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A few weeks ago my grandfather started to feel sick. We were all hoping it was just a cold, but he wasn't getting any better after antibiotics so I got him an OTC covid test. It was positive.
My parents said that the line on the test was barely visible and that it was probably inaccurate. I argued that we need to call Sanepid (Polish equivalent of the CDC) to get him a proper test. They were initially against it because "what? You think I will have to quarantine and not go to work just because you want him to be tested?". After trying to convince them for hours they finally agreed and ordered the test. It was positive, again.
Since he seemed to be doing fairly OK at first, he would stay at home with us. I would not have to quarantine as per Polish law, because I am fully vaccinated and my test came back negative (that law is soon to change though, thankfully), but I still self-isolated so that I wouldn't endanger anyone else.
He wasn't getting any better, still. We hooked him up to an oxygen concentrator (not the same thing as a respirator, but that's what we had) and a nebulizer. We gave him all the meds he was prescribed. He got a bit better at first, but then his condition declined. Last time I saw him he could barely stand on his feet and his breathing was short and rapid.
My parents went to get tested. Mother came back positive, father negative (but he started showing symptoms since then).
Finally, Christmas, grandpa had such difficulty breathing that he asked for an ambulance. He was taken to a temporary covid hospital.
He called us daily but he was worse and worse. Eventually, we had trouble understanding half of the words he was saying to us. The doctors said that his condition was serious.
Today, we received a call informing us that he was put in a coma and is under a respirator. His recovery is highly unlikely. It is now probably just a matter of time until he dies.
My parents are anti-vaxxers, religious, radical right-wingers, homophobes, xenophobes, racists, you name it. And throughout the pandemic they went around the family arguing against the vaccine, against any forms of protection and quarantine, because "muh freedoms!". They would only wear a mask in stores, under their noses, of course. They would act high and mighty and called me stupid for having been vaccinated. After two freakin' years of this crap they still don't understand how masks work and how the vaccine works. Neither do most of the people in my workplace. And neither did my grandfather, unfortunately.
I'm so frustrated. My parents are now in tears, my grandfather will likely die because of the idiocy they've been spreading. I can't help but think that maybe if he wasn't being convinced against it daily, my grandfather would have gotten the vaccine. Maybe. And I wonder whether they will have learnt their lesson, but I doubt it.
I haven't seen my girlfriend for weeks because of all this as well. She admitted last night that her depression is getting worse and I'm helpless against it.
Sorry for the sob story, but I'm just so angry and sad, needed to vent.
TLDR: get your relatives to get the vaccine, show them studies, statistics. Sorry to be blunt but if they don't, they are a walking menace.
EDIT: Granpa passed away January 3rd ;( Thank you for all the support.
Bystandr
Talk to your Gf - order her some takeout if you can. Tell her you are thinking of her. That should help.
Aeolys
Make plans to get cut them out of your life. And let them know that they murdered grandpa.
fuznotfuz
This is terrible, and I'm sorry.
FilthyRapscallions
Hate to say it, but you are almost certainly correct. They will have learned nothing, regardless of the outcome. That’s been my experience
Chalybos
Sorry for what you’re going through, and yes, you’re right to blame your parents.
getyourfruitoffmeyoudamndirtygrapes
I'm not sure if this analogy works, but like WW2 the world is experiencing horrors of mass deaths, just not Nazis this time. Enemy is denial
Chasmann
What a tragic story. I’m so sorry. It’s sad that people are afraid to test because they can’t afford (I assume) to miss work.
hollywilsonpregler9000
Aww dang. Hang in there, OP. I hope this will help you reach your parents. I hope your grandpa makes it through and I hope your gf is ok.
certainlynotaserialkiller
by brother gave my gran the rona because he lied about having it. i nocked out roughly half his teeth.
karolajna
Trzymam za Was kciuki!
quietwalker
It should be legal to punch people in the face each time they spew antivax rhetoric. It won't fix anything, but it will make me feel better.
thornedrose27
So sorry your family is causing you so much pain and suffering. Hugs and more hugs.
dedpaen
You are struggling with the outcome of a terrible decision that wasn’t yours. Send your gf notes, flowers and let her know you care.
Cats2cats
You cannot save everyone, just yourself. Neither can you be a tower of strength for all. They all made the choice not to vaxx. Ask them if/2
Cats2cats
their affairs are in order & pw’s written down./1
MoarCatsPleez
Some generation(s) you can no longer save. Now teach the younger generations of being healthy. Prevent obesity. Build a stronger heart.
Dellaaa
I am so sorry, aunt in ICU incubated & her kids wouldn't allow tests for 5 days. Denialists & worse were traveling & not home when it happen
Dellaaa
Likelyhood of her coming out alive slim. I don't know how to fight the stupidity and tired of trying.
