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Ivalicenyan
"But I'm angry now!"
AMLejane214
Who is this brainless 1mbecile
Arracor
I mean, literally all of that makes more sense for buying a gun than it does for getting an abortion, so.....
cactuskid1956
Yea but you know that will never happen
Animorphs
This is the host of Catfish. Good on you.
TheVoidFrog
So american, it hurts....
sandraleer
Yes. Listened to a great podcast (Criminal, episode: "The Doctors") that interviewed trauma surgeons who have worked after mass shootings. One said if we were actually able to see the horror of what gun violence does to bodies (especially childrens' bodies), there might be far less acceptance of assault weapons in society
zombiejedediah
"...gauntlet of people holding photos of individuals dead for all sorts of reasons".
But yes. You're right.
Abortion should be safe, accessible, free and legal. Because we know what happens if it's not.
mksu
Don't threaten me with a good time.
LondoMollari58
Because America is the country of gun care and health control.
PrfctDrk
Bought my first gun at Cabella's a few years ago. Did my background check and everything, was able to walk out like 15 mins later with it
4vie
Not American, no first-hand skin in the game... But yes, absolutely!
scootwhoman
Yes!
Darprice
Then, don’t let him have one, force him to go out of state and if he’s found to have done so, lock him in jail indefinitely.
thatwoodguy
Not a bad idea.....
rogue00ff
Sadly, the typical response from 2A 'enthusiasts' will simply be "meh."
IamnotSpartacuseither
This sounds like a fantastic idea
Slickdoodle
Sweet! So they aren't against it? Meh is a non-committal position. Let's do this.
ToSisPoS
Or a car. Or a marriage.
imgurianitarian
Or a child. These are a BIG responsibility too.
ToSisPoS
No lobby will fight to protect them however.
Marsupialmessiah
THIS.... THIS WILL DO IT! THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE!!! Vote blue all ballot. Even the sheriff, the school bus driver. All of them
Slickdoodle
Most assuredly the Sheriff.
Nalianna
Why are you voting for school bus drivers? Surely you can hire them based on their skillset?
Da3n
Stop comparing one set of bad laws to a different set of bad laws. The comparison implies that they should be legislated the same. That is the last thing you want on these 2 issues. Sure, there is a libertarian out there who thinks guns and abortions should be free to all, but most rational people want different approaches to these issues.
Huhwhatcrazy
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buddhafw
How is thinking that all people are born with natural rights that include body autonomy and the right to defend themselves not rational?
NebulaWhisper
why do you take this at face value? (he even proposed an ultrasound in the as*)... it's obvious it's a thought experiment to show insane it is
Slickdoodle
There is a very different way of thinking among people. I got this, you got this. He/she/they didn't. If we could get to the point that we could parse both perspectives, we'd be golden.
Da3n
Illuminate the perspective you fell he was trying to make for us. It reads plainly as "My thing is over regulated. I want my enemies to feel the pain of overregulation too...maybe even more because I don't like their issue!" It's the political equivalent of a rape threat....the "you ought to experience a horrible thing" attitude cuts against people who would rather see the horrible things eliminated.
charondaboatman
No offense, I understand your point….but there would be lines…..
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
Lines of people who don’t even want a gun but just the ultrasound?
Bonana
That's the only part I don't want D:
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
Doesn’t sound like a responsible gun owner to me. Sorry, no guns for you!
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Half the pushback from pro-gun folks is because the anti-gun folks keep boosting feels-good legislation that makes no or negative sense to them, like cosmetic bans and insurance. That gives the pro-gun folks the impression that the anti-gun folks are not serious about wanting results. There are a *lot* of rational gun owners out there that would support mandatory permitting/training/background checks at a minimum, and most quite a bit more, but it needs to make actual sense, not just feel good.
