They seem to not view us as real human beings from up on their ivory tower, so sometimes they need to be dragged down into the dirt to be reminded that they're made of the same stuff we are.
The problem is that the wealth gap at this point is so large that most people can’t even comprehend the scale. That warehouse was a blip they probably didn’t even feel.
Bu-but you don't understand! If the rich got taxed and they had to pay their workers a livable wage, their already big number isn't going to continue growing quite as fast! :(
I don't give a fuck about the owners, but people shouldn't be celebrating this shit. The arsonist endangered a lot of innocent lives. They endangered the fireman who have to respond to the fire, plus its in California so the wind blowing wrong could cause fires that would damage the homes of people who have nothing to do with the owner. And I've seen nothing showing this dumb fuck made sure no workers were in the warehouse.
A man set an entire warehouse full of products on fire. Random goods, think, like an Amazon inventory warehouse. He recorded it, and on the video he repeatedly said, "All you had to do was pay us a living wage." And he burnt the entire thing to the ground. It was very much pre meditated. First, he set off the smoke alarms. The fire department responded and disabled them. Once disabled, he immediately set fire to an aisle of toilet paper and the whole thing went up in flames.
Underpaid overworked employee set fire to an entire toilet paper warehouse because their corporate vampires didnt want to pay their workers a livable wage.
I’m sorry but the only real change it made was CEO’s getting better protection. Your health insurance companies are still ripping people off with high costs and refusing of treatments.
An awful lot of corporations were quite quick to take down all the public-facing info on their c-suites from their websites, for one. The head of Five Guys was rather explicit in offering up a bonus to employees after a fucked up ad campaign because, quote, he didn't want to get shot.
Someone burned down a Kimberly-Clark warehouse in Ontario, CA (that's California, not Canada). They recorded themselves in the act, saying "all they had to do was pay us enough to live" while setting fire to merchandise inside the building. The fire suppression systems initially controlled the blaze, but more fires were set and the building eventually burned down. Nobody was injured and the person was arrested.
Would be interesting to know what your job is. My bet is unqualified "Head of" in some BS Tech Start-Up. Not rich on it's own but up enough the coperate ladder to cralw some asses and push "team moral" for a living and hoping to get to the "big boy" table one day. The "We're not paying you enough but we're a family here"-type.
Honestly? This is only a tragic waste depending what the working class does with this. If nothing is done, then it's just a waste. These people are jobless and the company gets an insurance payout.
If workers were to actually try to fight for their rights, then we'd all be better off with better wages and working conditions.
Resistance requires both direct and indirect action. Protests and rallies build communities. Without communities, you end up with factionalized juntas that rip apart the country they purport to save.
True revolution can't be done alone. And protests help build the networks and communities that will support those affected by actions like the warehouse arson.
It won't honestly. This is one warehouse for a corporation that has close to a hundred different warehouses and production facilities, the majority of them outside the US. They're publicly traded, worth over $18bn, and majority owned by investment groups like Black Rock. They'll claim insurance for the warehouse, get their payout, probably rebuild it, and operate business as usual. If they give in to employee threats and demands, it'll set a precedent and hurt their stock.
I mean the dude did say "this 100 times" meaning that if you repeatedly burn down their warehouses 100 times they will take notice. Also showing up at your bosses house and telling them if they dont change working conditions you and the rest of the workers will literally beat them to death and burn their house down is how workers even got rights in the first place.
This isnt the 1950s or 60s. This company will file an insurance claim, increase security and preventative measures, and probably move elsewhere offshore. This burn-it-all-down narrative is inspiring, but also terrifying and short-sighted.
That whole show is just magic. I don't know if it could ever be recreated... I know JMS promised a remake a while ago, but I don't see how that could work any more.
Well he wants to see what he can do with another 30 years of polish on his writing. And to redress some of his failed plots like the Telepath war never getting a screen presence. Though Gkar and Londo left big shoes to fill. As did Delenn.
Second coming of Luigi. Dude filmed himself setting fire to multiple pallets of toilet paper in a Kimberly-Clark gigantic warehouse, while stating multiple times “all you had to do was pay us a living wage”. He was smart about it too(besides filming his crime, which I dont think he cared about getting caught) set a mini fire, fire dept came and shut off all the sprinklers so it wouldn’t damage the product, then he lit the real fire and took down the whole warehouse.
That’s not going to work out for them the way they think. Their technology of fragile and they don’t understand how it works. Their bunkers aren’t going to protect them, either. Their egotism and riches have insulated them from this world as it presently is - with its pretty manners, and its laws from which they can pick and choose what to obey - but nothing can save them from the one that is being born.
