Just another label by white trash to keep everyone angry. How about we STOP classifying people into groups? People are people. They are NOT black, white, tan, yellow, rich, poor etc.. We are ALL living humans, no less, no more......
White Panthers? That sounds awesome! Wait, "Rainbow People's Party"? Even better. How about the RAINBOW PANTHERS? Peace and love, but no drugs until I set down my machine gun.
While liking this and understanding why, this really smacks of separate but equal but in physical distancing and how it enforces that the whitefolk are not equal, nor welcome in the “true” organization. Hopefully, one day we won’t need 2. I recognize today is not that day though 😞
I totally agree about ending racism and changing laws that are not correct, but what I am concerned are the last points about everything being free. Universal basic income - sure, but everything cant be free.
pump your brakes there, big shoots. them racists got a problem with human rights, then they gots a problem with me. and i suggest you let that one marinate.
Isn't segregation something they are against? Isn't their movement and their cause enhanced by membership of other races? Sure, downvote me and call me an idiot. So much off this world makes no sense to me. Even the good guys.
Nice to know the history, but it would be super weird to have separate organizations today based on an understanding of people being either 'black' or 'white'. A lot of us are in-betweeners. Like, we also don't have separate rainbow-organizations, one for lesbian, one for gay, and so on, because now we know, it's about all of us, not sticking to divisions, because the division is the problem.
Idk. I'm white to the point of being see-through and want to respect people by keeping my pasty ass away from meetings where people may need to support each other in the fight against idiotic racism. I have no right to join that discussion as someone who isn't affected but I DO have a responsibility to make those kinds of discussions antiquated. I see your point that it's not great to keep us separated but there are times when the comfort of sameness is reasonable.
There was the Pink Panther Patrol at one point, which were helpful to patrol gay neighborhoods at a time when the law basically turned its eye to gay bashing and crimes against the LGBT people. I would guess keeping white people out of the Black Panthers is a call back to Kwame Ture (then known as Stokely Carmichael) when he coined the phrase "Black power" at chair of the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee.
The band, MC5 and very early Bob Seger were involved with The White Panthers. John Sinclair got jailed for marijuana possession. Seger sang about it his song Highways Child, “I seen 'em send up John Sinclair, you know, two joints is all it takes!” https://youtu.be/-58I96OEf-s?si=hF26LiVZSvMQXOt4
I support the Black Panthers, but not sure about the White Panther name. I get it was made TO support the Black Panthers without encroaching on them, but still feels off. My brain is making a Black Lives/All Lives connection, in that just seeing the names, you would expect them to oppose each other.
I like the idea of it. Supporting the Black Panthers (while still keeping BP a safe, black-only space) with a sister organization like the White Panthers is legit, and I appreciate that it has an untainted history legitimized by martyrdom. HOWEVER the name "white panthers" would be exclusionary to people of color and it should stay retired.
Think about it like this. You'd be taking the "White Something" back, making it much less appearing to nazis. They'd be feeling as confused as you are right now if they were joining a group with a similar name, but white supremacist. That being said, the mission is pretty clear and that's the important part. The idea is to take something that already exists instead of having these disagreements, and get organized ASAP.
I remember this from Detroit when I was young! My parents were social workers with the City of Detroit and many of their colleagues were Black Americans. It was outrageous that the Black Panthers were portrayed as monsters when in fact they were pushing for breakfasts for impoverished children and social justice. It was a huge disappointment when Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition failed to be supported. I had no understanding of the depth of racism .
Ngl, I only learned of the white panthers a few days ago, and when I did I kinda assumed it was a racists organization made to make fun of the black panthers. Kinda like the whole all lives matter bs.
The Black Panthers weren't made for you. The example of the White Panthers is also pretty cool cause it shows you can form your own group and still cooperate in a shared goal.
And if you think doing that didn't work, then just note how the US government feared them enough to invent chargers and send leaders to prison in order to destroy it. They wouldn't bother with any of this if they didn't matter.
After seeing the Black Panthers standing up to tyranny I kinda want to join a White Panther organization. As a white human who is FILLED WITH RAGE about the injustices on Black and brown people for no FUCKING reason.
Look into the John Brown Gun Club as well. They stepped up and saved lives when drag shows were getting bricks through their windows in TX a few years back...
BIPOC people don't need Whites to encroach on their organization.
One of the key steps towards reclaiming BIPOC equality is to strengthen BIPOC spaces, including BIPOC organizations.
As Dr. Robin DiAngelo, a prominent researcher on white fragility says, "I’m a big believer in affinity space and affinity work. People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other."
