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butterfly1313
Same with sugar. And light bulbs
metricman67
Wait until you find out how the sugar is stored !
TheHolyFatman
I went to a restaurant supply store and got dry goods containers. Worked like charm. I also bake a lot and get 24lb bags of flour
HonHomes
I mean I've never had a paper bag rip downwards when I tried to pull it open, and then have that rip widen every time I pour some out. But I have had the plastic bags that pasta came in do exactly that!
oldiebutagoodie
I don’t mind it. I have several flour containers at home it goes into. One of the few containers that is recyclable.
androgenoide
You're supposed to put it in your cannister to keep the mice out. Use one of those giant popcorn tins.
Hercules99
Bacon and cereal as well.
slatsky76
They learned from Big Sugar
drinkthederpentine
Dog shit take. Flour needs to breathe, it can't be packaged in plastic. Plastic is also wasteful. Burlap is more expensive. 2 paper bags, which are recyclable and very cheap is basically the most elegant possible solution. Eco friendly, cheap, correct physical properties for the goods contained. Literally it doesn't really get better
PotatoPirateTheThird
The worst possible container is what pancake mix comes in which is just a leaky cardboard box with loose powder inside. No bag
veritas1980
"cheapest possible container".
Kingstad
but salt we buy in these square paper cartons and they ALWAYS leak
TheCunningLinguists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_sack_dress#Feed_sack_garments
vrgogrl
Came here for this! My grandmother told stories about making flour sack dresses during the Depression.
TheUnstoppableWampas
Once you buy it, you're free to put it into what ever kind of container you wish. Also, it can't be that bad. You see anyone else bitching? This is a very niche complaint, but hey, you do you.
LolThisismyname
Nah, I'm fine with paper bags: You should be putting flour in a dedicated container anyways.
DaveSamsonite
Absolutely and you need to wash that container each time you empty it. The natural oils in flour will build up otherwise and it gets gross. Also reduces the chances of insect eggs hatching.
ElPerroDeLosCinco
I never buy flour. I buy my toothpaste with it included and don't need to add it.
headabroccoli
What?
ElPerroDeLosCinco
Bad joke, sorry. "Flour" and "Fluor" are too similar.
Kbantar
Container that usually tears spilling some contents just trying to get the bag in the cart. Recyclable is nice, but it should still first work as a container.
freshthrowaway1138
The only real problem that I have with the paper sacks is that they are bleached white. They could easily switch to unbleached paper and soy ink. Definitely better for the environment.
SacrificialClam
@OP you'll be happy to know I just spent the last two hours going through all your posts thinking I was browsing usersub. I was entertained the whole time, thank you.
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boonesaloon
Fucking BACON is worser
WoofBastard
What? I LOVE a paper bag that spews powdered flour everywhere every time you try to get some?
DaveSamsonite
Work over the sink. Works great!
WoofBastard
I do. Still hate it, LOL.
DaveSamsonite
Open it, pour it into an air tight container. Close it. Rinse the container and the flour residue out of the sink, soak the bag so it won’t lose any more dust when you put it in the trash, wash all your clothes. then mop up the small dry flour spots that mysteriously appear the next day :) j/k
BrigidtheMechLady
The paper sack is 100% recyclable and I don't store my flour in it. I have a separate container for flour in my kitchen.
Skr121
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MisuseOfLiterally
yeah, sounds like OP is asking for plastic containers for every flour pack sold bc he cant be bothered to transfer it himself at home in his own container
weak
SoyDivision
discotheque42
Honest question: what would you recommend?
bangbangbangbangbangbangbangban
Some guys pockets
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Tightly woven spaghetti
FrogBotherer
A rigid cardboard tube would make sense.
InquisitorMoloko
Oatmeal has entered the chat
psstuphere
Rabbit fur
KnifeKnut
Fabric, just like the giant ones used to be.
Exstaticj
Momma needs a new dress.
Akule
A stale loaf of french bread. A bready-to-use container to be used as a baguette.
alidan
it can come in paper, just instead of glueing it down to the bag, seal the top with some kind of glue or plastic and either roll it into the top, or fold it down one one of the sides have have is secured with that rubbery shit that was used in magazines to hold paper down, that way you cut the top open, and the glue can never rip a sizeable hole below flower level when opening. but I would also say to only sell larger bags and normalize putting it in a container at home for flour.
