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Alektrauniccountermeasures
This makes me think of traveling in Europe and seeing the disgusting blocks of 'American Bread" in the grocery stores. Most stores had one or two of them in a corner near the real food.
StevenAlleyn
*millenia
PantsAreForTheWeek
Xenarion
Both carbs and sugar are necessary in the right amount, and harmful in excess. For centuries it was not in excess, now it is.
nelllybellly1
Garlic bread is bad only for vampires.
SternLecturePlumbing
When I was at my thinnest, I finished each day with a piece of buttered toast and jam as my little treat. But we’re likely not eating one single piece of toast. Or one single piece of pizza. Or two pieces of fried chicken.
BatmanDeadpoolSlenderMan
SNAP Educator here. Whole grains + healthy oils. 1 tbsp of oil per day is the recommended serving size. Add beans to your rice. Add protein to your whole grain breads. Focus on complex carbs that keep you full throughout the day.
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
Depends on the person, and depends on the age. I hit menopause and can’t eat any grains and precious little sugars and carbs any more. I started eating like my pre-grain cultivation ancestors, and my health shot way up. Much of the inflammation in my body went away, my hormonal production increased, and my mental health improved greatly as well. It really depends on the person. All these “rules” around what constitutes a healthy diet are bullshit. Everyone is different.
NotAllowedToArgueUnlessYouPay
The way bread was prepared centuries ago made it a superfood. Most bread produced today is disease-inducing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtWokSMmC3Q
kontroversialkarma
American bread makes me ill. French bread doesn't affect anything but my belt size.
*smiles*
thebonesofmyancestors
Meh. The "American" bread people complain about is the shit they sell in grocery stores. There are real bakeries all over the place that make real bread and it's just as good as any bread anywhere else in the world.
Lugh314159
They've been integral because calorie-dense foods weren't as plentiful and easily accessible in the past.
If our ancient ancestors could pluck French fries and cookies from every tree and field around them, we'd have evolved a fondness for mixed greens and broccoli.
DickInAToaster
Who gives a fuck? I don’t eat garlic bread because it’s healthy. I just love myself.
ArkoneAxon
I remember when Dr Atkins died, and the news declared how he weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death. At which point a people got VERY pissed... because 1: someone had obtained and released his private medical records; 2: they had only released PART of the medical records because PCRM is a medwashing front for PETA; and 3: he got that fat from fluid retention, because he died from slipping on a patch of ice, hitting his head, and going into a coma.
M34665
fluid retention is a bitch, I was in the hospital for heart issues recently and I lost 70 lbs in pretty much just retained fluid over like a week and a half (IV diuretics are no joke)
ArkoneAxon
Seriously, I'm a big fan of eating lots of produce (I just started a diet plan of making at least half of every meal consist of fibrous veggies such as cabbage, mushrooms, kale, etc), but fuck PETA, and fuck militant vegans who pull this kind of shit. https://activistfacts.com/organizations/23-physicians-committee-for-responsible-medicine/
ImaginaryFriendship
Mac n cheese and beer are my staple carbs. Mostly Mac n cheese
youreathing
Anything is bad for you if you have too much. You can die from water poisoning, and no I don't mean drowning.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Refined sugar stuffed everywhere, that is a big energy instead.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
Beer is included in this ancient grain diet as well.
Just saying.
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
And? Not giving that up either.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Very chewy beer soup with lots of solids and only 2-3% alcohol.
Sticklebrickk
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aDI2NWtmeW9pMm9rNHJjdzcycGd0OHh3NGkzYno3NWtybWFnM212ayZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/t2L7vQqVGcMYo/200w.webp
blaghart
Fun fact, there is no "safe" level of alcohol consumption. ANY consumption of alcohol results in permanent alterations to your body, similar to lead.
DV8fromNormal
There is something to be said about dilating the blood vessels in and around the liver. Yes there is damage but the short term benefit is there. Plus there’s the mental health aspect to consumption.
