Ed O'Neill nails it. The guy is money in the bank. I even liked his short run as Joe Friday in the Dragnet remake. Put him in league with Tom Hanks and Daniel Day Lewis. It goes w/o saying his prototype iconic sitcom dad Al Bundy, but Modern Family exhibits his subtlety. A real journeyman actor.
The first things about my now husband that caught my attention were his cheeky but good-natured smirk and green eyes. What kept my attention was his confidence, the conversation, and that he felt like a safe space to be myself.
Last girl I dated thought it was super sexy when I brought my friend's ski boat gently to dock without needing to course-correct. Hadn't driven a boat in nearly a decade.
I walked into a room after a rainy new years eve with just my boxers (pants were soaked from the rain) on and put my leg on a table and started pelvic thrusting at a girl and a friend of mine while chanting, "You thrust your pelvis HUH!" She'd never seen duckman but still thought I was funny. We kissed later that night, and that was almost 20 years ago now. Looks are nice I'm sure, but personality matters.
"Do you want to join me in the shower?" "Honey, there's a gun in the foot locker in our room. If I ever say no to that question, I want you to take it and shoot me with it."
My wife, who is very controlling of every aspect of our marriage and life, said she absolutely loved how in control and in charge of life and situations I was before we got married, and wishes I'd be like that more. If you can figure out how that's supposed to work, please let me know lol
She is scared. She wants help to control everything, but she can't let go before someone else is in charge and no one can get in charge because she can't let go. Gently but forcefully remove her from small situations you are sure you can handle and do not allow her to intervene. Try and tell me what happens. Or not. I'm just a random guy on the interwebs.
I am not handy in the slightest. I can destroy Legos trying to fix something made out of them.
But I can take a sack of fresh groceries (not boxes & packets) and feed you, and while it won't be gourmet, it won't be bad, either. And I rock the hell out of the "Be Nice, until it's time NOT to be Nice" approach to dealing with shitty customer service.
I am not handy in the slightest. I can destroy Legos trying to fix something made out of them.
But I can take a sack of fresh groceries (not boxes & packets) and feed you, and while it won't be gourmet, it won't be bad, either. And I rock the hell out of the "Be Nice, until it's time NOT to be Nice" approach to dealing with shitty customer service.
I love akward little weirdos. Breaking through their barriers (and them through mine if we are being honest) and getting to be one of the few to really know them is such a treat. You're worth it
I seduced my SO of 4 years now by finding out their super special interests/hyper fixation from our very good mutual friend, then asking them about it. Over the next few months I learned so much of the megaman and megaman x lore, and have seen just about every game, including many a side game. along with both of use sharing thise sorts of things back and forth. Humans love telling and hearing stories, your words are more important than you might think.
My husband is hot as hell. I still would have married him if I were blind. Funny, charming, endearing, a hell of a good time AND handy! Shit at taking out the garbage though haha. That's okay. He likes my cooking and is wicked smart.
A woman must have things done a particular way, a man must have things done so as to not waste effort. Taking out the garbage when you don't also have another reason to go outside? Madness! That's like starting the car and driving to the petrol station ONLY to fill up with petrol then driving home :P
It was supposed to be in the morning on his way to work. We could see the dumpster from our apartment. It was the only thing I ever asked him to do. He apologized since (he was a tough emotional egg to crack) and explained it was a latent upbringing thing. His parents were shitty basically
I use the blind thing a lot also no joke, if they had some horrific burn accident that mangled their face / hair body, WOULD STILL NEED TO LOVE YOUR PARTNER because you love THEM not what they do for you
He has ALS and is slowly deteriorating and I'm his caretaker. I love him even though I do pretty much everything, feed him, bathe him, dress him, brush his teeth etc. I love him for who he is and his beautiful heart.
