It's not as if there were any good guys in this whole conflict. The iranian gvt, the Israel gvt, Hamas and Hisbollah, syrian islamists, libanese islamists - they're all trampling on the innocent Israelian, iranian, syrian, libanese people. The area has been going downhill for a long time and will continue so as long as ALL OF THEM don't accept that they have to find a way to live together. Freeing Palestine, or conquering all islamic countries in the Region wouldn't solve shit. Fuck religion.
Over here in the Netherlands there is now a political row over someone on the left stating we should stop sending shit to Israel, where his own party is now saying ‘but Israel needs te defend themselves’. We’re definitely in the stupidest of timelines.
Fuck around, find out. I don't waste my sympathies on Israel. Just as I don't waste tears on the U.S. for letting Trump and his fascist regime take power. If the people won't rise up and say "enough is enough," then they're just as much to blame.
War is always horrible and the ones who lose it are those civilians who are not even involved in the conflict. It's not the people or for the people, it was bever about October 7 if he ever cared about his people he wouldn't have started a war that would get more israelies killed, he was counting on this, and now he wants to drag us all into his pointless war because he doesn't want to go to jail. It's never the victims fault. Just don't generalize your hate or you'll become what you hate.
Im pretty sure he wants to take over most of the region. He's talked about that kind of stuff before. He didnt get stopped going after Palestine, so he's moving on to Iran. After that it will be Iraq.
Screaming like a child who started a fire and burnt themselves is a bad comparison because I would help that child and not condemn that for it, it’s more like a serial killer who burnt themselves while committing murder by arson
Calling people antisemitic is rapidly losing it power.
Finding a home for Jews, finally, on the soil that’s bathed in the blood of the most innocent?
Then be divine?
Did God really choose that as Jewish destiny?
One hot take is that when the dust settles and the planet goes back into a temporary lull in activity focused on butchering, the Jewish faith is in danger of becoming quite a different thing by that point.
We desperately need to change our electoral system. We can't keep having Clintons running against Trumps or Bidens running against Trumps or Harris' running against Trumps
"First past the post" is a fucking cancer eating away at civilization. We have it here in the UK too. We need proportional representation like Australia. Australia has not initiated any military campaigns since ww2. They have supported the fucking yanks though at times.
They've been regularly killing Palestinians trying to get food and water from aid centers every day. Every day. Every day. Every AIPAC supported house representative and senator is responsible for allowing this to continue.
If Kamala was president she would have at least for sure stopped sending missiles to Israel at the pressure of the party. What comes next is not only the fault of the republican party and the Trump bootlickers, this is on those who didn't vote also, you know who you are you pieces of shir
mlk was not the only black preacher to ever exist, it might be Ai, but people currently living and working speak like that today, he didn't get that from nowhere
No, it's the US politician that was kicked out of the throne speech.... Oops, I mean state of the union./special session. Al Green. I guess I'll look for it myself. Well it sounds exactly like him. It may be AI, but it 100% trying to be him if it is AI.
I mean I'm not going to spare much grief for the military casualties in any of these places at this point, but having seen my own country commit atrocities, I'm not about to harden myself against the suffering of innocent Israeli civilians. It's bad to bomb hospitals no matter where they are.
I don't care if their top generals all live there; you don't bomb a civilian hospital to acheive a military objective. That's just my ethical perspective. Reasonable people can disagree what level of collateral damage is acceptable.
What's worse is intentionally building military targets right next to hospitals, which is what Israel is doing.
It's bad to bomb hospitals. It is far, far, worse to use hospitals as human-shields. And yet, Israel does it. And by Israel's lies every time they bomb a hospital, a military target being near by justifies bombing a hospital.
Okay, (1) if you want to make the BS "human shield" argument, then it applies in Gaza as well. But (2) you shouldn't make that argument because (and I feel like I'm stating the obvious here) it is still much much worse to bomb a hospital than it is to build a military base next to a hospital. You don't get to bomb civilians just because there are soldiers next to them.