Subtilico
Well, you have to die of something, in the end. Cheers!
cuzitsthere
They could put that under the lid like Snapple facts and I'd still be popping these bottles
DrNick
As they call it in the Firefly universe, mudders milk.
Zeterai
Yasashii93
I love carbs but I’m doing keto now and I’m losing weight, sleeping better, feeling better, have more energy, don’t ever feel big hunger.
Carbs are not good for the body. But they sure as hell are good for the soul. Can’t wait till I lose enough weight so I can eat pasta and pizza again.
ChickenChickenBurningBright
the processed white bread that is bad for you has only been around since the European aristocracy wanted to distance themselves from the whole-grain eating commoners.
tallyhoho
I went carb free for a month and realized I was drooling on myself in public watching my husband eat a club sandwich, just a line of drool out the side of my mouth like a dog watching steak. That life ain't for me
Feralkyn
I never felt better than when I was in full ketosis. Wasn't hungry, had energy for DAYS, my sleep cycle normalized, my mood stayed fantastic. Unfortunately I have an S/O who does not like doing it, and 0 self-control when chocolate is in the house, lol.
RichardPenne
Dr McDougall (RIP) has some great books on starches and weight loss/health. It got him from a major stroke at 18 to dying in his sleep in his 70s.
reichtwinglunatic
TL:DR, gonna die from a stroke
RichardPenne
Surviving a major stroke and having no other cardiovascular issues for 52 years is nothing to throw raw ham at.
reichtwinglunatic
not familiar with the expression of "throwing raw ham at," but the point of my post was that i'm not gonna read his literature and gonna die from a stroke. So, nothing but respect to the guy and nothing but laziness for me which is gonna kill me. Hope this clears stuff up.
RichardPenne
Here's a summary of his vegan, starch based diet - https://www.verywellfit.com/the-starch-solution-diet-4771538#:~:text=The%20Starch%20Solution%20diet%20consists,plant%2Dbased%20proteins%20like%20legumes.
thepeenisbehindthetrenchcoat
I wouldn't be able to afford the carnivore diet anyway. Cheap carbs for life.
AllTheKitties
And these days, some people mean "high in calories" when they say "not healthy"... What is extremely concerning is when they reverse that. "Lower calorie" is not the same thing as "healthier".
meganical
Breads and rice made with white flour are bad for you. The other kinds are all very healthy for you and encouraged. It’s an easy switch to make. If you’re not keen on whole grain, they now make Honey Wheat, which is half whole grain and half white flour but tastes like white bread.
youreathing
Explain how you make rice, from flour?
Veh1
SpoonOfDoom
If you plant flour in some soil, the individual flour particles grow into rice beans which you can then harvest. Everybody knows that /s
youreathing
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SpoonOfDoom
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TheFastpaws
The issue is bread in countries like America isn't bread. It is fucking cake called bread.
ropetopus
This is only true of a subset of mass-produced breads. A more core issue is that these cheap breads are often all people can afford, because whole grain and more traditional fresh breads are expensive.
WickedSludge
All things in moderation
wejustdontknow
Except fentanyl.
bozonebum83
Fentanyl is actually incredibly useful for severe, acute pain - when administered in correct dosage and monitored by qualified professionals
mafiacarstarter
This moderation thing is good, but let's not take it too far.
draconicus
Moderation in moderation
KingdomsCrown
Exactly, anything in excess is bad for you
Unnatural20
Even moderation.
rossimus
*especially* moderation
tzahtman
Not garlic bread.
samwyze
When it comes to garlic bread, I have no concept of the word enough.
petpet3d
Shut up nerd!
ShinksAvoHazaar
Wouldnt it be less the grains &more however they’re processed or how much humans have altered them. Either intentionally or unintentionally?
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ArdentSlacker
"processed" is kind of a weird thing to consider a problem, you know? Like, you have to process grains. We made windmill-powered grindstones to get flour outta wheat, you know? You peel a banana, that's a process. Milk gets "pasteurized" which is a fancy name for "cooked".