that's kinda the most beautiful thing do you guys have all the support you need? ALS is Lou Gerrig disease yeah? hope he retains purpose all the way through and through (which I have been told is the hardest part)
Yep. It's Lou Gehrig's disease. He's young and strong, so it's slow. Limb onset so it started on his hands and arms. His speech and swallowing is ok so far, but he can only walk a couple of steps. Right now we're okay. We bought a house with my parents and my siblings are close by, so hopefully we'll be ok. 💜 Thank you for asking
Here he is being silly while we were in a restaurant in the Bahamas. This is somewhat early into his ALS diagnosis, so he lost some muscle, but I wouldn't trade him for anything 💜💜💜
💕 Mine was all that and took the garbage out, cleaned without asking, cooked me incredible food everyday, wrote me poetry, made me music, and built us furniture - just a true renaissance man. Hardest thing I ever did to call it quits
The things I loved about him had their flipsides too. He is hyper-independent, and avoidantly attached. He is also 8 years older. All that made him dismissive of me at times, esp. emotionally. We started having drawn out arguments, which hurt our emotional connection. I started a company, he insisted on running it with me, we ended up clashing more. After 6 years of being together, I couldn’t do it anymore. Been separated for 1.5 years and he doesn’t want to let go
Sounds like you made the right call, even if it's never easy to leave someone you love. Some of what you describe sounds quite immature, especially from an older partner. Insisting on running your company together seems particularly like a red flag. Hope you find the right person for you someday, and until then, I hope you have good luck with your business and many happy days.
All these incels getting lost in despair measuring their cheek bone dimensions and ratios. It's not about that at all. Women aren't attracted to men in the same way we are to women. Guys, do you remember when you were kids, how much you looked up to your favorite superhero? THAT is the feeling a woman wants to feel when she looks at a man. THAT is the feeling of female attraction. Admiration. Not for beauty, but for the whole aura of the person. Become someone worth admiring.
I keep trying to tell the fellas the advice they get from other guys for attracting women doesn't really work. They keep setting themselves up for the Male Gaze (obscene musculature, aggression, domination, etc.) when they should be aiming for the Female Gaze (approachability, charm, wit, safety). Yes, keeping healthy is important, but there are plenty of funny guys with dad bods who do just fine. Put on the comfortable shirt and have a friendly smile.
I try to give the same advice. Be a safe port in a storm, but this advice often needs more explaining so it doesn't get misunderstood as "be an aggressive alpha who punches perceived threats in the throat", but "someone that you can 100% trust to always be there to support you, and who makes your daily life easier". And I absolutely agree with the wit/humour as well (not the prank bro or being mean or sarcastic, but the kind that brings unexpected joy and dares to be silly). The Sam Gamgee!
A problem arises however when people are telling young men who become Incels, that it is about there appearance etc. quite often. The brain is far from developed by 18 and it takes a lot for the young to be able to see more abstract futures.
If you are honest and tell young guys that their dating issues are stemming from their shitty behavior and immature views, you lose your audience. Keep telling them that good women play hard to get, and the ones that don't are beneath you. Tell them they need to have ridiculous high standards in a woman's appearance to lower their chances even further. Give them bad advice and they get even more desperate and willing to spend money. If you actually solve their problem, you lose a customer.
My point was more so that during that age, men are not told often it's personality etc. A lot of times there first experience with rejection couples with pain, starting it all. I am not blaming either side in this, just that at that age that is what is happening to instill these internal issues.
Most incels have gotten their heart broken at some point, usually in their teens or early twenties, no doubt. Just sad that nowadays so many people pray on hurt young men as a demographic and stoke the flames. It's hurting both men and women.
I THINK that's what attracts people to Star Trek characters. Beyond the fact they're usually conventionally attractive, is the fact that they are competent and try to do the right thing.
That’s how I knew my marriage was over. He was always so big to me (physically he wasn’t big at all but he seemed big and sturdy based on personality and presence). I remember the day he stopped looking big for me and I realised then that it was over.
I think the issue many men find themselves in is in the shift towards dating apps where long-term commitment is not favoured and all that other stuff is invisible. Both men and women should be avoiding those at all costs and out there volunteering, pursuing hobbies, or whatever else to meet people in person so they can actually get to know one another.
Mine had, for his whole profile: "Pleasant person seeking same. Not an arsonist." And he looked like a college professor with his salt and pepper beard. He is funny, kind, mechanically inclined, and so good to me.