They didnt bomb the hospital though, they bombed the command center next to the hospital. The hospital was collateral damage from the shockwave, which is still a tragedy but was not intended. Meanwhile there is no evidence Hamas ever had a command center inside a hospital except for calendars and guns Israelis 'found'
Fuck it, (7) As we can see, Israel has documented evidence against them of using human shields both on a personal level(IDF terrorists physically using palestinians as shields) and a logistics level(building military installations right now to hospitals)
(8) Any dipshit knows Israel will bomb the fuck out of a hospital and as such would avoid building militarily next to them because of it, IDF terrorists jerk off to pictures of dead babies
Man, if you're reading what I said as zionism, you weren't paying attention. If Hamas has consistently and responsibly been keeping clear of civilian areas, then I apologize for having been misinformed about that. But even if they, the IDF, or the Iranian army *have* put their facilities close to civilians, that's not, as you suggested, "far far worse" than bombing a goddam hospital. I'm arguing against murdering civilians; that's the *opposite* of zionism.
It's not, the comments on the TikTok video say it's Nuri Muhammad, a student of minister Louis Farrakhan. He sounds like Malcolm X cause that's who he's been emulating. You can look up videos of him.
You know what, I might be wrong. While Nuri can and does sound like that when giving an emphatic speech. I can't find the original source. People in the comments are dropping two other names as well, but no video to the actual source.
Iran did not bomb a hospital. Iran bombed an IDF command center that Israel built *next* to a hospital, because Israel uses human shields. The damage from the shockwave was enough to collapse the hospital. Its still a tragedy though
The US won't even stop people from killing its own children in its own schools. It ignores gang violence in its own cities because it's "just" black people killing other black people. It doesn't even protect its own govt representatives from getting murdered. Why would anyone expect the US to give a shit about violence in the middle east? As far as the US is concerned, they can all kill each other (with the US selling both sides their guns). The US Gov't does not give a fuck about violence.
Sure, if you want. But that wouldn't mean that Israel building a technology park 1km away from a hospital means Israel has used a hospital as a human shield.
Not sure if you’re aware but there have been lots of people in Israel that are against what their country has been doing in Gaza. But yeah, the government of Israel started this fire.
If you say lots are against it, how do you quantify the people that support it? Lotsx5? A lot lot lot lot lot of people support it? Versus the single lot that oppose it?
I have seen at least 2 surveys where they asked and most israelis still supported the war. They have been brainwashed since birth by the education system according to leading ISRAELI scholars and the have a religious ideology which they openly say things like palestinians who we allow to stay may become our servants according to their religion. Far too many of these people are completely fucked in the head. We all get good at what we practice and now what they sow they will reap.
A lot? I would say a fraction. A lot sounds like you are trying to paint them in a better light. It's not even close to a majority so it seems disingenuous
Not enough. I once had an Israeli online friend where we discussed the illegal settlements in the West Bank. His response was "Where are we going to live in the ocean?". So there is a lot of local support for Isreal to invade and occupy land and not because they need it.
No I'm not aware of that because it's not true. However, I still don't believe that innocent people deserve to die. If I start thinking like that, then I've got no principles. But what you're saying, it's very misleading. Of course there are a lot, but it is still a small fraction of the whole.
Also from the Penn State poll, 47% agree the IDF should "act like the Israelites at Jericho" and kill all inhabitants in conquered cities: https://www.palestinechronicle.com/poll-82-of-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion-n
65%+ believe in a modern reincarnation of “Amalek” and 93% of those think the command to “erase Amalek” applies today:
In general, when governments fuck up, it is the population who suffers. Any hospital bombing is a tragedy, and the people in that hospital didn't deserve that. But the nation and government of Israel definitely did deserve that.
habslove
Fuck them.
