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Fuck the Turkish Terrorists who are fighting together with radical islamists against the Kurds
Oct 13, 2019 8:06 AM
robnes
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Fuck the Turkish Terrorists who are fighting together with radical islamists against the Kurds
Tocilo
Xi xi xi xi xi
AMeanOldMan
Erdocunt.
CyanXiphos
780 ISIS prisoners are currently at large after Turkish soldiers freed them from their Kurdish guards...
DarkAngelWarlord
in the last one hundred years Turkey has committed what 10 Genocides why is this New?
upvotesfordoggos
This is prob gonna get some downvotes
Finduses
I don't understand how so many Turkish people abroad support him so much.
sumowoman
Same reason a Brit living in Benidorm would vote for Brexit. Fake grandeur and nostalgia.
Thothshai
Well you can thank the US for ISIS.
zooumberg8
Northern Iraq 1993, 116 Turkish soldiers attacked a Kurdish village with 12 Royal Marines protecting it. Turks regretted it.
jfender
Who, afterall, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
MrCroupAndMrVandemar
LMEPHISTO
many trust me. politicians dont, but the people do speak, many countries even teach in school about these genocides.
schlummi
It's a quote from a hitler speech.
obarey
It's funny because he is a horrible person, but not a racist. He doesn't kill anyone because of hate, just good ole profit.
Bodie1Knobie
In between swings looks like Kevin Spacey, lol
Treblaine
Really? I don't see it.
Bodie1Knobie
Stare into the eyes.
PooPculture
Hitler underwent plastic surgery, took some acting classes and went on to win two academy awards as his alias Kevin Spacey. True story.
BenSnow97
Noob, he could have done it as Chaplin
dustmywets
MightestGlowCloud
Anthemius
By going for Godwinian reductionism, you risk overlooking the true horrors of Erdogan's crimes. Don't just label him. Be bigger. Engage.
LMEPHISTO
That is something that the politicians ellected by the people around the world should do. But as always they do nothing!
Anthemius
quote
Anthemius
*quite
SwamiDBaron
Islamic AKP / Erdogan was openly providing weapons and logistic help to ISIS.After Kurds fought ISIS they now have to fight ISIS supporters.
mobbatbarnmedautomatvapen
And my beloved country sells him the tools to do it. Good going Sweden!
nxrble
Be real; he pointed at the lack of reaction to the Turkish genocide of Armenians as the go-ahead for the Final Solution
TheWombatStrikesAgain
And Erdogan cited Hitlers rise to power as a model for how to restructure the turkish state and the power of the president.
nxrble
It’s horrors all the way down
RootEnoch
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Fawlty Towers, a must watch
Imroy
*Fatty owls
RootEnoch
Watery fowls
IntrovertFriendly
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TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
Erdogan - or, as we call him here, Döner Hitler
nonCanadianGoose
Ironically, it was the Turks who inspired Hitler to think he could do it
ochermes28
Doubtful. Hitler was fully committed to ridding Germany of Jews when he wrote Mein Kampf in 1925.
nonCanadianGoose
There one of Hitlers speeches where he sites how insignificant the Armenian genocide was & how it means the holocaust will be forgotten too
ochermes28
He deceived himself as well as attempting to deceive the German people. Eisenhower forced Germans to walk thru the camps post WW2.
nonCanadianGoose
Yet ppl rarely speak of the Armenian genocide. For many, the Kardashians are all they know of it
Arcian
The Armenian Genocide took place between 1915 and 1917, quite a few years before Hitler wrote Mein Kampf.
ochermes28
I understand that. However Hitler didn’t make his statement about the Armenians until 1939: https://www.armenian-genocide.org/hitler.html
PhilDimeRexVinnie
Is this the reason why so many Turks enjoy living in Germany?
Nilson1000
Nope. Around 65% of Turks here hin Germany voted for Erdogan in last election. More than he got in Turkey. So even more patriotic.