I think that kinda proves the point. You had nothing to go off of except his looks, and you got lucky. The vast majority of men will not even be seen on a dating app and long-term attraction occurs beyond physical attraction.
I didn't mean become someone you're not. I meant be the best version of yourself you can be, and someone will find that that version of yourself to be admirable.
Fucking THIS!!!! I honestly thought my husband was kinda goofy-looking when we met, but I fell in love with him anyway because he had PERSONALITY. He was funny and kind and smart and genuinely fun to talk to and spend time with. He's an electrician, so he knows how to help me fix stuff around the house. He's sweet to animals and kids. He's the first to volunteer to help my mom when she needs a new appliance installed. And his looks grew on me VERY fast once I saw what kind of person he was.
That's reductive of both women and superheroes. Batman is brooding, emotionally unavailable, and rich. Superman is a polite sweetheart with traditional values. Spider-Man is intelligent, quick-witted, and dirt poor. Different women are into all kinds of different men. Women who look to date don't give a shit about how "admirable" you are, because guys who get a lot of admiration often stray - just look at most celebrities. Most women just want to be treated nicely and feel safe, above all else.
Like, think about famous people who are widely admired by guys... Let's take Arnie and Dave Grohl, both pretty admirable dudes, both of them cheated on their wives and fathered children out of wedlock. Most women rather want to date a guy who genuinely cares about and respects them than a super cool guy who fucks around on them, hands down. They want an equal to connect with, not someone to put on a pedestal and admire. Exceptions exist, but since we're generalizing, this is how it largely goes.
Too many guys think that they have to become the kind of man who gets a lot of female attention, but that's just stuff you do for your own ego. You actually need to build the skills that make you a good partner to a woman, not just work on attracting them. The goal is a mutual connection, not dazzling someone with how awesome you are.
You can make her come 13 times on the 1st date, but that only lasts for so long. You need personality, and being handy, and having a proper job, and taking showers, and so many other things.
Here's the thing: with the right tool (for less than $50), women can satify their own sexual needs. Most women (long-term) are looking for other things, to be honest.
As a man who is quite a bit larger and stronger than most women, I have zero desire to dominate anyone. Any guy I know worth his salt feels the same way. The desire to dominate is for weak cowards. Do you know what the most defining trait of leaders in animal packs would be? It's not dominance, it's the desire to take care of the tribe, to make sure everyone is ok.
Also as a kid I didn't look up to superheroes because they could dominate me, it was because I was in awe of what they could do.
Okay, but what does any of this have to do with your ideas about the differences between men and women? I think women are just as capable of being good leaders (and just as capable of being bad leaders, of course) as men, and I personally know women one could be "in awe" of for their strength and personal accomplishments. (As far as I know, all of them in reasonably happy relationships, too.)
Why do you find this gross? I don't mind saying that I won't date a man who is smaller or weaker than I am. This isn't a trope, it's how most women actually think and feel. You're also conflating male physical prowess with domination which is incorrect. Most women don't want to be dominated, they want to feel safe. Big difference.
Although it is kind of disheartening to hear you say "women aren't attracted to men in the same way we are to women". Because it means the not-so-handsome guys have a better chance than the not-so-pretty women.
To to be clear, I wasn't saying I think women have to be runway models to be super hot. I wasn't even implying that men go for pure physical beauty while women don't, just that men tend to be attracted to a different kind of thing than women. I think women want to admire a man, and I think men want to be with a woman who exudes femininity. Mysterious, playful, vivacious, fun, satisfied with life, CONFIDENT. Most guys would rather be with a woman like that than a model who is boring.
It's true though. Not-so-handsome men can still be useful, charming, witty, kind, etc. There will be a woman out there who wants that. If you're a not-so-pretty woman, good luck. The world has decided you're an untouchable ogre.
Let me be real here... there is no concept of ugly woman. For most men, women are on a scale from 5 to 10, whereas the other way round, it goes from 0 to 10. The points are awarded for different merits, true, but there are many, many, many unfuckable guys out there. And for good reasons xD.
