There is one upside to Felon 47 being gone; he is currently the lynchpin of their entire strategy. There is currently nobody in the GOP that as charismatic, as greedy, and as corrupt as Mango Mussolini (and thats intentional on his part, he didn't want any competition). When he finally croaks (which I hope is soon), the rest of the party will hopefully be too busy stabbing each other in the back and scrambling to grab onto whatever scraps they can.
That was the first thing where I ever just straight up disagreed with my therapist. He made some comment about "well, it'll all be over in 4 years..." Nah, this shit is going to leave permanent damage
The Heritage Foundation, MAGA, Proud Boys, Turning Point USA, and the Republican Party...these organizations have but one purpose: to destroy representative government and install tyrannical rule with fear, slavery, and death to those who do not conform. Resist this evil to the utmost and with every fiber of your being!
The US has no laws with teeth against people with more wealth than many nations; it clearly has no defence against the very foreign interference in elections that it has taken delight in being involved in itself. Every tenet, every phrase, every sentence of the US political structure is based on a simple idea - regardless of how, the people in power are ultimately trying to make the country better, for everyone. It has no escape valve for when that isn't the case.
To really fix it, that Electoral College nonsense, gerrymandering, political appointments of judges, the capitalist capture of government, and allegiance of church & state will need to go too - which is why it'll never happen, sadly.
It's great and all to call out the obvious flaws with our system. But these same flaws have been pointed out countless times by Dems when in power and not. When Dems controlled Congress and the Presidency as a whole.
What came of it? Nothing. Dems in power just maintained the status quo. The party whose spines were an optional option whose box was NOT checked at conception.
Mentioning it is great. But will something actually be done about it? Doubt it.
Exactly, Trump is not an anomaly, he's the distilled essence of decades of Republican beliefs. It's easy to see how we got here: Barry Goldwater, continuing through Ronald Reagan, and ending up today with Donald Trump.
Republicans have been telling the same tired lies about Canada for decades. We're sick of it and we've moved on, We're no longer interested in being your neighbour.
I wouldn't even put Goldwater in the mix because he warned us about the crazy religious right and their thirst for power. Sure, he was a hard-nosed libertarian in the classic sense, but not a greedy, power-hungry conservative.
The good news is that, thanks to the internet and massive media attention, more people than ever are aware of how fascist the Republican party has become. Now consider the unimaginable relief, joy, and rush to make things right so many people are going to feel when he finally kicks the bucket - especially younger people with so much more to lose - and I think things will get better sooner rather than later. It still may take a decade or so, but we will heal and become stronger than before.
Typical left. Can you guys express any political views without hoping and wishing death on someone you disagree with? I mean come on. You never hear anything like that from anyone even slightly right of center, but left is “kill him die die die, I can’t wait, going to celebrate”. Praising attempts on peoples lives. Look at Kirk. Cheered the death of a respectful conservative who tried to bring people together. Sick Yet y’all are the party of tolerance. Think about that for a second.
Respectful? The man who celebrated the attempted murder of an octogenarian? Charlie Kirk cheered on political violence, and trying to deny it is flagrantly dishonest.
you think all the people rallying behind Trump will let their power go when he goes away? Who's going to start these commissions? Who's going to enforce their rulings?
We need to hit the oligarchs where it hurts: Their income. We need to strike, and the longer the better. But we can't do that until we have systems in place that can carry people over for a while. We need to organize local communities so that they can pool resources as needed to support everyone in it. The first step is to get to know your neighbors. See what their situations are. Help them - even now - where you're able to.
Germany had a pretty bad fascism problem. They completely fixed it. It took a lot tho. I hope we can fix ours without having to go through all the same steps.
Yeah. What it will remove is the keystone holding the whole works together - the public support. Our task in the meantime is to conspire - build a large network of people willing to seize and exercise power.
We've been losing because the left hasn't been doing what the heritage foundation has - spending multiple decades conspiring to force OUR vision of the future on the country and the world. "If you're not at the table, you're on the menu." Grab the wheel. Dream big.
One of the main reasons the left hasn’t been doing that is because the vast majority of the money is on the right. The Herages Foundation and The Federalist Society can afford to buy every Congress member for the next 200 years.
I don't think AOC, or any of the other people making similar statements, are saying there's no point to removing Trump. She's pointing out part of what put him back in the White House is that so many people acted like Biden's presidency would just undo the damage. There are still people who want to get America "back". Going backwards just puts us on this path again. We need to start designing and building a new country and stop longing for a perfect myth that never existed.
The government needs a completely separate organization that's designed 100% to make the government RUN. This means making sure that when the government tries to do something illegal, then it's actually ENFORCED and STOPPED until the problem is fixed. And this can't be "part" of the government so that an Executive Order destroys it. It has to be completely independent. It'll never happen.
I'm pretty sure that's called "the public". But one of the problems is scale. It's a lot easier for the residents of a small town to hold their corrupt mayor accountable than for the 340 million people in America to collectively hold the entire interconnected federal system accountable.
Because if it were any other organization besides the public, then... who watches the watchmen?
