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BackToTheOriginalUsername
That will widely varie from country to country, and even in different schools. Here in france, in my public school, persia was as taught as ancient greece.
We even had history lesson on the big asian and pre-colombian american empire.
A friend of mine, same city and period, but different public shcool, had barely any on ancient greece, none on non Mediterranean empire and many on european empire (mostly roman, british, french and spanish).
MelfsAcidArrow
I mean I learned about Ancient Greece, Rome, Persia, Phoenicia, and so many others. Thanks to Sid Meyers.
HenryLongfellowIII
It was interesting to find that the local language (i.e. not Russian) in Tajikistan (which borders China) is mutually intelligible with the Farsi they speak in Iran.
Aranon1183
Why do people use "woman" as both singular and plural now? It's irritating!
christheblizz
As a Swede getting general education in the 90s, we didn't hear much about this either but history was always questioned so I never trusted the history to be true true. Afterwards I read up a lot and found some to be probably true, some to be false and some to be up to debate.
History doesn't say what is right or wrong but it teaches us what was and schoolbooks tend to be lazy in that front imo. The ottomans were too big to filter out but I had the tools to see and feel that I myself needed more
MostAwesomeDan
As my AP Euro History teacher drilled into my entire graduating class (even those of us who didn't take her class):
History doesn't happen in a vacuum.
gerbabbel
I cannot say anything about the American education system.
But in Europe it was required for higher education (and still is very common) to actually learn Latin, read Roman texts and learn the Graeco-Latin culture.
Latin used to be the defacto lingua-franca of Europe for the last two millennia.
It makes sense that the Graeco-Latin culture is so much more well known in the west simply by being the direct historical basis for our culture.
tollerscream
We learn about Persia in Canada. I believe I learned about most ancient cultures that have written history of some kind, and even some that don't? I was a curious child though so I can't say for sure whether that was in the public curriculum or from my own study. I dunno how anyone can learn Greek history without Persian history though considering all their interactions with each other in many major Greek events and wars.
TheFastpaws
Me and my brother were sponges for history. Nobody at school wanted to talk about it though.
MidnaDS
Why did people in Ancient Greece never question why it was called Ancient Greece even though it was today at the time?
torquemada
I cannot give a flying fuck about the past. I live in the present, and today, I do not want to live in Persia/Iran. I would like to live in Italy or Greece.
TheBlueMuppet
Burgerking Foot Lettyeass cadence?
davemUnderscoreOr
They spent millennia building the Persia brand and then some CEO with his head up his ass goes and changes it to Iran. Of course, people will lose track of Persia
BionicOpossum
It was always Iran, Westerners called it Persia. The people were the Pars, where modern day Fars province in Iran is. Greeks liked adding their "ian" to groups, and then it shifted with with time and Latin. Iran quite literally means "Land of the Aryans" and it is what it was called by its peoples for thousands of years.
L1ttl3J1m
What the hell is with that speaking cadence? Did he learn English from an AI?
domillomew
worse, he learned it from social media.
Iaimtomisbehave
Even though Timur stomped on the area really hard, the Persian and other near Eastern scholars were the main reason a lot of knowledge wasn't lost during the "Dark Ages".
JarJarBinksKisser
Its like Disco. It didn’t die randomly one day for no reason. It was killed because Disco was the music of the colored & gay. https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aTFoZjVncTBsZDVnMm1uZzV3eThhc3F1bHNkcWk4N2t2emt6cjN6MiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/rHl8n4mRVaLSg/200w.webp
LordHosk
He is dead on correct about Persia
However he is dead wrong about Carthage. The only reason we hear about Carthage is because of the late era rivalry with the burgeoning Roman empire with the Punic wars.
Carthage was a trading empire that had spheres of influence and outposts but didn't truly dominate the region. They were never "almost Rome" they were barely a rival of Rome when Rome was in its infancy. Thats not Roman bias they were at a huge geographic and societal disadvantage.
crateo
Carthage sucked way more than Rome, and that's saying something.
jappie348
Its really crazy how history lessons up to high schools are always about dinosaurs, romans, hitler. Theres so much interesting stuff out there
Eidodk
This is a PERFECT example of US education. There's nothing more telling, than US citizens online boasting about world history beginning with the founding of the US nation. You have fundamentalist christian nationals in the US, who thinks that the European settlers who pillaged and murdered the indigenous people are the true natives. The US whitewash their own history, while also leaving out everything important from the old world.
FrancsTireur
I mean the thing about Carthage we cant really help because of how complete the destruction was, but we know huge amounts about ancient Persia, so as a european im inclined to think this is more a US problem.
He also loses points with me for not bothering to distinguish between the different versions of the Persian empire because by the time of Rome, the old classical Persian empire was basically gone and the Parthian empire which also began in a part of modern day Iran was on the rise.