ZackWester
the problem is that currently we got two parties. the Republican that claim to be 2A lovers (they are not if they where why can´t I buy the exact same gun as the army whit all fire selector options fully auto, 2-3 round burst and so on. and the other party is 50/50 on it. problem is for this to get any where we need over 80% support in congress and as democratic and republican are somewhat close to 50/50 not going to happen. so a sensible gun law is put forth and then every single republican go
ZackWester
In order for this to pass forward I need to make 1 change to it and every single republican does there 1 change blocks it, basterize it again twice before leting it go to vote and passing it where by stuff like mandatory screening is gone, max 3 gun per household +1 per 18+ member, limit is now 300 guns per family (before there was none) (business and collectors and that have no limit) 2 month wating time is gone its now a 2 days wait for the paperwork for the first gun but only in 3 states.
crazaProblemStar
*cough* most of the pushback is because any form of rational gun control is seen as nothing more than the ranting of anti-gun folk.... step one in confirming that belief is to paint those who are wanting some kind of gun control to be "anti-gun" and insist that the legislation is just "feels-good legislation".
Also, just because it makes no sense to gun-nuts, doesn't mean it makes no sense...
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
I guess you missed the part where I specified several things that would actually help that they would support. "Those who want some kind of gun control" is a set that includes the rational pro-gun folk I'm referring to, so no, "Anti-gun" is the correct term. Insurance and cosmetic bans are just that, one will punish poor people only and will also never happen, the other does nothing except waste resources and boost gun purchases. You should see someone about that cough.
crazaProblemStar
No, I didn't miss that... did you miss the bit where the most vocal "pro-gun" groups are constantly shouting about how any form of gun control... ANY AT ALL... is rabidly anti-gun?
Why do you think that any attempt at rational gun control is so solidly shot down? It's not because they just waste resources and do nothing.... it's because, to gun-nuts, gun control of any kind is anti-gun, and has been for years now... and the propaganda grind from gun groups like the NRA...
crazaProblemStar
... has constantly ramped up the fear that "they're coming for your guns!!"
You describe a reasonable and rational take on things.. I'm describing the reality of the groups with the social power on the subject.
I'll see someone about the cough, when rational gun control is no longer seen as "anti-gun" by a huge section of the US. Until then, I'll keep on pointing out how idealistic your kind of statement is.
PutThePRNDLinD
Liability insurance...
AntaNce
And No insurance without proof of valid training and hours spent at a shooting range.
BikeCookie
While I like the idea, I have no desire to give that greedy industry another penny.
Swordguy
...will do nothing to combat deliberate gun violence. The insurance industry answered this question years ago. They *cannot* provide liability insurance for gun owners to stop gun violence, because insurance cannot cover an intentionally illegal act. It can cover an *accidental* discharge, but it cannot cover a deliberate action by the gun owner (or a thief, if the gun was stolen). Requiring this liability insurance - which cannot be provided - would constitute a de facto ban on gun ownership.
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FlyingButtPliers
Police need it too. My plumber, doctor, dentist, mechanic, etc all have insurance in case they fuck up. Police need to be bonded and insured just like any other profession that has the possibility of harming those they work with.
Wolfshead009
How about a review board like the lawyers bar association?
ChunkySmoothie
DeviousWay
Fun fact, during the Revolutionary War, only 10% of the gunpowder used was made in the USA.
Slickdoodle
And your point?
DeviousWay
We should have limited ammo sales. Buy all the guns you want, but you can’t get the ammo. :)
Zyiadem
3d printed, and Open source ammunition projects already exist. Nitrocellulose can be easily manufactured at home, US steel is high enough quality to produce a firearm at home, as are the skill-sets of average construction workers to manufacture them. Cats way outta the bag there.
Slickdoodle
I'd imagine that it's much harder to produce blasting caps and the gunpowder necessary for ammunition at home.
Zyiadem
Match-heads red and white parts powdered together(carefully) Caps can be removed and recycled from spent shell casings, nitrocellulose replaces Smokeless powder as firearms have not used gunpowder for quite some time. Likewise hobbyist reloaders are not rare.
If you made any of the processes illegal the only benefit would be to "For Profit" prisons.
Wealthy people will hire armed security, Police are not required to protect us (Uvalde proves) so why would we give up our equalizers?