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denigreur
Well, for some reasons, now that people have access to all information on the net. They chose to listen the dumbass that think alike.Comfort
boobcat
just americans
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
1 problem is journalists feeling they must give equal credence to both sides - like giving equal credence to NASA & the Flat Earth society.
RoyalD91
TIL Trump's retarded ass named a climate change denier as head of EPA
littlemirrorsatourfeet
Even if they were, CLEANER AIR AND WATER
Killerma
Idiots. There's idiots everywhere.. And it's starting to get annoying.
Greaticalia164
Theres seriously too many - its embarassing to be a member of the human race
penxv
No. But the IPCC, perhaps the most relevant climate science group on earth, was caught fabricating data in order to try to 1/2
penxv
Paint global warming as a worse problem than it actually is. 2/2
hardytardigrade
The real global conspiracy is the one where people who make tons of money selling out the health and lives of others control govt & media.
MeMomsSpaghetti
IlluminaBlade
Remember the fight to remove lead from everything everyone manufactured?
AIComments
Yup, especially from gasoline. The only scientists in it for the money were the ones hired by gas companies. Same as today.
TotallyNotBorisTheSovietSpy
My mother does. Also believes that the government tells holloywood what terrible events will happen years before they do so movies can >>
TotallyNotBorisTheSovietSpy
>> "predict" the future. Also she doesn't believe in the water Cycle. Also the polar ice caps melting and freezing cause the tides.
mrmartini
Why don't we apply Pascal's Wager to Climate Change? Cuz even if it doesn't exist, actions taken to prevent it yield positive results. 1/2
SevenLeagueBoots
The problem is that, using your analogy, the politicians trying to force change are Satanists dragging us to the Hell we don't believe in.
mrmartini
2/2 and if it does exist and people did nothing, then we're screwed. So whether or not it exists, take the safer wager.
jsktrogdor
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4254681996_27b1ed7ff0.jpg
jetflight
Except the moment politics gets involved, it's about none of those things. Even when right, politics taint things.
jsktrogdor
I don't see your point. So... because you distrust politicians... we should??? Ignore science? Not try to slow climate change?
TheGreyGryphon
Politics are all around you. From federal to you local condo board. Peoples disgust in it is entirely manufactured.
DarthFutuza
Well it isn't exactly for nothing since it limits other forms of energy production etc And that could cut profit margins for unclean energy.
Imgazorpazorpfuckingfieldbitch
Profit margins vs the habitability of the planet. Hmmm....
DarthFutuza
I'm not saying I agree with the profit margin side, in case that was unclear.
dovahndoge
huh that picture was on the wall of my science class along with another about climate change and gravity or something? ill try to find it
dovahndoge
here it is http://res.cloudinary.com/www-virgin-com/virgin-com-prod/sites/virgin.com/files/Articles/Getty/cc_0.jpg
dovahndoge
thx whoever posted the link
TCGreen
goingoncegone
My new favorite gif
anotherangrycephalopod
Just watched this episode last night. Lol
SuckMyGif
Freeze all motor func.. wait, wrong show.
JediWizard
relpmeraggy
MericanNightmare
BythepowerofchristIamtheLaderlappen
deimosVII
Perfect gif usage
corronna
Agreed
jcro21
justright.jpg
Mavgurian
Oohh!! That's why it is called TV programme!!
kindofanobody
This is so fucking relevant it hurts my heart.
jpparkenbone
Is this in reference to something specific? Because I have no idea what, if it is.
b00mh34d5h0t
I too would like to know
Villainary
Global warming
TheresAnUpvoteForThat
This:
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mrblack69
Love your username. That's funny.
jetstreaminfinity
this post is so fucking mind-numbingly vague
movethebongos
It is referencing this http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
TheGreyGryphon
If only there was a search algorithm that let you find this out for yourself...
imanatheistdebateme
I don't buy the conspiracy theory, but the "green" industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. Consider that.