Turbosword123
Well, Bibi, if you think they've committed war crimes, why don't you go tell the ICC about it? I'm sure they'd be ecstatic to get to speak with you.
SavageDrums
Any target in Israel is fair game. Because every target outside of Israel is fair game to them.
sebele85
It's not as if there were any good guys in this whole conflict. The iranian gvt, the Israel gvt, Hamas and Hisbollah, syrian islamists, libanese islamists - they're all trampling on the innocent Israelian, iranian, syrian, libanese people. The area has been going downhill for a long time and will continue so as long as ALL OF THEM don't accept that they have to find a way to live together. Freeing Palestine, or conquering all islamic countries in the Region wouldn't solve shit. Fuck religion.
ToenailClippingsJar
Over here in the Netherlands there is now a political row over someone on the left stating we should stop sending shit to Israel, where his own party is now saying ‘but Israel needs te defend themselves’.
We’re definitely in the stupidest of timelines.
shorena
Sauce: https://www.tiktok.com/@greek4palistine2/video/7517689462680259858
Agatsu74
Would have been so much better without the shit music.
DVSBSTrD
@OP "in the rain"?
tinyCabbage
https://freepresskashmir.news/2025/06/15/israel-holds-key-military-meeting-in-fortified-bunker-beneath-tel-aviv-hospital-report/amp/ they purposedly build hospital above or near command centers, every accusation is a confession
GrenithTheSkald
Fuck around, find out. I don't waste my sympathies on Israel. Just as I don't waste tears on the U.S. for letting Trump and his fascist regime take power. If the people won't rise up and say "enough is enough," then they're just as much to blame.
Ssigel
War is always horrible and the ones who lose it are those civilians who are not even involved in the conflict. It's not the people or for the people, it was bever about October 7 if he ever cared about his people he wouldn't have started a war that would get more israelies killed, he was counting on this, and now he wants to drag us all into his pointless war because he doesn't want to go to jail. It's never the victims fault. Just don't generalize your hate or you'll become what you hate.
Trustinlies
Im pretty sure he wants to take over most of the region. He's talked about that kind of stuff before. He didnt get stopped going after Palestine, so he's moving on to Iran. After that it will be Iraq.
Wizdos
Oh no! Anyway...
AnOceanOfStars
People of Israel, take down your own nazi regime. You have Hitler at home.
gHoStBuStEr3456
I have family in Israel who for the record ARE MUSLIM AND HAVE FAMILY IN Gaza and have tried so hard to get out of Israel and can’t.
WhiteBoyWhoLovesHommus
Screaming like a child who started a fire and burnt themselves is a bad comparison because I would help that child and not condemn that for it, it’s more like a serial killer who burnt themselves while committing murder by arson
lonelyrangerofthedreams
May Israel has the same fair treatment he gave to Palestine. They are equal human as Palestinian. And by equal I mean as Israeli mean that.
JoylessGreyhound
Neten-yahoo is just trying to stay it off the Hague.
anSSLerrorhasoccuredandasecureconnectiontotheservercannotbemade
Calling people antisemitic is rapidly losing it power.
Finding a home for Jews, finally, on the soil that’s bathed in the blood of the most innocent?
Then be divine?
Did God really choose that as Jewish destiny?
One hot take is that when the dust settles and the planet goes back into a temporary lull in activity focused on butchering, the Jewish faith is in danger of becoming quite a different thing by that point.
zerogenix
I dont care if iran wins, I just want israel to lose
OvertleyBadpickuplines
Karma is a B, and she will peg you dry.
badbuddhist
We desperately need to change our electoral system. We can't keep having Clintons running against Trumps or Bidens running against Trumps or Harris' running against Trumps
JohnSmithterms
"First past the post" is a fucking cancer eating away at civilization. We have it here in the UK too. We need proportional representation like Australia. Australia has not initiated any military campaigns since ww2. They have supported the fucking yanks though at times.
