The sad thing is that this will change absolutely nothing and a lot of other people are now out of a job. Very tough out there to be out of work right now.
If a reporter has stones and brains, 'Are your investors worried your insurance rates might increase if you continue to refuse to pay your workers livable wages?' with their financial reports they provide investors on hand.
Im glad that corporations and rich people get a couple more signs. The waste and environmental impact is not so great. Maybe we should get back to discussing more environmentally friendly options like eating or Kirk‘Ing them
Yes they did, acted like a metal fire ring on a concrete pad. Paper toilet has a relatively low ignition point, the plastic wrap burns faster and hotter (petroleum based), but the firefighters were initially able to enter until it became too hot and fought it from the outside. All the same, you're right, they did their job of containment.
Now imagine if this happened during the very beginning of COVID in America over 6 years ago. And I mean that first week when people were buying up toilet paper thinking we'll have the shits instead of suffocating.
This is great and all, but lets not make fire the means of sticking it to corpos. Why? Fires are very hard to contain even if you know what you're doing. The blaze could endanger innocent people, the firefighters who need to out it down, and it pollutes the environment which could endanger wildlife. This fire was lucky and was contained within the warehouse and no one got hurt. But we got LUCKY with this, don't expect a large fire to do what you want and only what you want again.
Warehouse fires hardly ever spread since the air being pushed in by the hot air rising cools the walls and keeps it from crossing the warehouse walls generally. Unless the warehouse joins to another building they don't tend to be dangerous to firefighters. It's also pretty easy to evacuate employees because of how tall they are giving the initial smoke a place to go for a long time after fire alarms go off.
What has happened is during the 1980s the production of a single worker was divorced from what their wages were, if that combination would have stayed together the average wage would be somewhere in the $50 an hour. We let companies offshore, stock buybacks, and write off instead of investing in the workers who make the company money.
Ahh yes, the Average wage. Guys on the line are probably on $15 or something and supervisors on $20, but the regional manager is on two million a year, really seems fair and equitable and just...
The average wage at the warehouse I worked at was $27/hour. I was the highest paid guy on the floor as the warehouse supervisor one step down from the operations manager. I made $22/hour. Also if you think $29/hour is good pay for California I got news for you. With the average rent being $2,400/month that means, after taxes and figuring a 40 hour week, rent alone takes up 66% of your monthly pay. HUD recommends no more than 30% of your pay go to rent.
To expand on why the warehouse average was so high is it counted management, customer service reps, and regional manager pay in the total pay for the warehouse. Our 3 regional managers that we only saw when they were mad made over $120/year and the ops manager made $60k. Starting wage was $17.50/hour and average dock worker pay was $19.
You know what's interesting? Back in 1998 my first "real" job was at a gas station where I made 5.50 an hour. Gas was 89 cents a gallon. I could buy about 6.17 gallons of gas for an hour of work. Now gas is what, 4 bucks? 20 dollars an hour now buys less than 5.50 did then.
The ability of some people to convince themselves that your employer doesn't have a choice how much they pay you astonishes me, and yet it seems to be the default belief
There have been a lot of historical cases of people taking actions to be put in prison solely because they receive regular food and clothing. Usually excons who are refused jobs after release from prison time served for extremely minor crimes
It's almost unconsciable how hard ex-cons have it in regards to re-intigrating. Like... Didn't their punishment act as a way to rehabilitate them into acknowledging what they did was wrong, and growing past it?
Oh, it was just free labor for various menial tasks that could have been automated in machining factories?
I'd th8nk long and hard before deciding the correct way to invoke political change is "light shit on fire".
Seriously: if you don't think you are making enough money, find a better job. Or quit. Or organize a union, and picket. These all can be effective. You know what is *never* effective and just makes it worse? Lighting shit on fire. That's what a psychopath does.
If that is what you believe you, didn’t pay attention in history. Why are there so many goddamn stupid fucks alive? Anyway, the reason you have ANY PTO in this country is because in 1930 American factory workers destroyed automobile assembly lines. Factory owners called the police who turned around and killed the workers while they were on strike, which made the problem worse. Dutch workers threw their wooden shoes called “sabot” into machines causing them to breaks down.. it’s how sabotage came
WorkerS. Plural. Mass protests and strikes. Broken windows. Equipment damaged - not product.
One solo asshole goes to jail.
70% of the workforce picketing evokes change.
This isn't some magic spell where you break things and suddenly the CEO sees the light. You need to convince management they are dealing with workers as a collective - and this doesn't. All it did is put his co-workers out of a job. You can't work at a burnt warehouse.
roughingupthesuspect
T.P. Magione
Zatagedwe11
Sooooo during Covid these fucks fucked are asses all the time knowing there was a surplus of tee pee?!