Kierbear2g
As opposed to the climate change denying fossil fuel industry which gives away it's products for free? What a fucking idiotic argument.
movethebongos
The solution to consequences of blind consumerism isn't more (green) consumerism. It is to change.
azazyel
And of course NASA and NOAA are totally in on it too. (I've been actually told this here)
azazyel
http://clnsensus/">http://climate.na">imate.na">nsensus/">http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ http://www.noaa.gov/climate https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/
drhook
Fuck NOAA. He made it flood.
JayEnfield
http://forgeandsmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/200-5.gif
TugAndChug
I mean duh. They faked a moon landing, why wouldn't they fake climate data?
woodenbadger
NASA is too busy guarding the giant ice wall at the edge of flatland.
Treeman8733
Must be true if Fox News say so....
JohnDillingersPenis
Well when you're main source of "information" is entertainment opinion based "news" and talk radio... It's tough.
TheGreyGryphon
Except not. Holy shit you live in an airtight bubble if you don't think there are thousands of studies and papers on this very subject.
JohnDillingersPenis
What are you talking about? Studies on what? Did you miss the sarcasm perhaps.
DVSBSTrD
And Facebook, don't forget facebook!
JohnDillingersPenis
I'm informed! I read my talking points and everything!
TheGreyGryphon
140 characters on a picture repository is not a place to "cite sources or gtfo". Fuck me y'all are dense.
adsystem
tdurden420
Wow look at the glasses and lab coats! They must all be climate scientists! The science must be settled
MoltenFireGodDude
sauce?
TheresAnUpvoteForThat
I think google "Last Week tonight climate change" will turn it up.
tarataqa
Bill Nye!
Anonsy
I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of Oily Olivers lying mouth.
LordKrondor9000
Are you the guy who, when faced with a differing opinion, calls the person a cuck and then runs away?
Anonsy
Cuck? Please, that's a r/the_donald alt right catchphrase.
flavinbagel
Expand upon that, if you could.
2DollarBillsAreEvil
Whoever named it global warming fucked up. They weren't wrong, but the public sees "warming" and thinks if it gets cold it's all a hoax.
mrblack69
Scientists need better advertising for their assertions.
RobotsAndLasers
And a gag order on "the sky is falling" from so-called experts (Al Gore). When the "big" predictions are wrong, and the little ones seem 1/2
RobotsAndLasers
harmless, the result is that some people are going to ignore any more cries of wolf. 2/2
mrblack69
Lol, good point.
G3ologist
Global warming is the correct term. Average rise in global temps can cause cooler climates in particular areas.
IronicUsername
he should be seeing warmer air temperatures everywhere so he assumes it's a hoax when that isn't observed. [2]
G3ologist
I hear ya.
IronicUsername
Right but that's not the point. It's bad "branding," so to speak. The name leads the guy who doesn't know any better to believe that [1]
idontevenpost
In my opinion this is one of the worst arguments one can use to support a side. I do agree that global warming is a thing, but science 1/x
idontevenpost
Is not conducted through consensus. The vast majority of people used to think the Earth was flat, but a few people disagreed and proved 2/x
idontevenpost
That it wasn't. Again, I do agree that global warming is happening, but this argument does not provide any viable support for it
idontevenpost
lol didn't fully read it, immediately thought I was a global warming post from the first line. I am officially one of "those" people
jkbada
Someone who can support a position, yet still call out the bullshit in their own camp. I applaud you.
azazyel
Well libtard here's a senator PROVING that it's a myth~!
iownanamericanshorthair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU
jdavis1186
As an Oklahoman: Fuck Inhofe.
hokeyreligions
If there were snowball fights in the senate, C-SPAN would be worth watching.
uvwaexx
Stupid libtard agenda!
Krzyjoe
Checkmate, scientologists!
iownanamericanshorthair
Because temperatures cool in winter months, climate change does not exist?
azazyel
That's what Senator Jim Inhofe believes.
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caramelballoffur
The sarcasm flew right above your head didn't it?
chtwhite
This idiot is my senator from the most ignorant state in the US. Oklahoma. And what gets me - they're proud of it.