Yeah, I experienced this sensation firsthand at college. One girl, just nice looking, but super awesome personality became infinitely more attractive to me than this other girl, who was gorgeous, but very intellectually non-curious, and she suddenly became much less attractive.
Absolutely. I'd pick the "nice looking" girl who is awesome over the boring supermodel any day of the week. I've dated models like that and believe me... the best parts of those relationships are very temporary. Once the initial thrill wears off and you settle into just getting used to them, it's just like dating anybody else, which means if they're boring, the whole relationship is boring.
Nightshift603
Ed O'Neill nails it. The guy is money in the bank. I even liked his short run as Joe Friday in the Dragnet remake. Put him in league with Tom Hanks and Daniel Day Lewis. It goes w/o saying his prototype iconic sitcom dad Al Bundy, but Modern Family exhibits his subtlety. A real journeyman actor.
Darklinkinfinite
The four touchdowns in a single game also don’t hurt
senzykyo3004
I love that al bundy got his happy ending
MechanicalRomance
Ignore
SocialAnxietyPixie
Melania near Gavin Newsom....
Righteousdew
Have you considered cropping your videos before posting?
PinkEater
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
He’s not done drilling yet, apparently
Littledirtybirdyfeet
The first things about my now husband that caught my attention were his cheeky but good-natured smirk and green eyes. What kept my attention was his confidence, the conversation, and that he felt like a safe space to be myself.
kerBamf
Last girl I dated thought it was super sexy when I brought my friend's ski boat gently to dock without needing to course-correct. Hadn't driven a boat in nearly a decade.
CyberHexx
If they don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
2hands
Competent confidence is THE best.
AK90
Meanwhile I have enough combined skills to build my own fucking HOUSE, where them ladies at?
levoflax
Okay. But. What us she eating?
gth0824
Marshmallows
GreatOdinsTaint
I dunno about the yelling at service workers on the phone part...
TheOneWhoWasLeft
Let's imagine he's yelling at the inept, money-grubbing manager instead.
GreatOdinsTaint
Sounds good to me
CedricDur
The best compliment my ex gave me was that her cheeks were sore from smiling so much when I was with her.
zFUBARz
I walked into a room after a rainy new years eve with just my boxers (pants were soaked from the rain) on and put my leg on a table and started pelvic thrusting at a girl and a friend of mine while chanting, "You thrust your pelvis HUH!" She'd never seen duckman but still thought I was funny. We kissed later that night, and that was almost 20 years ago now. Looks are nice I'm sure, but personality matters.
zFUBARz
Probably should have phrased that as And we've been together for almost 20 years now.
BlackCatSerenade99900
Sheeyit- Gloria is SO right, that shit is so hot. Panties go flying if the house gets cleaned without me asking.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
naww, that's low bar bs, tho. :/ Why do you need to ask? Is he your teenaged son?
BlackCatSerenade99900
I've worked with hundreds of woman over the years- most women do have to ask unfortunately.
mrsparkle001
We all know the real reason why though
Apollymkatistrafia
My husband is my lifeline, and keeps me sane, and keeps me from turning into a workaholic like my dad.
unluckyandbored
"Do you want to join me in the shower?" "Honey, there's a gun in the foot locker in our room. If I ever say no to that question, I want you to take it and shoot me with it."
rockstarjesus
If the ladies don't find ya handsome, they should at least find you handy!
TheOneWhoWasLeft
No. If they find you handy, they WILL find you handsome.
TheDisembodiedFloatingHeadOfEdwardGRobinson
Wait until she hears about his high school football career.
Hellbat666
LEGEND!!!
Magjee
RelartOfGivia
And he's a black belt jiujitsu practitioner under the Gracies
Grurim
My wife, who is very controlling of every aspect of our marriage and life, said she absolutely loved how in control and in charge of life and situations I was before we got married, and wishes I'd be like that more. If you can figure out how that's supposed to work, please let me know lol
Idonotkillpeoplethatismyleastfavoritethingtodo
She is scared. She wants help to control everything, but she can't let go before someone else is in charge and no one can get in charge because she can't let go. Gently but forcefully remove her from small situations you are sure you can handle and do not allow her to intervene. Try and tell me what happens. Or not. I'm just a random guy on the interwebs.