Cranbananarama
I don't keep up with every conflict. Why do they all hate the Kurds?
VoidofLostKnowledge
Speaking as a Brit, I don't think we, the French, New Zealand, Australia or Canada want another Gallipoli campaign. Happy warmongering.
Choman82
But Turks do want that, trust me mate. Sooner or later, they haven't forgotten that war and feeling for revenge won't let them sleep.
VoidofLostKnowledge
They won Gallipoli and gained their Republic soon after. Why do they want revenge?
ochermes28
They had to evacuate the ANZAC French and British forces at Gallipoli after 142,000 were killed or wounded. Hardly a win.
MrRandom314159
I feel like we need a full post on EVERYTHING 45 has fucked up royally. It's so hard to keep track of everything but the major stuff.
rigello
It's not just Erdogan. It's Turkey. Undeniable track record.
NiteRhys
Idk why y'all are surprised. The Turkish military literally attempted a coup to keep this guy from staying in power and y'all supported him
NiggikamEnkiA
Poor Kurds...so loyal and compromised with democracy and sold vilely by Trumpland. Wake up Americans.
schocker28
Why isn't anyone in the EU helping them?
rando84
It’s a bit hard when the US green lights the invasion and the Turks move in within 24 hours.
Choman82
They do, so many of them have done so. Directly, or indirectly like France and Germany. They were the first to come our aid in the 1/
Choman82
battles against ISIS in both parts of the region (south and west). And two years ago against Iraqi central government. 2/end
brassmule
Turkey is a NATO member. Many Kurds live in Turkey. It's the YPG that Turkey dislikes, but Erdogan's goal is a larger caliphate.
NiggikamEnkiA
Germany is trying to force Erdogan.
WaitedBandito
Ypg is with pkk wich is a terrorist worker group. Whom terrorise the turks.
schlummi
You can't blame one side in such conflicts. Turkey has leveled kurdish cities to the ground, that's far from innocent.
FourLegsGood
Terrorist worker group...
LaoBeifong
Well yeah they’re a communist group that has long committed terrorist attacks against Turkey, but Erdogan is now a dictator / Islamo-fascist
FourLegsGood
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Workers need to be emancipated.
LaoBeifong
Lol ok Karl calm down
LaoBeifong
So I’m not really sure who to back anymore
brassmule
Exactly. But it's Trump's fault for not wanting to be involved in this mess. He put Turkey on notice: they're a NATO member and should not
brassmule
pull this kind of crap, but Erdogan is a dictator so he doesn't care. NATO will not denounce him,UN will not step up. But it's Trump's fault
robnes
PKK is fighting Turkish terror. Many states do not classify the PKK as a terrorist organization. The PKK has long been an ally for the US
WaitedBandito
Ok 1/3 is too mich i mean like 1/4 or 1/5 of the world
BigOunce92
You sound like a butthurt kurd.
WaitedBandito
Ha than why is the un telling that pkk are terrorists? Explain that?
robnes
They did not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party
WaitedBandito
Than i need to check my facst :S
WaitedBandito
That means that the european the turks the usa Seas the pkk as terrorists so at least 1/3 of the world seas pkk as terrorists
WaitedBandito
Deutschland als terroristische Vereinigung eingestuft.
WaitedBandito
Die Organisation und ihre Nachfolger werden unter anderem von der Türkei, der Europäischen Union (seit 2002), den Vereinigten Staaten und
annoyedOnion
Off point but why is Hitler always the bad example when others have killed more?
PooPculture
Because Hitler, you may recall, was still a pretty bad guy.
Averien
Because we have footage of the Holocaust, and because Germany was supposedly an enlightened nation.
eggmuffin
It's not about bodycount.
