Oct 8, 2017 2:40 AM
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obviouscoconut
Pretty sure he killed more of his own people than Hitler did the Jewish population. Yet not too many people know this douche.
Exoticz
Can you believe there are young adults alive today that call themselves Maoists? Communism is the real plague.
vjven
And they had to import sparrows from east Germany
CrabOfThePeople
Its surprising how Hitler is the epitome of evil but Mao and Stalin both killed more people.
johnson21
You stop that mao.
Splittmark
Probably doesn't take the blame
mdtrep
"It took years to control this special (gu)-pest"
chrisjfinlay
I don’t get it
TheLummox
Fuck yeah, my last names means sparrow in Russian, and I'm glad this proved how important we are.
DoublevBomb
FUCK SPARROWS v Shame about the Tyrells though...
Also, leave the little birds alone. The ones that are actual birds, not the small children with knives that stab up old men.
grandpadiddler
Should've eaten dem grassjumpers
usersubbordercontrol
Yes, but what about the mosquito populations? Did it work much?
Tsublaki
Technically that'd be Locusts : Win Mao : TKO Sparrows : Destroyed
Halflingflinger
Remember, communism is fucking stupid.
oynsy
Lmao /a/gqGIq
BuzzardsGottaEat
John Woo would need another animal to release in every movie?
surfuckingprise
“A biblical punishment for dumb decisions”
postman69
Birds eating seeds us just a trear, a payment for their services of eating grasshoppers.
kossuth
TIL there's a website called ChinesePosters.net
DJThuglifeSupreme
That's what you get you fucking asshat. A cautionary tale for people who dgaf about animal species and populations
jojiluis
On mobile so second half didn't load. Thought it was a Chinese censorship joke.
CoolGuyCoolDude
I'm glad this doesn't happen to only me ever so often
Frankinbeijing
It was not just the sparrows, they killed anything that flew. When u visit the countryside it is still eerily quiet.
ISupportYourViews
I call BS on people keeping sparrows from landing ANYWHERE 24x7. No way any died this way.
SirusKing
You would be suprised. They would get exhausted and fall to the ground, where they would be immediately killed.
Xsiah
You assume these people lived free lives where they could do what they wanted
GreetingsPrograms
I need to read more on Chinese history. I had no idea they have endured this many genocides and tragedies. I mean 40 million people... Damn
Dont forget the taiping rebellion. There was a big series of famines around then too, so those combined with taiping killed maybe 100 mill
in about 40 years... pretty shocking.
owlest
mongolian invasion, opium war and invasion by western powers, japanese occupation, communist shenanigans
kogamikirito
The japanese ocupation is wierd. The japanese by all accounts committed mass genocide all around asia. Yet in movies and media they are (1)
ya they deny their war crimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan japan kinda apologized but not really
(2) portrayed as victims of american "imperialism"
kiddub
Honey from around the world is contaminated with pesticides now that affect bee health. Minuscule counts now, but.
Neonicotinoids are the worst.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
But that's different because instead of one person ruining the ecosystem it's 'the market' (/s)
SadCannibalNoises
Unintended consequences suck. Antibiotic overuse, over-engineering rivers, things like that.
Icedpryo
My history teacher described the great leap forward as a few steps back
FromDenmarkWithHate
A few?
JeremyPeevin
One of the many reasons dictatorships are a bad idea. Leaving shit like this for one man to decide makes for bad decisions.
BukkakeRider3000
Dictatorship is a great idea for the dictator. I'm sure Mao and pals ate well even after the sparrow incident.
Rin007
That's why a technocracy with a committee of ethics would be the best thing ever.
Nexus763
*looking at the USA* Well, at least the people didn't ELECT the man with bad ideas.
WalrusPhone
Realistically Mao didn't actually have as much power as is commonly made out, his position was much weaker than Stalin or Hitler's
VincintheG
Actually a dictatorship is most likely the best form of government with a leader who has his shit together mentally and takes good advice.
Arsikere
please see: the Ukrainian famine in Soviet Russia
GuacamoleMoleMolester
Difference is, it was on purpose.
RobertNAdams
I don't know if Communists are really bad or really good at the whole famine thing.