BillHubbard
Stay strong Polish friend. Thanks for speaking up. Best wishes .
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
I’m so very sorry for your pain! I wish there was something I could do! My mom had Covid, then the vaccine as soon as it was available…
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
…but really, at 85 & 86 she never fully recovered from the Covid. A year of getting better & worse again. She passed from a heart attack…
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
on August 31, 2021. I blame Covid. & she was vaccinated! Your poor grandpa didn’t have a chance. That’s not fair. I’m just so sorry! ?hugs//
fskn
So sorry about your grandpa, but I still hoping he'll recover.
MrNobodyLivesHere
The doctor should tell your parents killed him, they should own the burden of their creation.
youbetchamom
"Media is corrupt!" Sez my anti vax family. They don't believe the stats. "It's all a lie!"
doclivingston
It's so frustrating that conspiracy theorists don't at all require anything to make logistical sense, like the idea of a GLOBAL conspiracy.
youbetchamom
They never leave their comfort bubble. If you show them stats, they immediately retreat back to their safe Q spaces. They're in a cult.
greggor
Why did you give him antibiotics if you thought he had a cold? Antibiotics are for bacterial infections and the cold is caused by a virus.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Could have thought chest infection, my only guess
rmmmm
I’m really sorry @op…Will they at least change a bit of their mind or will they blame it on others (or in any myths they believe in)?
Mithi
Unfortunately most likely not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Fallacy_effect works for more than just money
rmmmm
damn I always forget about this ?.
nat300Lord
I am in the sam boat as you. I live in the Slavic Pentecostal community in the States. Ignorant people who are dying because of that.
ilovebigmutts
I've tried with the few antivax members of my family, it ends with anger and frustration as they can't win the argument. I've given up.
HelpfulCorn
Best I've heard is you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get into. Save the effort
ilovebigmutts
I've given up. The worst part is the crying and anger they have when they realize the world has moved on and they're not a part of it.
sevenfingerman
My grandfather died of covid last year, my parents literally blame “science”. I almost cut them out of my life.
snowy129
Almost?!
khora
They are right, you know. Without science we wouldn’t have the planes to fly the virus out of China.
cabalin
Or to read stupid comments on the internet
MeowMachine12
You're intentionally missing the point
khora
Yeah, of course.
Norwegiansilverback
It would just have taken longer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4364181/
Pikkupanda
Not a sob story. Your pain and anger are genuine and maybe, just maybe, they'll reach a skeptic. I hope at least venting helps you.
PostmasterG
Tell your girlfriend you need her to be strong for you (and this is coming from a dude that suffers from panic, anxiety, and depression). 1/
ZoidbergIsGreat
She should seek out professional help. Op doesn't have the resources to help her right now
Dracalia
Sometimes having to be strong for someone else helps you not focus on your own depression. -someone who’s had a bought or two.
PostmasterG
Also, tell your parents to listen to you without speaking for like 5 mins so you can tell them how fing dumb they are. Sorry to hear 2/
PostmasterG
about your Gramps... and sorry you are surrounded by psychopaths.
Wynja
Everyone's different, so keep in mind that this could also sound like a dismissal, like "how dare you be depressed while my grandpa's dying"
Wynja
and cause more spiralling guilt and shame instead
Bezaid
Definitely, everyone processes differently. If she's prone to self blame, try to affirm her feelings first & then talk it through.
itsbry
Why not treat immediately instead of waiting to see if it’s really bad? We don’t treat any other affliction with a wait-and-see attitude!
Kiore
Not that I'm saying it doesn't need to change but "she'll be right mate" has been the Kiwi bloke approach to healthcare since forever.
Yasashii93
True. And I tried to convey this to my parents but they wouldn't agree to a test. It was like talking to a brick wall.
DustyPigeon
Did your grandpa have the same beliefs as your parents? He may be just as much to blame for his own demise?
Yasashii93
Yes, he did, sadly. But he would go downstairs to talk to my parents every evening and they would all almost scream over the news 1/2
Yasashii93
2/2 "To hell with the regulations! The vaccine is untested! Masks don't work" etc. Mostly initiated by my father.
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
Here's to hoping that this first hand experience will at least open the door to them becoming more educated. Perhaps if the doctors are 1/2
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
Direct in saying that the vaccine helps etc, but I know the antivax crowd thinks all the doctors are in on it so I hope for the best for you
brainkandle1
Fuck your dad. Sounds like he just parrots Hannity and Tucker which is fucking embarrassing and a large swath of the US is FOX news addicts