I'd like to see a social experiment where the details of which country were swapped and outrage generated about some Russian atrocities. Only for it to be (later) revealed that it was Israel.
A statement from a professional organization should use more apples to apples comparisons.
If Russia hits a hospital with a missile, it's a war crime, if Israel hits a hospital with a missile, it's their right to defend themselves.
Many people here might not think the wording matters because imgur is an echo chamber, but stuff like this can create bad habits and reduce the effectiveness of causing meaningful change because it makes it easier for the bad guys to spin it into a straw man.
As a Civilization player, you people are making mountains out of molehills. My troops are just passing through the area. You have nothing to worry about.
No no no no no! We don't go down this road. NEVER!
Yes Israel is currently involved in a Nazi-Level genocide and yes nobody wanted the Iran war. But Iran is a dictatorship that shot down 30.000 peacefull protestors making even chinas Tiamin Square blush in comparison and Palastine openly supported Hamas killings.
Ukrain was a peaceful democracy and all they wanted was to be part of the EU and NATO before they were invaded. No thats not the fucking same and screw you for even comparing them.
Because a whole lot of assholes who are intent on their imaginary friend being the best want to punish anyone who doesn't bow down to their imaginary friend.
And many of those bombs in Gaza are aimed at hospitals and schools. And not over night, but when school is in session! Stop the Genocide. You are not fooling anyone with your claims of self-defense.
Yes, paramedics are delaying their response time by 10-20 minutes, because so many paramedics have been killed that way. And 10-20 minutes could mean the difference between life and death. Can't blame the paramedics though. The ones that die by the double tap aren't around to save future lives.
It's weird, it's like the entire western world either still has a bunch of collective guilt about WW2, or Israel has dirt on everyone. I'm going to go with the latter...
February 2022, Russian armies crossed the border from Crimea on the south, Russia on the east, Belarus on the north and paratroopers directly into Kiev trying to capture whole of Ukraine.
While Israel attacked Hezbolah and then pushed north into Lebanon after Hezbolah attacked Israel. Fun fact, Hezbolah is a terrorist organisation that decided to attack Israel many times and is not backed by Lebanese government but by Iran. They operate inside Lebanon and launch rockets into Israel without approval from the government. It has been like that for decades. Sorry I have no sympathies
So I've failed at following what has actually happened. Sorry, life's complicated. Iran has been terrorizing Gaza for awhile now. For some reason *cough* the us decided to attack them. What is anyone's endgame here? I get Iran wants the land, just want to be clear that the only reason the US is involved is probably a back-alley deal to make money?...asking for a friend
I mean sure, but if a child hits an adult and the adult turns around and snaps the kid neck... The horrible actions of Hamas on Oct 7 does not give allowance for even greater atrocities committed in the name of self defense. It was BS when the US did this after 9/11 and it's BS now, and propagated a lot by the US and European media.
I'd argue that Bebe caused Oct 7 propping up Hamas before that. It's like being surprised America was attacked on 9/11 after decades of imperialism. No one is attacking America for their "freedom".
Israel has been evicting Palestinians from their homes and murdering them for like 80 years, exactly how did Palestine "start a war"? They don't even have a real military, Israel is fighting orphans using tanks, how is that ever justified?
Hear hear. If even ten percent of their 350 million had a spine and any semblance of honour and dignity, they would have thrown their child rapist Nazi in prison. Instead, they continue to bow to him.
Not even. The military is only about 1% of the US population. If only maybe 5% rose up, they could probably win. Yeah, the military has planes and stuff, but, speaking as a veteran, our bases on US soil are extremely poorly defended. Every base I was stationed at had a chain link fence for a perimeter and maybe 100 guards. Most people on the base aren't even allowed to carry a weapon, they're all locked away in the armory. And my squadron's conplan for an attack was to lock the doors and hide.
Hamas has murdered babies. Gaza has for many years fired rockets into Israel. They staged an intentional terrorist attack to kill as many civilians as they could. Ukraine has never done any of those things to Russia. Equating the two is offensive. This doesn't make crimes Israel has committed in Gaza any less serious, but the person who runs this account will never show you any side besides the anti-Israel one so that you assume that's all there is.