Arcanum3000
Nightshift603
This mthrfkr right here. Red Green is the MAN.
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Thedirtyhood
same! imma just accept imma die alone but man i would love company on the deck watching the sun go down. Oh well, next life maybe.
macgerdo
"You like smoking weed and playing games in an attempt to fill the void that is our existence.... together?" There, I tried.
or0b0ur0s
I am not handy in the slightest. I can destroy Legos trying to fix something made out of them.
But I can take a sack of fresh groceries (not boxes & packets) and feed you, and while it won't be gourmet, it won't be bad, either. And I rock the hell out of the "Be Nice, until it's time NOT to be Nice" approach to dealing with shitty customer service.
echoawoo
and hey you're me and I am you
or0b0ur0s
I am not handy in the slightest. I can destroy Legos trying to fix something made out of them.
But I can take a sack of fresh groceries (not boxes & packets) and feed you, and while it won't be gourmet, it won't be bad, either. And I rock the hell out of the "Be Nice, until it's time NOT to be Nice" approach to dealing with shitty customer service.
ifyoutakemeseriouslythatsonyou
And...?! Is it working for you?
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SidneyMajora
*takes notes*
yuugian
Is that "The Barnacle"?
MsQuin
I love akward little weirdos. Breaking through their barriers (and them through mine if we are being honest) and getting to be one of the few to really know them is such a treat. You're worth it
Asadsadsadclown
The best I can do is a synopsis of the entire lore of Warhammer 40k.
MsQuin
I seduced my SO of 4 years now by finding out their super special interests/hyper fixation from our very good mutual friend, then asking them about it. Over the next few months I learned so much of the megaman and megaman x lore, and have seen just about every game, including many a side game. along with both of use sharing thise sorts of things back and forth. Humans love telling and hearing stories, your words are more important than you might think.
Asadsadsadclown
Nothing gets people going more than a detailed account of the Maverick wars.
MsQuin
IIikethecutofyourjib
My husband is hot as hell. I still would have married him if I were blind. Funny, charming, endearing, a hell of a good time AND handy! Shit at taking out the garbage though haha. That's okay. He likes my cooking and is wicked smart.
ronnyhugo
A woman must have things done a particular way, a man must have things done so as to not waste effort. Taking out the garbage when you don't also have another reason to go outside? Madness! That's like starting the car and driving to the petrol station ONLY to fill up with petrol then driving home :P
IIikethecutofyourjib
It was supposed to be in the morning on his way to work. We could see the dumpster from our apartment. It was the only thing I ever asked him to do. He apologized since (he was a tough emotional egg to crack) and explained it was a latent upbringing thing. His parents were shitty basically
DickInAToaster
netutoring
One of my few talents is I can do a great impression of Red.
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
*whikat smaht"
IHaveABigTruckBecauseMyCockIsTiny
I'm glad we heard it the same way
TacosAreDelicious
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
DOET
duckytherabbit
Being your spouse's biggest fan is a great look.
aPokal
Have you tried to let him redo your trashcan setup and overcomplicate it? So that it is "a machine" to operate.
DoakMD
Emma is that you? Oh sorry, I thought my wife had joined Imgur without telling me.
GotBannedOnThe29th
Howlingowl
I heard “Wicked smart” in Matt Damon’s voice from Good Will Hunting
VincitQuiSeVincit
My husband is hot as hell too. I especially love when he crushes his enemies, sees them driven before him and hears the lamentations of their women.