Paul birdsong of the philly black panthers has put videos out encouraging anyone of any colour including whites to join the panthers. He referred to the panthers as a coalition for all.
Well as far as I can tell there's no national organization, so you can just start White Panthers MyCityName, update the 10 tenets, and be good to go. With these things, always start small, focus on bringing in more people, and reach out to others in other areas that can be emotional support - cause it's HARD to community organize.
Any Black Panthers that want this white Veteran's support, you have it. On the street, training you to defend yourselves with your right to be armed, I want to help.
Yup. True antiracists know better than to racially mix their antiracist organizations. Black antiracists get to join the Black Panthers, and there's the White Panthers for Whites.
I spent a couple minutes looking at your two main comments in this subthread and trying to figure out why one did well and this one got shut down. I think it's cause this one kind of reads like you're calling out a hypocrisy, or using thick sarcasm to point out the seeming contradiction in antiracist organizations being racially selective in membership - neither of which I think you were intending as the primary message, right?
I'm only spreading good antiracist practices stemming from scientifically sound antiracist research. Effective antiracism is a science-based, complex field. Knee-jerk reactions won't help us navigate social institutions derived from tools of systemic injustice or social behavior rooted in slavery and misogyny. We must listen to the experts and try to understand the grand scheme of things.
It feels like we were lied to all these years. I knew that America was by no means perfect. But I didn't think it was this bad. Even knowing racial injustices.
But this is different. Out of 5 men one is a Nazi. The courts refuse to enforce law on the leadership. People are dying. And the administration is boldly lying about it.
And it fucking hurts. it is crushing in its torment, it screams in the face of the faceless oppression, engulfed by their indifference. Empathy guides our rage against Injustice. They have mistaken our attempts at peace as pacifism. It is time we show them what a mistake that is.
I laud your passion, and feel that rage too. We need people to use that rage in different ways; holding people accountable through legal means, protesters, action, we must also build community too.
Indeed we do. There are many facets necessary to build the way forward that puts us on The path of genuine progress towards a better world for all, And not rest until we have accomplished it. I wish you, and everyone, a better today.
I've heard that 'fuck you I got mine' line from all walks of life the sentiment isn't locked behind a specific 'generation' or racial profile it's basic human nature Don't Be Basic
dadof2as
Let's restart! Channel some serious John Brown energy!!
NotThePoint
6thsigma
Is White Leopards taken? because that feels era appropriate for nominally "white" people who are anti-racist and humanist.
TyrannusEquus
I get it, but also don't like that the answer was segregation.
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
Just another label by white trash to keep everyone angry. How about we STOP classifying people into groups? People are people. They are NOT black, white, tan, yellow, rich, poor etc.. We are ALL living humans, no less, no more......
Donfolstar
White Panthers? That sounds awesome! Wait, "Rainbow People's Party"? Even better. How about the RAINBOW PANTHERS? Peace and love, but no drugs until I set down my machine gun.
defensivebackhair
Toss in some good rock https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YmplcXBpMWpudG00MTFzeHp1dHg3aDU5Yzc0MXhxNTRtMjZ1b2k4cSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/gk3R16JhLP8RUka2nD/200w.webp
PassionAggressive
While liking this and understanding why, this really smacks of separate but equal but in physical distancing and how it enforces that the whitefolk are not equal, nor welcome in the “true” organization. Hopefully, one day we won’t need 2. I recognize today is not that day though 😞
JustJimWillDo
All power to the people. ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
rlsown
I totally agree about ending racism and changing laws that are not correct, but what I am concerned are the last points about everything being free. Universal basic income - sure, but everything cant be free.
lurkmoarjono
I could watch bricks gettin thrown at racists all day, i dont give a fuck about your racists. \
Margrave9000
Stop being passive about it.
lurkmoarjono
pump your brakes there, big shoots. them racists got a problem with human rights, then they gots a problem with me. and i suggest you let that one marinate.
Caprittles
Maybe we couldd start the snow leapords or the white leopards you know? God i hope thats not like... A racist organization
pandajack
Isn't segregation something they are against? Isn't their movement and their cause enhanced by membership of other races? Sure, downvote me and call me an idiot. So much off this world makes no sense to me. Even the good guys.
lsnasty
The video of the black panther with the rifle protecting the community is fire. Now that’s what the 2A is for.
MioTaalas
People need to organize, apes together, strong!
dgran98
What about Canadians?
YippeeKayakOB
Nice to know the history, but it would be super weird to have separate organizations today based on an understanding of people being either 'black' or 'white'. A lot of us are in-betweeners. Like, we also don't have separate rainbow-organizations, one for lesbian, one for gay, and so on, because now we know, it's about all of us, not sticking to divisions, because the division is the problem.