DVSBSTrD
Should've added something melodramatic at the end like: "What has your precious science got to say about that?"
DVSBSTrD
Even on imgur, that's a big assumption to make.
IronicUsername
I know YOU'RE kidding but God I hate that this is a real thing that happened. So many of our leaders are no smarter than Youtube commenters.
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dankmaymaysaredank
iunderstoodthatreference.gif
chtwhite
He's not kidding. That's US Senator James Inhofe from Oklahoma. He's honest to God a moron.
IronicUsername
I'm aware. The imgur user is kidding about agreeing with him but I know that, unfortunately, that's an actual Senator and actual moron.
azazyel
I can't believe people actually thought I was serious. I do know the difference between climate and weather
fivecharacters
Poe's law. Ain't it a bitch. I wonder just how much misery that particular phenomenon is responsible for, given we now have the internet.
LordKrondor9000
In other news, hunger doesn't exist because I went out for dinner today.
deimosVII
Yes people really are that stupid. I had a silly cunt tell me autoimmune disease was a big-pharma myth. I'm an immunologist.
Keairan
I guess my sister can stop taking her humira and her joints won't fuse. Fantastic news.
apwillenme
OK but it's not Lupus. It's never Lupus.
fivecharacters
It's inhuman to even consider, but at what point do you let these people feel the full consequences of their terrible choices?
fivecharacters
How long would you live if you "didn't believe" in antibiotics? Ripe old age of died from a scratch?
petrichor93
My therapist told me autoimmune diseases don't exist because the body would never attack itself, according to a Medical Medium. I fired her.
Grant0
Well you're obviously in on the conspiracy then, so surely we can not trust you.
TimTheEnchanter01
I guess I can come right off of my insulin then! This is fantastic news!
DarthFutuza
Just hold them responsible for malpractice and pretending to be qualified to give authoritative medical advice.
screamingwinemaker
LOL!!!
NoImSparticus
The idea that academic are organised enough to form a global world wide conspiracy... Most professors can barely find their lecture halls.
jkbada
Seriously?! Most professors are unashamed in pushing agendas, regardless of political leaning or the subject they teach
boneh3ad
Too close to home. -A professor
TheRicM
Exactly what a professor who belongs to a global world wide conspiracy would say
zorrofuerte
Most researchers are too worried about making sure their grants are getting funded to form a global conspiracy.
rcb502
HAHAHA, truth!
StormageddonDarkLordOfAllAKAAlfie
Cause they're so busy conspiracating!!!
yardgnomeninja
And their egos tend to make it near impossible for them to work together.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
Actually it's way easier to just agree with each other as scientists than to cause a commotion.
landisfloatingrock
Unless of course their abstract is absurd.
megaepicllama
This depends more on their field
dgmeclipse
I can safely say I've never experienced that in my research experience (computational physics)
NoImSparticus
Wasn't being 100% serious, but there are some who rely heavily on uni admin staff to organise things for them.
RussianMathNinja
I have met a few pretentious mathematicians, but most of them have been very nice, remarkably normal people.
NoImSparticus
I work at a university so I am friends with a bunch of academics, I was more running with the classic professor joke.
RussianMathNinja
Oh, the bit about being disorganized is pretty much spot on (albeit with many notable exceptions).
alonebutihaveadog
This isn't true (usually, though there's a few I've met who fit the stereotype)
NoImSparticus
I know a lot of academics, most are just far more concerned with their research to be overly interested in trying to take over the world.
alonebutihaveadog
I should clarify that my only experience is in physics.
dgmeclipse
Your name makes sense now
tdurden420
No but I do think the oft-referenced "97%" is derived from a methodology tht vastly understates the disagreement on such a complex subject
whyteraven74
Find me a scientist who thinks pollution isn't a big deal.
tdurden420
Are we talking about pollution or incremental hemispheric temperature changes? The "97%" chant has to do with one but not the other
G3ologist
More than one group has come up with the 97%. And the bar was pretty low, only that it's getting warmer and humans are involved.
tdurden420
Exactly my point: human actvty might shw up in data, sure. But with a material effect? If so, how does compare to natural ecological change?