CatEyebrows
UnlimitedTrickPony
the Germans which paid over $90 billions in reparations to Isreal
ontarioOT
Israel killed Palestinians trying to get food from aid centers yesterday, ffs. Spare me the crocodile tears.
ArthurT
Make their place look like Warsau.
PirateArrrgument
They've been regularly killing Palestinians trying to get food and water from aid centers every day. Every day. Every day. Every AIPAC supported house representative and senator is responsible for allowing this to continue.
heyoo42
If Kamala was president she would have at least for sure stopped sending missiles to Israel at the pressure of the party. What comes next is not only the fault of the republican party and the Trump bootlickers, this is on those who didn't vote also, you know who you are you pieces of shir
slamorama
Hahahha no.
heyoo42
*shit
KarateCanine
Anyone have the real video of the speech?
draconicus
Please yes. This badly cropped transcription is trasssh
KrondorMocker
Is there a real one? It kinda sounds like an AI text to voice generation of Martin Luther King Jr
billiebitkiller
mlk was not the only black preacher to ever exist, it might be Ai, but people currently living and working speak like that today, he didn't get that from nowhere
mixiekins
someone says it's Nuri Muhammad but I cannot find the speech in particular; I, too, would love to see it without the music overlay and crap subtitles.
KarateCanine
No, it's the US politician that was kicked out of the throne speech.... Oops, I mean state of the union./special session. Al Green. I guess I'll look for it myself. Well it sounds exactly like him. It may be AI, but it 100% trying to be him if it is AI.
mixiekins
humm, i found one fromay by him but it doesn't seem to be the same. i do hope you can find it, I'm not having any luck whatsoever.
AgainstMethod
I mean I'm not going to spare much grief for the military casualties in any of these places at this point, but having seen my own country commit atrocities, I'm not about to harden myself against the suffering of innocent Israeli civilians. It's bad to bomb hospitals no matter where they are.
tinyCabbage
https://freepresskashmir.news/2025/06/15/israel-holds-key-military-meeting-in-fortified-bunker-beneath-tel-aviv-hospital-report/amp/
AgainstMethod
I don't care if their top generals all live there; you don't bomb a civilian hospital to acheive a military objective. That's just my ethical perspective. Reasonable people can disagree what level of collateral damage is acceptable.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
What's worse is intentionally building military targets right next to hospitals, which is what Israel is doing.
It's bad to bomb hospitals. It is far, far, worse to use hospitals as human-shields. And yet, Israel does it. And by Israel's lies every time they bomb a hospital, a military target being near by justifies bombing a hospital.
So, y'know, fuck it.
AgainstMethod
Okay, (1) if you want to make the BS "human shield" argument, then it applies in Gaza as well. But (2) you shouldn't make that argument because (and I feel like I'm stating the obvious here) it is still much much worse to bomb a hospital than it is to build a military base next to a hospital. You don't get to bomb civilians just because there are soldiers next to them.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
(1) Gaza is dense as fuck.
(2) Israel made an intentional choice to put a military installation next to a hospital.
(3) Iran did not target the hospital.
WaxedApple
They didnt bomb the hospital though, they bombed the command center next to the hospital. The hospital was collateral damage from the shockwave, which is still a tragedy but was not intended. Meanwhile there is no evidence Hamas ever had a command center inside a hospital except for calendars and guns Israelis 'found'
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Fuck it, (7) As we can see, Israel has documented evidence against them of using human shields both on a personal level(IDF terrorists physically using palestinians as shields) and a logistics level(building military installations right now to hospitals)
(8) Any dipshit knows Israel will bomb the fuck out of a hospital and as such would avoid building militarily next to them because of it, IDF terrorists jerk off to pictures of dead babies
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Oh, and (4) No, building a military base next to a hospital is actively using it as a human shield.
(5) Overwhelmingly Israel claims that is what Hamas does and all of their evidence falls apart under journalistic scrutiny.