Cythert
If you exclude body count then history is full of far worse. The truly horrific thing when it comes to hitler was his effectiveness.
eggmuffin
It's about the danger he represents. He spent a decade undermining the democratic process prior to his election.
eggmuffin
The gradual rise of violence, propaganda, misinformation and the power of the Nazi party was slow, at first. The events teach us lessons.
eggmuffin
Thus, the man overseeing it all became a symbol of the threat that nationalism and xenophobia poses to democracy and to humanity.
superseriouscomments
Apparently because he didn't engineer a famine but killed people directly.
MissPepperfingers
King leopold ||
Nuttsy
Even Leo was in it for the money.
Cythert
Because he has become a cultural symbol if a perceived evil.
ForlornFennec
Others tended to just kill off heaps of their own populace, rather than going after someone else's.
RicketyRicketyRektSon
I know right, like Stalin and Mao were arguably far worse
Nuttsy
Even if you play Genocide Olympics*, no. Two did shitty shit that kept them the shit. Adolf started out with "Let's go on a murder spree!"
Nuttsy
*And don't. Just fucking don't.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
He was super popular
jrntn
One factor is that it matters how those killings took place, and why. The holocaust is a well-documented example of everything we find evil
lovelyboredom
Cause he went after other countries and didn't just kill his own people. Eddie Izzard explains it well.
FourLegsGood
Hey, the US kills its own people and I care.
superseriouscomments
The US also kills people in other countries.
KingBanana8008
Others killed people as a by-product of ambitions e.g. Stalin. Hitler chose to kill people for the sole reason that he didn’t like them.
Cythert
Well no, he killed them precisely because he didn’t see them as people.
superseriouscomments
You could argue he killed them to get Lebensraum.
ObliqueRay
Because people don't sit down and think, they just go with the flow. Because people are intellectually lazy.
ochermes28
He doesn’t look much like Mao or Stalin and Turkey is not a Marxist State.
manamongstyou
Might have something to do with WW2. I think only like 3% of the global population died in it.
HULKSMASHMOUTH
Seriously. Not everyone can be Hitler. Can't someone be "The Yoko Ono of the steppe"?
Buy1Get1Free
So long as you are killing your own people, no one cares.
PooPculture
He started World War II which was by far the deadliest war in human history, arguably linked to more deaths than any human.
Arcian
Because with Hitler, the killing was the end goal, not a byproduct of political and economic incompetence.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Stop with this relativistic bullshit. Hitler was not only a mass murderer, the nazi regime was a monster even without the deaths.
IfGarmWasACat
Exactly, and they forget that hitler was in power for a decade when stalin and mao were in power for 30 years.
sumatranfreeman
So was each and everyone of those tyrants, but with more so much more deaths
annoyedOnion
Don't get me wrong Hitler can gfhs but so can all the other mass murderers
Spevvo
I think that is, because during WW2 he was portrayed as 'Evil' against the 'Good' ( the allies and Russia) and that just stuck.
Winndypops
Yeah, if we go too hard making Stalin out to be evil, which he certainly was, it makes us look bad for allying with him.
DoktorPsycho
Mostly due to the circumstances and the way the genocide was committed. While other countries commited mass murder/genocide themselves 1/2
DoktorPsycho
The industrialization of genocide was what made the nazis appear more brutal than all the others.
mormacil
Excellent point though they weren't the first in widespread systemic genocide, merely industrialized it.
NicolaVison
Because most of the death attributed to soviet regimes where not intentional, but simply the result of bad policy, and were spread out over1
NicolaVison
Various decades. Famines are the norm in pre-industrialized societies, and the soviets and the chinese failed to properly manage their 2/
NicolaVison
Industrialization proces. The holocaust was not an accident, it was the whole point of nazism
Sneaky1690
Rather than politics, bad agriculture, or being "enemies of the state", Hitler went after ppl for how they were born not who they became.
CondescendingCunt
Because the motivation behind the killings was particularly vile in the case of Hitler.
Cythert
He was just a particularly recent example. Look to history and you will find arguably worse motivations, just less effective.