KuroFluff
I've heard that that's the best in life <3
svga
I use the blind thing a lot
also no joke, if they had some horrific burn accident that mangled their face / hair body, WOULD STILL NEED TO LOVE YOUR PARTNER because you love THEM not what they do for you
IIikethecutofyourjib
He has ALS and is slowly deteriorating and I'm his caretaker. I love him even though I do pretty much everything, feed him, bathe him, dress him, brush his teeth etc. I love him for who he is and his beautiful heart.
svga
that's kinda the most beautiful thing
do you guys have all the support you need? ALS is Lou Gerrig disease yeah?
hope he retains purpose all the way through and through (which I have been told is the hardest part)
IIikethecutofyourjib
Yep. It's Lou Gehrig's disease. He's young and strong, so it's slow. Limb onset so it started on his hands and arms. His speech and swallowing is ok so far, but he can only walk a couple of steps. Right now we're okay. We bought a house with my parents and my siblings are close by, so hopefully we'll be ok. 💜 Thank you for asking
IdRatherBeOnThePlaystation
I would love to hear my wife say something like this about me, unfortunately we are repressed English people and the best I get is a well done.
DoomyDoomyDoom
I also chose this person's husband.
elvianempire
https://imgur.com/1sFJVB5
DamnedIfYouDo
Uhhh...are you in our room watching Abbott Elementary right now?
threepotatoesinatrenchcoat
Let's see some pics!
IIikethecutofyourjib
Here he is being silly while we were in a restaurant in the Bahamas. This is somewhat early into his ALS diagnosis, so he lost some muscle, but I wouldn't trade him for anything 💜💜💜
IzzyB13337
Adorable! Congrats to you, internet stranger. Keep him smiling
threepotatoesinatrenchcoat
Total babe! Way to marry up.
arpsalott
💕 Mine was all that and took the garbage out, cleaned without asking, cooked me incredible food everyday, wrote me poetry, made me music, and built us furniture - just a true renaissance man. Hardest thing I ever did to call it quits
linkdude212
I gotta ask why
tallyhoho
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aloharamada
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arpsalott
The things I loved about him had their flipsides too. He is hyper-independent, and avoidantly attached. He is also 8 years older. All that made him dismissive of me at times, esp. emotionally. We started having drawn out arguments, which hurt our emotional connection. I started a company, he insisted on running it with me, we ended up clashing more. After 6 years of being together, I couldn’t do it anymore. Been separated for 1.5 years and he doesn’t want to let go
aloharamada
Sounds like you made the right call, even if it's never easy to leave someone you love. Some of what you describe sounds quite immature, especially from an older partner. Insisting on running your company together seems particularly like a red flag. Hope you find the right person for you someday, and until then, I hope you have good luck with your business and many happy days.
TheGgreen100
All these incels getting lost in despair measuring their cheek bone dimensions and ratios. It's not about that at all. Women aren't attracted to men in the same way we are to women. Guys, do you remember when you were kids, how much you looked up to your favorite superhero? THAT is the feeling a woman wants to feel when she looks at a man. THAT is the feeling of female attraction. Admiration. Not for beauty, but for the whole aura of the person. Become someone worth admiring.
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
I keep trying to tell the fellas the advice they get from other guys for attracting women doesn't really work. They keep setting themselves up for the Male Gaze (obscene musculature, aggression, domination, etc.) when they should be aiming for the Female Gaze (approachability, charm, wit, safety). Yes, keeping healthy is important, but there are plenty of funny guys with dad bods who do just fine. Put on the comfortable shirt and have a friendly smile.
mouthfullofpebbles
I try to give the same advice. Be a safe port in a storm, but this advice often needs more explaining so it doesn't get misunderstood as "be an aggressive alpha who punches perceived threats in the throat", but "someone that you can 100% trust to always be there to support you, and who makes your daily life easier". And I absolutely agree with the wit/humour as well (not the prank bro or being mean or sarcastic, but the kind that brings unexpected joy and dares to be silly). The Sam Gamgee!
nothingunused
Beauty isn't going to last. Do not use that as a major criterion for a match.
Dreypen
A problem arises however when people are telling young men who become Incels, that it is about there appearance etc. quite often. The brain is far from developed by 18 and it takes a lot for the young to be able to see more abstract futures.
aloharamada
If you are honest and tell young guys that their dating issues are stemming from their shitty behavior and immature views, you lose your audience. Keep telling them that good women play hard to get, and the ones that don't are beneath you. Tell them they need to have ridiculous high standards in a woman's appearance to lower their chances even further. Give them bad advice and they get even more desperate and willing to spend money. If you actually solve their problem, you lose a customer.
