canigifinpaint
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"For you see, my made up number is far superior to your actual data for....reasons"
A great example of a common debate bro tactic. Throw out numbers with no basis in reality, then attack the sources if you're challenged with any real proof.
Stay safe and stay salty my fellow donkeys.
beatmacster
Ffs! That’s how percentages work. You don’t need to ask everyone what they believe…just a large enough group of them to give a reasonably accurate result.
DSREX
So far #2, could be more in the works. AZ and others are reviewing charges currently.
mkwai
There are two meanings to "believe". One is "from my point of view, it's probably true", and the other is more like in "I believe in that god"—more about signalling and coordinating than truth-seeking. It might well be that dudebro's initial comment is accurate if we restrict ourselves to the first meaning.
DJOldguy
#2 What a fucking hero he is... Failed to get Mexico to pay for his wall, failed to get cheaper prescriptions, failed to fix our roads, but, to be fair, he did cut taxes, lots for the ultra wealthy- a little, if any, for the rest of us, and managed to increase the Federal Deficit by $3 TRILLION by 2025. What a fucking hero!
DorMin2
it's the loudest and dumbest (and most hateful) republicans who are setting the party's agenda, anyone going along with it is at best declaring that it's not a dealbreaker for them
SherMattLockSmith
Just the other day someone posted on r/til that olives are " bad for your health and are associated with adverse cardiac events." When what they posted didn't match what they said they went "oh, yea, I made it all up but olives are still ba and people should remove them from their diet.
bananasarethedevil
Sad to admit but if I see basic grammatical errors in a post I assume the writer to be an idiot. Even though I make mistakes ‘alot’ also.
Xenarion
That's the average user tho... then again, the average human is indeed idiot.
ThePastmaster
"That's not how a statistical model works." came to mind. You interview a random range of people to get an estimate. Just throwing out a number is just sad.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Nice you gottem. But it was buried too deep in the comment tree for others to see and upvote your sick burn, had to fix that!
Selfawerewolf
Thinking that Republicans will miss an opportunity to tell someone who they intend to vote for is a fallacy all on its own. Kinda seems like Blue there is a non-Trump-supporting Republican who doesn't want to realize they are in fact the minority.
mkwai
There are two meanings to "believe". One is "from my point of view, it's probably true", and the other is more like in "I believe in that god"—more about signalling and coordinating than truth-seeking. It might well be that dudebro's initial comment is accurate if we restrict ourselves to the first meaning.
icycoolbluewater
Take those poles
ToSisPoS
You lost the minute you did anything beyond downvoting the blob.
ObiHaiv
It's a fact that 37% of all statistics are made up.
rubypilgrim
What about the failed airline and the failed casinos? A little personal story about Trump: years ago, I was in a real estate investment club. Trump and his then wife Ivana sent reps to pitch a Las Vegas casino/condo tower. They wanted us to buy pre-construction condos at a "discount" to "show city hall there was demand for the tower." That's right. No building permit. Didn't own the land, so far as I know. They painted a rosy picture of this fantastic future with the Trump brand. They noted-
rubypilgrim
that the tower might not get built, and in that case funds would not be returned, as they were to be used to get the permits and - well, hey, pre-construction. Most of the people there plunked down a big chunk of their savings on one or more of these vapor condos. A few months later, guess what. "City Hall wouldn't issue permits." They legally made millions of dollars selling NOTHING. That's what we're dealing with here.
MyriadofThought
Again, they are not that stupid. They lie on purpose.
Mr21782Man
Not just imgur, I see this all the time.
TriggerWarning
As soon as that blob won the primary, those bootlickers did exactly what bootlickers always do.. Toe the line.
neospor1n
I remember during the primaries there were a looot of republicans saying they didn’t like him, then immediately after winning the primaries “he’s my god”
iamlamp2
What's toe the line mean?
alcaray
It is an idiom that means to comply with some expectations or rules that have been expressed to you.
Burke616
There's a line, and you put your toe on it, thus standing in a defined/expected position.
Govote
It's all of them. They all vote. You should too. You can check your voter registration at https://vote.org
MetalPsychologist
@op, why block out the name? Why would a conversation on this public platform need anonymity?
canigifinpaint
As someone who has been witch-hunted on this platform (even for just a day), the last thing I'd want to do is start another.
MetalPsychologist
Respect
SomeDetroitGuy
Blue Dude doesn't understand how math works.
KentKnifen
An alarming number of people in this country do not understand fractions or percentages, and fewer still understand how statistics work.
