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Treat a man as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can and should be and he will become as he can and should be ~ Johann Goethe
Mar 24, 2021 11:27 AM
Lanhdanan
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Treat a man as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can and should be and he will become as he can and should be ~ Johann Goethe
AlienNippleAntennae
THANK YOU! Well put.
Munchman347
England did this and cut it's addiction problems while weakening the drug cartels...
destinoz
Im good with decriminalizing and access to free rehab (mandatory if committing other crimes). Heroin doesn’t need to be legal though.
Jaeger6Ix
I remember watching scary addiction videos in class as a kid, that was enough for me to never try hard drugs
PedanticAsshat
Ah, but where would our private prisons get inmates? Will no one think of the shareholders?
thecomfycat
Decriminalize drugs & sex work,begin replacing police with specialists like social workers nurses EMTs then see how little police are needed
extraordinaryagility
Humans ARE animals though, they just have the option of participating in society and being civilized or not. Plenty of them are not.
Iceweasel
I wish. Any one else watch Soft White Underbelly videos on youtube?
tonalstates
Me! Great channel and great characters.
40pctdolomite
Unpopular opinion - opting out is the greatest human right and we should have the freedom to do so with whatever chemical we wish.
tomriddle91
I agree. I would fully support heroin clinics where people can overdose all day
MiniMegaOfParagonCity
Legalize possession and usage, keep production and distribution illegal. Punishing the victims of crime is insanity.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
That is why use of any drugs in Canada is not criminalized , only possession.
jradtour
Pretty hard to use drugs without possessing them, tho
ZeroDucksToGive
But what about the prison system? WON’T ANYONE THINK OF THE FOR-PROFIT PRISONS?!?!
eetsumkaus
that's not legalization though, that's decriminilization
BootsDusty
TheGrayBox
Pharmaceutical companies don’t prescribe opiates. The whole system is to blame.
RtsWillH1Mself
Control it and tax the SHIT out of it.
MBVagabond
I fail to see why the government doesn't want in on the profit even if just to make is safe and unavailable to kids.
DukePhelan
'But how does that punish people for their shortcomings'?- Conservatives everywhere.
Debalicious
MyCouchPullsOutButIDont33
No drugs should be illegal. People should be free to make their own choice what to do with their body, as long as they're not hurting others
DwightHasTheFreshestBeets
I disagree, but then again I just got my car back from some heroin junkies that left all their needles in it.
DasOgre
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted
FiveShiftOne
No drugs should be illegal *to use. We should definitely be trying to stop people from selling crack and heroin, though. They destroy >
FiveShiftOne
communities and neighborhoods.
GrassssssssTastesBad
Legalizing drugs, statistically, lowers drug use
tomriddle91
*lowers illegal drug use
GrassssssssTastesBad
But they're not illegal drugs once you legalize them
tomriddle91
Thats why it lowers illegal drug use of that substance to practically 0
GrassssssssTastesBad
Yes, and it also decreases the amount of overall drug use.
FeloniousMonk13
As an ex user, i can assure you that anti drug laws do NOTHING to prevent drug use. They only drive up prices.
tinyfootprints
I probably would have smoked less pot if it had been legal. Illegality gave it an undeniable attraction.
sylvnal
Higher prices probably then drive more gang/cartel violence. If there's more money, there's more to fight over.
ImAFoxButNotReally
And also consumers may have to resource to more theft, raising crime.
whyexactly
Yep. Either way it costs everyone money, so may as well legalize it and get people the help they need.
SumptuousMeat
Oregon says hi!
ButtmoTerror
I can't wait to buy cocaine over the counter
FetaForMoses
Yeah that’s not what decriminalizing means
ButtmoTerror
It better, that's what I'm waiting for
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
The tweet in the op says 'legalize' though, not 'decriminalize'
SomeDetroitGuy
Portugal.
Yomammamom
Yup... Works so well there, communities feel safe, crime is low. Win/win.
canigifinpaint
Heroin addicts get arrested on purpose to get clean. It's one of the few drugs where getting clean requires absolutely no access to it.
thinlyveilednonsense
Imagine if people didn’t have to commit crimes they wouldn’t otherwise just to get treatment for an addiction...
canigifinpaint
...You realize that just HAVING heroin is a crime, right? They turn in the heroin or whatever paraphernalia they have so they'll be arrested
MrCadwallager
Eh "treatment" is just a side effect of being locked in a room. But the addicts know that's the only way to stop themselves.
canigifinpaint
Speaking the truth on imgur is a good way to get downvoted, it seems.
sylvnal
Way to miss the point.
ThePerks2010
This isn't a great argument, my brother's a junkie and he says he prefers being inside it's easier to get drugs in there and he's never 1/2
ThePerks2010
Met anyone who got arrested to get clean, would you want to go cold turkey in a police cell? Sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree 2/2
canigifinpaint
imagine having to lie on the internet to try to make your point about drugs
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Yeah isn't quitting heroin cold turkey a really efficient way to fuckin die?
