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Yesterday´s was a good debate
Doesn´t matter if it was Trump who said that, but you can´t compare Alabama with New York. 15$/Hour is very good in some states and crap in others.
VitaminT
A federal minimum stops states from fucking you with a lower wage. Then you can move out of that shitty state that was fucking you.
MoonMoon89
He will say whatever he thinks will play well to the crowd. If he hasn't done anything about it, then don't expect him to in the future.
TitoAndy
I am happy to agree with you.
BJA007
Very true.
Randomice
The government could describe and define 'living wage' and then demand that as minimum wage. Leaving the rest up to the states.
sleepinggreenidea
In theory, that's exactly what the federal minimum wage is. States can and do legislate higher state minimums, or even local ones.
GroovyCrowley
Well that sounds like a good idea, but the result will be that even more people will travel to the places where they earn better money.
Chereazi
Translation: "I'm not gonna do jack shit"
TheTripleLindy
And there’s nothing stopping him from forgetting about it 10 minutes later lol
yikesaroni
many economists agree federal min wage should be $11. sure it'd be great to leave it up to states but some states are heartless & bad HDI
MagicalHamFlaps
example Florida, minimum wage is just north of federal requirement because lawmakers say no state tax so it is fine
yikesaroni
US map of Human Development Index
bluer states are in desperate need of higher min wage, have higher poverty
arcgap
It should be set and indexed to inflation but that would spoil the political uses for all involved
crateo
Well, then it is a good thing you can vote the governor out, right?. It is a way of making them accountable of their decisions.
sleepinggreenidea
The governor? What is wrong with you autocrats? Min wage is a function of the legislatures.
crateo
I'm not murrican. I thought the governor can propose such changes to the legislature
CusCus1
So essentially state scrip. Yeah no.
brassfist
Chain stores charge the same no matter the location. I'm all for a flat minimum wage.
arcgap
no they don't
TAYLORSWlFT
Not even close to true. https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/mortgages/quarter-pounder-index-most-least-expensive-cities/
AllGloryToTheDarkLord
Should be clear, Trump accidentally touching on the concept that cost of living differs from state to state, does not make the $15/hour movement of 2009 any less critical, as even then, it was a decade too late. We should also note, its NOW 15yrs later & its only now getting widely adopted, except now, in 2024, $15/hr isnt a living wage in ANY of the 50 states, inflation has artificially gone up to keep up with corporate year-over-year record-breaking-profits
FraudulentPepsi
A state shouldn't be allowed to set their minimum wage to $1, or remove it entirely.
jesophat
They currently cant. Fed min is 7.25, states can set higher amounts though
nopost
Aaaaaaand that's the point that OP and Trump both missed. Federal min wage exists, but individual states *can* set it higher if needed
FraudulentPepsi
Lol, yes, and the federal minimum doesn't work anywhere anymore, so it should be raised. If states want to set theirs higher they can.
NoItsATideUsername
It should be determined by type of business. No publicly traded business should have a minimum wage under $15/hour.
Burylown
The prices of things remain the same regardless of minimum wage. WA state has one of the highest with a really low cost of living. It's nice
LtGenObvious
Yeah. Except nothing stops states from having their own, higher minimum wages. The federal minimum wage is a floor, not a ceiling.
Mydogismybestman
This is an informed rebuttal.
AllGloryToTheDarkLord
The floor needed to be doubled 20 years ago.
EvillBob
Not "except", "and". This isn't conflicting information, this is additional supportive information.
OptimusPlatypus
This ^
ThatsMyHorse
Yeah, NY minimum wage should have no bearing on Alabama's. AL should be thrilled and NY should push for more
azazyel
Or even cities, Seattle is up to $15 an hour.
AllGloryToTheDarkLord
Seattle was up to 15 in 2012. Its now a decade later, and cost of living went from my 1 bedroom apt being $600 to now $2400, with no change in services, id move, but i cant find anything for under $2500 in my local work distance.
You know what hasnt gone up 400% since 2012? My wages.
azazyel
Have you tried Northgate? Lots of apartments being built and my rent hasn't gone up much.
