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SuitcaseJefferson
Jesus wept.
SwissScars
Unbefuckinlievable, or just another Trump idiousy. "The President's Brain is missing" seems to be traditional. Swinglish, otherwise would sign.
itrytoonlysaypositivethings
Wait .. what is actually left? Economists and lawyers?
nietzchebomb
I thought the department of education was dismantled by elons sycophants.
chaosundivided
I kind of feel like an aging man with cardiac and neurological symptoms would try and fund nurses as much as his tiny hands would allow...
Phixik
No, it doesn’t necessarily mean your degree is “less valid” fundamentally — it’s more about student loan policy (which programs get access to higher loan caps).
varonicaED
Engineering? I mean they are all professions that are absolutely vital and spend years of work and large sums of money obtaining, but engineering?
153LegacyTree
engineering?
slidewhistlesymphony
Tell that to my wife who has been an RN since 1992.
jtxyz
I don't quite understand the significance of this.
Is this just limiting the ability of people in these programs from getting federal loans?
(And I don't mean to use "just" to downplay significance, merely limit scope). Is there more to it?
I don't know what this new reclassification actually means.
hotephatt
Hurting people is their intent
Nukls
Canada
Where Health Care is about caring for People, and their Health
not gatekeeping for Insurance Companies
Come for a visit. Stay for a Career
KitteyWolf
yeah and we're in desperate need for more doctors and nurses :)
Ivain
... I'm sorry, engineering? Who the fuck will design build their private jets and yachts and systems they need to move goods to make money? That has to be an entirely new level of retarded...
JRaven419
I've noticed that "Right wing / MAGA" type people can't seem to think about "and then what?"
Ivain
Also goes to show most of the rich fuckwits in charge failed upwards, because no actual self-made man would fail to comprehend the importance of engineering to their very own company.
Now, in more recent posts it was defined as Engineering Master's instead, but that just means they'll get already qualified engineers lured abroad with affordable masteries.
And I also realized people rich enough to afford college outright could still get those degrees, but those are far too few in numbers.
annonymouse211
Lol, as an NP I have three separate state licenses I maintain, a board certification, and a DEA license. I manage my own patients and could own and operate my own private practice if I chose not to work with a physician. But.... I'm not a "professional?" I hope the nurse's association absolutely eats these people ALIVE for this. Nurses keep the healthcare industry operational and in general this is not a group of people one should fuck with.
myth1250
When you have idiots in power, they make dumb decisions. When you have criminals in power, they make corrupt decisions. Both of these statements apply to the Grifter in Chief and those he puts in positions to support him.
willieg
List of degrees no longer to be classified as professional is not accurate. Correct list is: Nursing, Physician assistants, Physical therapists, Audiologists, Architects, Accountants, Educators and Social workers. Serious issue regardless. Story here: https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-degrees-professional-trump-administration-11085695
ispendtomuchtimehere
jeus fuk me you asholez..and WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU FARGING ICEHOLES
tinydog
Everything.
Magjee
I was going to respond with "Buddy, how much time you got for an answer" but yours sums it up
Steps1000
I guess...prepare to lose all your Engineers to other countries?
rolliefingers
I'm guessing they chose ones that they think are too woke, whatever that even means, or too touchy-feely or something, and I gotta say engineering feels like it doesn't really belong there.
willieg
And it is not actually on the list. The post is a bit inaccurate.
floatationman
Yeah, having spent a career in engineering, not exactly woke land. Some places are quite progressive, especially in the professional office spaces, but as soon as you have to build a thing.... Your experience may vary.
abbeyrosemama
So what IS a professional degree?
AFelineMassofEyes
Law. Not that you'll get paid by this administration
TheSecondPiewackit
Divinity, by the looks of it
Xenarion
Finance, I guess.
rshini
Business, the degree of useless failsons
Atlasraven
You'd never guess but President
titoitoi
All of these occupations have a kind of coherence in Trump fuckery land - targeting jobs performed predominantly by women - but engineering?
Dropping engineers from government recognition opens the door for dismissing engineering opinion as unprofessional and unexpert. Expect an exponential uptick in shit builds, on top of existing shit builds, with a supreme court ruling in support.
Trillions in rorts 'n' torts, hidden behind misogyny, already costing us trillions.
jaecyk10
I had commented much the same on a post where it was about nursing specifically. Every job in this list with the notable exception of engineering are fields dominated by women. That's not an accident. I can't help but wonder if the inclusion of engineering is only so they can claim it isn't specifically about punishing women.
onecowboytoo
Because he is going to bring them all in from China and India or outsorce it.
onecowboytoo
Shit, outsource.
randomwalrus
Engineering is to be outsourced to AI, I would imagine.
hohohoooo
Educated people are a threat to a fascist system. This office is no longer worthy of its name...
Medellei
Nursing also was and has been basically a guaranteed path into middle class and independence for women which they cannot have that.
azgrak1
Taking away the professional designation means they will no longer be required to report child abuse. The party of pedophiles wants to make it as hard as possible to get caught when they rape children.
shadowdorothy
Looks like paddling is back on the menu. /s if it wasn't obvious.
hohohoooo
Oh, havent thought about it, thank you!
CabooseDM
I cant wait to see a bridge built by a non engineer
Atlasraven
Top Gear
Magjee
Here ya go:
AFelineMassofEyes
Those aint touchin
DontYouHateWhenAllUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
Ahaa!! Touché!
PerthAussieMike
And how did they come up with those idiotic ideas? Each one of those professions require several years of theory and practical training. How many years of professional study did the person who made THAT decision go through? Let them show their professional accreditation to prove they know what they are talking about and THEN for them to show their reasoning and proof approved and agreed by their peers (and not political peers). Can't do that? Then fuck off.