MalthusAndreusDrake
i'd say the bigger problem than just the decision being made by one person was the lack of scientific consultation.
GadenKerensky
Theoretically, it'd be possible, but he'd have to be the most well-read, most well-meaning, incorruptible, selfless and likely sad man ever.
ryry1237
This is why I'd be willing to vote for a robot president if the option ever comes.
ShiftingPattern
Yes, because outsourcing these decisions to market forces has proven to be so much better for our own, CLEARLY sustainable society.
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
Can't argue with that logic. Clearly we should abandon our way of life and install an autocratic government.
filben7
Too be fair he was balls deep in sex slaves the whole time. hard to pay attention to much else like that.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED2
Unless that man is the best man. With the best plans. Who is going to make America great again. Just watch.
Munchman347
'I don't care how much vegetables cost, ban the Mexicans. I'd rather pay $6 for lettuce and be loved by a few haters!'...
Vegetables are for my food to eat anyways
bart2pl
he is NOT dictator ... he is cuntish orange offspring of cheeto and frog with no empathy and with anticuated views on world and he seems to
have no idea of governance but he is not dictator
tinyimgurafe
...yet, he has all of the requisites should the opportunity 'present itself'
SwaghettiYologneseWithMemeballs
One word: Lysenkoism.
umlautamp
Yeah, no democracy would ever allow one man to make bad decisions ;)
dex2775
Well, it's possible, but there are ways to slap the leader's hands away from the controls if he's being a moron.
ThomasBankstonwerwerwerew
Democratic nations rarely have all the power situated in one office. Can you name one that doesn't balance powers to check Executive branch?
CyborgScribe
Oh it has happened, but democratic nations sometimes install systems explicitly to limit the power of the leader.
wadenelson1
Groupthink is just as bad. Nobody wants to go against the grain. Nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Japanese / Pearl Harbor, e.g.
GuyPrice
Groupthink of the most acclaimed scientists would be amazing.
OneNeoEon
Didnt we use to have that? Scientist proposed washing hands between operations, group think said he was insulting people by claiming they 1/
Filthy. Drove him to financial ruin despite later being proven correct by someone else. 2/2
1/3 At least groupthink sometimes allows for a margin of error. True that it's hard to go against the grain but when someone DOES say some-
2/3 thing the rest of the crowd who ALSO feels that way suddenly realize they're not the only ones, and sometimes logic prevails.
3/3 Dictatorships allow for no such thing, especially fascist dictatorships: You do what I say right or wrong or die.
Idosss
Both situations require the person with the most power to be open minded to the ideas of others
SteveMND
That's pretty much antithetical to a dictatorship, however.
channelranger
A non-dicatorship allows other people than the one guy with power to minimize his influence though.
But it still requires them to be open minded and 1 non open minded can ruin it for everyone by just not cooperating.
RatMasterTravelBastard
And that's another brilliant example of how communism is complete shit.
Jonanon
I honestly can't believe this is being down voted. Who the hell can morally defend Communism?
I downvoted him because this was a problem of dictatorship. Using it to attack Communism itself was an odd choice.
Particularly because Communism has plenty of things one could choose to criticize it on that don't require a maniacal dictator.
more an example of why dictatorships are awful, economic system nonwithstanding.
This is like saying Hitler had some great ideas, if only he was just a Nazi instead of a Dictator it might have worked!
A: I'm not seeing it. B: I'm nazi-ing it. C: Nazis did make some solid roads right? So we got one thing at least.
I just don't see how anyone could defend an ideology that murdered hundreds of millions is such a short span.
I was thinking it was more like we managed to salvage something from a huge shitshow. Building roads doesn't excuse Nazis.
My point being that a core tenet of nazis is ethnic cleansing- the mass murder is kind of the point. Communism has no such tenet, and-
doesn't really need to include "and also murder millions if people" as part of the process.
AlaSnackbar
And now ccp is rewriting history and spending billions in propaganda in so called soft diplomacy all over the world.
Treblaine
They don't need to re-write shit. US didn't need to re-write that mistakes were made that led to the Dust-Bowl. Own your mistakes.
xuriV
Seems more like a blatant exclusion of history more than re-writes to me.
