with 6 of us
We had a graphics design company's artists machines too. Your dream may have included fairly sluggish gameplay, or smaller maps.
idontfitin
I know its reversed, but why are the cuttings purple?????????????
Persiles
It's titanium
saintofchaoticgood
Because it’s really fucking hot
maskaya
friction heat
Mac0397
Because of all the talk of anti-vax on Reddit and Imgur
PascalCasedUserName
It's cabbage
djknetic
I thought cabbage was being blown into a weird blender
Cal1te
Because the earth is flat.
DUCKFORABUCK
And melting
SofaH3ro
Metal is actually produced by compacting onion skins on a mill
Dxb105
Can confirm as a welder mild steel can be brittle blue or a vibrant purple depending on temp went cooled/at the time
Althox00
Prince was the machinist, all his chips were purple.
bluegas68
Heat.
BlackDeku
Because it's an ultra-rare item.
hiro300
Heat makes an oxide layer on the steel. The color is from the oxide thickness. Just like soap bubbles.
barrettsmithbb
It's from the temperature, purple is around 500F.
MapedMod
Oxidation caused by heat.
3Rsim
They are between 271-283°c. Friction makes shit hot.
jakeoCosmosVillain
Heat
originalBabewiththePower
My fat ass thought it was purple cabbage
neutrik
Bon appetit.
UnknownTBeast
So did I
pharmacistlady
I thought they were crocus petals. Nothing wrong with thinking it's cabbage- cabbage is good for you :)
TheDairyPope
I was thinking 'So what are we making, kraut or slaw?'
AwwDamn321
At least you’ve got an eye for veggies. Not as fat assed-ness, could be worse.
Well, there isn't really any purple junk food.
Hammertulski
Blue corn tortilla chips and black bean dip are kinda purple in the right light. That's still probably healthy, though.
Doopapotamus
Purple drank. Kids' cereal. Chicha. Grape-flavored fruit snacks.
basiecally
It’s just really unusual to see purple chips in steel, they often come out a shade of blue. Purple is a very tight spectrum of temperatures.
miner1coalminer
Thank you!
halosk8ingking
Feed rate is a bit too high
THUB
Kind of, but steel goes from yellow to red through to blue at a predictable temperature, so if you've got the cutting speed right, purple.
RyBorgington
Depends on the material but tan is the optimum color for most steel machining
This is too little space for me to put all the reasons I disagree with that statement. As a 12 year machinist.
Yeah, it’s all predictable based on temp and alloy, but from my own work, dark and light blue seems to cover a larger spectrum of temps.
That's definitely true, especially because blue and the dark grey color steel goes at the end of the spectrum are close visually.
Because if you do it right, all the heat goes Into the chip and not the part. I'm also using air blast which only cools the tool.
MegatonSTL
So, what endmill, spindle speed, and feedrate are you using?
DaFuqisnull
I'm in an apprenticeship for Machining. You like what you do?
vegivamp
... i didn't really watch the tool, and thought this was red cabbage being sliced... I am not a smart man.
Krembananen
Good answer! Cool video aswell :) Former CNC Operator here.
ImakeEverythingAwkward
What material is that? My 24 hour machine work shop only let me cut 6061 Al land 1018 steel and none of them did that
HellooooNurse
You had me going for exactly 2 seconds op. Good shit
tocfanke4
Brohamma
Called dry hobbing I think
thatlukejames
Hobbing is a process for cutting teeth or splines in stock. This is dry milling prob using carbide and air blast to keep the tooling cool.
Vaeevictiss
I always got purple shavings when there end mill started getting dull. Didn't know this was intended.
Depending on the material and the endmill used, you want to keep the temp within a certain margin. Sometimes that makes the chip 1/2
Change colour. Sometimes air cooling is needed, other times emulsion coolant is needed. It all depends on multiple factors.
Ya i usually only use cooling fluid with stainless. Never with aluminum as it never seems to need it. I only mess with it as a hobby as well
so heat turns it purple? cool. does it stay purple or turns grey/silver when cool?
No.
Recreationaldrugsnuggler
Im assuming an oxidation type reaction, which would be permanent unless you remove the oxidized layer, like sanding off rust
AnonOmis1000
Tgeres actually a decent range of comers you can achieve. It starts st a golden straw, slowly becoming light, then dark blue, then purple.
Milesgloriosus
Heat helps form an oxide on the newly exposed metal, that oxide is different colors based on temperature. Same as on exhaust pipes. Sorta.