Refunjo
And even if not being anything between.
annonymouse211
Idk. I'm white to the point of being see-through and want to respect people by keeping my pasty ass away from meetings where people may need to support each other in the fight against idiotic racism. I have no right to join that discussion as someone who isn't affected but I DO have a responsibility to make those kinds of discussions antiquated. I see your point that it's not great to keep us separated but there are times when the comfort of sameness is reasonable.
RevolutionOnHerLips
There was the Pink Panther Patrol at one point, which were helpful to patrol gay neighborhoods at a time when the law basically turned its eye to gay bashing and crimes against the LGBT people. I would guess keeping white people out of the Black Panthers is a call back to Kwame Ture (then known as Stokely Carmichael) when he coined the phrase "Black power" at chair of the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee.
dawnkelly3160
There were Grey Panthers at one time, too. And Brown Berets
YippeeKayakOB
Ah yes, I think I have heard about them before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Panthers
klean9
The band, MC5 and very early Bob Seger were involved with The White Panthers. John Sinclair got jailed for marijuana possession. Seger sang about it his song Highways Child, “I seen 'em send up John Sinclair, you know, two joints is all it takes!” https://youtu.be/-58I96OEf-s?si=hF26LiVZSvMQXOt4
GozerTheGozerian
Beat me to it, I was just about to post about them! In particular MC5!
LinguisticBitch
Can white Canadians join?
Onlyhereforthelaughs
I support the Black Panthers, but not sure about the White Panther name. I get it was made TO support the Black Panthers without encroaching on them, but still feels off. My brain is making a Black Lives/All Lives connection, in that just seeing the names, you would expect them to oppose each other.
Krauterhosen
I dont mind it. Its ok to be white and
flamingflamingo
I like the idea of it. Supporting the Black Panthers (while still keeping BP a safe, black-only space) with a sister organization like the White Panthers is legit, and I appreciate that it has an untainted history legitimized by martyrdom. HOWEVER the name "white panthers" would be exclusionary to people of color and it should stay retired.
InTangier
Think about it like this. You'd be taking the "White Something" back, making it much less appearing to nazis. They'd be feeling as confused as you are right now if they were joining a group with a similar name, but white supremacist.
That being said, the mission is pretty clear and that's the important part. The idea is to take something that already exists instead of having these disagreements, and get organized ASAP.
sjester42
Albino Jungle Feline! Spotted Kitty Group! Non-melanistic Support Cats! Retractable Claws Alliance! Lovingly Antagonistic Furballs! Oh, oh, oh: "The Back Claws!"
chinesemario
Pun plumadon is one of the great names
dawnkelly3160
I remember this from Detroit when I was young! My parents were social workers with the City of Detroit and many of their colleagues were Black Americans. It was outrageous that the Black Panthers were portrayed as monsters when in fact they were pushing for breakfasts for impoverished children and social justice. It was a huge disappointment when Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition failed to be supported. I had no understanding of the depth of racism .
mrsdowneyjr
I asked this question this morning elsewhere. I love that there's an answer
prosper020
Ngl, I only learned of the white panthers a few days ago, and when I did I kinda assumed it was a racists organization made to make fun of the black panthers. Kinda like the whole all lives matter bs.
armagedon4343
Cool history never new this. Wonder why its comeing up now...oh yea....fuck
duktayp
tl;dr no
WarmMachineDD7
The Black Panthers weren't made for you. The example of the White Panthers is also pretty cool cause it shows you can form your own group and still cooperate in a shared goal.
And if you think doing that didn't work, then just note how the US government feared them enough to invent chargers and send leaders to prison in order to destroy it. They wouldn't bother with any of this if they didn't matter.
beerkrump
Shouldn't there be a link to how to join?
tzahtman
It doesn't exist as a group, and hasn't for decades.
BishlamekGurpgork
Probably would be if it hadn't been disbanded in 1973.
annonymouse211
After seeing the Black Panthers standing up to tyranny I kinda want to join a White Panther organization. As a white human who is FILLED WITH RAGE about the injustices on Black and brown people for no FUCKING reason.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Well, you can help in your own way, icelist .is was shared here recently.
ZebadiahCarter
Look into the John Brown Gun Club as well. They stepped up and saved lives when drag shows were getting bricks through their windows in TX a few years back...
ShinyNickel
Are you in Southern California?
Fuckimgurcunts
Absolutely same. I'm gonna go look into it and if I don't see anything I'll spread the idea
YouRadicalizedMe
I am in !