G3ologist
With a huge effect. The co2 we put into the atmosphere is isotopically different than natural co2. We are out-pacing the carbon cycle
Nobody7713
Historically, natural ecological change has taken hundreds of years to accomplish what we're doing in decades.
tdurden420
I think "we're" more likely to see such a one off wild swing from a graph on Mother Jones than ones I've seen from NOAA
MrKristy
This is based in estimates, but who knows, we weren't around before. Our numbers aren't perfect, from our understanding of physics 1/2
MrKristy
Some stars should be crushed by their own weight. But alas, they are not. 2/2
SevenLeagueBoots
No, we think that there are a large number of politicians trying to get us to pay for things that won't make the environment cleaner, but -
Greaticalia164
I Lol'd at this comment
SevenLeagueBoots
will go into their pockets while taking more of our freedoms.
Locolarue
Exactly. Come up with solutions that aren't "Taxes!" or "The government can..." and I'll listen.
G3ologist
You're not wrong.
Corrodias
1) I'm not sure why people think anyone gets off on "taking freedoms", but are you suggesting here that among all the terrible, government
SevenLeagueBoots
There is a long historical record of politicians taking various freedoms from the people, and evidence suggests they enjoy(ed) it.
Corrodias
3) I forgot about coal, there, silly me.
Corrodias
2) corruption going on in the USA, oil-related corporations actually have *less* influence than solar, wind, and hydro related ones?
RedDwarfIV
Oil has lobbyists. Green energy is invested in by the politicians themselves.
Corrodias
Now why would they do that? They could invest in oil and have an easier time of it.
Glumerlink
there's this weird distrust of professionals who have spent their lives working in scholarly professions
algavinn
My dad likes to occasionally say "I don't understand why all the professors are liberal, they're supposed to be educated!" .... *sigh*
jetflight
Because too many professionals and experts have sold their soul to things worse than the devil - politics! So even when right - distrusted.
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Imgazorpazorpfuckingfieldbitch
What about, oh I don't know...the oil industry? Tell me again how there's no money in denialism
MelodiousDissonance
Geology student, my family likes to grill me on if fossils are real or a conspiracy, or if we just buried stuff and dig it up later T.T
MotionOfTheOcean
Part of the reason I cannot feel good staying in the field. I'd like to be shown some respect... orz Not much, just some.
peckovermedia
It's been going on for centuries. Read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, or R L Stevenson's Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, classic examples of fear (1/2)
peckovermedia
(2/2) mongering in popular literature.
DukeFlipside
Pop culture doesn't help; too often you have a scientist baddie and a musclebound working class farmhand with a heart of gold saving the day
Nurse4Brains
THIS. I swear the professionals who get the most hate are doctors/nurses/healthcare in general.
InboxMeWhatYouLove
"It's all a Chinese hoax folks, believe me!"
BayazTheBenevolent
Greaticalia164
its strange to the educated why masses of people would prefer idiocy
Grant0
Makes me think of Joseph Goldberger trying to prove pellagra was caused by diet rather than infection. Over 3 million cases (1/2)
Grant0
(2/2) and over 100k deaths just from lacking niacin. But folks down south rejected the science - many because he was jewish & from New York.
candleinhisdick
It's not weird per se, it's the belief they're doing it to keep their jobs and no other factor. Same is said about cures for diseases
NinjablazerZero
The problem is more faceless professionals. We can trust a name and a face, but when all you get is "experts," and not names thing get /1
NinjablazerZero
Sketchy. Any rando can call themselves an expert. People are more receptive if ths expert is named and we see them. We trust that more. /2
Tom40
Especially by professionals who have spent their lives working in politics.
CeruleanK
What they know about authority is that it's supposed to come from popularity and power. They don't like the idea of another way to have it.