I'm sure Russian propaganda bots would have zero interest in trying to make Europe, their enemy, look bad while simultaneously getting people to focus on something other than the Ukraine war. :)
But then, this site being US-centric, expecting a reasonable take on anything outside their own borders is a fantasy anyway.
Remember 2024 when Palestinian-Americans boycotted voting and demanded everyone else boycott too because Kamala Harris and Donald Trump were exactly the same.
Even now a few of those boycotters, those who aren't hiding under a rock in shame, are saying, "Well Harris would have started the same war." to justify their absolute boycotting stupidity.
Question: how's things under Trump going for Americans at home and Palestinians in Gaza? Great job sitting on your ass and scrambling to find excuses now. But sure, Harris and Trump are exactly the same. Baaaa haaaa haaa haaa, too funny.
Well here's the thing: Palestinian-Americans said Harris and Trump are exactly the same. How's that working out for you? Got a meme which will get you out of that screw up?
Fuck off, she didn’t have to support a genocidal regime. She didn’t that to herself. The 90 million who couldn’t be bothered to vote are fair game, a few thousand standing on principle is noble
No she didn't. But now we have Trump, who supports genocide everywhere. And is more than willing to be Israel's attack dog in Iran. How's that working out for you? Do you feel like you still have the moral high ground? Does having the moral high ground help you in any way besides making you feel smug? Would so much rather have another milequetoast democrat president than Orange Shitler. Would love to have ranked choice, and remove first past the post, would love real progressive candidates.
But because of the first past the post system, we are forced to vote for the least likely to do harm because if you vote your conscience you lose the election and we get pulled closer to fascism. When you have the choice between cold pea soup and a literal dog turd why would you let other's pick the dog turd for you?
TLDR: You're realizing that voting is about picking the better person not the perfect person.
Harris was faaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than Trump in every respect (rape, fraud, pedophila,...) but you sat on your ass and now you're bitching about the state of the US and world.
Remember when Democrats actually used their power to do something constructive; like not fund & arm a genocide, continue to wage pointless wars, and not expand the police & surveillance state?
You're acting as if Trump is the root of the problem. Trump is a symptom. The true disease is the corporate owning class and their political pawns, which Dems happily play hand-in-hand with Republicans.
The media has been purchased, gutted, and transformed into a billionaire led propaganda machine meant to promote stage four capitalism at the expense of all else. And Zionism pays them better.
*oligarchs, exploiting cowards, in order to secure a client state that scan be used to destabilize oil rich countries that choose to nationalize oil profits
I downvoted your comment because I always downvote comments that come from people who always downvote comments from people who complain about downvotes.
I will downvote this all day! Israel deserves all the hate but that doesn't make anything that happens there even close to compareable to the Ukrain-War.
Iran is a dictatorship that killed 30.000 peacefull protestors making even Chinas Tiamin Square blush in comparison, Palastine openly supported Hamas killings
Ukrain is a peaceful democracy that wanted to join EU and NATO and got invaded for that. I can't even begin to describe how fucking different that is and it pisses me off that I have to
I'm saying that getting invaded completly unprovoked is different than supporting an attack that killed innocent people at a concert beforehand
If Ukraine did the exact same thing in russia NATO wouldn't support them at all, so comparing those two is not helping anyone and potentially downright toxic. You CAN'T muddy those waters or else we will soon have a worldwide Palastine from Taiwan to Brasil.
Thats not saying that what Israel is doing isn't a straight up genocide that should be condemed
Counterpoint: Some people don't want to see political posts, for a variety of reasons, including oversaturation. But since almost no one tags their political posts as political, the only thing those people can do is downvote and/or block. I'm not condoning it, but I expect to be heavily downvoted for pointing this out regardless. I could not care less.
Hey that's not fair. They might not like hearing consistently that Trump rapes kids. Imagine if YOU hooked your ego, thoughts, beliefs, and pretty much everything else for the kiddie fucker. How would you like to be reminded of your daily failures? Think of all the MAGA that fell for it again. And again. And again. How would you like your stupidity to be pointed out?