Nature's default state is "fuck you". Dysentery is all-natural. Nobody's coming up with processes to make shit less safe. It's mostly about longer shelf life. So it doesn't rot and kill us.
ropetopus
No, there’s a lot of bullshit around healthy eating. The main problem most people in the modern world face is a lack of balance; it’s very easy to eat far more calories than our lifestyle needs, or to have our diets fall short on protein and fiber in favor of carbs and fats.
It’s more about what’s easily available than this food purity trend.
Feralkyn
Not really. More about how much we have, if any. Some people respond SUPER well to cutting out certain or all grains, and others not at all. Lots of people also respond well to periods of fasting, with a number of health benefits in investigation, but outside Ramadan there's no real modern fasting periods.
DukeDarkwood
Ooh, right. That's another consideration. Needs can vary by person, based on anything from height and weight to esoteric health conditions. Or, sometimes, seemingly nothing at all - they just react differently. Even the same person, over time, may change in what the best diet for them is.
Makes it very hard to have any sort of official "rules" to nutrition, but there it is.
Atomic2
Probably more to do with how much we consume. Even if you grew your own, you still need to moderate your intake. Balanced diet and all that.
DukeDarkwood
Too much WATER consumption can kill you. And water is one of the most fundamental necessities of organic life! (In animals, another is oxygen - and guess what? Yup. Too much of that ALSO kills.)
So, yeah. Amount of intake is a huge factor. Too little is unhealthy. Too much is unhealthy. As true for carbs as anything else we consume.
At least nobody's telling us that we need grain and carbs more than any other kind of food. How weird would THAT be?
BaWitda
Exactly. Both in terms of percentage of our diet, and also just the amount of food the average American eats.
JCDenton10
Zamiel77
If you're American, here's all you need to do: lower your portion sizes, stop drinking sugary drinks, keep an eye on saturated fats and sodium intake, and just stay active. That's it (barring specific health conditions that require more care).
M34665
Having just started a sodium restriction for heart issues (~2k mg limit per day), lowering sodium in the US is doable but it is rough finding low to no sodium items in stores. I do highly recommend lowsorecipes.com for anyone looking to start or expand the diet
ropetopus
This is one situation where reducing pre-processed food becomes really important. Many highly processed foods at the store have higher sodium content, basically to put flavor back after the industrial processes that tend to make foods bland.
Opting for a less-processed option and doing more prep at home makes a huge difference if you need to restrict sodium intake.
Peptido
That's not good advice at all. Just lowering portion sizes without changing what you eat WILL fail.
thebonesofmyancestors
Yeah, like the other commenter said. You stopped reading too early. They did state that your diet needs to change.
Alientongue
They listed more then just smaller portions but okay.
Peptido
They didn't list anything anyone should actually *do.* What *should* people eat? Advice that is exclusively limiting options is bad advice.
Alientongue
Interesting so in your opinion a healthy diet had no limits and you can do and eat whatever you want?
Peptido
No lol. But if you're giving advice to people, you should focus on what they should actually DO, not just give a list of things to avoid. They need to be given new options rather than just having options eliminated. Tell them what to eat more of and they'll naturally eat less of everything else.
duktayp
"modern store-bought breads have more calories, more fat, more sodium, more additives, and less nutritious content than when we made our own breads 100+ years ago"
doromath
What most people don’t realize is that even bakery bought bread with low additives and good ingredients doesn’t match early breads. They all use the same commercial flours that have key parts removed to make it shelf stable.
Even “whole wheat” just means that a small portion of each of the components of the wheat berry are added back in.
If you’re okay baking your own bread you can mill your own wheat as well and get the full nutrition. Bonus: it’s freaking delicious.
ScrotusFezziwig
It's super cheap and easy to make bread tho
SlamCampbell
At least I'm not shitting myself to death at the ripe old age of 27.