(6) Fuck off, zionist.
AgainstMethod
Man, if you're reading what I said as zionism, you weren't paying attention. If Hamas has consistently and responsibly been keeping clear of civilian areas, then I apologize for having been misinformed about that. But even if they, the IDF, or the Iranian army *have* put their facilities close to civilians, that's not, as you suggested, "far far worse" than bombing a goddam hospital. I'm arguing against murdering civilians; that's the *opposite* of zionism.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
1) Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on the planet
2) Israel is WHOLLY capable of targeting individuals instead of bombing multiple dozens of hospitals into rubble
3) Using human shields IS worse than ACCIDENTALLY having a hospital get hit by a military strike.
Huor
Wait, is this AI simulating the voice of Malcolm X? That’s not okay.
nojustsayitdont
Kind of my take. Definitely seems AI doing a respectable job of acting like a southern preacher at the least.
locozuma
Sounds a LOT like an AI.
SoulfireUK
AI or not, it’s the truth.
WarmMachineDD7
It's not, the comments on the TikTok video say it's Nuri Muhammad, a student of minister Louis Farrakhan. He sounds like Malcolm X cause that's who he's been emulating. You can look up videos of him.
mayodash
I thought it sounded like Sh Khalid Yasin
Huor
That’s a relief.
WarmMachineDD7
You know what, I might be wrong. While Nuri can and does sound like that when giving an emphatic speech. I can't find the original source. People in the comments are dropping two other names as well, but no video to the actual source.
Arbitrarynamehere
Yeah it's an AI voice, just unclear exactly who. Hate that we even have to have this side bar
Huor
See, the thing is, using AI makes people dismiss the whole thing as misinformation. Totally unnecessary.
Huor
Well that’s troubling.
madelinewuntch
Someone relieve this man again
WaxedApple
Iran did not bomb a hospital. Iran bombed an IDF command center that Israel built *next* to a hospital, because Israel uses human shields. The damage from the shockwave was enough to collapse the hospital. Its still a tragedy though
Howlingowl
They are only human shields if their enemies are evil enough to target them.
Silversalvation
So Israel is responsible for bombing their own hospitals as well. Truely disgusting government.
TsubakiTragic
... not a tragedy I will shed tears over. israel can go fuck itself, and yet the US will continue to support the genocide.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
The US won't even stop people from killing its own children in its own schools. It ignores gang violence in its own cities because it's "just" black people killing other black people. It doesn't even protect its own govt representatives from getting murdered. Why would anyone expect the US to give a shit about violence in the middle east? As far as the US is concerned, they can all kill each other (with the US selling both sides their guns). The US Gov't does not give a fuck about violence.
Doggoyesgood
In our news they say the next military target was more than a 2 km away...
livingonagiantfireball
Like i hear them said, they are aninals, just exterminate all of israel, wait they qere saying gaza oh well your turn now
Akurei00
...What?
PanNonOpticon
1 kilometer from the hospital is right next to a hospital?
Kerbal247
If you're Israel bombing Palestine, that was close enough for the last two years. Just sayin
RayneOfSalt
1km is not a long distance, dude. like 5 or 6 minutes walk. so yeah, right next is an appropriate description.
LMTMFA
5 or 6 minute walk? Nah, double that is a calm walking pace. Hell, 6:50 is my PB running for 1km. Yeah that's relatively slow, but still.
PanNonOpticon
You do know that if 1km away from a target is justification for hitting a hospital, you just justified all Israel hits on hospitals.
RayneOfSalt
I'm using Israel's justifications for targetting hospitals to justify Iran blowing up whatever the hell they want in Israel.
PanNonOpticon
Sure, if you want. But that wouldn't mean that Israel building a technology park 1km away from a hospital means Israel has used a hospital as a human shield.