DevilsAdvocat
been spending most our lives living in a charmin paradise
Ein0r
At least three trees worth of single ply tp.
ZaphodBbx
Flushed right down the toilet...well...sort of...
RadicalLiberal
Ain't that the shit.
SilverFoxChaser
Looks like they have a whole other warehouse to learn their lesson.
jondru
Every time I see this reported I can't help but wonder did this place not have a sprinkler system? If not, why the hell not?
Myballzzich
The sad thing is that this will change absolutely nothing and a lot of other people are now out of a job. Very tough out there to be out of work right now.
TupacAintDead
Should have done it to the CEO’s house.
509tigerfish
any suggestions?
UnlimitedTrickPony
should have built the rest of the warehouse out of the same material the walls are made of
Nukls
anjeleyezjr
Cue 2020esque toilet paper hoarding.
Level21Magikarp
If a reporter has stones and brains, 'Are your investors worried your insurance rates might increase if you continue to refuse to pay your workers livable wages?' with their financial reports they provide investors on hand.
makeamericasmartagain9000
Im glad that corporations and rich people get a couple more signs. The waste and environmental impact is not so great. Maybe we should get back to discussing more environmentally friendly options like eating or Kirk‘Ing them
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
Carlie KKKrik was "proven wrong" ... by a LONG SHOT.
He was shot by a Time Traveller from the future, in a 'Kill Baby Hitler' operation.
datphone777365
"Fuck you, pay me".
IlluminaBlade
Lets see if their employers have enough neurons to just pay the displaced employees instead of laying them off and proving the guys point.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
The walls contained it surprisingly well
spittleteets
Yes they did, acted like a metal fire ring on a concrete pad. Paper toilet has a relatively low ignition point, the plastic wrap burns faster and hotter (petroleum based), but the firefighters were initially able to enter until it became too hot and fought it from the outside. All the same, you're right, they did their job of containment.
livinglife9009
Now imagine if this happened during the very beginning of COVID in America over 6 years ago. And I mean that first week when people were buying up toilet paper thinking we'll have the shits instead of suffocating.
KAPTKipper
The company would be more than happy, prices would surge and the insurance would be better.
spattr
Wiped out
CardeasIV
Dont shit on the tragic loss of money
Unindoctrinated
I would like to hope this will inspire others, but I suspect it won't. Luigi didn't.
chrishallett83
Lmao no, a couple of million in toilet paper tops, the rest is the cost of the warehouse.
shalafi71
If that. An entire Lowe's only holds $10M-$12M in inventory.
chrishallett83
I'm not sure you understand just how big that warehouse is. I was guesstimating production cost, not retail price.
Hatsodoom
This is great and all, but lets not make fire the means of sticking it to corpos. Why? Fires are very hard to contain even if you know what you're doing. The blaze could endanger innocent people, the firefighters who need to out it down, and it pollutes the environment which could endanger wildlife. This fire was lucky and was contained within the warehouse and no one got hurt. But we got LUCKY with this, don't expect a large fire to do what you want and only what you want again.
Dyamonde
What's your alternative then?
MinisterCross
Infrastructure sabotage, perhaps. Slashed tires, broken water pipes (tis tp ater all), barricades, properly organized mass theft, idk.
kahlas
Warehouse fires hardly ever spread since the air being pushed in by the hot air rising cools the walls and keeps it from crossing the warehouse walls generally. Unless the warehouse joins to another building they don't tend to be dangerous to firefighters. It's also pretty easy to evacuate employees because of how tall they are giving the initial smoke a place to go for a long time after fire alarms go off.
Hatsodoom
No matter the fire, there's always a risk of injury to firefighters.
Hekatombe
https://abc7.com/post/ontario-warehouse-fire-suspect-charged-several-counts-felony-arson/18862581/
dopaminelever
Why don’t they name the company that owns/leases/operates out of the building? Does Jeff Bezos own that media outlet too?
Hekatombe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly-Clark
dopaminelever
Oh whoops, thanks for that
ElroydIsGone
Wherehouse?
FancypantsMcGill
Gonehouse
samwyze
There house. There smoldering wreckage.
ElroydIsGone
Werehouse... :-(
brinkington
Why are you talking like that?
FancypantsMcGill
why are you not?
FluidExchangeProgram
Looks like the average wage is between $20 and $29 an hour. That’s better than most minimum wage jobs.