TheNamesTophBeiFongSoGetMeOnThatFerry
What would some of those worse ones be?
Cythert
Genghis Khan stands out. He was quite a nasty fellow.
TheOneFeynman
China & Russia get mad when you talk about Mao & Stalin each murdering way more than Hitler. The Nazis lost though, so Hitler is fair game.
Cythert
History is written by the victors, eh?
Grizy
Stalin.. Didn't win
demetror
well stalin lost too :x
LMEPHISTO
The Turkish history is filled with genocides attrocities and attacks on weakened countries and minorities!
SenadEmi
who cares every one is doing this
DocHerb87
Don’t let Ana Kasparian of the Young Turks know...she’ll start dropping f bombs on you like the classy lady she is. ?
hw97karbine
As far back as 1565
greysonhackett127001
Human history... every culture has done this, Americans, Germans, Romans Egyptians(ancient), etc.
juzzfuzz
Damn it's like a game of CIV isn't actually as unrealistic as I thought
CitizenBrouhaha
So same as USA ?
Putyourindexfingerandyourthumbtogether
And kebab
bobsvagenecatsdogsredheadscosplaypuffins
Tweeted to official government of Turkey.
Otaku4ever
When I think about each genocide against minorities/religion/country/culture/random civilians...
QuillardvanWine
What a match!
Aussiearef
So is the British, Spanish and American history
LMEPHISTO
Doesnt mean we need to continue the past mistakes. I thought we learn through our mistakes and not to repeat them. I was obviousdly wrong!
bigdog838
As a romanian, can confirm!
HarbingerOfThis
To be fair, so is almost every other country's of any power. Not an excuse though! Also, eg. Europe all but stopped that ½ a decade ago.
ochermes28
Talk to an Armenian about that.
vorodar
Is "½ a decade" really easier to write than "5 years"?
HarbingerOfThis
Dang... meant half a century... All that shit at the ending of European colonialism.
IDontSpeakInternet
Yeah, no. Turkey refuses to acknowledge the Armenian genocide and continues to be an ethnically divisive country. They kill their own.
ilovecake
My great-grandfather was Armenian, and his parents fled to America to escape the Genocide. Growing up I heard the tales. Fuck Turkey.
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ilovecake
You need to learn how to read. FLED. Not flew.
Neeeeep
Similar to me - my grandparents fled to Iran and Iraq, then India where my parents were born, then they came to the UK, where I was born
VoidofLostKnowledge
I think you're trying to say 'Deus vult let us retake Anatolia and birth the Byzantine Empire anew'
MonsieurLeMoustache
fun fact : they used the kurds to perpetrate the armenian genocide
ElChupaNuggra
Yes, they have their own attrocities to answer for, but the people dying now are not the one's who did it, they've grown and become a 1/?
ElChupaNuggra
better people who do not deserve to be annihilated for the crimes of their forbears, they still owe a debt, but letting Turkey get away 2/?
ElChupaNuggra
with killing them without consequence is NOT the punishment they deserve. 3/3
tred1975
your fact isnt fun at all
HoldThisThread
They should have used glitter
CondescendingCunt
That wasn't very fun.
Asadsadsadclown
FunTurkish"Fact": the Armenian what now?
NotVerySympathetic
From what I've heard, the Turks used to kill Armenian babies and probably everyone else. They refuse to acknowledge it to this day.
dingofdong
Yeah, I think that was the joke
Asadsadsadclown
talos2
DocHerb87
Chunk is such a POS.
Dalael
Cenk came out against his own paper multiple times, admitting it wad wrong and stupid of him.
BlackHartMTB
He’s pulling a “bad actors on both sides” with the Turkish invasion right now though.
FourLegsGood
The one that never happened? That's odd.
NotVerySympathetic
Lol
DaftKid
All of which they still deny, which is even more heinous.
Queen10
This exactly! Greece was under Ottoman rule for 400 years but they still like to pretend that it never happened...