FlintNorth44
Just join BP. White Panthers will turn into a neo-nazi org real quick.
Margrave9000
BIPOC people don't need Whites to encroach on their organization.
One of the key steps towards reclaiming BIPOC equality is to strengthen BIPOC spaces, including BIPOC organizations.
As Dr. Robin DiAngelo, a prominent researcher on white fragility says, "I’m a big believer in affinity space and affinity work. People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/16/racial-inequality-niceness-white-people
sheslikeheroin
Paul birdsong of the philly black panthers has put videos out encouraging anyone of any colour including whites to join the panthers. He referred to the panthers as a coalition for all.
YeOlRazzleDazzle
Is there a way to join? I'd also like to join.
BananaForScaIe
Well as far as I can tell there's no national organization, so you can just start White Panthers MyCityName, update the 10 tenets, and be good to go. With these things, always start small, focus on bringing in more people, and reach out to others in other areas that can be emotional support - cause it's HARD to community organize.
afterdarkart
Any Black Panthers that want this white Veteran's support, you have it. On the street, training you to defend yourselves with your right to be armed, I want to help.
Margrave9000
Yup. True antiracists know better than to racially mix their antiracist organizations. Black antiracists get to join the Black Panthers, and there's the White Panthers for Whites.
MajorasTerribleFate
I spent a couple minutes looking at your two main comments in this subthread and trying to figure out why one did well and this one got shut down. I think it's cause this one kind of reads like you're calling out a hypocrisy, or using thick sarcasm to point out the seeming contradiction in antiracist organizations being racially selective in membership - neither of which I think you were intending as the primary message, right?
Margrave9000
I'm only spreading good antiracist practices stemming from scientifically sound antiracist research. Effective antiracism is a science-based, complex field. Knee-jerk reactions won't help us navigate social institutions derived from tools of systemic injustice or social behavior rooted in slavery and misogyny. We must listen to the experts and try to understand the grand scheme of things.
LinguisticBitch
The point went right over your head.
Margrave9000
I just wrote an in-depth reply to another comment.
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LinguisticBitch
THEY EXPLAINED IT IN THE VIDEO YOU IDIOT.
Margrave9000
And I explained it in the comment. BIPOC people should strengthen their own spaces. A good White ally understands this.
TheMershedPerderder
You have empathy.
Ac1dBurn72
It doesn't feel like empathy.
It feels like rage and shame.
It feels like we were lied to all these years. I knew that America was by no means perfect. But I didn't think it was this bad. Even knowing racial injustices.
But this is different. Out of 5 men one is a Nazi. The courts refuse to enforce law on the leadership. People are dying. And the administration is boldly lying about it.
Ac1dBurn72
There are actual genocides happening and nobody is going ANYTHING about it. Globally.
Our richest 10 people are about to use the economic crash to buy up EVERYTHING and we are powerless to do anything.
I am raising a daughter in what's trying to become a christofascist world, that wants to use her as a baby machine and nothing more.
If this is empathy, I have misunderstood the words for it. Because I'm starting to think bloodshed is our only real option.
Euclid11010
And it fucking hurts. it is crushing in its torment, it screams in the face of the faceless oppression, engulfed by their indifference. Empathy guides our rage against Injustice. They have mistaken our attempts at peace as pacifism. It is time we show them what a mistake that is.
TheMershedPerderder
I laud your passion, and feel that rage too. We need people to use that rage in different ways; holding people accountable through legal means, protesters, action, we must also build community too.
Euclid11010
Indeed we do. There are many facets necessary to build the way forward that puts us on The path of genuine progress towards a better world for all, And not rest until we have accomplished it.
I wish you, and everyone, a better today.
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
tldr, yes... as white panthers.
HufflePuffPuff
I dunno dude, you put “white” in front of anything and I question it. As a white person, do I exist?
LucianKane
Actual tldr: here's a history lesson on two disbanded groups, we'll dodge the question.
NotThePoint
*cough* which don't exist anymore *cough*
unluckyandbored
That's a fixable problem
Bigblackdick69
Well, let's fix that
Boxingjedi
...be the change you want to see in the world...
-a tired old white dude
LazerSpacePirate
"I'd love to change the world .. but I don't know what to do... So I leave it up to youuuuu" just listened to that on the way into work
MaiBalogna
Hard to do following the "fuck you got mine generation", nothing changes no matter how hard we express our rights/freedoms, it's all a farce
Boxingjedi
I've heard that 'fuck you I got mine' line from all walks of life
the sentiment isn't locked behind a specific 'generation' or racial profile
it's basic human nature
Don't Be Basic
DorkJedi
you are working hard to make that true.