Jamesstin
No laborer there is making $29 an hour. Or close to that.
jakedafish
In California that’s poverty pay.
Timberwolves4ever
This isn’t a good wage.
danicalifornia505365
What has happened is during the 1980s the production of a single worker was divorced from what their wages were, if that combination would have stayed together the average wage would be somewhere in the $50 an hour. We let companies offshore, stock buybacks, and write off instead of investing in the workers who make the company money.
chrishallett83
Ahh yes, the Average wage. Guys on the line are probably on $15 or something and supervisors on $20, but the regional manager is on two million a year, really seems fair and equitable and just...
forelle
The average of four people earning 1$ and another earning 96$ is also 20$. Just saying.
dopaminelever
Are you familiar with working conditions at the largest online retailer?
kahlas
NFI isn't an online retailer. They are a 3rd party logistics company. Think trucking, warehousing, and last mile service.
kahlas
The average wage at the warehouse I worked at was $27/hour. I was the highest paid guy on the floor as the warehouse supervisor one step down from the operations manager. I made $22/hour. Also if you think $29/hour is good pay for California I got news for you. With the average rent being $2,400/month that means, after taxes and figuring a 40 hour week, rent alone takes up 66% of your monthly pay. HUD recommends no more than 30% of your pay go to rent.
kahlas
To expand on why the warehouse average was so high is it counted management, customer service reps, and regional manager pay in the total pay for the warehouse. Our 3 regional managers that we only saw when they were mad made over $120/year and the ops manager made $60k. Starting wage was $17.50/hour and average dock worker pay was $19.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
You know what's interesting? Back in 1998 my first "real" job was at a gas station where I made 5.50 an hour. Gas was 89 cents a gallon. I could buy about 6.17 gallons of gas for an hour of work. Now gas is what, 4 bucks? 20 dollars an hour now buys less than 5.50 did then.
FluidExchangeProgram
That doesn’t sound like a problem caused by the employer.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Yes. It is. It... vehemently is. What?
69thStPepper
The ability of some people to convince themselves that your employer doesn't have a choice how much they pay you astonishes me, and yet it seems to be the default belief
spittleteets
It's an accumulative effect of a systemic phenomena in which labor is no longer being compensated proportionally to corporate profit.
Randomice
"All you had to do is pay me enough to live on."
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
I mean ... dude will now receive free room and board, with 3 meals a day, for the forseeable future.
FunctioningWorkaholic
And unlimited toilet paper!
DorkJedi
you would think, but no. VERY limited toilet paper.
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SeasonCat
There have been a lot of historical cases of people taking actions to be put in prison solely because they receive regular food and clothing. Usually excons who are refused jobs after release from prison time served for extremely minor crimes
Leucienweaver
It's almost unconsciable how hard ex-cons have it in regards to re-intigrating. Like... Didn't their punishment act as a way to rehabilitate them into acknowledging what they did was wrong, and growing past it?
Oh, it was just free labor for various menial tasks that could have been automated in machining factories?
WhyDontYouMakeMe
What's it called when the jury thinks the person is guilty, but also that they didn't commit a crime?
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
I think they call that "SCOTUS v POTUS47"
fillerbunny9
I believe you’re thinking of Jury nullification.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Yes! Thank you
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
a.k.a. "perverse verdict"
evilspock
I'd th8nk long and hard before deciding the correct way to invoke political change is "light shit on fire".
Seriously: if you don't think you are making enough money, find a better job. Or quit. Or organize a union, and picket. These all can be effective. You know what is *never* effective and just makes it worse? Lighting shit on fire. That's what a psychopath does.
DorkJedi
fuck off bootlicker. When legal recourse has been made impossible, violence is inevitable.
evilspock
You can quit.
Blocking you now, shithead.
justadude41123
If that is what you believe you, didn’t pay attention in history. Why are there so many goddamn stupid fucks alive? Anyway, the reason you have ANY PTO in this country is because in 1930 American factory workers destroyed automobile assembly lines. Factory owners called the police who turned around and killed the workers while they were on strike, which made the problem worse. Dutch workers threw their wooden shoes called “sabot” into machines causing them to breaks down.. it’s how sabotage came
evilspock
WorkerS. Plural. Mass protests and strikes. Broken windows. Equipment damaged - not product.
One solo asshole goes to jail.
70% of the workforce picketing evokes change.
This isn't some magic spell where you break things and suddenly the CEO sees the light. You need to convince management they are dealing with workers as a collective - and this doesn't. All it did is put his co-workers out of a job. You can't work at a burnt warehouse.