CapttainKillJoy
Not sure if you’re aware but there have been lots of people in Israel that are against what their country has been doing in Gaza. But yeah, the government of Israel started this fire.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
If you say lots are against it, how do you quantify the people that support it? Lotsx5? A lot lot lot lot lot of people support it? Versus the single lot that oppose it?
awkungen42
I remember when over 80% of the population was fine with genocide. Burn the whole place to the ground.
JohnSmithterms
I have seen at least 2 surveys where they asked and most israelis still supported the war. They have been brainwashed since birth by the education system according to leading ISRAELI scholars and the have a religious ideology which they openly say things like palestinians who we allow to stay may become our servants according to their religion. Far too many of these people are completely fucked in the head. We all get good at what we practice and now what they sow they will reap.
anunexpectedgourney
A lot? I would say a fraction. A lot sounds like you are trying to paint them in a better light. It's not even close to a majority so it seems disingenuous
FuzzyX
Not enough. I once had an Israeli online friend where we discussed the illegal settlements in the West Bank. His response was "Where are we going to live in the ocean?". So there is a lot of local support for Isreal to invade and occupy land and not because they need it.
iamthecomet
No I'm not aware of that because it's not true. However, I still don't believe that innocent people deserve to die. If I start thinking like that, then I've got no principles. But what you're saying, it's very misleading. Of course there are a lot, but it is still a small fraction of the whole.
doobiedoobop
Not nearly enough of them
DocWino
Few
FukcTedCruz
82% still support the expulsion of all Palestinians according to recent polls. So I wouldn't say a lot.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-06-04/ty-article-opinion/.premium/do-82-of-israelis-really-back-expulsion-of-gazans-the-data-tells-a-different-story/00000197-39da-da41-a9f7-3dde468d0000
unwaver
+
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/03/poll-80-of-israelis-back-trumps-gaza-emigration-plan-majority-reject-palestinian-state/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Also from the Penn State poll, 47% agree the IDF should "act like the Israelites at Jericho" and kill all inhabitants in conquered cities:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/poll-82-of-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion-n
65%+ believe in a modern reincarnation of “Amalek” and 93% of those think the command to “erase Amalek” applies today:
unwaver
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/05/poll-shows-israeli-belief-that-palestinians-should-be-eradicated-is-no-longer-a-fringe-opinion/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The support is high across the board when looking at demographic trends:
Secular Israelis: ~69% back Gaza expulsion
Traditional: ~91%
Ultra-Orthodox (Haredi): ~97%
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/israeli-government-hits-back-international-pressure-over-gaza-mounts-2025-05-28/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Huor
You didn’t read the article. Hell, you didn’t even notice the friggin headline.
ErgodicAnomaly
How in the hell did he get 30 upvotes is beyond me, the people on this site are so regarded.
Huor
Judy like him, they didn’t click the link. Slamming Israel guarantees upvotes.
captainhappen
You linked to an article that directly contradicts your statement
unwaver
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/poll-82-of-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion-nearly-half-support-biblical-massacres/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
KarateCanine
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll
It's a penn state poll. 47% support killing EVERYONE in Gaza. Not just ethnically cleansing the land.
Higure
In general, when governments fuck up, it is the population who suffers. Any hospital bombing is a tragedy, and the people in that hospital didn't deserve that. But the nation and government of Israel definitely did deserve that.
doobiedoobop
The Israeli people could rise up and overthrow the genocidal regime whenever they want
BigBidiza
Do people in the US know this? Would be cool if they overthrew Trump that easily.
Higure
Hospital patients couldn't.
deidyomega
Well.. 80%+ of the people in those hospitals are okay with the genocide. So yeah, i think we can say they kinda did deserve it.
Higure
Well, then the remaining 20%, not to mention the children. It is a tragedy no matter how much you hate Israelis.
deidyomega
I don't hate Israelis, I hate the IDF. I don't hate Germans, but I do hate the Nazis.
Higure
Well, you do seem to hate 80% of Israelis, at least. Not that that contradicts what you just said.