I'm talking about an organization that ENSURES that all Federal elections are fair, that districting is ungerrymandered, that the representatives elected actually DO THEIR F'G JOBS, that moneys allocated go to the right places, that reporting is done properly. That if a fascist dictator tries anything then they are IMMEDIATELY removed from office for violating rules, laws, and the friggin' Constitution. But I'm Canadian, so I have a different view of the US political system.
I know what you mean, I'm just saying, who then ensures that organization does its job? Who do THEY answer to? It's kind of putting a hat on a hat.
That is exactly what the role of the public is supposed to be in a functioning democracy. The people are supposed to elect a Congress that *would* immediately remove a fascist dictator. The courts are supposed to *enforce* lawful orders. But once corruption takes hold, it spreads. The US was corrupted long, long ago.
First they need to fix the impotency that exists in the DNC. The leadership who are hamstring people like Hoag, Zohran Mamdani, AOC, Frost, and hopefully Grijalva, need to go. The backers of Cuomo all need to go. Kamala, while I voted for her, is still a damn cop. The DNC needs real liberal leaders, not this "we're just gonna ignore the voter base and do what we feel is best" crap. Also "DONATE! DONATE! DONATE!"
Honestly the future is in the kids. Millennials were born under Raegan. We watched how the world, and wars worked under their leadership. It created a counter culture of tolerance inspiring grunge music, and bent our generation left. The kids are seeing what ICE is doing in their neighborhoods, and on TV. This is how you radicalize a generation for a lifetime.
Project 2025 writers, the Heritage Foundation, are the devils that are actively working and succeeding to ruin our democracy. Trump is just a symptom of their work. These fascist have been working since at least Reagan to dismantle our society in order to maximize their money and dismantle workers rights.
The Nixon goons are still working at this. They are leeches that stick to every Republican administration in some way in order to keep the grifting alive.
Overturn Citizens United as a major start. No more corporate money to politicians. As soon as politicians relay on public donors, the problem will fix itself.
First: The Supreme Court actually has very little constitutional power. Nearly everything they've got now, we agreed to give them.
Second: If Congress makes a new law SCOTUS has to weigh in on the new law. Congress can also make more or less seats in the court, and impeach justices. The Legislative is the most powerful branch, on purpose. It's SUPPOSED to represent the will of the people.
this cannot be upvoted or emphasized enough. Trump is not the problem. he is the symptom. he is the poster boy, the distraction, the autopen for all the Executive Orders the guys in the back room have been writing up for him to sign. he and his MAGATS are the shock troops being used to destroy the public's trust in its government.
I get a lot of blowback for saying that focusing on Hitler as the evil of that generation means nothing if you let the entire social structure and culture that fed him be ignored. Hitler didn't kill 12 million people. The people and infrastructure that supported him did that.
if he were to suddenly drop out of the picture all that would happen is that Vance would step into that role and he'd be worse than Trump because he would be able to just take an order without any manipulation. he would realize that if he messed with the agenda they would replace him with someone more willing to take the orders as presented.
Five people are voting on what to have for dinner. 3 people vote for pizza. 2 people vote for "You three." Pizza has won, but there is still a massive problem in the room.
Why not make voting day a national holiday, so people can ACTUALLY go out and vote instead of taking 2 hours off work, or having to drive back to their hometown to place their ballot
Because workers have to work on holidays. Until we make it illegal to continue non essential services on holidays, this solves jack shit for workers. We need early voting, universal mail in voting, and robust protection for workers to leave work to vote.
Because the Republicans would never win an election that way . They've already admitted that. That's why they're so enamoured with voter suppression. Removing drip boxes, reducing polling areas, demanding perfect ID, closing polling stations even when people are in line for hours, even making it illegal to give people in line water. They don't want democracy at all
We know, please try to stay focused on the context of the analogy presented. You're not smart for pointing out that Trump won. We all understand that. It was the direct context of AOC's quote.
Yeah, stating the obvious to make people feel smart gets upvotes on social media, who knew. Validation seeking is the entire basis of why most of you are here.
We have just as many dummies as they do. More actually, since we technically make up 62% of the population but just don't vote. And this is the Internet where, idk if you've been before, there will be plenty of useless word minutiae NO MATTER WHAT. You think being a condescending asshole to one will change that? They're on your fuckin side dick for brains. For someone calling out someone else's intelligence, you don't seem to be using much of it yourself.
With all do respect, I don't think we do. This feels like a kind of "both-sides"ism. Are there stupid democrats/liberals/progressives? Absolutely. But just as many? I don't think so. For all the democrats flawed policy-making it simply doesn't rise to the lack of constitutional knowledge MAGA has demonstrated notwithstanding the racism and religious zealotry that prevents compromise, and the cult-like mentality that has been demonstrated toward Trump.
Democrats/Liberals/Progressives tend to be more self-defeating and corporate trained apathists than stupid. We'll argue for months on Reddit we passionately hate and would never vote for candidate who shares 99% of our values and once misspoke or carefully stated a nuanced opinion in a CNN interview 30 years ago. Then we'll not set an alarm to vote. Then we'll blame everyone other than our selves for the state of the world.
It will never be fixed, any more than the British empire could be fixed.
That time is gone.
America would have to do some big shit against the oligarchs who are eating the country, in a global and public way, and that might earn some respect back. Maybe it would even be enough.