They do have a point though; this stuff can be overwhelming to some and people sometimes need a way to escape reality. I'm all for raising awareness on this topic (for all the good it seems to be doing, but it's better than nothing I guess), but adding a tag is just a simple courtesy (and a way to get whiny bitches of your posts, which is also a plus).
True... Don't go on social media if you need a break. Especially not just the most popular posts. If I want a break I either go offline or go somewhere that this stuff doesn't just pop up. Might as well be on Youtube's front page going "Whoa whoa whoa. I come here for carpentry videos why is there all this news coverage?!" an r/ helps a lot.
Grinch01
We here in germany have a huge problem with speaking up about Israel could have something to do with our history
casbott
I'd like to see a social experiment where the details of which country were swapped and outrage generated about some Russian atrocities.
Only for it to be (later) revealed that it was Israel.
captainnewbi
A statement from a professional organization should use more apples to apples comparisons.
If Russia hits a hospital with a missile, it's a war crime, if Israel hits a hospital with a missile, it's their right to defend themselves.
Many people here might not think the wording matters because imgur is an echo chamber, but stuff like this can create bad habits and reduce the effectiveness of causing meaningful change because it makes it easier for the bad guys to spin it into a straw man.
TheSpectralPenguin
Fuck Israel, fuck the IDF. Fucking terrorist country and military.
KoalaOnTheJuice
Lindsey Hilsum of Channel4News is actually one of the best journalists for getting the truth out about Palestine.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
As a Civilization player, you people are making mountains out of molehills. My troops are just passing through the area. You have nothing to worry about.
Cookie0fPower
Commenting for awareness
NussKnuspermix
No no no no no! We don't go down this road. NEVER!
Yes Israel is currently involved in a Nazi-Level genocide and yes nobody wanted the Iran war. But Iran is a dictatorship that shot down 30.000 peacefull protestors making even chinas Tiamin Square blush in comparison and Palastine openly supported Hamas killings.
Ukrain was a peaceful democracy and all they wanted was to be part of the EU and NATO before they were invaded. No thats not the fucking same and screw you for even comparing them.
Teyken
I don't understand people, the world is such a beautiful place, why is there so much hate.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Lack of education leads to apathy leads to hate leads to violence leads to murder.
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
It's a skin color thing. Pure and simple
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
SedatedSl0th
Baby killers? IDF? You mean the United States. Both? Nooooo.
Nightcaste
Just like after hurricane katrina, picture of white people "finding food", picture of black people "looting a grocery store".
Bystandr
Its all reprehensible. There is more of it going on in Gaza and the West Bank, but every atrocity is still an atrocity. Both Israel and Rus
Bystandr
are committing genocides.
HandoB4Javert
SleazyBijou
I’m not entirely sure how this ends but it can’t be good for Israel.
Teyken
I don't understand people, the world is such a beautiful place, why is there so much hate.
Mgxr44
Cause we have a system where death and destruction is really profitable so that’s what we get 🤷🏻 ✨capitalism✨
kadaeux
Because a whole lot of assholes who are intent on their imaginary friend being the best want to punish anyone who doesn't bow down to their imaginary friend.
jwillywill
https://imgur.com/u1lYjlW.mp4
thinkybrainpains
I need more of whatever prompted this guy to point out these truths
jwillywill
Rest In Power Michael Brooks https://youtu.be/dCWtjzKGQ90?t=114
chukyrlaw
Thanks for sharing
urusername2
And many of those bombs in Gaza are aimed at hospitals and schools. And not over night, but when school is in session! Stop the Genocide. You are not fooling anyone with your claims of self-defense.
AlexSomething
Also, the double taps. Hit once. Wait until help arrives. Hit a second time.
urusername2
Yes, paramedics are delaying their response time by 10-20 minutes, because so many paramedics have been killed that way. And 10-20 minutes could mean the difference between life and death. Can't blame the paramedics though. The ones that die by the double tap aren't around to save future lives.
perlninja
It's weird, it's like the entire western world either still has a bunch of collective guilt about WW2, or Israel has dirt on everyone. I'm going to go with the latter...