RetrogradeLlama
Sticklebrickk
White bread doesn't even have fiber. You know how, the one thing it's supposed to have.
shitheadtookmyname
That's still not "bread is evil" but rather "cheap American white bread is bad for you"
akafluffy
fat, sodium, and carbs are literally the things that saved lives in the past so much that we're evolved to love them, now we just love them and have an overabundance of fat, sodium, and carbs, so you need to pace yourself and eat the other things too, my favourite way to do so is to put the other fats and salts on the pizza crust with fruit and veg.
Bladedrummer
I'll just put it all next to the microplastics in my organs. It'll be fine.
Chowphat
Sure, American bread is bad for you, but it took the French to make it into French Toast.
SnarfyMcSnarferson
YEAH TOAST!
darksamus8
that's just patently false, sorry. it's more nutritious in that its WAY more calorie dense. Too many calories. Extremely easy to overeat. Coupled with most people's sedentary lifestyle, it's a recipe for widespread obesity, which I remind you, is a problem society has only really started to face like 40 years ago.
BonafideHomicide
Calories are not equivalent to nutrition. Empty calories make you fat and provide nothing of substance to your diet.
ropetopus
Calories are part of nutrition.
somethingnotyettaken
And modern people sit on their arses in front of screens all day long.
fknbastard
Don’t forget high fructose corn syrup. I was surprised to find that in bread.
HIVp0sit1ve69
Why the fuck would you add high fructose corn syrup? That doesn't even make sense. Just use some fucking sugar.
fknbastard
Sugar is a preservative. High fructose corn syrup is a cheap way to make just about any food last longer on the shelf
veedubfreak
Cause it's cheaper. Basically everything in the US is filled with it
blaghart
which is patently untrue. You can't have both more calories AND be less nutritious in producing the same product, as calories are a reflection of the amount of energy the body can derive (i.e. the nutrients) from food.
couldyounot123
You can be fat as shit (lots of calories) and deficient in a bunch of nutrients simultaneously
cambam3000
This just in: the most nutritious food in the world is a tub of pure animal fat
skrimg59
lolol
KaptainObveeus
I'm not eating that unless you mix it with 36 percent cream and lots of sugar thanks.
FiftyShadesOfArugula
Micronutrients like minerals have zero calories, and they're usually what we refer to when we call a food nutritious. If we only needed calories we could live off sugar cubes.
noReallyIamPrincessBob
Calories and nutrients are two different things.
thegreenestknight6
But my twinkie has 270 nutrients
Rhythmaster
"It's got all 28 essential nutrimites to fortify your X-zone!" -X-treme Blue Spokesman.
MajorasTerribleFate
270 nutrients PER SERVING.
Which it turns out is actually 2 twinkies, neat
couldyounot123
Malk! Now with vitamin K!
TripleDane
The US have a horrible bread culture its all white sponge bread.
ropetopus
Maybe if you only buy your bread from the convenience store. Even the big box grocery departments have a decent variety of whole grain breads, ranging from mass-manufactured to at least moderate quality loaves.
And in almost any city, there are also local bakeries from multiple cultures with amazing breads available.
TripleDane
Ive never seen anything but white or semi white bread around me. not saying it doesnt exists but its definitely not as ordinary as overseas.
if you haveto go to another "culture" to get decent bread i think its pretty fair to declare the US does not have a good bread culture... when you had to go to another one...
phalanxausage
You need to look harder
ropetopus
US culture is melting pot culture; we don’t “go to another culture” to get bread, bread that descends from many cultures has been integrated into ours! The many food cultures coexisting and fusing is US culture.
TripleDane
It was yourself that pointed it out "from multiple cultures".
You cant have it both ways
IrrationalNumber
* In America
FlippedOut
I think it's also a problem with how your car centric society works. We buy bread from a bakery which doesn't have all the crap in it. However if I went to the chain supermarket the bread there is closer to American bread(not as sweat). But many Americans don't have easy access to a proper bakery.
shitheadtookmyname
Even my chain grocery store in Texas still has a proper bakery in it.
Gaudion
I read this in Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged Bandit Keith's VA's voice.