WalkingNature
A cube of Jell-O
PineappleLoopsBroether
A desk of cheez-its
waiterwilly127001
Look at Quaker Oats. Rigid, resealable
ciaron
Odlums sell like that but there's always more shelf space devoted to paper bags so I guess the market is talking
v01dstar
Paper bags are cheaper, especially when you consider bulk transportation and storage (because tubes don't fit together as tightly). So you'd want to keep both options available. Like how sugar is still available in bags, but also (more expensively) in milk cartons. For flour, I think tubes would work better than rectangular cartons, so much so as to be worth the cost.
ciaron
Yep that's my point. The supermarkets are assigning more space to bags because they're selling more. People don't want to spend the extra few cents for the alternative
v01dstar
Where I live, Safeway's shelf space for sugar is roughly evenly split between the waxed-paper milk-like cartons and the plain paper bags. Enough of my neighbors are financially comfortable enough to think a few extra cents for the vastly improved convenience is well worth it; and somewhere-near-equally enough aren't. (or are just sticking with what they're used to, or have their own container they pour it into so it makes no difference. Yet, I've never even seen flour in anything but paper bags.
ForrestDwellingDonkey
At least they're not plastic
phoenix071
Everything else comes in plastic. Why not use plastic where it actually makes sense (flour, sugar) and stop using it where it doesn't make sense (almost everything else, like produce)
quadraspaz1
And it's thicker paper than Warburton bread bags in the UK which your fingers go through when you pick them up. Which is a damn shame cos it's the nicest bread you can get when not dried up by holes in the bag
chaylar
i got TP the other day and to my dismay the rolls were plastic wrapped INSIDE the main plastic wrap. i hate it.
metalrulercid
100% this. I'd rather have an unruly paper bag than plastic anything.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Well I mean a reusable plastic sealable container to refill with flour is fine. But fuck one time use plastics.
EinsteinHair
It used to come in fabric bags and if the milling was fine enough some would come through the fabric
ForrestDwellingDonkey
It still comes in fabric bags if you're buying in bulk 25kg I think
OuchYoureonmyhair
Our pizza shop buys it in large double layer paper bags.
Sarnion
Why? Just make it a recyclable plastic container. Then I won't have to worry about flour dropping from that horrendous paper bag, and I get to use the container for other things too.
freshthrowaway1138
Climate Town has a great video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnJ8mK3Q3g
5050Saint
Because most plastic isn't recyclable, stupidly enough.
Sarnion
But isn't food grade plastic (like plastic soda bottles and veggie packaging) supposed to be good for recycling?
whatsisname
"Supposed to be" and "is" often have a pretty wide gulf between them.
5050Saint
Somewhere around 10% is recyclable. The petroleum industry was largely behind the push to make it seem like plastic was recyclable. They even pushed to use a three arrows logo that looks similar to, but is legally distinct from the reduce, reuse, recycle logo.
Slimewire
In theory it's recyclable; in practice only very small % actually gets there. Most recycling programs are a sham but it makes us feel better. :'(
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Turns out paper might be even less healthy because a lot of commercial printing ink contains mineral oil, which soaks through the paper and contaminates the food. If the paper is recycled it likely contains additional hydrocarbons from its previous life as a printed product. Nearly all rolled oats in paper packaging that were tested in Germany were found to contain mineral oil hydrocarbons. Stuff's carcinogenic, teratogenic, generally toxic & definitely worse than anything in food grade plastic
TravelingTableTop
Newest research shows this link is not as clear as you convey. https://www.foodpackagingforum.org/news/eu-panel-re-examines-health-risks-of-mineral-oil-hydrocarbons-in-food . The animal model they chose was deemed unsuitable. I would choose the risk that an ink might have been swapped with a non food safe version vs. the platisizers offgassing and microplastics from alternative containers.