Uh-huh. And how long will it take to develop said robotic workforce? How expensive? And upkeep? Who will perform maintenance? We'll just retreat meekly under threat of being replaced by robots then, right? And I suppose we'll be accepting the punitive paycut as well for daring to seek an improvement to our living situation?
They're already doing that anyway! They would replace every worker with a robot, right now, if the tech was good enough. It doesn't matter if you are a good compliant worker, or a disgruntled worker who burns down the warehouse, they want to replace all of you, because their greed can never be satisfied.
I don't think it will stop people in this position from burning down their warehouses. Sam Altman had a Molotov cocktail thrown at his house today. People are getting angry.
So … not any time soon. They won’t say it but they KNOW they need you. It’s part of why the AI bubble is so big … if it replaces us for real it’s a game changer.
Think about it … if it was profitable they’d do it. But $25M setup to replace $3M in salaries?
Also they are scared shitless because if you make a whoopsie, it’s an insurance claim. If they program shit wrong, it’s on them … and another $5-10M to restaff.
It’s just cheaper to lobby congress to keep minimum wage inhumanly low. F.
I made a comment that the companies would be covered by their insurance and the people setting the fires would be prosecuted. Got 30 downvotes. People don't want to hear the truth, they want to think this is the answer.
Did you listen to any of the explanations about why this isn't the silver bullet you think it is or are you just convinced that insurance magically insulates companies from losses no matter what
If they get caught. Also just because you're a large corporation doesn't mean that the insurance companies are going to be easy to deal with. They'll fuck individuals and businesses alike in trying not to pay out for damages. That being said, I have no sympathy at all for a business that treats employees so poorly that they torch the place. Fuck em. We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn.
Insurance is not guaranteed. If your employees keep burning your shit down, no normal insurer will take you, and the surplus market gets thinner and thinner. The first couple fires, sure, there's coverage. That doesn't last forever.
Often really huge corporations self insure themselves for anything less than $1 Billion. So they will have to take a write down on their profits for this, plus their catastrophic insurance rates will increase. Because they are an easy target for income inequality rage. IE paper burns really good.
FunkyRobo
We didn't start the fire
snofler
kurvarVillain
TheDefective
doctorId
They seem to not view us as real human beings from up on their ivory tower, so sometimes they need to be dragged down into the dirt to be reminded that they're made of the same stuff we are.
Powerish
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZXNsdWpoN2Vrb2U0NHNkNzl5MDNnZzk3ajZhNng4anNpdmNlbGs4byZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/OsfVaOer7N2265YTRF/200w.webp
donkeythumper
The problem is that the wealth gap at this point is so large that most people can’t even comprehend the scale. That warehouse was a blip they probably didn’t even feel.
Ritawho
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
megazord666
And dance in the light :D
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
Maevellous
"Violence is never the right answer... until it is the only answer"
hipifreq
When that was turned down our friend Luigi reminded everyone of the next step
goaldigga
Happy to upvote this to 69
GravyEducation
Weeigie
relsky
Nah, Luigi was with me that day. He didn't remind anyone of anything.
PepperoniAndFingernailPizza
Bro, you're lying. He was at my house. We were watching TV on the couch.
Endocrom
kInADress
What's the context?
Farreg
I wonder if sending toiler rolls to CEOs would be considered a threat...
MightyIink
Just pay more than 0% tax like the rest of us...
idiotsonfire
Nah. Pay 90% effective. Corporate tax needs to jump to at least 45%, if not 75%. Reinvest in your company. Take smaller paychecks.
idiotsonfire
If you don't? Expect to be paying hundreds of millions to tens of billions in taxes.
BeaverOnFire
They're not even paying 0%. After subsidies and other tax loopholes, they're actually paying a negative tax rate.
SamuthNBS
Are insurance payouts taxable?
acejlp
This is how revolutions start.
J3lek
RadasNoir
Bu-but you don't understand! If the rich got taxed and they had to pay their workers a livable wage, their already big number isn't going to continue growing quite as fast! :(
porfyria
Earworm installation successful. That is seriously a great user name, especially for the type of content you post
Imalwaysready
"Our?" So far, like, three people have done anything of note. This is not widespread, yet. There is no "our," yet.
kaneinencanto
Small steps complete long journeys.