But most likely, America will never be the big man on campus ever again. We need to get used to that, because our voters decided to do it.
Generational damage, you may never recover from the damage to your reputation. Canada has found other trade partners and we're looking to replace the USA as our sole purchaser of albertan oil
And looking at US history there won't be a concerted effort to fix anything, just claim it's all gone now and ignore all the sources of the next coup attempt.
There is nothing anyone can fix because it has always been like this. The only thing that has changed is that they don't feel the need to hide the nasty anymore. The "decency" of the right was nothing more than a pretense, a disguise.
At this rate, it will never be fixed. We've had a racism problem in the USA since it began. A few in positions of power have sought to change that at various stages, but it has never been a lasting change. At times, racism ran for cover... hid away as it knew it didn't have the numbers to flourish. Obama becoming president was a great milestone, but it also revealed... that a lot of dry-rot racism was still in our foundation. Trump? He added toxic water... releasing spores. Spread like mold.
This is why I've low key given up on the US. Do I spend another half my life trying to fix a country i serve or be at peace and live more comfortably elsewhere? Hard decision.
Decades? Go to South Carolina. They still talk about the Civil War EVERY DAY! That was over 150 years ago and only lasted FOUR YEARS. Gonna take a lot longer, I'm afraid.
Conservative thought will never go away. It's based on great and insecurity. Best we'll get is a swing to the left and the troglodytes will crawl back under a rock for a few decades to build up a victim complex all over again.
The treaties that Trump tore up because a black person wrote them were so damaging to international peace that the rest of the world will have trouble ever trusting the usa ever again, if all it takes to end the iranian nuclear armstice treaty is a fat slob addicted to mcdonalds its not worth signing with america
And Americans are going to have to get off their asses to make that happen. They had their biggest protest in US history recently and it was barely even 2 percent of the population, for barely a day,in response to their country being a hop and a skip away from going full fascist. That level of collective apathy is what enabled USA to go in this direction from the beginning. Other populations around the world have collectively engaged to maintain/protect their democracy. Americans need to as well
The US has been built to ensure that doesn't happen, though. For most people taking a day off work to protest means having to cut back on food because they live paycheck to paycheck, yet 2% was willing to do it anyway. Going out twice means not having enough to pay rent instead. There's not enough financial security for people to be able to protest back to back and still be able to survive, and if they're screwed either way most people will choose a tentative roof over their heads.
2% is a lot. Considering the percentage of adult who are able-bodied, even 20% of them taking to the streets would bring the nation to a stand-still. But we're making progress. Next one needs to be 4%, then 8%...
We need to ask for the real reasons, so we can fix the right problems. Answers are there, but will never make it to majority in the prevailing system. I lost hope. Why? Because all of it happened before. The reasons remain unchanged.
This started back in the 90s when Clinton faced off with Gingrich. Obama being elected triggered a lot of people. And the pushback from the "Tea Party" set it all in motion years ago.
Our nation fixates on leaders. On individual drivers. AOC is an amazing champion. We need a few more of her. And then we need a clear and concise message that really resonates with a majority of people.
First is AWARENESS. Many people don't fully grasp the breadth of what's truly going on. We need a good story and the media to propagate it. Next is DEMOCRACY 2026 / 2028. The "PROJECT" for the left-wing. A really comprehensive plan. And finally, putting that plan into ACTION.
When an entire party is complicit, I don't see how it gets fixed. The Republican Party has essentially decided that laws and the constitution are secondary to power, and have abdicated all of their powers to Trump. Republicans in Congress should want the power of the purse, they've given it to Trump. They should want to stop blatant corruption of the President via crypto and gifts? They've allowed Trump to have them. They should want a Supreme Court free of influence? They've allowed it.
(2) We have one party in this country that is beholden to a shitty system reliant on political donations, many of whom (but not all, sadly) who want to change that system. Then we have another party in this country who will disregard any law or any right if it means they get more power and wealth. That is not sustainable.
(3) Meanwhile the right has seized basically every information outlet Americans will ever see: cable news, broadcast television, every major social media site and app. They can spread disinformation and misinformation to confuse and outrage the public against Democrats and any reform candidate. The level of actual knowledge of the average american voter about the state of our political and civil system is absolutely abysmal, and getting worse. How does that change?
(4) meanwhile our actual electoral system is, statistically, the least representative of any democracy on earth. The Senate, where a Senator from Wyoming representing less than 600,000 people has the same power as a Sen. from CA representing 50m is laughable. They choose SCOTUS, federal judges, all appointments, and impeach the president. That can't be broken in any meaningful way that I see.
The only solution I can see is a general strike, and with the right's stranglehold on info, how?
Greatest military strength, leading innovative technology, phenomenal agricultural powerhouse, currency standard, entertainment capitol, nation building and philanthropy... USA was leading in this for many decades. Now? Trump is tearing that all down.
Look up how long the French "Revolution" took before the guillotine came out. Even after, they traded that corruption for another one. People need to learn history more.
If this is still america by the time that could happen. We’re running on inertia thats about to be expended. They are operating like there is no constitution and no organization or individual with enough power to tell them otherwise exists in our borders.