SJohnson23
Take note of how Fox News makes a point of how well slaves were treated when they built the White House.
pierresito
As an educator, no we don't own our mistakes at all... even at elementary school we start white-washing crap big time. Esp in the south
Maybe you should own them and contrast with Communist China.
sorry what?
They should say "Hey, we made these mistakes but at least we're man enough to admit them... unlike some countries *cough*communist-china*"
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Over in Idaho out history books ignore negative results of conservative actions. So much on liberal policies though, even well received ones
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Thought you meant the developers of EVE Online, then realized it was the Chinese Communist Party.
Vesane
I thought he meant the Союз ССР ie the USSR
blackyjacky21
So did i...was like EvE CCP...whow those guys are busy.
justvenomcake
My God it all makes sense. They were the real puppet masters all along.
thorkun
CCPlease, not the sparrows!
EtherealRune
Attempts to rewrite history is hardly new, it happens in the west a lot as well sadly.
Only within a political faction, competing sides of political issues are actually really good at bringing up history back to public forum.
true but not as true. in teh west it's more lies by omission. in china it's more outright re-writing, orwellian style
CycloneSP
Columbus
LusciousLucius
Perhaps you simply don't know the truth because everyone believes the lies so thoroughly. Much deep. Great thoughtfulness.
We have lots of attempts to re write history, our public is just able to shut them down. Ex the USA history book erasing slaves got shutdown
DoglessProps
Quite, as a Brit, I find my nation's nostalgia for the "glory days" of the empire deeply disturbing.
Kinda like people longing for the good ol' days in the US of legal spousal rape and blacks at the back of the bus. Creepy.
That's where it goes both ways, things have been generally made more negative and the worse bits highlighted
night4345
That's a good thing.
Not trying to start an argument, but I'm genuinely curious why you feel the unwarranted gradual demonizing of an entire group is good?
obviouscoconut
Pretty sure he killed more of his own people than Hitler did the Jewish population. Yet not too many people know this douche.
Exoticz
Can you believe there are young adults alive today that call themselves Maoists? Communism is the real plague.
vjven
And they had to import sparrows from east Germany
CrabOfThePeople
Its surprising how Hitler is the epitome of evil but Mao and Stalin both killed more people.
johnson21
You stop that mao.
Splittmark
Probably doesn't take the blame
mdtrep
"It took years to control this special (gu)-pest"
chrisjfinlay
I don’t get it
TheLummox
Fuck yeah, my last names means sparrow in Russian, and I'm glad this proved how important we are.
DoublevBomb
FUCK SPARROWS
v Shame about the Tyrells though...
DoublevBomb
Also, leave the little birds alone. The ones that are actual birds, not the small children with knives that stab up old men.
grandpadiddler
Should've eaten dem grassjumpers
usersubbordercontrol
Yes, but what about the mosquito populations? Did it work much?
Tsublaki
Technically that'd be Locusts : Win Mao : TKO Sparrows : Destroyed
Halflingflinger
Remember, communism is fucking stupid.
oynsy
Lmao /a/gqGIq
BuzzardsGottaEat
John Woo would need another animal to release in every movie?
surfuckingprise
“A biblical punishment for dumb decisions”
postman69
Birds eating seeds us just a trear, a payment for their services of eating grasshoppers.
kossuth
TIL there's a website called ChinesePosters.net
DJThuglifeSupreme
That's what you get you fucking asshat. A cautionary tale for people who dgaf about animal species and populations
jojiluis
On mobile so second half didn't load. Thought it was a Chinese censorship joke.
CoolGuyCoolDude
I'm glad this doesn't happen to only me ever so often
Frankinbeijing
It was not just the sparrows, they killed anything that flew. When u visit the countryside it is still eerily quiet.
ISupportYourViews
I call BS on people keeping sparrows from landing ANYWHERE 24x7. No way any died this way.
SirusKing
You would be suprised. They would get exhausted and fall to the ground, where they would be immediately killed.