TremendouslyBestWords
People who are dumb/ignorant feel defensive. Those feelings validated by opportunist pols in pay of Big Oil and others. The whole story.
rnorth
Apparently the ones that think they're so smart feel defensive as well
LeGrandPeg
aleister94
Sometimes I think it's jealously cuz if you admit someone is right about something you're also admitting they know more about it than you
ABadManWithABeard
There's a weird distrust of organizations and funding sources that said professionals work for, usually.
thatguyisreallydeep
Look, let's just trust politicians instead. Only certain politicians. It'll be fine.
MemeMyselfnI
Seen "Peer review" from the inside. BS and back scratching. Insider tips on how to word the grant requests. N this w/o climate gate.
Ruoska
When you see so much absolute bullshit conveyed as fact by the media it is easy to just ignore everything. I can see why there are sceptics.
fleacollerindustry
A lot of it has to do with smart/"smart" people having an attitude of "we'll take care of you" and not treating others as equals.
Tyrannotron
They have a nasty habit of saying things that are inconvenient to believe are true.
RedroverRedrover
Almost an inconvenient truth, you might say.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
You all understand that it isn't so much that people don't believe. It's that if we believe we have to DO something, and it's hard.
kilroyishere
Did you hear vaccines cause autism? (please don't kill me it was a joke I have a family)
MrsRodriguez
Lol yes. It's called the chip on my shoulder complex. If you can't understand it or explain it then no one can.
Rifneno
1-Every retard on the internet thinks they know more than experts. On everything. Always. I'm occasionally getting into it with people on
Rifneno
2-the Chris Benoit murder thing. One of the country's top neurosurgeons talked about how badly damaged his brain was and the severity of
Rifneno
3-the dementia he would've been suffering. Always, without fail, morons go on about how it's impossible because he was functioning day to
Rifneno
4-day. Sure guys, you know more about the brain than a guy who writes books on neurosurgery. STFU, internet.
ashipthatshipsshippingships
What makes me *extremely* sad is that the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology don't really believe in science. Shoot me.
WiqidBritt
It's more of a committee to control science, unfortunately.
JayEnfield
Well, that's still 2 out of 3, right?
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dandydust
burn
JayEnfield
Right, but you're not giving them that because of what they've done, but because of what you WANT them to do.
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HallandOaters
Literally, tell me about it. Deal with this daily. Google has replaced my med doctorate. And their yoga instructor knows more. As well.
thisismyanonymoususername
That's why you go into radiology! Cool toys, awesome diagnoses, lots of good done in a day's work and talk mostly to other docs!
HallandOaters
Haha if only it was that easy, Radio is pretty competitive
youreawesome
damn. In Yoga Teacher Training we are told if any of our students have a problem, then they should consult their physician. like wtf?
fivecharacters
And you're not kidding either. I get clients all the time who had google as a legal advisor and yet somehow got into trouble regardless.
goodguyC
1/2 My physician father was diagnosed with cancer earlier this year, and my friend who works at a supplement store said he can be cured by
goodguyC
2/2 taking the correct vitamins, and monitoring his alkalinity. I about smacked her...
HallandOaters
I feel like my patients reach out for things they hope will cure them of their ailments because its a hope that they can control. When you
HallandOaters
I think this to be a visceral response. Something we all feel or can relate to. So, depending on how close you are to your friend. She might
HallandOaters
Place your life in another person, its scary. You place the thing most precious to you in the hands of another person. Vulnerability.
HallandOaters
Have been saying what she thought to be the most comforting thing in her lack of education, in ignorance. But in essence, she was only
HallandOaters
Trying to help. But if shes a type who thinks shes a know it all, then yeah fuck em.
FauxFargoth
There's also this weird thing among science deniers that being a skeptic means "any interpretation of the data is valid".
LeGrandPeg
It's like in school when teacher goes "there are no right and wrong answers" to stimulate debate. Well, sometimes there are wrong answers...