Canada never had colonies of its own as far as I'm aware, so I wouldn't call it a "white colonial nation". UK and France have definitely had women in charge, though it looks like France has had a female PM but not president. England had a reigning queen before it became a colonial power in the first place, though, and multiple women as prime minister over the years. Spain has not, so I was wrong about that, but Portugal and Italy have had women as prime minister.
I'd love to be able to agree ... but where are those younger and wiser generations? From what it looks like, outside the big cities, there's a generation of young republicans growing up again.
We'll see. There's so much coming it is hard to tell how perceptions will shift. Men may be more conservative/brainwashed but everyone's beliefs and understandings will probably shift with the tech coming soon. Either we have some enlightened leadership or this country dies and fragments going forward.
The biggest question on my mind is still: will Peter Thiel try to pull off a sort of Medvedev (with Trump either being Putin, or more likely, with a kicking and screaming Trump being Medvedev)
Legomaniac91
There is one upside to Felon 47 being gone; he is currently the lynchpin of their entire strategy. There is currently nobody in the GOP that as charismatic, as greedy, and as corrupt as Mango Mussolini (and thats intentional on his part, he didn't want any competition). When he finally croaks (which I hope is soon), the rest of the party will hopefully be too busy stabbing each other in the back and scrambling to grab onto whatever scraps they can.
KommanderKayriel
All Republicans need purging.
afmgreentea
That was the first thing where I ever just straight up disagreed with my therapist. He made some comment about "well, it'll all be over in 4 years..." Nah, this shit is going to leave permanent damage
FoxxoniusAugustus
All those things can be solved with enough bullets.
68mano
The Heritage Foundation, MAGA, Proud Boys, Turning Point USA, and the Republican Party...these organizations have but one purpose: to destroy representative government and install tyrannical rule with fear, slavery, and death to those who do not conform. Resist this evil to the utmost and with every fiber of your being!
Evi1Gav
The US has no laws with teeth against people with more wealth than many nations; it clearly has no defence against the very foreign interference in elections that it has taken delight in being involved in itself. Every tenet, every phrase, every sentence of the US political structure is based on a simple idea - regardless of how, the people in power are ultimately trying to make the country better, for everyone. It has no escape valve for when that isn't the case.
demonic
Both Parties need to go if we're to fix anything...
Type17
To really fix it, that Electoral College nonsense, gerrymandering, political appointments of judges, the capitalist capture of government, and allegiance of church & state will need to go too - which is why it'll never happen, sadly.
fastjeff
He in such bad health, hope there’s a good plan in place for when he just fucking dies.
Type17
A plan for the celebrations, or...?
fastjeff
Scythrael
It's great and all to call out the obvious flaws with our system. But these same flaws have been pointed out countless times by Dems when in power and not. When Dems controlled Congress and the Presidency as a whole.
What came of it? Nothing. Dems in power just maintained the status quo. The party whose spines were an optional option whose box was NOT checked at conception.
Mentioning it is great. But will something actually be done about it? Doubt it.
digitalagriculture
Exactly, Trump is not an anomaly, he's the distilled essence of decades of Republican beliefs. It's easy to see how we got here: Barry Goldwater, continuing through Ronald Reagan, and ending up today with Donald Trump.
Hexidimentional
Republicans have been telling the same tired lies about Canada for decades. We're sick of it and we've moved on, We're no longer interested in being your neighbour.
tdpubs
I wouldn't even put Goldwater in the mix because he warned us about the crazy religious right and their thirst for power. Sure, he was a hard-nosed libertarian in the classic sense, but not a greedy, power-hungry conservative.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
It will take a lot of hard work to undo all the evil that has been wrought throughout the government and country...
unluckyandbored
Trump is a SYMPTOM, not the CAUSE. The rot in the American government runs far, far deeper than just him.
WhatisBug
This makes me feel less crazy that people recognize this, and want to do something about it, but it makes me crazy that DNC is so feckless
eaterofthecake
America don’t deserve her!
Dabnyfiddlestuffer
AOC has a higher IQ than TACO man says she has. .........Crockett also appears to be a helluva lot more rational than POTUS.
SlaaneshiRightsFront
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Clayman8
This gets my vote, personally. It worked for the Frogs, why not for the Tea Throwers
ThomasTheWankEnglne
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ComehereAreyouticklish
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ThomasTheWankEnglne
wait
AECook
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UseYourVoice
The good news is that, thanks to the internet and massive media attention, more people than ever are aware of how fascist the Republican party has become. Now consider the unimaginable relief, joy, and rush to make things right so many people are going to feel when he finally kicks the bucket - especially younger people with so much more to lose - and I think things will get better sooner rather than later. It still may take a decade or so, but we will heal and become stronger than before.
donkeyDong27
Typical left. Can you guys express any political views without hoping and wishing death on someone you disagree with? I mean come on. You never hear anything like that from anyone even slightly right of center, but left is “kill him die die die, I can’t wait, going to celebrate”. Praising attempts on peoples lives. Look at Kirk. Cheered the death of a respectful conservative who tried to bring people together. Sick Yet y’all are the party of tolerance. Think about that for a second.