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
mandorsawalll
February 2022, Russian armies crossed the border from Crimea on the south, Russia on the east, Belarus on the north and paratroopers directly into Kiev trying to capture whole of Ukraine.
mandorsawalll
While Israel attacked Hezbolah and then pushed north into Lebanon after Hezbolah attacked Israel. Fun fact, Hezbolah is a terrorist organisation that decided to attack Israel many times and is not backed by Lebanese government but by Iran. They operate inside Lebanon and launch rockets into Israel without approval from the government. It has been like that for decades. Sorry I have no sympathies
SHDTGQOTW
So I've failed at following what has actually happened. Sorry, life's complicated. Iran has been terrorizing Gaza for awhile now. For some reason *cough* the us decided to attack them. What is anyone's endgame here? I get Iran wants the land, just want to be clear that the only reason the US is involved is probably a back-alley deal to make money?...asking for a friend
kadaeux
The only one who wants the land is the Palestinians being genocided, and Israel who is invading it, and now also invading Lebanon to take land.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
ThanosDei
This whole thing reeks of atomic bomb vs coughing baby and we’re supposed to see palestinians as the aggressors. We’re not stupid.
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ThanosDei
Found the israeli.
kadaeux
Except they didn’t start it. Israel did. Only ignorant assholes actually believe Oct 7 was the start of this.
AstroExplained
I mean sure, but if a child hits an adult and the adult turns around and snaps the kid neck... The horrible actions of Hamas on Oct 7 does not give allowance for even greater atrocities committed in the name of self defense. It was BS when the US did this after 9/11 and it's BS now, and propagated a lot by the US and European media.
ChiLLeCheeze
I'd argue that Bebe caused Oct 7 propping up Hamas before that. It's like being surprised America was attacked on 9/11 after decades of imperialism. No one is attacking America for their "freedom".
thedarkcanuck
Oct 7 was a false flag
kadaeux
Mossad knew for a fact it was coming and when. Foreign intelligence agencies warned them. Their own spies warned them. IDF observers warned them.
Mossad allowed it to happen because it gave them the pretext for genocide.
LostCaterpillar
Please what Hamas chose to do in 1947 that started this.
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Deltalicious
Israel has been evicting Palestinians from their homes and murdering them for like 80 years, exactly how did Palestine "start a war"?
They don't even have a real military, Israel is fighting orphans using tanks, how is that ever justified?
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kadaeux
I suggest you take your own advice.
Kitehammer
But you forget, the Palestinians are mainly scary Muslims.
Bundalicious
Americans have the power to stop this, but refuse because they have become a nation of weakling cowards.
KleptoKea
Hear hear. If even ten percent of their 350 million had a spine and any semblance of honour and dignity, they would have thrown their child rapist Nazi in prison. Instead, they continue to bow to him.
notreallyaclevername
Not even. The military is only about 1% of the US population. If only maybe 5% rose up, they could probably win. Yeah, the military has planes and stuff, but, speaking as a veteran, our bases on US soil are extremely poorly defended. Every base I was stationed at had a chain link fence for a perimeter and maybe 100 guards. Most people on the base aren't even allowed to carry a weapon, they're all locked away in the armory. And my squadron's conplan for an attack was to lock the doors and hide.
BVKnight
This account posts nothing but anti-Israel stuff every day, it's just anti-Semitic propaganda. You'll never see a rational take
seriouslessly
Where is this post irrational? Where is it antisemitic?
BVKnight
Hamas has murdered babies. Gaza has for many years fired rockets into Israel. They staged an intentional terrorist attack to kill as many civilians as they could. Ukraine has never done any of those things to Russia. Equating the two is offensive. This doesn't make crimes Israel has committed in Gaza any less serious, but the person who runs this account will never show you any side besides the anti-Israel one so that you assume that's all there is.
MaharynArts
I'm sure Russian propaganda bots would have zero interest in trying to make Europe, their enemy, look bad while simultaneously getting people to focus on something other than the Ukraine war. :)
But then, this site being US-centric, expecting a reasonable take on anything outside their own borders is a fantasy anyway.