Easykehl
Easykehl
cause those on min wage to earn a smaller fraction of GDP as productivity increases. At a minimum, the federal min wage should keep (2/?)
Easykehl
keep pace with inflation, and cities or countries with high cost of living should institute higher min wages. (In my opinion)
TheCacklingJackal
There's federal minimum wage AND state minimum wage. Federal should be what you need to live on average and state cannot be lower.
Wolfmom2020
Minimum wage was first implemented to hurt minorities. People need to unionize and take charge ?
TheCacklingJackal
Unions would certainly help too. Government and collective bargaining can protect citizens simultaneously.
CuttleFishOfCthulu
This is about raising the FEDERAL minimum wage. MINIMUM. And there are states and even different cities that have raised it on their own>
CuttleFishOfCthulu
< to accomodate cost of living. Some of it is a drop in the bucket but its far better than the $7.50 currently held at the federal level.
thesupersonic
Or make the federal minimum wage be reflective of a livable wage that adujiste to cost of living in the area and gets raised annually...
thesupersonic
...to stay in line with inflation.
sleepinggreenidea
Honestly, just make it reflect a national median living wage. State and local gov'ts can and do set higher mins in their jurisdictions.
smax410
@op While true, states have varying degrees of this too. Like California, there’s places where 15 is awesome, it doesn’t get shit in San 1/2
smax410
Fran. And while states should mandate a minimum living wage, they don’t, so I’d rather the fed step in to address what they won’t, even 1/2
smax410
If it’s not perfect. 3/3
sleepinggreenidea
States DO mandate minimum wages. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/minimum-wage/state (Some municipalities do too)
sleepinggreenidea
(Fed minimum wage is just a floor to ensure that no state completely caves to business interests.)
FuckmotheringxVampire
Define "very good", what does $31,200 get you in Alabama?
arcgap
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3405-Landline-Rd-Selma-AL-36701/109333936_zpid/
lu5t
Looks like some giant houses for under 200k, that would be affordable with 31.2k/yr after some saving. Even better with a roomate (1/2)
lu5t
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/485-Israel-Rd-Haleyville-AL-35565/104507223_zpid/ (2/2)
BrickShakes
A house, terrible neighbors, crap healthcare and lots of space to do country stuff.
HankProPainHill
I liked that part. I hated when he walked it back immediately and turned this good answer into a non-answer.
lu5t
I missed the debate, how did he do that?
HankProPainHill
He said "it is up to the states" and then said "I would consider it to an extent" - just more politician double talk.
lu5t
thanks for the response!
CrazierConspiraciesThanTrump
Each state should rely on the federal government for certain rules. But not for wages. Since each state has their own economy
sleepinggreenidea
They do. Federal minimum wage is a floor for minimum wages, not a ceiling. It's just like not all states allow $2.13 tipped minimums.
CrazierConspiraciesThanTrump
I like how washington does it. Tipping is allowed still. But the wait staff must be paid state minimum wage
MrTay
Federal is mandatory states can then raise on their own. As a small business owner I didn’t have to fire people when $15 got mandated here1/
MrTay
Our businesses actually booked because of a stronger consumer class. I pay more than that but it still boosted our economy when everyone 2/
MrTay
Had to. Trickle up economics we pay you more more people buy my products. I buy more vendors/manufactures products. The government gets 3/
MrTay
More tax. Everyone benefits by having more people with spending money instead of just enough to pay bills.
Audasity
15/hour is not "very good" anywhere in this country.
sleepinggreenidea
~$41/hr is median HOUSEHOLD income in Manhattan ($87k/yr). Your class privilege is showing.
sleepinggreenidea
(I say the above as someone supporting $15 fed min. When you're wildly out of touch, you undermine the argument.)
dabrick31
I bought a house in 2016 make $15/hr
Audasity
please tell me how you pay health insurance
dabrick31
Well at the time I was 21 or 22 and still on my parents plan. Im up to $18.50/hr and on my company’s insurance
Audasity
"still on my parents plan" is super feasible for anyone over the age of 26.....
dabrick31
Yeah that’s why since im now over 26 I switched to my company’s insurance plan