Geistbar
Also doesn't understand how polling works and how you can get a reasonably statistically accurate conclusion with a random sample of 1000. Even accounting for the fact that sample randomness has been going down, the accuracy is well within the realms of back of the envelope discussion for any decent poll.
mrputter
Absolutely this. The number of people that don't understand the Central Limit Theorem never fails to depress the shit out of me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem
mrputter
(And to be clear, I understand there's a lot of pretty heavy math on that page that can be intimidating to people. I don't expect everyone to understand every formula and nuance. But just the general concept that a random sample, as long as it's big enough, of a larger population will tell you accurate things about any independently distributed variable within that population.)
Casually
What the polling was not asking 100% of the republicans in America? What a lazy and inaccurate poll. /s
TriggerWarning
Remember when idiocy used to be funny? Before it had global consequences on a daily basis?
HackerJacker
The issue isn't that it isn't asking 100%, it's whether the people they are asking are actually representative or not.
mafiacarstarter
If only there were organizations that have spent the last 100 years or more working very hard to develop polling protocols that very accurately reflect public opinion.
OnyxTurret
Or, like the polls in 2015, if the people were being honest with the poll takers.
JinxRocks
For those who think its the louded 1%, if you don't speak up to prove it, then.. you are letting them speak for 100%. And frankly, every MAGAt I know seems to parrot all the same ideas so either that 1% all live near me, or its a far bigger number than 1%. And we all know its the latter since nobody on the right is correcting them.
somethingwentwrongwiththis
This guy brings up a good point. I wonder how many Trumpers take the pole. My guess it's it's a lot, but they're in denial. (This is a grammar joke.)
Stanistani
@neilconn19872
canigifinpaint
Yes I'm sure that person will respond when they finally check their alt account.
Stanistani
I'm not holding even a puff of my breath, myself.
Eldis
Ah, Republicans refusing to believe their party has literally transformed into a genuine fascist organisation trying to overthrow democracy.
sfrinlan
I think the appropriate term there is "sane-washing", in that they go "Oh, no, of course we don't _actually_ believe this completely batshit thing, we just have to vote that way because we believe in freedom and fiscal responsibility" or whatever
Eldis
It's weird as fuck how hard a human mind can fuck itself when it's being bombarded with misinformation.
januarylover
I think a lot of them know they want fascism. & one of the ways to help achieve it is by gaslighting the people angrily pointing that out. Buncha DARVO going on.
Eldis
Some of it is bound to be this, yeah.
doesntmatter
People often use percentages non-literally to emphasise that they mean a few or a lot.
canigifinpaint
Did you know that I'm an astronaut? Well, not really, I just like saying that non-literally to emphasize (correct spelling) that I'm out of this world /fingerguns (in all seriousness, why wouldn't he say that instead of attacking the actual numbers?)
doesntmatter
Not everyone has rhetoric wherewithal to stop and think through what they mean when they're arguing. Winning the argument becomes more important than clarity. So when you counter their non-literal figure with real numbers they feel they feel they need to defend their number, and their need to be winning the argument changes what the argument is about.
canigifinpaint
I'll be honest, that sounds like his problem and not mine.
Xenarion
Wow, it's as if that's how surveys work, with a smaller yet significant sample size that is most of the time pretty accurate at a few percent of margin of error.
tpanyS
In fairness way too many these days are purposely skewed. Like if you go and poll 1000 people in a trump community in Florida, gonna have a shit ton of votes for trump, you go and poll 1000 people in like LA or some shit, gonna be a lot less, but that's how a lot of them try to 'shock' with the numbers. FoxNews was (still is?) pretty notorious for that shit when you look at the polling info (when they even share it).
Xenarion
Fair point. But to expect to survey the entire population is a whole different thing.
tpanyS
Indeed, which is why I generally hold any polls these days with a grain of a salt lol, cause half the people who opt-in to these things anymore feels like it's just the people who like to scream their support the loudest (which just happens to more often than not be republican side views).
sfrinlan
Arguing selection bias is a completely valid way to discredit a poll. If the person had done than and shown a meaningful argument for it, we'd be having a totally different conversation.
tpanyS
Just saying though there have been many on here too, there's also the issue that so many polls since COVID have moved to opt-in online methods with questionable verification methods to make sure they're actual people voting in them.
sfrinlan
I'm not saying selection bias is an invalid argument, just that one has to competently make that argument. We can't throw out all polls just because selection bias broadly exists
sylkysmooth
You ARE right. Like, dude took the stupid pill but.. I just.. did you really go out of your way to make a post all about some random rightwinger being stupid at you? Again, you're right, I just can't imagine putting in even the small amount of effort to do this. Neither this person nor this situation really seems worth it. Maybe it's just me, I dunno. If there were other idiots agreeing, sure, yet all we see here is just you and the idiot. Seems a bit self-aggrandizing, at least to me.
januarylover
Probably. But maybe it's also a good reminder for people that this is how they 'argue' in the comments. Make something up. Get called out with actual stats. Throw sand at the source. Repeat.