BautaStein
Ever noticed that next to no posts are about cuba and iraq? Wonder if they get moderated or downvoted
Subsound
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cWZmaWFkaHNpZDBpM3E5MnR1MnJidmZ6eTlwbzNnb2FuMTd4N2hkMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/QmJr6ewZqfQvC/200w.webp
todayok
Remember 2024 when Palestinian-Americans boycotted voting and demanded everyone else boycott too because Kamala Harris and Donald Trump were exactly the same.
Even now a few of those boycotters, those who aren't hiding under a rock in shame, are saying, "Well Harris would have started the same war." to justify their absolute boycotting stupidity.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Stop pretending to be a fake progressive if you support racism and fascism and genocide.
todayok
Question: how's things under Trump going for Americans at home and Palestinians in Gaza? Great job sitting on your ass and scrambling to find excuses now. But sure, Harris and Trump are exactly the same. Baaaa haaaa haaa haaa, too funny.
LostCaterpillar
todayok
Well here's the thing: Palestinian-Americans said Harris and Trump are exactly the same. How's that working out for you? Got a meme which will get you out of that screw up?
whereismymind86
Fuck off, she didn’t have to support a genocidal regime. She didn’t that to herself. The 90 million who couldn’t be bothered to vote are fair game, a few thousand standing on principle is noble
todayok
Standing on principle?
Trump: Pedophile, felon, rapist, fraudster, antivax,...
Harris: None of those things.
whereismymind86
*did that
FaeVikingPrincess
No she didn't. But now we have Trump, who supports genocide everywhere. And is more than willing to be Israel's attack dog in Iran. How's that working out for you? Do you feel like you still have the moral high ground? Does having the moral high ground help you in any way besides making you feel smug? Would so much rather have another milequetoast democrat president than Orange Shitler. Would love to have ranked choice, and remove first past the post, would love real progressive candidates.
todayok
Exactly. Saying Harris is the same as Trump is just looking for an excuse not to vote and convincing yourself you're "noble".
FaeVikingPrincess
But because of the first past the post system, we are forced to vote for the least likely to do harm because if you vote your conscience you lose the election and we get pulled closer to fascism. When you have the choice between cold pea soup and a literal dog turd why would you let other's pick the dog turd for you?
todayok
TLDR: You're realizing that voting is about picking the better person not the perfect person.
Harris was faaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than Trump in every respect (rape, fraud, pedophila,...) but you sat on your ass and now you're bitching about the state of the US and world.
FaeVikingPrincess
Are you ok? Are you trying to suggest that I didn't vote? Did you even read my comment? Because it doesn't seem like you did
AShartInTheWind
Remember when Democrats actually used their power to do something constructive; like not fund & arm a genocide, continue to wage pointless wars, and not expand the police & surveillance state?
Yea, me neither.
todayok
Trump: Pedophile, felon, rapist, fraudster, antivax,...
Harris: None of those things and you still couldn't get off your ass to vote. You think that sounds smart? Yea, me neither.
AShartInTheWind
You're acting as if Trump is the root of the problem. Trump is a symptom. The true disease is the corporate owning class and their political pawns, which Dems happily play hand-in-hand with Republicans.
todayok
Trump's name was on the ballot.
Palestinian-Americans demanded people not vote vs voting against Trump.
AShartInTheWind
Because a vote for either Trump or Harris was a vote FOR the continued genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
Some people just can't bring themselves to put their stamp of approval on a genocide.
noReallyIamPrincessBob
The Media has been taken over by cowards.
RuffyRuffHausen
Just owned by right wing assholes
GhostSavage10
Who also just happen to be fascists.
PirateArrrgument
The media has been purchased, gutted, and transformed into a billionaire led propaganda machine meant to promote stage four capitalism at the expense of all else. And Zionism pays them better.
CallMeCourierSix
*The media has been taken over by the hyper-rich.
Fixed it for you.
kudzoo
*oligarchs, exploiting cowards, in order to secure a client state that scan be used to destabilize oil rich countries that choose to nationalize oil profits
OutboardOverlord
To whoever downvote these posts, made for awareness: Fuck. You.
WilliamGrey
Probably Israeli cucks
Imademyselfsquirtle
Kinda fucked up that any credibility Israel had because of WWII is no longer existing, any sympathy gone. The Nazis have their new army.