ArcUlfr
Respectful? The man who celebrated the attempted murder of an octogenarian? Charlie Kirk cheered on political violence, and trying to deny it is flagrantly dishonest.
Adrock0
Okay but let's start with the head of the orange snake
OnceBotheredTwiceShy
Gotta start somewhere

SlightlyBetterThanYou
A meme from the guy that banged a China spy nice
Sticklebrickk
WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS BUT THEY ARE BEING OVERRULED OR IGNORED
Gaelwyn
Yeah! Fuck SCOTUS and their official actions bullshit.
n0n53n53
you think all the people rallying behind Trump will let their power go when he goes away? Who's going to start these commissions? Who's going to enforce their rulings?
Willk95
The banality of evil
LicensedAdHominem
"Therefore we should not remove him" —half of the population that still thinks he'll simply leave in 4 years
No, therefore you should keep removing.
Hexidimentional
Canada got rid of a prime minster after only six months because she was doing a really shit job, something called a no confidence vote
HypnagogicHallucinations
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UserNamesArentEasy
Correct, but let's take some fucking actions at this point. Too, fix the glaring issues then we can start working on the rest.
mindstorm8191
We need to hit the oligarchs where it hurts: Their income. We need to strike, and the longer the better.
But we can't do that until we have systems in place that can carry people over for a while. We need to organize local communities so that they can pool resources as needed to support everyone in it.
The first step is to get to know your neighbors. See what their situations are. Help them - even now - where you're able to.
chuckaholic
Germany had a pretty bad fascism problem. They completely fixed it. It took a lot tho. I hope we can fix ours without having to go through all the same steps.
JetrelPixelArt
Yeah. What it will remove is the keystone holding the whole works together - the public support. Our task in the meantime is to conspire - build a large network of people willing to seize and exercise power.
We've been losing because the left hasn't been doing what the heritage foundation has - spending multiple decades conspiring to force OUR vision of the future on the country and the world. "If you're not at the table, you're on the menu." Grab the wheel. Dream big.
tdpubs
Last night I told my son, there's no excuse now. Grab your lightsaber and suit up cause it gonna have to be return of the Jedi next year.
M4UsedRollout
One of the main reasons the left hasn’t been doing that is because the vast majority of the money is on the right. The Herages Foundation and The Federalist Society can afford to buy every Congress member for the next 200 years.
illegalacorn
The solution to that it is incredibly simple. Plata o pluma.
judyblue
I don't think AOC, or any of the other people making similar statements, are saying there's no point to removing Trump. She's pointing out part of what put him back in the White House is that so many people acted like Biden's presidency would just undo the damage. There are still people who want to get America "back". Going backwards just puts us on this path again. We need to start designing and building a new country and stop longing for a perfect myth that never existed.
UserNamesArentEasy
True, people need to be aware that there isn't just one head to this hydra.
gobblinal
The government needs a completely separate organization that's designed 100% to make the government RUN. This means making sure that when the government tries to do something illegal, then it's actually ENFORCED and STOPPED until the problem is fixed. And this can't be "part" of the government so that an Executive Order destroys it. It has to be completely independent. It'll never happen.
judyblue
I'm pretty sure that's called "the public". But one of the problems is scale. It's a lot easier for the residents of a small town to hold their corrupt mayor accountable than for the 340 million people in America to collectively hold the entire interconnected federal system accountable.
Because if it were any other organization besides the public, then... who watches the watchmen?
gobblinal
I'm talking about an organization that ENSURES that all Federal elections are fair, that districting is ungerrymandered, that the representatives elected actually DO THEIR F'G JOBS, that moneys allocated go to the right places, that reporting is done properly. That if a fascist dictator tries anything then they are IMMEDIATELY removed from office for violating rules, laws, and the friggin' Constitution. But I'm Canadian, so I have a different view of the US political system.
judyblue
I know what you mean, I'm just saying, who then ensures that organization does its job? Who do THEY answer to? It's kind of putting a hat on a hat.
That is exactly what the role of the public is supposed to be in a functioning democracy. The people are supposed to elect a Congress that *would* immediately remove a fascist dictator. The courts are supposed to *enforce* lawful orders. But once corruption takes hold, it spreads. The US was corrupted long, long ago.
5m4llP0X
First they need to fix the impotency that exists in the DNC. The leadership who are hamstring people like Hoag, Zohran Mamdani, AOC, Frost, and hopefully Grijalva, need to go. The backers of Cuomo all need to go. Kamala, while I voted for her, is still a damn cop. The DNC needs real liberal leaders, not this "we're just gonna ignore the voter base and do what we feel is best" crap. Also "DONATE! DONATE! DONATE!"
Eyeetsass
Honestly the future is in the kids. Millennials were born under Raegan. We watched how the world, and wars worked under their leadership. It created a counter culture of tolerance inspiring grunge music, and bent our generation left. The kids are seeing what ICE is doing in their neighborhoods, and on TV. This is how you radicalize a generation for a lifetime.
PepperoniAndFingernailPizza
Project 2025 writers, the Heritage Foundation, are the devils that are actively working and succeeding to ruin our democracy. Trump is just a symptom of their work. These fascist have been working since at least Reagan to dismantle our society in order to maximize their money and dismantle workers rights.
donkeyDong27
Sounds like you’re describing the democrats.