LMEPHISTO
i dont think they pretend anything, in fact they celebrate every year their effort and sacrifices to become free again.
AnActualFuckingWarAxe
He meant that the Turks pretend that they never ruled over Greece. Us in Greece do indeed celebrate and honour the men who died to free us.
LMEPHISTO
oh sorry i thought he meant the Greeks pretended!
LMEPHISTO
oh sorry i thought he meant the Greeks pretended!
FourLegsGood
Ideal allies for the US then.
IAmAngry
EU is so afraid of refugees that are currently in Turkey - they allow Erdogan to do what ever he wants + Trump is a potz!
tiramigiu
yeah if europe just moved into the kurdish controlled area then shipped back the refugees to the newly cleared space. Ta-da solution.
IAmAngry
I am sorry to say it ,but it's true - Europe forgot how to fight without US soldiers
FourLegsGood
Fight who?
LMEPHISTO
The paradox here is that the Kurds are the allies of the US, that helped against the ISIS. Or so they said, at the end they deserted them!
trowavo
you know vietnam as similar. in that the vietnamese helped the allies against the japanese during ww2. After the ww2 viet wanted their >>
trowavo
independent. US just didn't want to get involve because France was its allies. So the Viet turn to the soviets for military assistance. >>
trowavo
The Kurds will turn to someone. they're not going to just lay down and die. I wonder what super power will get involve
Asadachi
don't forget to thank Trump for opening up the gates to massacre
eviedigital
Excactly.
fake40nedeso
But he highly condemned the Turks how could anyone have known!?!
desolatorx
People downvoting this like it didn't happen. I guess that's one form of support.
Nakahana
This is why you don't elect TV personalities/businessmen to run a country.
fbutt09
Failed businessman - used family wealth and trots around like he’s self made.
Grizy
He was literally a cunt in his normal walking life before being president. I mean i just don't know anymore. Feels better to just die off.
ilovecake
I didn’t vote for his ass and neither did my state.
iusedtodream
*psychopaths
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SexualChocolates
Don’t insult garbage like that, it has feelings too
OneSkunkTale
Well there goes 75% of congress.
OneSkunkTale
Well, i dont think its just us that can stop it. Turkey is a part of NATO. What if, now itll get complicated, OTHER countries stepped up?
manamongstyou
How about we not abandon our allies to slaughter before that. Thousand of ISIS are being freed. Thats no issue for tho amirite?
ElChupaNuggra
Other countries weren't allied with the Kurds, Other countries didn't convince them to dismantle their border defenses to focus their 1/?
ElChupaNuggra
efforts on hunting ISIS on the PROMISE they'd hold the line to prevent Turkish Incursions, Other countries didn't wait for that to 2/?
ElChupaNuggra
happen and then pull out their protesting Military and leave the Turkish President a fucking phone call to let him know the 'door was 3/?
ElChupaNuggra
now open'!! Yes, we'll ALL gladly step up to fight back against Turkey, but let's not act like it wasn't ENTIRELY Cheeto Presidente who 4/?
obviouslytom
Right, because the US is capable of stopping fighting that's been going on for hundreds of years.
Howbowdaht
I see you've read the playbook without questioning the argument. They could have prevented this. Not stopped it. No notice to allies on the
Howbowdaht
Wirhdrawl and displacing 100k people in 24 hours. Usa could have prevented this. Try understanding the sit instead of repeating the playbook
ILikeSmellingMyOwnFarts
Everytime US should intervene, they don't and vice versa. This time Trump abandoned allies and left them to die just to suck Erdogan's dick
OneSkunkTale
Psst. Turkey is our ally
StudioDerpster
Yeah, maybe we should reconsider. They only recently got their soon to be complete dictator.
Nakahana
Well, I mean, this started because we pulled out of there
zapbranagan
You think this region’s history started in the 1990s?