Corrodias
Presumably, it lets them fuck with people who have loans, without needing congress to pass legislation. That's it. They don't need any other justifications. They want to hurt people in poverty or with educations, because they're fascists.
witheredspoon
Even if they could produce anything agreed to by their peers, they can still fuck the hell off!
sv1rr
Here in Norway a politician recently suggested that we stop educating people in degrees "we don't need". He's only finished high school and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
RooGryphon
Tell him to shut up. And His views are worthless
georgejimmydoodle
Except for engineering, all these professions are, or would seem to someone with little knowledge, to be female-dominated. This is another thing Republicans are doing to eliminate women from public life.
therealalansmithee
Look at if they have unions and then who those unions endorsed.
Einbrecher
Formally/technically, a professional degree would be doctor, lawyer, etc. - a Juris Doctor, which lawyers are required to have in the US, is not the same thing as a PhD in law - the JD is a "professional" degree. But practically speaking, all of these are professional degrees.
CarcwithaC
Some states do not require a JD to pass the bar. https://legalclarity.org/what-states-can-you-take-the-bar-without-a-law-degree/
Similarly, the PE is a professional licensure. The entry exam FE (which allows one to become an EIT) requires either a degree from an ABET/EAC accredited institution. https://ncees.org/exams/fe-exam/
Some US states allow PE licensure with only passing scores on both exams and an intermediate apprenticeship under another PE. https://njspe.org
Einbrecher
I mean, sure, but that's besides the point. JDs, MDs, etc. are specifically classified as professional degrees - it is a specific category of degrees in academia. Bar licensure is required to practice law. Medical licensure is required to practice medicine. PEs are limited to civil engineering and construction - the vast majority of engineers out there don't have them and their jobs don't require them.
gardenias
Education, Nursing, and Engineering? Jesus fucking Christ. I literally can't think of anything more eternally damaging to the US than exactly every thing they have done so far, but this is going to fuck us for decades.
Arkandos
More like a century
normalizebeingalone
And teaching... idk why people are missing that teaching is on this list.
wwwendigo
Because it's the least surprise. I am a teacher myself and I was sure it would be in there. They have been going against education since Reagan.
Engineering is the thing I can't believe...
Me1iss0
As a therapist, I am not surprised we are on there but you have to have a masters degree to get licensed and that will now be prohibitively expensive. Also they love to blame violence in society on mental health yet they undermine and defund us at every turn. Universal Healthcare for All!
Thank you for your hard work as a teacher, there is little thanks for professions that require the level of care and attention yours requires.
wwwendigo
Thanks for your good wishes. I live in Germany, and while there have been some animosities against teachers in general it is a well respected profession and it is paid very well.
My wife has been suffering from severe depression all her life and it almos broke my family apart six years ago. Without good therapists and good medication she would not be with us anymore... Luckily we have (pretty much) free healthcare here. Therapists save lives and families, there is no denying that.
zeacorzeppelin10
Engineering eliminates all of stem
cmdshift3
The Trump admin thinks it’s about trains
zeacorzeppelin10
I used to say that if Trump said trains aren't real his people would jump in front of a train and it seems like it's coming very close to him actually fucking saying that out loud
talifey
Yeah I saw engineering and was like, that's so broad! The whole thing is stupid, but just putting engineering shows how dumb they are.
Magjee
STEM and alot of non-doctor treatment, preposterously broad stroke changes
HandoB4Javert
They have Boeing managers in charge of this decision...
NKato
Uh, I'm pretty sure Boeing would be very much against this change - you can't get engineers domestically if the country isn't producing them. And oftentimes, foreign engineers can be a lot more expensive - and in this case with Trump, it is! H1-B's now have a 100k fee...
CallMeCourierSix
Yeeeeup. And you know why they're doing this?
So the most highly educated employees in the US will be foreign workers on H1B visas.
H1B visa holders are the perfect people according to the GOP: they can't vote, they contribute enormous amounts of taxes to the US, and their visa can be revoked at ANY TIME.
zeacorzeppelin10
The one that now cost 100,000 dollars
CallMeCourierSix
No, it really doesn't. That's the stated cost, but they also said they will make exceptions for anyone who asks. So basically they want to be bribed, and then they'll accept the old fee.
zagibu
Engineering is only one letter in STEM.
CallMeCourierSix
Ah yes. I forgot about those degrees in Science and Technology.
Jesus fuck dude. Wake up. Everything under the STEM label is considered Engineering for purposes of a university degree.
Trump wants only H1B engineers in the US. They contribute massive amounts to taxes, can't vote, and can be deported at any time. They're the perfect class of engineer for a fascist government.
RecurringNightmare
thats nonsense, sciences are "Bachelor/Master of Science", math is sometimes even labeled under "philosophy" at some unversities...
CallMeCourierSix
Congrats on deliberately misunderstanding what I said.
zagibu
Oh, that's astonishing, if true. In Switzerland, and I think most of Europe, something like Physics (Science) or Math (Science) is taught at University, but something like Electrical Engineering has its own dedicated engineering school for higher education. The only thing I know that is a bit weird in this regard is Computer Science, which is both taught at Uni and also at the dedicated engineering schools.
CallMeCourierSix
The US used to have dedicated engineering schools, but they're long gone. There may be a handful left, but they're not popular. Whatever type of science/engineering degree you want, it'll be at a university. Massachusetts Institute of Technology is one of the premier engineering unis. University of Washington (state, not DC) is another.
zagibu
What about Cal Tech?