Niagaran
There's a couple of dozen bots that downvote just about everything.
rossimus
I upvoted the post but I had to downvote your comment because I always downvote comments that complain about downvotes out of principle.
CreeewDeeeTaaay
I downvoted your comment because I always downvote comments that come from people who always downvote comments from people who complain about downvotes.
Theniyaal
You're supposed to downvote people complaining about *themselves* being downvoted.
rossimus
A man must stick to his principles, even when it's hard
malbec
Israel owns MAGA. Make any inferences you need to.
Goldensands
Well of course they own the ppl of West Israel. Few things are as plain as that.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
You're naive to think they only own MAGA
Bobbutnotthatbob
Israel, Russia, the Saudis, it’s a free market!
Toqom
Ya, trump is the most blackmailed president ever and they blackmailed enough Republicans (all of them) to not care
NussKnuspermix
I will downvote this all day! Israel deserves all the hate but that doesn't make anything that happens there even close to compareable to the Ukrain-War.
Iran is a dictatorship that killed 30.000 peacefull protestors making even Chinas Tiamin Square blush in comparison, Palastine openly supported Hamas killings
Ukrain is a peaceful democracy that wanted to join EU and NATO and got invaded for that. I can't even begin to describe how fucking different that is and it pisses me off that I have to
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
NussKnuspermix
I'm not saying this is not injust or terrible, just that it's not compareable with ukraine and therefore shouldn't be.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Youre saying what was done to Ukraine is WORSE than what was done to Palestine??
NussKnuspermix
I'm saying that getting invaded completly unprovoked is different than supporting an attack that killed innocent people at a concert beforehand
If Ukraine did the exact same thing in russia NATO wouldn't support them at all, so comparing those two is not helping anyone and potentially downright toxic. You CAN'T muddy those waters or else we will soon have a worldwide Palastine from Taiwan to Brasil.
Thats not saying that what Israel is doing isn't a straight up genocide that should be condemed
Them3OtherGuys
Counterpoint: Some people don't want to see political posts, for a variety of reasons, including oversaturation. But since almost no one tags their political posts as political, the only thing those people can do is downvote and/or block. I'm not condoning it, but I expect to be heavily downvoted for pointing this out regardless. I could not care less.
MegaIlluminati
"Darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality during the times of moral crisis" -Dante alighieri
Onetonmanwithaspoon
Click the next button and move on.
ToSisPoS
Maybe try Fetlife instead.
whereismymind86
Counterpoint
Fuck off this is important
the world is on fire and people like you refusing to engage in politics is a huge part of the problem
migratingotter
How about just see the post isn’t what you had in mind and just moving on? You don’t have to react to everything.
StylesRockman
Like half your posts are explicitly political and you don't tag shit
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ChiLLeCheeze
Please enlighten me what part of it is propaganda.
thegoodowl
Yeah I get it, who wants to see children being killed with US tax dollars while looking for big titty goth girls
ChiLLeCheeze
Hey that's not fair. They might not like hearing consistently that Trump rapes kids. Imagine if YOU hooked your ego, thoughts, beliefs, and pretty much everything else for the kiddie fucker. How would you like to be reminded of your daily failures? Think of all the MAGA that fell for it again. And again. And again. How would you like your stupidity to be pointed out?
chukyrlaw
Fair point. I'll block you. It may help
ProfessorRectangle
Hey, can you block me too
CaveJohnsonHatesLemons
Lol if your stance is ostrich your head in the sand, gladly.
cousteau
They do have a point though; this stuff can be overwhelming to some and people sometimes need a way to escape reality. I'm all for raising awareness on this topic (for all the good it seems to be doing, but it's better than nothing I guess), but adding a tag is just a simple courtesy (and a way to get whiny bitches of your posts, which is also a plus).
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
True... Don't go on social media if you need a break. Especially not just the most popular posts. If I want a break I either go offline or go somewhere that this stuff doesn't just pop up. Might as well be on Youtube's front page going "Whoa whoa whoa. I come here for carpentry videos why is there all this news coverage?!" an r/ helps a lot.
scarlettsletters920
The way to escape reality these days is to disconnect from the internet
cousteau
But outside of the internet is where all the reality lives!