PullShporttel
I'm just not sure why they painted over the name without also using a different account. This is a roundabout way of getting people to click your profile and downvote the original comments.
sylkysmooth
Yeah. Was thinking this, too, but ran out of characters. Seemed like a way for people to scroll through their stuff and go on a witch hunt for the perp. Like even more attention to themselves and getting their back patted, so to speak, while also dogpiling on the they "censored."
sylkysmooth
". . . while also dogpiling on the one* they. . ." Comments seriously need an edit button, at least one that's active for a limited time so you can quickly correct simple typos like this. Jeez.
canigifinpaint
Yes clicking buttons on Imgur is so hard, all that effort wasted. Thank goodness winter is coming along so I can hibernate in my shame. I'll try to remember, when I call out misinformation, to only do so in the most humbling manor, lest you think such bewildering things about me.
sylkysmooth
You called out the misinformation in the comment. You didn't need to go and make a whole post about it. It really wasn't a big enough deal to do so. Barely anyone noticed it or was affected by said misinformation and, again, you already corrected it there. This feels very witch-hunty overkill for such an inane response from a silly person in such an inconsequential situation.
canigifinpaint
Frankly I can post about anything I want if it falls within Imgur's rules. If it was a witch hunt why would I go to the trouble of censoring his name? Or why wouldn't I link to the original post? You guys will just make accusations if you can't talk about the facts of the matter. It's not a witch hunt to point out these kinds of contradictions.
sylkysmooth
The "trouble of censoring," all did is what was discussed above, encourage people to click on your profile and go through your comments to find it since you posted this from the exact same account that you had the discussion with the person with. That way if they do get dogpiled you can just be all, "I went through the trouble of censoring I had no idea this might happen!" And, yeah, you can post w/e, doesn't stop this from feeling petty and like you're stroking your own ego.
canigifinpaint
Where, oh where, did I tell people to click on my profile and track down this comment? Please tell me, unless of course this is just another accusation with no basis or merit. Are you trying to make me responsible for the actions of every single person who views my post after they view it? If I was, I'd make you go back and finish high school. The guy has a whole 8 downvotes, what kind of dog pile even is that lmao.
LlamaLlama0
Guys, he's right! Only 1% of Republicans approve of Trump. That's why 99% of Republicans voted against him in 2020. Right?
EggEggHeSaidEgg
Republicans definitely have the capacity for the mental gymnastics to say "I didn't vote for Trump, I voted Republican" and convince themselves that therefore they're not not part of the problem.
canigifinpaint
I remember hearing a lot of "I disagree with what he does personally, but politically our interests align" as a way to handwave all his moral failings, while also trying to attack Joe Biden on his moral failings. Does personal failure only matter if it's a Democrat then?
khora
He didn’t say that, only that we only see the loudest and dumbest 1%. Doesn’t mean the 99% fundamentally disagree.
AngryKoboldWithSomeGlasses
Republicans are either stupid, horrifyingly ignorant, insanely selfish, or a combination of the 3, that they would continue to support a man that made an attempt to dismantle US democracy. We laugh now because his attempt fell apart swiftly when Pence and pals didn't playball, but if they the situation would be quite different. This is before figuring that supporters are hurt by R policies yet continue to support them because they hate the blue team due to decades of Murdoch media
AngryKoboldWithSomeGlasses
And before you mention a fear of government overreach or overexpenditure, we are seeing republicans in many states jump at the chance to flout and violate many liberties they cried in fear about when democrats were in charge, not to mention the massive deficits they built giving money away to megacorps whilst they're executives buy bigger yachts trying to one up eachother. It's quite obvious that the R party does not embody liberty or fiscal responsibility, and perhaps they have not for decades.
khora
Yes, slash and spend republicans.
AngryKoboldWithSomeGlasses
When the overwhelming majority of the Republican party votes for slashing and spending, then surely you must realise the party as a whole has not supported fiscal conservatism for quite a while now? You would think that if there was a major fiscally conservative faction that it might block slash and spend bills and negotiate a better budget, but we almost never see it happen. Face it, it's all lip service. They don't care about the budget until a Democrat is in charge