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
This problem is by no means exclusive to America.
shitheadtookmyname
I've been to 20 countries on five continents. Never seen bread like in the USA unless it's bread imported from the USA.
Hell American foods in the UK are made differently.
shorey66
No but it's much, much worse in America. American bread may as well be cake
HIVp0sit1ve69
Or cardboard. Pick your flavor.
pompoikpoik
Quality of food and of wheat grains is more an issue in the USA than in any other country
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
Not strictly true. https://impact.economist.com/sustainability/project/food-security-index/
Racealistic
Perhaps, but any country that sells regular bread that tastes like cake and somehow has corn in it, always ends up being America. (Seriously there is corn in almost everything there wtf). There are no additives in the bread i get from my baker or grocer, stuff goes bad in 3 days.
MrBoopyPutthole
Mexicans 9000 years ago grew it, eventually northern tribes grew it, colonizers realized it was everywhere. fast forward to today
shitheadtookmyname
It's cheap and an indigenous crop.
MrBigBuns
that's like saying other countries have shitty politicians too. Fair, but the US is definitely competing for the podium.
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
Correct. But that would be implication of adding that addendum as it was written.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
We are competing but considering our politicians are being led by putin and yahoo. We are fighting for third.
adamlstf9
…riiiight. Except you can totally still get real bread anywhere you go, it just takes a moment’s worth of looking. Bakeries are still a thing, I’ve worked for a few.
immortalheart
Exactly. Discovered a few years ago that the bread in the deli/produce section (not the bread isle) is always much better.
stratospherecaster
For 2 years I used to live in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, no bakeries in the whole area... And we've looked! Because we're Dutch, we live on bread. The only place where you could get real bread was a Ukrainian supermarket. And that was white bread... There are no food desserts in Europe. And certainly not in the middle of a big city.
stratospherecaster
*desert... I mean desert... There are many food desserts in Brooklyn!
Kehy
And for fucks sake you can just bake your own and have full control of ingredients. It's really not that hard, especially if you go for a no- knead type
Meltemi
Really, it's far easier if you go that route. Finding the other is classified knead-to-know.
titoitoi
Made a no-knead, no-yeast kinda sour dough (with lemon+milk buttermilk) the other day. Delish darlings straight out of the oven, and makes great toast the next day.
Phoelixx
Resippy? Sounds yum
shitheadtookmyname
It takes a long time. As someone who bakes his own bread.
Kehy
It does, but most of that time you don't have to interact with it. My personal bread go to requires boiling a potato, mixing everything then letting it sit in a warm oven for ~1 hour to rise, then ~45 minutes to bake. Makes for a nice sandwich loaf
Willk95
I know this sounds gross, but if the bread gets moldy within a week or so, that’s a good thing. It means it’s not chock full of preservatives
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
VS the regular shelf sliced stuff like Bunny that can sit on the counter for a month and still be 'fresh'. Creeps me tf out, honestly.
Willk95
Even worse is subway’s bread.
They use a smelly preservative that’s used in yoga mats. I stopped eating there after I read about that
NacLac
Or in days
slack3rdav3
esp in humid environments. had some go bad in about 3-4 days
mouthfullofpebbles
Yeah, I always wash out the bread box and throw away all contents if something gets moldy, in the rot month white and flat bread can go green from one meal to the other, and it spreads! I mostly buy dense black sour rye bread and crisp bread during that period since they have almost indefinite shelf life and seem to never be hit by the mold.
FuManLu
My concern is if the bakeries are also using that stripped down flour and they are just doing it the same as the big stores
aRabidGerbil
All modern flour is made by stripping it down and then readding different amounts of its constituent parts, like bran, gluten, protease, amylase, etc.
FuManLu
Is it possible ot not strip it down to begin with, so we dont have to add anything back?
aRabidGerbil
It is, and if you want, you can make your own flour by just grinding wheat, but the result will be very different from the flour you normally use to bake, and it will also be a lot less consistent.