Dreypen
My point was more so that during that age, men are not told often it's personality etc. A lot of times there first experience with rejection couples with pain, starting it all. I am not blaming either side in this, just that at that age that is what is happening to instill these internal issues.
aloharamada
Most incels have gotten their heart broken at some point, usually in their teens or early twenties, no doubt. Just sad that nowadays so many people pray on hurt young men as a demographic and stoke the flames. It's hurting both men and women.
Dreypen
Oh 100%. It's victims all around sadly.
netutoring
I THINK that's what attracts people to Star Trek characters. Beyond the fact they're usually conventionally attractive, is the fact that they are competent and try to do the right thing.
PigleythePig
That’s how I knew my marriage was over. He was always so big to me (physically he wasn’t big at all but he seemed big and sturdy based on personality and presence). I remember the day he stopped looking big for me and I realised then that it was over.
wtfylat
This is just a different flavour of generalised shite.
GTimgur
I think the issue many men find themselves in is in the shift towards dating apps where long-term commitment is not favoured and all that other stuff is invisible. Both men and women should be avoiding those at all costs and out there volunteering, pursuing hobbies, or whatever else to meet people in person so they can actually get to know one another.
DutchBoeremeisie
Yup. My sister suggested using a dating app to find a guy, but seeing how she used hers has put me off it completely. Incredibly superficial.
paullyboy1999
I'm to the point with dating apps I would rather stuff my testicles into the garbage disposal than log in ever again.
ColleenMarie
Mine had, for his whole profile: "Pleasant person seeking same. Not an arsonist." And he looked like a college professor with his salt and pepper beard. He is funny, kind, mechanically inclined, and so good to me.
GTimgur
I think that kinda proves the point. You had nothing to go off of except his looks, and you got lucky. The vast majority of men will not even be seen on a dating app and long-term attraction occurs beyond physical attraction.
dreammer243
Men can be attracted to woman from admiration too.
dreammer243
Obviously trying to say not admiration of beauty.
ProgeriaProstitutes
No don't try to become someone else just because it appeals to women. Be your authentic self.
TheGgreen100
I didn't mean become someone you're not. I meant be the best version of yourself you can be, and someone will find that that version of yourself to be admirable.
LateNightBunnyParty
Fucking THIS!!!! I honestly thought my husband was kinda goofy-looking when we met, but I fell in love with him anyway because he had PERSONALITY. He was funny and kind and smart and genuinely fun to talk to and spend time with. He's an electrician, so he knows how to help me fix stuff around the house. He's sweet to animals and kids. He's the first to volunteer to help my mom when she needs a new appliance installed. And his looks grew on me VERY fast once I saw what kind of person he was.
insertwittyjoke
Holy shit - my husband is also a goofy looking electrician! There are dozens of us!
bunnyishungry
I want to be at your party!
LateNightBunnyParty
Hacksaw welcomes all (except fascists. Cuz fuck fascists.)
aloharamada
That's reductive of both women and superheroes. Batman is brooding, emotionally unavailable, and rich. Superman is a polite sweetheart with traditional values. Spider-Man is intelligent, quick-witted, and dirt poor. Different women are into all kinds of different men. Women who look to date don't give a shit about how "admirable" you are, because guys who get a lot of admiration often stray - just look at most celebrities. Most women just want to be treated nicely and feel safe, above all else.
aloharamada
Like, think about famous people who are widely admired by guys... Let's take Arnie and Dave Grohl, both pretty admirable dudes, both of them cheated on their wives and fathered children out of wedlock. Most women rather want to date a guy who genuinely cares about and respects them than a super cool guy who fucks around on them, hands down. They want an equal to connect with, not someone to put on a pedestal and admire. Exceptions exist, but since we're generalizing, this is how it largely goes.
aloharamada
Too many guys think that they have to become the kind of man who gets a lot of female attention, but that's just stuff you do for your own ego. You actually need to build the skills that make you a good partner to a woman, not just work on attracting them. The goal is a mutual connection, not dazzling someone with how awesome you are.
jesuisgur
You can make her come 13 times on the 1st date, but that only lasts for so long. You need personality, and being handy, and having a proper job, and taking showers, and so many other things.
thinkybrainpains
What…what kind of first dates do you think are happening?