RingSting
https://imgur.com/hMQLK7W
BeaveIt2Leaver
I think it's lost on some exactly how informative that is. Thank you.
MrGrundy
3
3/4" ZCC endmill. 1400 rpm 19ipm
Mithi
Stays. Fun thing, you can use it to distinguish how hot it was: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anlauffarbe (couldn't find English source)
Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_(metallurgy)#Tempering_colors
Hammerwell
It's in the Tempering article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_%28metallurgy%29#Tempering_colors
dvd587
So what’s actually happening is an effect called thin film interference. The metal gets hot enough to accelerate the oxidation 1/8
of the metal and thus starts depositing a very minuscule layer of that metal’s oxide on the surface of the chip. The reason why it gets 2/8
so hot is the cutter is designed in such a way to deposit most of the heat in the chip, thus preventing the cutter or stock material 3/8
It stays that color, depending on the amount of heat it could be other colors as well.
BabyTink
DiabeticDolphin
Dude more those shavings are razor sharp. I used to clean mills and sliced my thumb so cleanly it didn't hurt a bit.
NoEyeDontKnow
What material is being milled? Looks like Ti
H-13 tool steel
Tankynumnums
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's due to tempering the steel. Those shavings are about 540° F coming off of there. Does the part warp?
snipekill1997
Not tempering, the outer surface is hot enough that it gains an abnormally thick oxide layer that's exact thickness causes the color.
Heat goes to the chip, not the part. If done improperly then yes, it would warp the part
BobHubert
It’s due to tempering meaning these are very hard (not the only thing) this is something you look for when making a knife
iPickedScout
Tempering is a slow heating process to make metal less hard and brittle, this is not what's happening here.
soniclettuce
Tempering reduces hardness to improve durability. Things that are too hard are brittle and would break easily.
/a/IYRjtUj
f3n1x187
NEAT!
PhoKingYu
Ah the forbidden purple onion...
brodiewankanobi
Forbidden feathers
swipesomething
This picture is inspiring; just because I'm trash doesn't mean I can't be pretty :D
MoonMoonYouIdiot
Should put those in resin and make a bar top.
IonicPopcorn
Peter brown on youtube did something like that
DropKickHead
I'd line some shoes with those, like some hightop sneaks on the toe and around the heel
NotTheChad
Going in dry, my man.
Frassasass
crazy how nature do dat.
KuramaKitsune
uhh "ADDITIVE" think thats backwards there
ObliqueRay
Funny how nature do that
ISleptWithSomeoneFromImgurAndAllIGotWasThisStupidUsername
IAmCaptainOblivious
Guys, I figured it out...the video is upside down.
justgifingaround
I get the feeling...this guy knows things..
MxMenagerie
That depth of cut though...
InkedInOttawa
Locline!!!
Snooj
Is this where fingernail extensions come from?
KobeBurger
Looks like something This Old Tony would do
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
ToT is fantastic. I love his style of teaching.
IAmCooCooCaChoo
Crazy how nature does that
Fletcher1985
I give up. What am I looking at? And why is it reversed?
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
It's a milling machine cutting a block of steel. If I had to venture a guess, it's a carbide end mill cutting maybe 4140 steel?
Fletcher1985
Thanks!
ktheman
Maybe you don't know as much as you think you do... This is subtractive manufacturing because you're removing material.
TroelsyTwo
Be cool substitute for wood chips. Or gravel at least.
justICE18
To all my fellow machinists, bet you can’t run it faster ?
TheLost1
carbide? speed, feed and mats?
TheGirlWithTheToeThumbs
I haven't had enough coffee today. My first thought was "Oh, cool. Fake nail factory". Then I read words and felt dumb.
drbaker
I’m an engineer, I can confirm that this is real.
idahomachinist
Sometimes I wish I could reverse machine.
KringelbertFishtybuns
What kind of machine is that? Looks similar to some that we have in our shop.
pokeinmynono
I admit that it took my way longer than it should have for me to figure out the machine wasn’t making purple fake nail tips.....
TheSecondMeme
Took me a hot second to notice the recording is in reversed.
mattsmithDW
Is this a HAAS? It looks very similar to the setup we have at work!
Maze8610
Might be, looks like the VF5
oplock
Make sure you run M4 in stead of M3 when doing additive milling.
LegVacuum
greeting fellow machinist. nice chips
ezca
Millers unite!
aenge
Thanks!