Xsiah
You assume these people lived free lives where they could do what they wanted
GreetingsPrograms
I need to read more on Chinese history. I had no idea they have endured this many genocides and tragedies. I mean 40 million people... Damn
SirusKing
Dont forget the taiping rebellion. There was a big series of famines around then too, so those combined with taiping killed maybe 100 mill
SirusKing
in about 40 years... pretty shocking.
owlest
mongolian invasion, opium war and invasion by western powers, japanese occupation, communist shenanigans
kogamikirito
The japanese ocupation is wierd. The japanese by all accounts committed mass genocide all around asia. Yet in movies and media they are (1)
owlest
ya they deny their war crimes
kogamikirito
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan japan kinda apologized but not really
kogamikirito
(2) portrayed as victims of american "imperialism"
kiddub
Honey from around the world is contaminated with pesticides now that affect bee health. Minuscule counts now, but.
Xsiah
Neonicotinoids are the worst.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
But that's different because instead of one person ruining the ecosystem it's 'the market' (/s)
SadCannibalNoises
Unintended consequences suck. Antibiotic overuse, over-engineering rivers, things like that.
Icedpryo
My history teacher described the great leap forward as a few steps back
FromDenmarkWithHate
A few?
JeremyPeevin
One of the many reasons dictatorships are a bad idea. Leaving shit like this for one man to decide makes for bad decisions.
BukkakeRider3000
Dictatorship is a great idea for the dictator. I'm sure Mao and pals ate well even after the sparrow incident.
Rin007
That's why a technocracy with a committee of ethics would be the best thing ever.
Nexus763
*looking at the USA* Well, at least the people didn't ELECT the man with bad ideas.
WalrusPhone
Realistically Mao didn't actually have as much power as is commonly made out, his position was much weaker than Stalin or Hitler's
VincintheG
Actually a dictatorship is most likely the best form of government with a leader who has his shit together mentally and takes good advice.
Arsikere
please see: the Ukrainian famine in Soviet Russia
GuacamoleMoleMolester
Difference is, it was on purpose.
RobertNAdams
I don't know if Communists are really bad or really good at the whole famine thing.
MalthusAndreusDrake
i'd say the bigger problem than just the decision being made by one person was the lack of scientific consultation.
GadenKerensky
Theoretically, it'd be possible, but he'd have to be the most well-read, most well-meaning, incorruptible, selfless and likely sad man ever.
ryry1237
This is why I'd be willing to vote for a robot president if the option ever comes.
ShiftingPattern
Yes, because outsourcing these decisions to market forces has proven to be so much better for our own, CLEARLY sustainable society.
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
Can't argue with that logic. Clearly we should abandon our way of life and install an autocratic government.
filben7
Too be fair he was balls deep in sex slaves the whole time. hard to pay attention to much else like that.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED2
Unless that man is the best man. With the best plans. Who is going to make America great again. Just watch.
Munchman347
'I don't care how much vegetables cost, ban the Mexicans. I'd rather pay $6 for lettuce and be loved by a few haters!'...
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED2
Vegetables are for my food to eat anyways
bart2pl
he is NOT dictator ... he is cuntish orange offspring of cheeto and frog with no empathy and with anticuated views on world and he seems to
bart2pl
have no idea of governance but he is not dictator
tinyimgurafe
...yet, he has all of the requisites should the opportunity 'present itself'
SwaghettiYologneseWithMemeballs
One word: Lysenkoism.
umlautamp
Yeah, no democracy would ever allow one man to make bad decisions ;)
dex2775
Well, it's possible, but there are ways to slap the leader's hands away from the controls if he's being a moron.
ThomasBankstonwerwerwerew
Democratic nations rarely have all the power situated in one office. Can you name one that doesn't balance powers to check Executive branch?
CyborgScribe
Oh it has happened, but democratic nations sometimes install systems explicitly to limit the power of the leader.
wadenelson1
Groupthink is just as bad. Nobody wants to go against the grain. Nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Japanese / Pearl Harbor, e.g.
GuyPrice
Groupthink of the most acclaimed scientists would be amazing.
OneNeoEon
Didnt we use to have that? Scientist proposed washing hands between operations, group think said he was insulting people by claiming they 1/
OneNeoEon
Filthy. Drove him to financial ruin despite later being proven correct by someone else. 2/2
JeremyPeevin
1/3 At least groupthink sometimes allows for a margin of error. True that it's hard to go against the grain but when someone DOES say some-
JeremyPeevin
2/3 thing the rest of the crowd who ALSO feels that way suddenly realize they're not the only ones, and sometimes logic prevails.