PepperoniAndFingernailPizza
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tdpubs
The Nixon goons are still working at this. They are leeches that stick to every Republican administration in some way in order to keep the grifting alive.
unannouncedguest
That woman could be your salvation just Bernie could have been.
Pikkupanda
I’ve said this repeatedly. As odious as is Mango Mussolini, he’s one person. The millions supporting and enabling him are the issue.
McUUID
And the media that program them are "the" issue, too.
orp0piru
Heritage foundation is the source of all this shit, it's been sabotaging democracy since 1975.
https://youtu.be/TVWWQFoOZDk?t=1m30s
DrHenryJones
Overturn Citizens United as a major start. No more corporate money to politicians. As soon as politicians relay on public donors, the problem will fix itself.
pvtsquirel
Is that even something representatives can do or do we have to fix the supreme court first?
yokwe
I'm afraid to ask what "fix the supreme court" entails.
pvtsquirel
So is the supreme court
pvtsquirel
I'm kidding we just add more seats... or do we...
TheTomeWyrm
Absolutely. Multiple reasons.
First: The Supreme Court actually has very little constitutional power. Nearly everything they've got now, we agreed to give them.
Second: If Congress makes a new law SCOTUS has to weigh in on the new law. Congress can also make more or less seats in the court, and impeach justices. The Legislative is the most powerful branch, on purpose. It's SUPPOSED to represent the will of the people.
psmith00
this cannot be upvoted or emphasized enough. Trump is not the problem. he is the symptom. he is the poster boy, the distraction, the autopen for all the Executive Orders the guys in the back room have been writing up for him to sign. he and his MAGATS are the shock troops being used to destroy the public's trust in its government.
tdpubs
I get a lot of blowback for saying that focusing on Hitler as the evil of that generation means nothing if you let the entire social structure and culture that fed him be ignored. Hitler didn't kill 12 million people. The people and infrastructure that supported him did that.
psmith00
if he were to suddenly drop out of the picture all that would happen is that Vance would step into that role and he'd be worse than Trump because he would be able to just take an order without any manipulation. he would realize that if he messed with the agenda they would replace him with someone more willing to take the orders as presented.
dalaiyoda
Five people are voting on what to have for dinner. 3 people vote for pizza. 2 people vote for "You three." Pizza has won, but there is still a massive problem in the room.
Hexidimentional
i want to give you an upvote, but its sitting at 69
Sticklebrickk
Why not make voting day a national holiday, so people can ACTUALLY go out and vote instead of taking 2 hours off work, or having to drive back to their hometown to place their ballot
firestyle3
We should change it to voting week and everyone should be guaranteed a paid day off for the purposes of voting during that week.
cadesama
Because workers have to work on holidays. Until we make it illegal to continue non essential services on holidays, this solves jack shit for workers. We need early voting, universal mail in voting, and robust protection for workers to leave work to vote.
ecobuckeye
Because people would take vacation on Monday for a four day weekend. Make it easy (online, mail, early, etc) and compulsory.
colderfish
Because the Republicans would never win an election that way . They've already admitted that. That's why they're so enamoured with voter suppression. Removing drip boxes, reducing polling areas, demanding perfect ID, closing polling stations even when people are in line for hours, even making it illegal to give people in line water. They don't want democracy at all
Leaps
Because the people that make the rules (Republicans) don't actually want people to vote.
InTangier
In Brazil, voting is mandatory. Public workers can even have a monthly wage deducted if they don't vote, while everyone else gets a fine.
Midgarmerc
Republicans win by making it HARDER to vote not easier
ninjarabbit
Yeah except pizza didn’t win this time
GroverKerr
We know, please try to stay focused on the context of the analogy presented. You're not smart for pointing out that Trump won. We all understand that. It was the direct context of AOC's quote.
Hexidimentional
bold words for someone who's on the menu right now
GroverKerr
Yeah, stating the obvious to make people feel smart gets upvotes on social media, who knew. Validation seeking is the entire basis of why most of you are here.
mezzidriel
Weird hill to die on but okay.
ScootinNtootin
We have just as many dummies as they do. More actually, since we technically make up 62% of the population but just don't vote. And this is the Internet where, idk if you've been before, there will be plenty of useless word minutiae NO MATTER WHAT. You think being a condescending asshole to one will change that? They're on your fuckin side dick for brains. For someone calling out someone else's intelligence, you don't seem to be using much of it yourself.
ElleW1988
With all do respect, I don't think we do. This feels like a kind of "both-sides"ism. Are there stupid democrats/liberals/progressives? Absolutely. But just as many? I don't think so. For all the democrats flawed policy-making it simply doesn't rise to the lack of constitutional knowledge MAGA has demonstrated notwithstanding the racism and religious zealotry that prevents compromise, and the cult-like mentality that has been demonstrated toward Trump.
GroverKerr
Democrats/Liberals/Progressives tend to be more self-defeating and corporate trained apathists than stupid. We'll argue for months on Reddit we passionately hate and would never vote for candidate who shares 99% of our values and once misspoke or carefully stated a nuanced opinion in a CNN interview 30 years ago. Then we'll not set an alarm to vote. Then we'll blame everyone other than our selves for the state of the world.
gtotherizzle
Yeah this will take decades to "fix" if it ever happens
NaughtyGod1
Not necessarily...