LegVacuum
this technique is new to me... its like reverse climb milling, lol/
czme
I too am a machinist, mazak gang
LegVacuum
never worked with a mazak. got a few haas machines in my shop
czme
When I went to college I worked souly with Haas machines. But I started working and my shop only has mazak and conversational is so much ->
czme
<- easier than g code
Maze8610
God damn Millbillies!!!
tepepe
There are dozens of us!
LegVacuum
dozens! I think that makes the endangered species list
idontseewhynotandwhyihaventdoneitbefore
because f**k entropy
DuckyofDeath123
I guess I'm the only one here old enough to immediately think of the nano-lathe building process in Total Annihilation?
CoeusDarksoul
My whole fucking life was that game 20 years ago... MSN Gaming Zone was SOOO fucking great!
joshtheperson
Holy shit someone else played that game!? That was my intro to video games
FerengiCommerceAuthority
I used to try and make modded units for that game... Extremely poorly
GayBondageMaster
I can't believe someone mentioned that.
Poopoopeepeevagina
Oh wow I remember.
CoeusDarksoul
Also: Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. To me, Chris Taylor's swan song.
DuckyofDeath123
The cheezy remake, as we veterans call it, is still pretty awesome to play on Forged Allience Forever... I should install it again.
mycatisfat83
Oh man I remember that game!
arthurcloud
Moooooooooooood
HeraldofOmega
What began as a conflict over the transfer on consciousness from flesh to machine has escalated into a war which has decimated a million
DuckyofDeath123
fuck you I'm installing it right now.
probablyabnormal
Man I can remember having LAN parties playing that game - good times
DuckyofDeath123
Well for the first 50 units. Then it slowed riiiight the fuck down.
probablyabnormal
My buddy’s dad at the time was an engineer - his office had hella top of the line computers. Ran like a dream with 6 of us
DuckyofDeath123
We had a graphics design company's artists machines too. Your dream may have included fairly sluggish gameplay, or smaller maps.
idontfitin
I know its reversed, but why are the cuttings purple?????????????
Persiles
It's titanium
saintofchaoticgood
Because it’s really fucking hot
maskaya
friction heat
Mac0397
Because of all the talk of anti-vax on Reddit and Imgur
PascalCasedUserName
It's cabbage
djknetic
I thought cabbage was being blown into a weird blender
Cal1te
Because the earth is flat.
DUCKFORABUCK
And melting
SofaH3ro
Metal is actually produced by compacting onion skins on a mill
Dxb105
Can confirm as a welder mild steel can be brittle blue or a vibrant purple depending on temp went cooled/at the time
Althox00
Prince was the machinist, all his chips were purple.
bluegas68
Heat.
BlackDeku
Because it's an ultra-rare item.
hiro300
Heat makes an oxide layer on the steel. The color is from the oxide thickness. Just like soap bubbles.
barrettsmithbb
It's from the temperature, purple is around 500F.
MapedMod
Oxidation caused by heat.
3Rsim
They are between 271-283°c. Friction makes shit hot.
jakeoCosmosVillain
Heat
originalBabewiththePower
My fat ass thought it was purple cabbage
neutrik
Bon appetit.
UnknownTBeast
So did I
pharmacistlady
I thought they were crocus petals. Nothing wrong with thinking it's cabbage- cabbage is good for you :)
TheDairyPope
I was thinking 'So what are we making, kraut or slaw?'
AwwDamn321
At least you’ve got an eye for veggies. Not as fat assed-ness, could be worse.
originalBabewiththePower
Well, there isn't really any purple junk food.
Hammertulski
Blue corn tortilla chips and black bean dip are kinda purple in the right light. That's still probably healthy, though.
Doopapotamus
Purple drank. Kids' cereal. Chicha. Grape-flavored fruit snacks.
basiecally
It’s just really unusual to see purple chips in steel, they often come out a shade of blue. Purple is a very tight spectrum of temperatures.
miner1coalminer
Thank you!
halosk8ingking
Feed rate is a bit too high
THUB
Kind of, but steel goes from yellow to red through to blue at a predictable temperature, so if you've got the cutting speed right, purple.
RyBorgington
Depends on the material but tan is the optimum color for most steel machining
THUB
This is too little space for me to put all the reasons I disagree with that statement. As a 12 year machinist.
basiecally
Yeah, it’s all predictable based on temp and alloy, but from my own work, dark and light blue seems to cover a larger spectrum of temps.
