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PigsCanJump
Fuckin SAVED
HubicPairs
I love the thought of a violent Nazi takeover being slowed or stopped by a hotline
MintyFreshReferrals
Westmoreland, any relation to the Vietnam-era military commander?
rossonerinho
on trump's order, hegseth eliminates the gi rights hotline in ... 3 ... 2 ...1 ...
nizbit
Sounds like one of those company hotlines where it's just a self reporting insubordination hr tool.
Wardonk3y
And don't forget "just following orders" is not a plausible defense. If you don't believe me just look at Nuremberg
walnutbreath
Oh, look, a guardrail that won't hold. He's going to have dissenteters tried by tribubal and executed. Soldiers would have better luck fragging their COs and deserting.
Jewdakris
My question is who do we report the people who are violating it to. The scumbags who are gonna abuse their power even more now, oh wait, no one to report them too. Even these calls will fall on deaf ears.
Banzai51
And remember, "just following orders," is not a valid defense.
DandyLion23
Document everything. Check local laws on recording conversations. Install a call recorder on your phone. If you're called into a meeting, start recording software before you go in, turn off the screen and put your phone and wallet on the table when you sit down. Download your emails to your own computer so they can be disappeared by IT.
VinnyVeritas
You only have to obey LAWFUL ORDERS. Several senior officers were prosecuted and fired during my time in the military for Laws of Armed Conflict violations and/or fraud
n0n53n53
"I'm sorry this number has been disconnected"
downvoteifyouhatekittens
None of this stuff actually means anything, the higher ups will always stick together and find a way to screw you. If you don't do what you're told that's it. The military is just as corrupt as everywhere else
TheLooja
The Officer core is just as corrupt as the politicians.
bikergeek6249
Also, remember that "Just following orders" will work about as well in 2029 as it did in 1946.
freshthrowaway1138
Not to dissuade anyone, but just because you are doing the right thing or even following the Law, that does not mean you won't suffer. There will probably be the immediate act of putting you into a military/federal/state prison until you have a hearing. If you get a hearing. Heck, you might not even get out until the entire system is replaced.
jeejeejerrycotton
There is literally literally nothing a soldier or National Guard fucko would rather do than violate other people's rights lmao.
maxthemagician
you are aware Trump aides have told him that they cant just shoot protestors?
Bananabeanie
Eh?
1966flodur
I see some unnecessary spending that will be cut soon. If you think the US checks and balances will hold a second time you are a very optimistic person. I hope you are right but in his first term he did tremendous damage, his acolytes have rigged the system the past four years wherever they could. So it might hold but the odds are not good.
ToSisPoS
“Due to higher than usual call volume your wait time is estimated at: 5 epochs.”
DonkeyGoat
Epochsimately 5 epochs.
RocMage
Yeah, I wonder how long it is until everyone in that building is "reassigned".
Furyustyles
It's a nonprofit, non-governmental organization.
ALpBeck
Trump and Co said they'd put something in place to determine whether certain nonprofits are supporting terrorism. I wouldn’t put it past them to use that clause once they enable it.
Z0op
Which is going to get blamed for inciting treason… if its of any positive benefit, one way or another theyll find a way to get rid of it
AReallySatisfyingPoo
I wonder how long it is until everyone that works there is arrested for Trumped up charges
RicheTheBuddha
👍 on "Trumped up charges."
We're all probably going to see a lot of that going forward.
lunatic02
"trumped" up charges.
myotheralt
“I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
myotheralt
The semicolons are important, and the order of the clauses as written and spoken is important. The president, the man, is below protecting the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.
redsmerf
Also, the "according to regulations and the [UCMJ]" is important. Unless TFG actually gets the regs and code changed
Corrodias
In theory. But an oath isn't a law, and now look who's in charge of adjudicating those.
GrayHogan
Also, the UCMJ being the overall ruling authority.
ViolentlyJaded
If you're trying to report, try to have stuff in writing. Yes, sometimes people are this stupid. If you ask them to email you exactly what they want, you have it with their signature block.
sardonislamir
No, you send a signed email with your pki cert. You state what they asked you to do as a confirmation request. I do this whenever a request counters policy. Or feels sketchy.
Sign emails use non repeatiation. They can't claim they never receive the emails. Not answering it as good as confirmation.
smorsdoeuvres
blaghart
if you are trying to report, remember that it won't go anywhere. The GI rules that state you have to disobey an illegal order are there so they can punish you after the fact, not there to get you to stop bad things from happening. If you see illegal behavior, you have to be willing to be Chelsea Manning'd or Ed Snowden'd to report it, because the system is designed to scapegoat whistleblowers
blaghart
Also do not misunderstand me, the point of this comment isn't nihilism, it's to warn you ahead of time: You have to be prepared to fight, saying "Hey that's bad, stop it!" is not going to be enough. You have to be willing to get hit to stop bad things.
RicheTheBuddha
Good points, thank you.
nasukkin
I wasn't aware that members of our army are permitted to delay obeying orders until they receive a written copy.
Leithoa
If it is an illegal order they don't have to follow it (and hopefully won't)
ViolentlyJaded
Yes, you can question orders. It doesn't always go well, but you have a legal obligation NOT to follow unlawful orders. This means you can request clarification for something you feel may be illegal.
TheCunningLinguists
Tis a dark day in America. May we all make it through the Fire Swamp with only a few singes.
Leithoa
Last time 350,000 people died of a largely avoidable disease, Afghanistan was handed back to the theocrats we deposed, the US rioted for months, and dozens of intelligence assets were imprisoned and / or executed. I don't expect it to be any better.
smorsdoeuvres
DeeplyBroken
Only 35 minutes of America left as of this writing. Naziland is looming large.
Tumescentpie
I'm pretty sure we're fucked. It was a run. Not a great or a good one, but a run all the same
peedrinkingcrapface
so often the seeds of progress can only germinate in Fire Swamps or similarly oppressive climes - and vise versa - the roots oppression so often take hold beneath the languid soil of enlightenment. this is the central paradox around which human history has spun wildly for ten millennia.
RocMage
but what about the R.O.U.S.'s?
TheCunningLinguists
Rump's cabinet of deplorables? What about them?
FermentTheRich3000
Republicans of unusual sadism?
Sunegami
They *definitely* exist
jrntn
A lot of us won't make it at all. That's what's at stake, what has always been at stake. But American voters decided that those lives just don't matter
ElChupaNuggra
Well, if and when comes the day we get to take back Democracy and the Future, we'll remember that choice, that decision, and when they are backed against the wall and scream and beg for us to be the 'better person', for us to grant them mercy for their 'mistakes'... We'll ask them if they gave that chance to the millions of dead souls they gleefully sacrificed, watch the hope you'll let them live and poison the next generation of Peace with their ideas fade from their eyes, replaced by FEAR...
CelestialSea
Not only do you, "not have to go through with it" you assume all civil and criminal liability if you do follow an illegal order.