FauxFargoth
Not sure why this was downvoted, you're correct. There absolutely are right and wrong answers to debates.
whothehellareyouanyway
People fear what they don't understand. Also, stupid people tend to be jealous of smart people.
terithian
If only they would fear climate change because of that, not the people trying to do something about it.
EdgeGod
I fear the big rip. Coincidentally, i don't understand it.
BrawnyMan312
Some people who believe everything some scientists say about global warming are stupid too- They just happen to agree with no understanding
whothehellareyouanyway
I would rather take the word of an accredited scientist over that of a oil company executive, politician, or random internet denizen.
HamsterOnAGoat
stupid people tend to think smart people are trying to screw them over and don't have everyone's best interests at heart
whothehellareyouanyway
That's why they're stupid.
TimeFoDat
Spend 10 minutes trying to help a room full of PhDs with the simplest of computer problems & you'll lose all faith post-secondary education.
blastoiseisthebest
I dont understand this. Why?
TimeFoDat
I don't either. It's like getting a PhD & becoming a professor makes you completely incompetent when you're within 10 ft. of a computer.
moxymox
queue Isaac Asimov's quote about anti-intellectualism.
JoeinCanada
"... nurture by the false notion that democracy means 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
RedroverRedrover
*cue :)
TotesNotTheNSA
Maybe he wanted to put it in line
RedroverRedrover
Lol
middleagedman
They talk about global warming but dang it it's snow outside right now!
biglongandgirthyusername
I live near the equator i beg to differ its always hot here
SolictedDickPicsUponRequest
And the counter point is that every wildfire, tornado, or strong wind is due to climate change. Idiots on both sides.
PresidentialRoboHobo
What's up Senator Inhofe?
jerryyouidiot
That's why they changed it to Climate Change, but the summers are still getting hotter each year, but you know this
TheWallpaperMaker
where i live our summer has been mild the last two years. 3 years back we broke our record for longest time above 100 degrees farenheit
middleagedman
/sarcasm
TraitorousTrump3
GOPers we're complaining about global warming because it got cooler. In November. Compared to October. Of the same year.
Melanisia
This just in: World hunger is ended! I just had a sandwich....
tarataqa
damn, now I want one!
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tarataqa
Blame @Melanisia for not sharing!
OhCommentMyComment
I've heard my grandfather say this verbatim
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
This is essentially my dad's argument
UtdNc9J
Same
tarataqa
Your dad is an idiot.
MeMomsSpaghetti
Is your dad the President Elect?
middleagedman
Or his daughter
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
If he was I wouldn't need student loans for my degree lol.
TheyCallMeMrPigeonCuzImJustSoCoo
We are so fucking fucked.
fivecharacters
Come live with us in Scandinavia, buddy. We'll hold out longer, I'm sure.
TraitorousTrump3
That same guy appointed someone who hates the environment to head the EPA. Fucked is an understatement.
aboveaverageorangatan
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Global warming refers to the overall mean temp of the globe. That doesn't mean it can't be colder in spots. It's more like global weirding.
NateintheNorth
My prof used that same term in college!
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
I understand this, he thinks the earth goes through natural temp changes, which is true, but we're rapidly accelerating it.
middleagedman
I was mocking the right wing media echo chamber. There is already tidal flooding in Newport News Va.
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
When we have Senators bringing snowballs into the Senate to make this exact argument, it's hard to tell who's kidding and who's not.
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
Michael Gove (weird-clapping UK politician, defo not a robot) said this year that “people in this country have had enough of experts” o.O
Tunaccat
That's why I get all my real estate advice from my cat, Mittens.
goodguyC
Stop making people feel inferior by knowing more than they do...
doodleinthemargins
And he used to be secretary of state for education...
Glumerlink
in the US we're now told routinely by politicians that facts don't matter, what matters is what we feel
LiterallyFamine
Every anime ever would agree.
Glumerlink
ahh yes "friendship and love beat power"
CheeseIsNaturesFudge
Reminds me of that Simpson's episode where they had a boys and girls school.