Nakahana
He didn't asked if we started it, he asked if we're capable of stopping it. Going with they held off the invasion while we were there, yes.
notahero1
But then we would've been in Iraq even longer with the world getting even more jaded at the US.
LaoBeifong
Normally I’m all for pulling out but....
nipplefart
That's not a very manly thing to do is it, pull out? You've got to stay in there and keep fucking them 'till they're all goddamn dead.
W4fflem4n
And we went there under a republican president who was called a murderer and the new Hitler. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Nakahana
This who Republican/Democrat us vs them mentality is what's wrong with the system. Vote for the person whether they're a good fit, not what
Nakahana
Side they're on. I'm more left leaning, but I dont let that cloud my judgment. Ted Cruz, dont like him most of the time. But props to him
jimmyhowlett
Why didn't turkey invade it when the US was there?
apytcypher0
Military Kyle forces!
StudioDerpster
Because if they kill any US troops, they are in serious shit.
EdwardStarsmith
It was stopped. We pulled out and it started. We must have had something to do with it.
obviouslytom
No, it was delayed. Big difference.
EdwardStarsmith
It wasn't happening. Ergo, it was stopped.
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VoidofLostKnowledge
So you want the US to go to war with Turkey?
napoleonsghost
The orange man bad club just blame Trump for every bad thing that happens no matter how removed he is. They still believe in the Russia hoax
napoleonsghost
They are people of low or limited intelligence that have been brainwashed to tow the democrat/media narrative.
StudioDerpster
And how do you know "The Truth"? Did the dear leader let you in on it? The man is a proven liar.
newsguycraigevans
Found the Russian propaganda operative!
colonelgandalf
igoslow
who said anything about war? oh wait you did, you took it to that extreme.
VoidofLostKnowledge
You want to drone strike Turkish troops without declaring war as has been the case quite often with other nations these past few years?
VoidofLostKnowledge
What part of 'military interventionism in a nation without that nations permission to attack another state to defend Kurds' isn't a war?
elcee50
The Turks didn't invade until we pulled out the handful of troops we had there. That's literally the point of this.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Troops stationed in Syria without permission of the Syrian government. How long did you want to keep them there?
wiltsjunk
Nice try. Even GOP congressmen and senators are furious about what Trump did. Lindsay Graham is his biggest supporter & ripped him for it
VoidofLostKnowledge
I expect the GOP to be the warmongers. What the hell happened to the left?
scJazz
The Orange Man did it so the Left is in favor of armed endless conflict and illegally occupying a nation this time.
wiltsjunk
Obviously they're furious too
igoslow
well personally i’m more of a centralist, but in my this reality i’m labeled a liberal socialist snowflake. so you tell me? i’m clueless
OneSkunkTale
Oh the grand irony. Thats what happens when instead of sticking to your own principles you rely on attacking others'.
schlummi
It would've helped to simply not withdrew US troops. Turkey would've never attacked then. That turkey is having a "complicated" relationship
napoleonsghost
Do you know how many troops he moved? About 100. What magic would have stopped the Turks from invading? You fucking people...
schlummi
Tiurkey would not have bombed US soldiers. US troops would not have been able to stop a turkish invasion, but turkey could not invade
schlummi
without (maybe even accidentally) killing US troops. So an invasion wasn't possible for turkey, as long as US soldiers could get hit.
schlummi
with kurds know 4th graders: https://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_large/public/images/DSC_0021.JPG?itok=BQilAEio
schlummi
That's btw. a kurdish town in turkey, after 70% of it got destroyed by turkish army (in 2016). If you do this to your own people....
VoidofLostKnowledge
You can't keep troops deployed overseas indefinitely in a nation that never gave permission for them to be there in the first place
schlummi
Right, but you can wait for a good moment to withdrew - or choose the wrong timing. You can help to withdrew allies - and maybe even grant
schlummi
them asylum. Or you can say "fuck you" as the US did. Kurds knew this: "kurds have no friends, but the mountains". Afaik has the US betrayed