THUB
That's definitely true, especially because blue and the dark grey color steel goes at the end of the spectrum are close visually.
aenge
Because if you do it right, all the heat goes Into the chip and not the part. I'm also using air blast which only cools the tool.
MegatonSTL
So, what endmill, spindle speed, and feedrate are you using?
DaFuqisnull
I'm in an apprenticeship for Machining. You like what you do?
vegivamp
... i didn't really watch the tool, and thought this was red cabbage being sliced... I am not a smart man.
Krembananen
Good answer! Cool video aswell :) Former CNC Operator here.
ImakeEverythingAwkward
What material is that? My 24 hour machine work shop only let me cut 6061 Al land 1018 steel and none of them did that
HellooooNurse
You had me going for exactly 2 seconds op. Good shit
tocfanke4
Brohamma
Called dry hobbing I think
thatlukejames
Hobbing is a process for cutting teeth or splines in stock. This is dry milling prob using carbide and air blast to keep the tooling cool.
Vaeevictiss
I always got purple shavings when there end mill started getting dull. Didn't know this was intended.
Krembananen
Depending on the material and the endmill used, you want to keep the temp within a certain margin. Sometimes that makes the chip 1/2
Krembananen
Change colour. Sometimes air cooling is needed, other times emulsion coolant is needed. It all depends on multiple factors.
Vaeevictiss
Ya i usually only use cooling fluid with stainless. Never with aluminum as it never seems to need it. I only mess with it as a hobby as well
idontfitin
so heat turns it purple? cool. does it stay purple or turns grey/silver when cool?
hiro300
No.
Recreationaldrugsnuggler
Im assuming an oxidation type reaction, which would be permanent unless you remove the oxidized layer, like sanding off rust
AnonOmis1000
Tgeres actually a decent range of comers you can achieve. It starts st a golden straw, slowly becoming light, then dark blue, then purple.
Milesgloriosus
Heat helps form an oxide on the newly exposed metal, that oxide is different colors based on temperature. Same as on exhaust pipes. Sorta.
RingSting
https://imgur.com/hMQLK7W
BeaveIt2Leaver
I think it's lost on some exactly how informative that is. Thank you.
MegatonSTL
So, what endmill, spindle speed, and feedrate are you using?
MrGrundy
3
aenge
3/4" ZCC endmill. 1400 rpm 19ipm
Mithi
Stays. Fun thing, you can use it to distinguish how hot it was: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anlauffarbe (couldn't find English source)
Mithi
Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_(metallurgy)#Tempering_colors
Hammerwell
It's in the Tempering article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_%28metallurgy%29#Tempering_colors
dvd587
So what’s actually happening is an effect called thin film interference. The metal gets hot enough to accelerate the oxidation 1/8
dvd587
of the metal and thus starts depositing a very minuscule layer of that metal’s oxide on the surface of the chip. The reason why it gets 2/8
dvd587
so hot is the cutter is designed in such a way to deposit most of the heat in the chip, thus preventing the cutter or stock material 3/8
aenge
It stays that color, depending on the amount of heat it could be other colors as well.
BabyTink
DiabeticDolphin
Dude more those shavings are razor sharp. I used to clean mills and sliced my thumb so cleanly it didn't hurt a bit.
NoEyeDontKnow
What material is being milled? Looks like Ti
aenge
H-13 tool steel
Tankynumnums
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's due to tempering the steel. Those shavings are about 540° F coming off of there. Does the part warp?
snipekill1997
Not tempering, the outer surface is hot enough that it gains an abnormally thick oxide layer that's exact thickness causes the color.
aenge
Heat goes to the chip, not the part. If done improperly then yes, it would warp the part
BobHubert
It’s due to tempering meaning these are very hard (not the only thing) this is something you look for when making a knife
iPickedScout
Tempering is a slow heating process to make metal less hard and brittle, this is not what's happening here.
soniclettuce
Tempering reduces hardness to improve durability. Things that are too hard are brittle and would break easily.
aenge
/a/IYRjtUj
f3n1x187
NEAT!
PhoKingYu
Ah the forbidden purple onion...
brodiewankanobi
Forbidden feathers
swipesomething
This picture is inspiring; just because I'm trash doesn't mean I can't be pretty :D
MoonMoonYouIdiot
Should put those in resin and make a bar top.
IonicPopcorn
Peter brown on youtube did something like that
DropKickHead
I'd line some shoes with those, like some hightop sneaks on the toe and around the heel