DrowsyDude
makes me think of that weird witch doctor song
KnightSlayerTsorig
By Jesus we are going back to the time of the church... START A CRUSADE, RETAKE THE HOLY LAND! DEUS VULT!
maniacalmacaroni
Winter makes me feel cold, ergo global warming is an elaborate ruse perpetrated by the Chinese in order to weaken US manufacturing.
FauxFargoth
They don't even hide it anymore, they basically come out and say that directly too. We're hired morons to run this place :/.
Glumerlink
it was the entire republican platform this election "THINGS FEEL BAD"
FauxFargoth
Tbf, the democrats did a lot of that too :/. The debates aren't really debates anymore, doing more harm than good.
cam8001
People get pissy about that comment but he said "...experts saying they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong" 1/2
cam8001
While Gove is mendacious scum, his point resonates - we've been told austerity is the best solution (maybe it is) but its hard to live with
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
The expert's point being discussed related to Brexit, and the experts were pretty spot on about that so far. I'm not sure experts are 1/2
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
recommending austerity, if anything that seems to be the government's policy despite expert opinion, but it does seem to be working somewhat
zorrofuerte
Umm, which experts said that about austerity? A lot of experts have said the opposite. Plus the generalization of experts isn't correct.
Nobody7713
Yeah most experts are anti-austerity because while it might work short-term, it hinders any kind of growth.
AwhatNwhatAwhatMwhatE
He certainly took a pause to breathe at exactly the wrong time. Giuliani did the same- you think we should have a woman for president? ...
AwhatNwhatAwhatMwhatE
Who has so many scandals etc. horrid timing.
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
Giuliani doesn't need any help in sounding like a nut job
SourK
I think that's it though. They're tired of hearing "experts agree" and being expected to take it on faith. Theyv been burned too many times.
beardedheathen
Well, the experts created a school system that doesn’t produce skilled graduates. The experts designed Obamacare exchanges that are failing.
killernerd
it's because the sentence "experts agree/believe/..." has been misused too many times by companies/advertisers/politicians/...
beardedheathen
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/fellow-trump-critics-maybe-try-a-little-listening.html
beardedheathen
Maybe those of us in the professional class need to win back some credibility the old-fashioned way, with effective reform.
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
That's a problem with trusting the press and the self-serving politicians who say this, rather than the experts themselves
STOPSHOPPINGFAKEARSES
Often the expert is being misquoted or selectivity quoted. Reminds me of this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/882/
beardedheathen
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/fellow-trump-critics-maybe-try-a-little-listening.html
blastoiseisthebest
Enjoyable. Thanks.
Agandau
I'm 53: I was taught that we were entering a new Ice Age, that eggs were unhealthy, then healthy, then unhealthy, then healthy. 1/2
Agandau
An "expert" declared that vaccines caused autism (he had the creds). All by experts. I can understand the "expert burnout" distrust.
fivecharacters
Experts didn't declare that. The newspapers did. If you researched on your own, you'd discover GW science to be more than 100 years old.
Ryebread91
And coffee. Don't forget about that.
Agandau
Yeah, coffee. Causes pancreatic cancer and high blood pressure. That shit'll kill ya!
FauxFargoth
That's kinda the problem though, there's no need to take it on faith when the data is there.
SourK
Not when the data is inconclusive, or there's people on both sides of the fence manipulating data points in their favor.
FauxFargoth
When data is inconclusive, yes, but when it's in overwhelming agreement then debate becomes somewhat pointless.
triscuit3000
the problem comes in when they decide not taking it on faith means ignoring experts altogether instead of doing their own research
SourK
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing that out. There are conflicting "experts" in every field and that makes research difficult.
triscuit3000
this is true. That's why you need to look at the facts and decide for yourself who to believe, but people don't do critical thinking anymore
Fextrus
The problem is that politicians have poisoned the well, and manipulated public opinion by abusing conflicting sources. It's a disgrace.