ThePerks2010
But at least they'll check on you hourly while you die horribly
MyRespectableAlterEgo
It won't kill you, but it'll make you wish you were dead. I've done it, and considered suicide just to make the symptoms stop.
iggylights
It's been working in Portugal for over 20 years.
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sitenickname
The short version: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
sitenickname
Longer version: https://www.thecommononline.org/decriminalization-a-love-story (It has been a remarkable change everywhere, much less crime)
iggylights
Oregon is doing it right now. All drugs are decriminalized for personal use. They treat addiction as a health issue and not a crime.
Thewayofthebear
This.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
When was the last time we outside Portugal saw Portugal in the news? Either Portugal doesn't exist or they're doing suspiciously well... >_>
maxximii
Portugal is on the verge of collapse and has social issues that you can't even imagine, they should never be used as a goal.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
What's up there, besides the economy?
iggylights
Actually Portugal, Spain, and Greece have had financial problems for years. Worst in the EU
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Correct, but somehow we get far fewer bad news: mass shootings, political scandal and strife, racial conflict...
iggylights
We get very little international news from US based main stream media
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
I'm comparing to other countries in Europe.
Serenitis
"Yes. But that would help people I don't like, therefore it is bad forever and must never even be considered."
invisibulman
That's not fair. It wouldn't help everyone. This would be terrible for the private prison industry.
StiinkySkunk
But...drugs are bad?
dyxj
"And if I ever end up in the same situation, I'm a victim to circumstances beyond my control, but others are there by their bad decisions."
astrangehop
You forgot to mention that addiction and poverty are morally wrong, so they're not worth addressing in any humane sensible manner.
Lanhdanan
I see you have an understanding of conservative logic.
Greenwaxy
“I grew up in the projects! I could’ve done heroin and chose not to! Why should they get my tax money?” -actual conservative I met
stoicgoof
Which is hilarious logic considering incarceration is pretty expensive and is paid for by taxes.
Greenwaxy
But maintaining a false sense of superiority? PRICELESS!
crankyoldgeezer
Nah that was with the crack epidemic. Vast majority of heroin addicts are white so even white old men in Congress care.
fluffmeister
No they don't, they care about whatever drug use is fucking up rich people, give less than a shit about skin color except for signaling.
AuralOcean
Yeah if they cared about heroin users then you can assume they cared about the well being of Kurt Cobain. Which I bet they did NOT.
BewareOfBOB
Legalize is not the same thing with decriminalize.
spiceass9000
Ya that’s what I came here to say also lol. State shouldn’t punish you for them. Also shouldn’t be a legal commodity. So decriminalize them
LuvableZombie
S'what I was gonna say.
FnordGallop
Right. If you only decriminalize, you can still fine poor people for being sick.
ShinyInSerenity
What's the difference?
LoTRFanatic42
Decriminalize is what is described above: no punishment for holding or using. Legalize means you can buy and use as much as you want.
Willowknowsall
We want it legalized
ShinyInSerenity
Thanks! I had no idea there were different levels
thinlyveilednonsense
All research into this issue suggests that treating addiction as a mental health issue instead of a criminal one improves outcomes.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
True, but some people still fight help at every turn though. Those people are just assholes.
jealoussandwich8888
It’s almost like they want us to have dangerous people with mental health issues running around making it easier to fund the police...
TrueSandwich
Both of you to assume that politicians can read
PrfctDrk
Thats why our state legalized all drugs recently. It's a great step forward
ztygs
But, and this is the real important question, does it improve profit?
khtad
It’s also a sociological issue. A non-trivial part of addiction is community the addicts can’t get any other way.
hardytardigrade
Yes, but our judicial system is based on doing bad things to the bad people so we can feel good, and that doesn't seem to fit here /s
TheresAlwaysSomething
I thought these were system of a down lyrics at first.
damogen
It’s cool to break certain laws. It’s not cool to be mentally ill
redneckyoshi
Friend went through MH court instead of drug court and it helped immensely. They find the underlying problems and help you with them
akumanotane
Never said addiction should be treated as a criminal issue
enferno8
Yeah but then how are drugs gonna win the war on drugs?
ztygs
That ship sailed a while ago.
bigdickrick206
Already did
thedudeman519
Bold of you to assume the US has any interest in improving outcomes
porrages
The moment I talked to a doctor about alcoholism I got a prescription and therapy and boom. One year later, no alcohol urges at all.
Tigersterne
Wait, you're saying being confined to a crowded box in a violent and hostile environment for years on end doesn't make people better?
fryturama
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased, and law enforcement decreased, while abolishing mandatory
fryturama
Minimum sentences.
Degbis
For you and meeee
sylvnal
Okay Serj.
TheatreStreet
They make good points and need to be taken seriously.
seekingdaedalus
THEY'RE TRYIN TO BUILD A PRISON, THEY'RE TRYIN TO BUILD A PRISON, THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON (FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN)
itsjorden
But it cuts a hole in the politicians pockets by decreasing funding for prisons. It's an unfortunate fact of life that we may not see that.
munchmunchmunch
Yeah!!