GreaterDog
Paper goods warehouse, holy shit
syko2k
Insurance buildings next. Play it smart.
boobityboobityboobity
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/theminewars-labor-wars-us/ I googled it for you if you want to learn on your own. Why don't you see how workers got rights. It wasn't because it was voted on
Imapseudonym
I don't give a fuck about the owners, but people shouldn't be celebrating this shit. The arsonist endangered a lot of innocent lives. They endangered the fireman who have to respond to the fire, plus its in California so the wind blowing wrong could cause fires that would damage the homes of people who have nothing to do with the owner. And I've seen nothing showing this dumb fuck made sure no workers were in the warehouse.
dontrike
"The Jews shouldn't have fought back cause it endangered people that were just sitting on the fence!"
KittiesBeEverywhere
Gots to break eggs to make omelettes though
walkingdad1960
you have to love it when a revolution starts with toilet paper.... Tea party anyone?
thatwoodguy
Watch them automate every Factory and storage facility to reduce their amount of people they pay inside the facility
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
That's already happening. But yeah, it will become even more widespread now.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
yo what happened?
METROlD
A man set an entire warehouse full of products on fire. Random goods, think, like an Amazon inventory warehouse. He recorded it, and on the video he repeatedly said, "All you had to do was pay us a living wage." And he burnt the entire thing to the ground. It was very much pre meditated. First, he set off the smoke alarms. The fire department responded and disabled them. Once disabled, he immediately set fire to an aisle of toilet paper and the whole thing went up in flames.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Underpaid overworked employee set fire to an entire toilet paper warehouse because their corporate vampires didnt want to pay their workers a livable wage.
RooGryphon
its all they had to do
Alysaere
allegedly
ProficientInGifs
Allegedly.
JustFeedMePieDammit
idiotsonfire
If you see someone burning down a warehouse of a corpo that underpays their employees, no. You didn't.
FirstInLastOut
Sadly, this is why they want robots
dontrike
No, they want robots to have unfeeling slaves that will do any work they tell them.
JanglesPrime
Robots burn as well. And much harder to replace than a human.
sirava
They want slaves. They'll settle for robots.
Turbogoat
That's a shame, they should have wished for fireproof robots.
johnvilnis
Killing a CEO did nothing so maybe hitting them in the profits might do something.
whereismymind86
it did quite a lot actually, even if it didn't instantly lead to mass healthcare reform, it definitely had an impact
johnvilnis
I’m sorry but the only real change it made was CEO’s getting better protection. Your health insurance companies are still ripping people off with high costs and refusing of treatments.
Sk3tz0
I've been living under a rock what exactly has it done. Other than create memes
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
A metric shit ton of medical claims were pushed through and approved immediately after
AreYouABadPerson
An awful lot of corporations were quite quick to take down all the public-facing info on their c-suites from their websites, for one. The head of Five Guys was rather explicit in offering up a bonus to employees after a fucked up ad campaign because, quote, he didn't want to get shot.
sometimesarobot
Okay what the fuck did I miss
unluckyandbored
Someone burned down a Kimberly-Clark warehouse in Ontario, CA (that's California, not Canada). They recorded themselves in the act, saying "all they had to do was pay us enough to live" while setting fire to merchandise inside the building. The fire suppression systems initially controlled the blaze, but more fires were set and the building eventually burned down. Nobody was injured and the person was arrested.
sometimesarobot
Niiiiice
Frobizzle
And many people now out of jobs. And a guy frustrated with his status in life now has no future.
idiotsonfire
They should have paid them enough to live.
NussKnuspermix
Would be interesting to know what your job is. My bet is unqualified "Head of" in some BS Tech Start-Up. Not rich on it's own but up enough the coperate ladder to cralw some asses and push "team moral" for a living and hoping to get to the "big boy" table one day. The "We're not paying you enough but we're a family here"-type.
KingdomsCrown
I'm sure a few shareholders lost money because of this stunt too
Sironagold
Many people who weren't being paid enough to live now have enough time to jobsearch while being able to collect unemployment
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
A guy with no future still has no future. But now he's a folk hero.
TheDaharMaster
Revolution is never easy on anyone. Maybe that’s the point. I’m not applauding his behavior, but I understand it.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Honestly? This is only a tragic waste depending what the working class does with this. If nothing is done, then it's just a waste. These people are jobless and the company gets an insurance payout.
If workers were to actually try to fight for their rights, then we'd all be better off with better wages and working conditions.
OumuamuaBanana
Seems @Frobizzle comment also got burned down.
EnigmaticEmpress
This a hundred times will do more than a hundred peaceful protests ever could.
pfunk81
That doesn't make any sense but God damn i agree.
whereismymind86
Yep, There is a reason the powers that be completely ignore protests, and freak the fuck out about riots and vandalism.
unluckyandbored
Change cannot happen without disruption.