Valharroth
I mean to be fair few people distinguish between "ancient" x era. Be that Rome, Egypt, China etc etc
FrancsTireur
The classical history major in me is deeply offended :p
I dunno, im not able to put myself in that mindset, they are too distinct in my mind.
vericon151
Why we never hear….
Go collage, get better history classes. Now you will hear of them.
Why never hear jn high school?… ffs they can’t even teach US history correctly.
Yasashii93
Can confirm that in my EU country there’s also plenty of Rome and Greece stuff in history textbooks. Persia is mentioned but mainly in the context of having been powerful but eventually conquered. Carthage? I don’t think that was mentioned at all. Only other ancient civilization that was briefly mentioned was Sumer.
I also felt salty that there was very little about Asian countries. Japan is mentioned, obviously, but China? Barely anything.
hsalonen3000
We still prefer Arabic numbers to Greek numbers.
bobkater
The reason we don't hear so much about ancient Persia is that, unlike Greece and Rome, it left no written documents. But my question is, if Iranians are so proud about it, why did they change its name?
Tragopan
Maybe it's because I'm history obsessed but I've heard about ancient Persia quite a lot. For those that dive into history the Persians and Greeks have a lot of overlap, including generals. Greeks became obsessed with Persia after they were invited to partake in a Persian governor's uprising and learned about all the nice things Persia had. Trade flourished. Anatolia and Mesopotamia are regions with deep layers of history from multiple peoples, empires and events.
Tragopan
And this is as an American. My world history classes and mythology classes were not eurocentric or hellenic focused. It's what inspired my love of history along with strategy games and Dynasty Warriors.
InfocalypseRising
this guy never saw 300 apparently
shinoharaliz
He directly referenced 300 in the video
bamblebimble
This guy didnt watch very much of this video
barbarian818
According to ancient Greeks, anyone who couldn't speak Greek was a barbarian. Because allegedly their speech was just "bar barbar barbar bar" . Kind of like the modern day "Asians all speak ching chong". Now having read that, re-read my user name.
Redshadow09
So nothing changed much as its just like in America where they see Hispanics or anyone that does speak English as inferior
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Asking a question nobody asked, then filling it in with a bullshit take seems popular these days. Why didn’t YOU hear about Ancient Persia? I don’t know. Maybe your school sucked. Maybe your teachers sucked. Maybe you sucked. I remember learning about them, Babylon, the Sumerians, Phoenicians, Acadians etc etc.
MrStealUrMeme
Yeah, cause he was specifically talking to you and only you.
domillomew
you're so smart and well educated perhaps I can teach you something new. not everyone has the same experiences as you. like your post is so close to understanding it but something is preventing you from getting there man. hope this resonates
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Nah. It doesn’t. Not a single bit. It’s the opposite of resonate. What you’re saying isn’t new to me. It’s old. It’s BORING. Here’s why. It’s him saying “you’re not hearing about this because history in this country has a Eurocentric and western bias.” He’s right, it does. But the subject of ancient Persia is taught and readily available to tons of people. There are three reasons for you not hearing about it: maybe your school sucked. Maybe your teacher sucked. Maybe you suck.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Hope this resonates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire_(disambiguation)
Owl2017
I think we can enjoy the history of persia without having to throw shade at the romans
Iftheyredeadtheyrejusthookers
unfortunately teaching history, especially primary school through secondary, is a zero-sum game. To include more content, other content must be removed.
Owl2017
Learning and sharing knowledge is not a zero sum game that's one where the more the better for everyone
18booma
Can you discuss the positives of modern Chinese politics without throwing shade on the US empire?
Owl2017
Yeah and I'm sure many books do too
crateo
Mainly because they never interactedwith each other, but with the Parthians.
swedeonamoose
Tbf there were A LOT of great ancient civilizations so fitting them all and doing them justice in history classes would be very hard.
Hangonthere
This sounds american.
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
We started American history from 1776 about three times over my school years. There was plenty of time for other countries and ages, the US just don't want kids to learn about other countries and ages. History here is "'Murrica good, the civil war freed everybody and there were no problems after, we won WW2, the end."
NoTeEnchiles
Actually laughed out loud.
MrSpookywasagoodboy2
That's a big load of bullshit you just shoveled
Evi1Gav
This is the important bit. In the UK we learned about the Romans, because they invaded and controlled the country for centuries. Ancient Greece was barely mentioned, beyond Pythagoras.
swedeonamoose
In sweden it is a lot of our ancient history from stoneage to now, rome, greece and about the 1500-1800s since yea a lot went down in europe around that time, a little bit about egypt, think the closest to others being mentioned was religion in the gymnasium