RydWolf
Ooh! Thanks to the Vorkosigan Saga I know what teratogenic means!
solaslunas
those paper bags are double lined. the print is on the outer bag but the inner is a plain paper bag. you dont need to worry about the ink
DaveSamsonite
Correct
Frogblender
If you're sure enough to spread the rumour then why is your comment loaded with uncertain wording instead of a respectable source saying how real the risk is.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Here you go. I suggest next time ask nicely for a source. Trying to sow doubt without fact-checking first isn't better than my use of "uncertain wording", which comes down to the word "might". A word that is difficult to avoid since consumers like myself have no way of telling which inks & paper quality was used for each and every food package. Rule of thumb: Make sure there's an internal PP or PET bag. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00217-010-1376-6
Frogblender
Your source looks legitimate as a study into ink migration. But it doesn't try to offer guidance to consumers. 13 years on if I go into a store today, every sugar bag and flour bag is paper with ink and every egg is marked directly with ink. The bakers make bread from a pallet of paper flour sacks also with ink on. It is impossible to know if that study is relevant. Also, what are you touching the ink covered packaging with. It's a grain of fear not true knowledge.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
It's about hydrocarbon migration rather than ink migration. Paper sucks as a barrier. You can treat it in various ways, but unless you line the inside with plastic (tetrapack style) or a material like aluminium it will allow all kinds of molecules to pass through. You can easily test this with water, but air passes through as well. There is no un-lined airtight paper or cardboard container. Now think road transport and traffic exhaust. Think mercury, arsenic, formaldehyde, benzene etc.
mohavewolfpup
I’ll remember that the next time the recycling cartel demands I wash jars, dry them, sterilize at 475 for 29 hours in an oven, separate my aluminum and plastic, etc etc. what a crock
FiftyShadesOfArugula
I'm generally very much pro-recycling, or downcycling in case of plastic and paper. Washing seems a bit excessive and a waste of water. Maybe a quick rinse in case of yogurt containers. Anyway, the main problem in this case is mineral oil in inks and lubricants used in the print industry. Even if we ban these products tomorrow the hydrocarbons will remain in recycling paper for some time to come.
mohavewolfpup
Common lore is if you don’t wash everything, put a greasy pizza box in recycling then it’s claimed that all gets thrown for being contaminated. Has the same BS energy as a thrift store demanding everything new in a box and ready for resale
DaveSamsonite
Do you have a source on this? These are packaged in virgin paper made from sustainable US forests with zero oil. Safer than paper towels that are literally made out of recycled waste paper.
DaveSamsonite
By these I mean bags of flour.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Unless the paper is plain white, without anything printed on it, I'm afraid there is no telling how accurate your "zero oil" assessment is. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00217-010-1376-6
DaveSamsonite
Flour is in a double thickness paper bag. I’ve worked with printing inks for 38 years, and mostly they use the flexo method with aqueous ink. The inside is not printed. What on earth do you think would be a safer way to package anything if plain white paper seems dangerous to you? I am genuinely curious.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Sorry, you can't dispute scientific evidence with "I've worked with printing". Have you even looked at the study? Tl;dr: Hydrocarbons migrate through paper and cardboard and end up in the package contents in concentrations that exceeds the legal limit (in Germany, that is) by up to factor 100. Within months after production, in products that have a shelf life of several years and will accumulate even more over time.
DaveSamsonite
You haven’t see the inside of a flour bag as sold in the US have you? LOL Paper bags have been used for well over 100 years. There are Federal standards in place for this specific package type. https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/wf10.pdf
velicitia
Just opened a new bag today. flour itself was in a plain white bag, then a second paper bag with the printing was around that.
not perfect, but at least better (but then again, who knows what kind of weirdo shit goes into flour processing anyway)
DaveSamsonite
Correct - the standard is a double layer in the US
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Hydrocarbon molecules easily migrate through cardboard or several layers of paper as the above study shows. Unless there is a plastic (PP/PET) or aluminum layer between paper and food... by the way, this does not only apply to ink. Anything that comes in contact with the paper can potentially end up in the food. Think exhaust pollutants during road transport. Benzene, mercury, arsenic from diesel fumes, even more PAHs. Paper/cardboard offers barely any protection from molecule-sized pollutants