PedanticAsshat
Thousands.
Jinxies
ongabonga
I am honored to say: THIS IS SPARTA!
doesTheUNmatter
https://abc7.com/post/fire-inside-ontario-mills-mall-prompts-closure-arson-investigation/18867715/
Another Ontario arsonist on Friday
WireWynaut
Resistance requires both direct and indirect action. Protests and rallies build communities. Without communities, you end up with factionalized juntas that rip apart the country they purport to save.
Lynkfox
This needs to be higher.
True revolution can't be done alone. And protests help build the networks and communities that will support those affected by actions like the warehouse arson.
Both are necessary
Harbltron
Stabbing Capital in the wallet is protest using the only language it understands; money.
These corporations could both be immensely profitable and pay their employees properly, these are not mutually exclusive concepts.
Trunkmonkay
It won't honestly. This is one warehouse for a corporation that has close to a hundred different warehouses and production facilities, the majority of them outside the US. They're publicly traded, worth over $18bn, and majority owned by investment groups like Black Rock. They'll claim insurance for the warehouse, get their payout, probably rebuild it, and operate business as usual. If they give in to employee threats and demands, it'll set a precedent and hurt their stock.
If you want 1/
Trunkmonkay
Something like this to matter, burn down every warehouse in Ontario CA.
ExplodingPortaPotty
I mean the dude did say "this 100 times" meaning that if you repeatedly burn down their warehouses 100 times they will take notice. Also showing up at your bosses house and telling them if they dont change working conditions you and the rest of the workers will literally beat them to death and burn their house down is how workers even got rights in the first place.
Hexidimentional
they forget why they agreed to allow unions. This was the alternative.
encrypteddecryption
This isnt the 1950s or 60s. This company will file an insurance claim, increase security and preventative measures, and probably move elsewhere offshore. This burn-it-all-down narrative is inspiring, but also terrifying and short-sighted.
dontrike
Half of what you described they'll do is what anyone would do in the 50's & 60's. Hopefully it keeps happening to them
whereismymind86
that simply illustrates why doing it once isn't enough. The entire point of union is they can't fire/jail/kill everyone.
Yarrula
You cannot offshore a distribution warehouse in the country you want to sell products in.
DorkJedi
1920's there, history buff. And they had insurance then too. How much do they pay you to try and counter this?
catherinecc
Insurance companies have been tripling premiums and dumping customers over the last few years because they understand this threat.
sundaymondayhippyday
Hopefully https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJld3FqODhjaDNwZ21ydG42cm8wdnU4Nzc0Yjh1aG5hZnplOW52bnpmNCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/9D4A0170LuHt7JMz4j/giphy.mp4
JanglesPrime
If it keeps happening insurance can't cover it all, and not every company can move overseas.
CheeseCoffeeChests
i believe the frech got both
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
Maintenance du routine
Hexidimentional
the french really know how to protest
CheeseCoffeeChests
Ye. Protest, cheese and wine.
lightfoot2
They learned their lesson once. We will teach it to them again.....
Nostradamuswaswrong
Love that scene. Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik were absolutely brilliant.
tinydog
My good, dear friend.
Rivalyn
That whole show is just magic. I don't know if it could ever be recreated... I know JMS promised a remake a while ago, but I don't see how that could work any more.
secretdpp
Well he wants to see what he can do with another 30 years of polish on his writing. And to redress some of his failed plots like the Telepath war never getting a screen presence. Though Gkar and Londo left big shoes to fill. As did Delenn.
johndoejersey05
The rich learned, too. Why do you think police have been militarized to an insane degree over the past 40 years?
Colopty
They shot at unions the last time they had to learn the lesson, so that's not a new tactic.
Hexidimentional
because they didnt watch pixars a bugs life
thisisnotfineffs
I love how many of my childhood movies have good messages like that
lightfoot2
We will teach it to them again.
misterCT
My bad, been working overtime. What happened now?
Uninipple
Second coming of Luigi. Dude filmed himself setting fire to multiple pallets of toilet paper in a Kimberly-Clark gigantic warehouse, while stating multiple times “all you had to do was pay us a living wage”. He was smart about it too(besides filming his crime, which I dont think he cared about getting caught) set a mini fire, fire dept came and shut off all the sprinklers so it wouldn’t damage the product, then he lit the real fire and took down the whole warehouse.
misterCT
Nice. Hopefully none of the workers were hurt.
AngurProne
Earlier article said no one hurt.