Dominator497
Sort of, private prisons aren't THAT big though. It's a culture war. America isn't as free as people like to think.
zebulorg
Based on incarceration rates, we're statistically the least free people.
itsjorden
Yes, I'll agree. It's also so certain states can get more votes per capita, including the minorities in jail gives certain groups more sway.
itsjorden
It's certainly political moreso than profitable.
MakeItBackAlright
That's the thing about a culture war--it will almost always have economic drivers. It will also FAR outstrip said drivers and take on a life
MakeItBackAlright
of its own. Like how the fashion industry has all these crazy avant garde shows that look stupid then determine what we can buy at target.
thealmightywalrus420
8.7% of US prisons are private. And even the public ones are after money. They make them work for $2 an hour and CHARGE INMATES TO READ
bigdickrick206
*CHARGE INMATES FOR EVERYTHING
TheatreStreet
Insert mr krabs list of charges lollygagging: $2 existing: $5
AwesomeName
Here in Germany they tried giving addicts free Heroin. With great success: instead of doing crime, they were able to hold steady jobs.
dasklaus
And as usual, they do these local "trial balloons" with great success, yet never expand them so they meed demand :(
Chunky4life
They do the exact same thing in Copenhagen and have had great success. Drop in crime, addicts able to get help, etc
greymouser84
Not true. At least i cannot find anything about it on the web. Except that Germany has a really high addiction rate.
schwiizerli007
They are not giving them Heroin per se but Methadon, which causes a similar reaction in the body but is way safer. At least in Switzerland
lannatowers
Heroin addict with stable job hahaha that’s a good one
stevenlargent777
Sweep floors?
MrSisterFister
Of all the hard drug habits you could have heroin is probably most conducive w/ maintain stable employment IMO.
ActionJohnnie
Why are you giving away female protagonists?
ap91484
It was actually named that way, because it should have been Bayer's next big universal medicine after Aspirin.
Imissmycats
Charlie's Angels and Ghostbusters' reboots' ones were really cheap so why not?
rnj454
You got some of that good sauce to go with that? I'm intrigued.
AwesomeName
http://www.heroinstudie.de/H-Report_P1_engl.pdf
RicheTheBuddha
Looks like an interesting read. Thank you.
rnj454
InoffensivePablum
Give a man some heroin and he’s high for a day. Teach a man to heroin...
SunReign
You made me spit my food out laughing, good day to you sir!
jbrontey
Light a man a fire, he's warm for an evening. Light a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
johneventually1
Technically. There are also mushrooms that will have enough nutrients to last the rest of your life too.
jbrontey
Safe injection site in my town was community disaster, but town was too small. 100,000 people and estimated 1500 people MOVED here to (1/2)
jbrontey
either do drugs safely or sell since they let people sell within 1 block of the site without police intervention. Anyway, it overwhelmed...
jbrontey
the downtown area. Business had to clothes, people high on meth wandering around all over the place, petty crime skyrocketed. Disaster...
jbrontey
The idea was a good one in theory but probably better to limit to larger centres.
AwesomeName
...or rolled out everywhere.
tomriddle91
You ever work next to a guy on heroin that thinks it's funny to blast his nail gun next to people he doesn't like?
malaroo
That's not what heroin does at all. Stop talking about things you're clueless about. Hey, maybe that's why he didn't like you.
MrSisterFister
Right? It always irks me how people w/ no insight into drug use think all drugs turn everyone into psychopaths or infants instantly.
JRen86
You ever work with an asshole? They don't need drugs to be assholes
NinjaHoff
Says the dude who snorted unicorn blood for 12 years
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
I've worked with straightedge people that have worse habits than that
HolyCowDoNotEat
Sounds like an asshole, not like the heroin made them do it.
tomriddle91
Maybe the heroin I dunno affected his judgement
fluffmeister
Or. And I'm just spitballing here, that person is an asshole and shouldn't be used as the standard by which you judge herion users?
tomriddle91
Hey maybe I should do heroin since it's so harmless to my mind
tomriddle91
Sure I'll keep looking for that good heroin user that hasn't robbed their family, committed assault, abused their family, and pretended to
jjsjosCreator
drugs don't make you an asshole , just magnify the shit parts of you
tomriddle91
Drugs magnify the shitty parts of you. Drugs sound pretty shitty
MaxieMooo
I know many people who partake in some drugs (none of the hard stuff, mostly weed/psychs/md) and theyre all really nice and friendly
MaxieMooo
Some people are assholes regardless of what theyre ingesting. Drugs arent necessarily bad, its who uses them and how/when you use them.
illegalacorn
i'm way funnier on drugs
jjsjosCreator
you sound fun without the drugs but im sure they don't hurt
tonalstates
I’m a better person because of drugs, no lie. No anxiety, no fear of death, new perspectives on reality.. man, I love drugs.
Harryteeters
I've worked on heroin and was the epitome of professionalism
tomriddle91
That guy also went home thinking he was the best thing to happen to this earth
JRen86
Because... he's an asshole
bigdickrick206
I can 100% guarantee you nobody likes you much either. Also, what kinda scab crew you on that had a dude on dope using nail guns?
tomriddle91
That would be the supervisor getting his supply from the guy