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Here's the thing: with the right tool (for less than $50), women can satify their own sexual needs. Most women (long-term) are looking for other things, to be honest.
ParryLost
That... sounds like gender essentialism. Also, you look up to superheroes who are bigger and stronger than you, so this feels a bit like it→
ParryLost
→feeds into the old trope that women like men who are, like, stronger than them and dominant over them? Honestly this feels... gross. To me.
TheGgreen100
As a man who is quite a bit larger and stronger than most women, I have zero desire to dominate anyone. Any guy I know worth his salt feels the same way. The desire to dominate is for weak cowards. Do you know what the most defining trait of leaders in animal packs would be? It's not dominance, it's the desire to take care of the tribe, to make sure everyone is ok.
Also as a kid I didn't look up to superheroes because they could dominate me, it was because I was in awe of what they could do.
ParryLost
Okay, but what does any of this have to do with your ideas about the differences between men and women? I think women are just as capable of being good leaders (and just as capable of being bad leaders, of course) as men, and I personally know women one could be "in awe" of for their strength and personal accomplishments. (As far as I know, all of them in reasonably happy relationships, too.)
insertwittyjoke
Why do you find this gross? I don't mind saying that I won't date a man who is smaller or weaker than I am. This isn't a trope, it's how most women actually think and feel. You're also conflating male physical prowess with domination which is incorrect. Most women don't want to be dominated, they want to feel safe. Big difference.
ParryLost
I do find it gross. :/ If you like it, more power to you. I find this kind of thinking that tries to put men and women into boxes kind of →
ParryLost
→restrictive and inherently... I dunno, disrespectful to both? We're all human beings, we should be able to be flexible and unique and not →
DutchBoeremeisie
Although it is kind of disheartening to hear you say "women aren't attracted to men in the same way we are to women". Because it means the not-so-handsome guys have a better chance than the not-so-pretty women.
TheGgreen100
To to be clear, I wasn't saying I think women have to be runway models to be super hot. I wasn't even implying that men go for pure physical beauty while women don't, just that men tend to be attracted to a different kind of thing than women. I think women want to admire a man, and I think men want to be with a woman who exudes femininity. Mysterious, playful, vivacious, fun, satisfied with life, CONFIDENT. Most guys would rather be with a woman like that than a model who is boring.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
It's true though. Not-so-handsome men can still be useful, charming, witty, kind, etc. There will be a woman out there who wants that. If you're a not-so-pretty woman, good luck. The world has decided you're an untouchable ogre.
crateo
Let me be real here... there is no concept of ugly woman. For most men, women are on a scale from 5 to 10, whereas the other way round, it goes from 0 to 10. The points are awarded for different merits, true, but there are many, many, many unfuckable guys out there. And for good reasons xD.
wtfylat
The unfuckable guys are ugly and horrible
ParryLost
I think that's gender essentialist bullshit. :/ Men can be attracted to "not-so-pretty" women based on personality too. And women for sure →
ParryLost
→are not immune to physical attraction based on looks. I think cultural beliefs about gender encourage and exaggerate many differences here.
netutoring
Yeah, I experienced this sensation firsthand at college. One girl, just nice looking, but super awesome personality became infinitely more attractive to me than this other girl, who was gorgeous, but very intellectually non-curious, and she suddenly became much less attractive.
TheGgreen100
Absolutely. I'd pick the "nice looking" girl who is awesome over the boring supermodel any day of the week. I've dated models like that and believe me... the best parts of those relationships are very temporary. Once the initial thrill wears off and you settle into just getting used to them, it's just like dating anybody else, which means if they're boring, the whole relationship is boring.
netutoring
Intellectual attraction is definitely a thing:) You're absolutely right.