JanglesPrime
No one was hurt.
TheMomaw
I worry that their solution won't be higher wages for humans, it's going to be warehouse robots that replace humans.
shorey66
They can be burned as well.
pancreas
if they could, they already would have
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
That’s not going to work out for them the way they think. Their technology of fragile and they don’t understand how it works. Their bunkers aren’t going to protect them, either. Their egotism and riches have insulated them from this world as it presently is - with its pretty manners, and its laws from which they can pick and choose what to obey - but nothing can save them from the one that is being born.
ThM1ck
Robots burn too.
SignedEpsteinsMother
Uh-huh. And how long will it take to develop said robotic workforce? How expensive? And upkeep? Who will perform maintenance? We'll just retreat meekly under threat of being replaced by robots then, right? And I suppose we'll be accepting the punitive paycut as well for daring to seek an improvement to our living situation?
whereismymind86
they were already planning to do that, plus, hey, robots makes it vandalism, not murder, so win win.
Rhythmaster
They're already doing that anyway! They would replace every worker with a robot, right now, if the tech was good enough. It doesn't matter if you are a good compliant worker, or a disgruntled worker who burns down the warehouse, they want to replace all of you, because their greed can never be satisfied.
figuringeights
I don't think it will stop people in this position from burning down their warehouses. Sam Altman had a Molotov cocktail thrown at his house today. People are getting angry.
sundaymondayhippyday
He also raped his sister though…..o
klausvonlichtenstein
So … not any time soon. They won’t say it but they KNOW they need you. It’s part of why the AI bubble is so big … if it replaces us for real it’s a game changer.
Think about it … if it was profitable they’d do it. But $25M setup to replace $3M in salaries?
Also they are scared shitless because if you make a whoopsie, it’s an insurance claim. If they program shit wrong, it’s on them … and another $5-10M to restaff.
It’s just cheaper to lobby congress to keep minimum wage inhumanly low. F.
PosthumousExile
Open ai is also backing a bill to limit liability on AI for mass death and financial disasters btw
Cthulhuchooseyou
Their CEO is now getting Molotov cocktails thrown at their house, so there's that.
ThunderStrike2021
It would be anyway. So why lay down and take it?
jetah
I installed the conveyor part of warehouse automation for grocery distribution centers. That was a decade+ ago.
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
That'd be a poor solution to growing civil untest
trondason1
Who has ever accused CEOs of having good solutions?
TheMuellmann
Not like they don't usually sprint towards the poor solutions ...
Cranbananarama
An angry mob with even MORE free time and a new thing to be angry over? What would they possibly do? Surely nothing untoward.
scarlettsletters920
Ya what am I possibly going to do with this decade of maintenaning key infrastructure and all this electrical knowledge that I have... Nothing I guess
cantbelievethisisstillavailable
I made a comment that the companies would be covered by their insurance and the people setting the fires would be prosecuted. Got 30 downvotes. People don't want to hear the truth, they want to think this is the answer.
TheSecondPiewackit
This a hundred times and you think the insurance companies are still going to be able to pay out? Keep premiums the same? Take new policies?
TheSecondPiewackit
That's just shy of $16 billion, homie.
Arbitrarynamehere
Did you listen to any of the explanations about why this isn't the silver bullet you think it is or are you just convinced that insurance magically insulates companies from losses no matter what
B3N15
They'll lose money because all the inventory in the warehouse won't be covered at the sell price, but at the manufacturing price.
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
If they get caught. Also just because you're a large corporation doesn't mean that the insurance companies are going to be easy to deal with. They'll fuck individuals and businesses alike in trying not to pay out for damages. That being said, I have no sympathy at all for a business that treats employees so poorly that they torch the place. Fuck em. We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn.
MajorasTerribleFate
Insurance is not guaranteed. If your employees keep burning your shit down, no normal insurer will take you, and the surplus market gets thinner and thinner. The first couple fires, sure, there's coverage. That doesn't last forever.
phoenix0path
Yep. France taught the class. Time to start testing their thesis here.
Neanderthalersutopiaphilandrousanteatersotherbrother
It works pretty well all over europe
whereismymind86
yeah, because it was a stupid comment. It's not the truth, it's bootlicking submission.
martineb72
Often really huge corporations self insure themselves for anything less than $1 Billion. So they will have to take a write down on their profits for this, plus their catastrophic insurance rates will increase. Because they are an easy target for income inequality rage. IE paper burns really good.
MCHammer90
Problem I have is that the paper wasnt sustainably sourced in the first place and now they're going to cut down even more forests ...