JeremyPeevin
3/3 Dictatorships allow for no such thing, especially fascist dictatorships: You do what I say right or wrong or die.
Idosss
Both situations require the person with the most power to be open minded to the ideas of others
SteveMND
That's pretty much antithetical to a dictatorship, however.
channelranger
A non-dicatorship allows other people than the one guy with power to minimize his influence though.
Idosss
But it still requires them to be open minded and 1 non open minded can ruin it for everyone by just not cooperating.
RatMasterTravelBastard
And that's another brilliant example of how communism is complete shit.
Jonanon
I honestly can't believe this is being down voted. Who the hell can morally defend Communism?
CyborgScribe
I downvoted him because this was a problem of dictatorship. Using it to attack Communism itself was an odd choice.
CyborgScribe
Particularly because Communism has plenty of things one could choose to criticize it on that don't require a maniacal dictator.
channelranger
more an example of why dictatorships are awful, economic system nonwithstanding.
Jonanon
This is like saying Hitler had some great ideas, if only he was just a Nazi instead of a Dictator it might have worked!
CyborgScribe
A: I'm not seeing it. B: I'm nazi-ing it. C: Nazis did make some solid roads right? So we got one thing at least.
Jonanon
I just don't see how anyone could defend an ideology that murdered hundreds of millions is such a short span.
CyborgScribe
I was thinking it was more like we managed to salvage something from a huge shitshow. Building roads doesn't excuse Nazis.
channelranger
My point being that a core tenet of nazis is ethnic cleansing- the mass murder is kind of the point. Communism has no such tenet, and-
channelranger
doesn't really need to include "and also murder millions if people" as part of the process.
AlaSnackbar
And now ccp is rewriting history and spending billions in propaganda in so called soft diplomacy all over the world.
Treblaine
They don't need to re-write shit. US didn't need to re-write that mistakes were made that led to the Dust-Bowl. Own your mistakes.
xuriV
Seems more like a blatant exclusion of history more than re-writes to me.
SJohnson23
Take note of how Fox News makes a point of how well slaves were treated when they built the White House.
pierresito
As an educator, no we don't own our mistakes at all... even at elementary school we start white-washing crap big time. Esp in the south
Treblaine
Maybe you should own them and contrast with Communist China.
pierresito
sorry what?
Treblaine
They should say "Hey, we made these mistakes but at least we're man enough to admit them... unlike some countries *cough*communist-china*"
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Over in Idaho out history books ignore negative results of conservative actions. So much on liberal policies though, even well received ones
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Thought you meant the developers of EVE Online, then realized it was the Chinese Communist Party.
Vesane
I thought he meant the Союз ССР ie the USSR
blackyjacky21
So did i...was like EvE CCP...whow those guys are busy.
justvenomcake
My God it all makes sense. They were the real puppet masters all along.
thorkun
CCPlease, not the sparrows!
EtherealRune
Attempts to rewrite history is hardly new, it happens in the west a lot as well sadly.
Treblaine
Only within a political faction, competing sides of political issues are actually really good at bringing up history back to public forum.
Arsikere
true but not as true. in teh west it's more lies by omission. in china it's more outright re-writing, orwellian style
CycloneSP
Columbus
LusciousLucius
Perhaps you simply don't know the truth because everyone believes the lies so thoroughly. Much deep. Great thoughtfulness.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
We have lots of attempts to re write history, our public is just able to shut them down. Ex the USA history book erasing slaves got shutdown
DoglessProps
Quite, as a Brit, I find my nation's nostalgia for the "glory days" of the empire deeply disturbing.
CyborgScribe
Kinda like people longing for the good ol' days in the US of legal spousal rape and blacks at the back of the bus. Creepy.
EtherealRune
That's where it goes both ways, things have been generally made more negative and the worse bits highlighted
night4345
That's a good thing.
EtherealRune
Not trying to start an argument, but I'm genuinely curious why you feel the unwarranted gradual demonizing of an entire group is good?