OverwhelmingSurplusOfDiggity
It will never be fixed, any more than the British empire could be fixed.
That time is gone.
America would have to do some big shit against the oligarchs who are eating the country, in a global and public way, and that might earn some respect back. Maybe it would even be enough.
But most likely, America will never be the big man on campus ever again. We need to get used to that, because our voters decided to do it.
eronth
Unless something drastic happens, it will not fix within my lifetime.
SlightlyBetterThanYou
Got what I voted for. :)
FMC01
Decades is optimistic. Civil war ended in 1865, Civil rights act was pass in 1964. Almost a 100 year gap in middle. :(
Emrys12
Rofl you don't fix what she's talking about you switch systems
Hexidimentional
Generational damage, you may never recover from the damage to your reputation. Canada has found other trade partners and we're looking to replace the USA as our sole purchaser of albertan oil
meme2zombie
And looking at US history there won't be a concerted effort to fix anything, just claim it's all gone now and ignore all the sources of the next coup attempt.
ElAburrimientoMePuede
There is nothing anyone can fix because it has always been like this. The only thing that has changed is that they don't feel the need to hide the nasty anymore. The "decency" of the right was nothing more than a pretense, a disguise.
SuperfluousMeh
The magas I know won't change. It'll take death. But looking at their health habits, I'm patient.
cytherians
At this rate, it will never be fixed. We've had a racism problem in the USA since it began. A few in positions of power have sought to change that at various stages, but it has never been a lasting change. At times, racism ran for cover... hid away as it knew it didn't have the numbers to flourish. Obama becoming president was a great milestone, but it also revealed... that a lot of dry-rot racism was still in our foundation. Trump? He added toxic water... releasing spores. Spread like mold.
Lithens
This is why I've low key given up on the US. Do I spend another half my life trying to fix a country i serve or be at peace and live more comfortably elsewhere? Hard decision.
SlightlyBetterThanYou
Get out then
Toqom
USA is gone
duffman3335
Decades? Go to South Carolina. They still talk about the Civil War EVERY DAY! That was over 150 years ago and only lasted FOUR YEARS. Gonna take a lot longer, I'm afraid.
fireclanninja1337
Conservative thought will never go away. It's based on great and insecurity. Best we'll get is a swing to the left and the troglodytes will crawl back under a rock for a few decades to build up a victim complex all over again.
FlintNorth44
And then another trump comes along and this starts all over again.
Hexidimentional
The treaties that Trump tore up because a black person wrote them were so damaging to international peace that the rest of the world will have trouble ever trusting the usa ever again, if all it takes to end the iranian nuclear armstice treaty is a fat slob addicted to mcdonalds its not worth signing with america
KleptoKea
And Americans are going to have to get off their asses to make that happen. They had their biggest protest in US history recently and it was barely even 2 percent of the population, for barely a day,in response to their country being a hop and a skip away from going full fascist. That level of collective apathy is what enabled USA to go in this direction from the beginning. Other populations around the world have collectively engaged to maintain/protect their democracy. Americans need to as well
Cruxia13
The US has been built to ensure that doesn't happen, though. For most people taking a day off work to protest means having to cut back on food because they live paycheck to paycheck, yet 2% was willing to do it anyway. Going out twice means not having enough to pay rent instead. There's not enough financial security for people to be able to protest back to back and still be able to survive, and if they're screwed either way most people will choose a tentative roof over their heads.
cytherians
2% is a lot. Considering the percentage of adult who are able-bodied, even 20% of them taking to the streets would bring the nation to a stand-still. But we're making progress. Next one needs to be 4%, then 8%...
KittyKlimt6
We need to ask for the real reasons, so we can fix the right problems. Answers are there, but will never make it to majority in the prevailing system. I lost hope. Why? Because all of it happened before. The reasons remain unchanged.
gtotherizzle
This started back in the 90s when Clinton faced off with Gingrich. Obama being elected triggered a lot of people. And the pushback from the "Tea Party" set it all in motion years ago.
cytherians
Our nation fixates on leaders. On individual drivers. AOC is an amazing champion. We need a few more of her. And then we need a clear and concise message that really resonates with a majority of people.
First is AWARENESS. Many people don't fully grasp the breadth of what's truly going on. We need a good story and the media to propagate it. Next is DEMOCRACY 2026 / 2028. The "PROJECT" for the left-wing. A really comprehensive plan. And finally, putting that plan into ACTION.
rossimus
I dunno, things can change very quickly when they start to fall apart.
CrazyCatLad
Yep. The people who support him always existed. Now, they have a platform with hate and stupidity put upon a pedestal. They have deified cruelty.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
When an entire party is complicit, I don't see how it gets fixed. The Republican Party has essentially decided that laws and the constitution are secondary to power, and have abdicated all of their powers to Trump. Republicans in Congress should want the power of the purse, they've given it to Trump. They should want to stop blatant corruption of the President via crypto and gifts? They've allowed Trump to have them. They should want a Supreme Court free of influence? They've allowed it.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
(2) We have one party in this country that is beholden to a shitty system reliant on political donations, many of whom (but not all, sadly) who want to change that system. Then we have another party in this country who will disregard any law or any right if it means they get more power and wealth. That is not sustainable.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
(3) Meanwhile the right has seized basically every information outlet Americans will ever see: cable news, broadcast television, every major social media site and app. They can spread disinformation and misinformation to confuse and outrage the public against Democrats and any reform candidate. The level of actual knowledge of the average american voter about the state of our political and civil system is absolutely abysmal, and getting worse. How does that change?
PinkyTheUnicorn2
(4) meanwhile our actual electoral system is, statistically, the least representative of any democracy on earth. The Senate, where a Senator from Wyoming representing less than 600,000 people has the same power as a Sen. from CA representing 50m is laughable. They choose SCOTUS, federal judges, all appointments, and impeach the president. That can't be broken in any meaningful way that I see.
The only solution I can see is a general strike, and with the right's stranglehold on info, how?
LokiShade
We haven't even touched "fixing" Reaganomics.
ableck
The Second Civil War will take less than decades, don't worry.
SlightlyBetterThanYou
And the lefty nerds will be dead in seconds because they are the epitome of weakness
ableck
We'll be dead because the other side armed itself with ARs to the brim.
royce32
At this rate its coming in 2026. Fun times.
Wikipedo
Hoping the other countries moving away from the US help the US realise they aren't everything to everyone
vanillax
US always have been too self absorbed for this to have any significant impact
cytherians
Greatest military strength, leading innovative technology, phenomenal agricultural powerhouse, currency standard, entertainment capitol, nation building and philanthropy... USA was leading in this for many decades. Now? Trump is tearing that all down.
NeoNeanderthal
Use a guillotine. You'll be done in a week AND they scale.
ElAburrimientoMePuede
77 millions voted for Trump knowing full well what he represents and how he is as a person. The problem the US has can't be fixed at this point.
IHateThatIReddit
THIS! Cut the cancer out!
AllegedlyTonyDutch
You need to read God and the State by Bakunin, especially the chapter about the french revolution.
davebarton315101
Very low recidivism rate too.
StarscreamAndHutch
Woodchippers
CallMeCourierSix
Feet first.
StarscreamAndHutch
TGIF!
Toes
Go
In
First
InitHello
Pigs.
Krossis
Technology has come a long way since the French revolution
smokinghashalg
Look up how long the French "Revolution" took before the guillotine came out. Even after, they traded that corruption for another one. People need to learn history more.
BeneBeGood
Instructions unclear. Guillotine not good for pedophiles?
smokinghashalg
Its more than fine, but there's talking the talk and then there's reality.
gtotherizzle
Yeah I know. The terrors continued for decades
bourbonandbaddecisions
The next democratic POTUS can declare the GOP a terrorist organization as an official act. Size all their assets under RICO and jail the lot of them.
volcabsol
I really admire you still having faith in these processes. I don't know why, but I admire it in some way.
StarscreamAndHutch
If this is still america by the time that could happen. We’re running on inertia thats about to be expended. They are operating like there is no constitution and no organization or individual with enough power to tell them otherwise exists in our borders.
Gilartion
If she does it well, I believe she will likely lead the next generation of Democrats.
CrazyCatLad
BuT sHe WaS JuSt a BaRtEnDeR!!
ToSisPoS
White colonial nations are nowhere near ready to vote in a woman to lead the country, especially a woman of any ethnicity.
ArcUlfr
The fuck are you on about? I think the US is about the only colonial power that hasn't had a female head of state, apart from Russia.
ToSisPoS
Canada had one, but we didn’t elect her. She was sort of tossed under the bus when Mulroney stepped down.
ArcUlfr
Canada never had colonies of its own as far as I'm aware, so I wouldn't call it a "white colonial nation". UK and France have definitely had women in charge, though it looks like France has had a female PM but not president. England had a reigning queen before it became a colonial power in the first place, though, and multiple women as prime minister over the years. Spain has not, so I was wrong about that, but Portugal and Italy have had women as prime minister.
ToSisPoS
No, but we sure as fuck colonize the country that we are in. Well, Whatever, I’m not sure to debate.
StarmineRendezvous
Unfortunately I agree with ToSisPoS here, a women will unfortunately have to wait a bit until younger generations have more influence.
StarmineRendezvous
That said, once she does, I think she will do very well. I just hope all progressives/leftists understand the era we are entering.
StarmineRendezvous
The transition we need is unspeakably radical for our current culture.
reinerdefender
I'd love to be able to agree ... but where are those younger and wiser generations? From what it looks like, outside the big cities, there's a generation of young republicans growing up again.
StarmineRendezvous
We'll see. There's so much coming it is hard to tell how perceptions will shift. Men may be more conservative/brainwashed but everyone's beliefs and understandings will probably shift with the tech coming soon. Either we have some enlightened leadership or this country dies and fragments going forward.
reinerdefender
The biggest question on my mind is still: will Peter Thiel try to pull off a sort of Medvedev (with Trump either being Putin, or more likely, with a kicking and screaming Trump being Medvedev)