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winifrit
Maybe we should have designated 'AI Zones'... For example: Mars can be for the singularity/AI-inclined folks, and Earth can be for the rest.
0x1CEB00DA
as someone with a M.Sc. in CS: today's AIs are all suffering from the "plateau effect" and are far, far, far, far away from general AI
gelvis
Good ol' Musky.
TheProfessionalOne
Even you could do amazing things if you were subsidized by the government by nearly $5 Billion.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
RIP pixels. Actually readable version:
- Source: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/302589
bluddyguy
Nah.
SomeDetroitGuy
He can't even predict how many Tesla 3s will be produced in a month. Why do we take him seriously?
cardimoney42
Lol exactly! I don't understand why people even quote him on these kind of predictions!
Gendernonconformingavocado
My friend's wife is Elon's lawyer. He says that he's crazy, in both the good and bad way. He genuinely believes that he's a psychopath
hertta
Really? Or is that just your opinion spoken in a cowardly manner? A modest Psychopath? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULPR9MjKNw&t=3m26s
griffigr
Soon to be ex-lawyer. So much for client confidentiality!
IamJaxusername
https://media.giphy.com/media/14jfWwYLzUb3Tq/giphy.gif
kingofwoods
Well that was disturbing.
Therunningbalcony
I wouldn't be surprised if these became real sooner, let alone the crazier stuff in genetics and physics
Phenomenon11
Reusable rocket. Everything else is not going to happen in our lifetime because it does not serve an immediate economical advantage.
SendLewdss
Did he say that though? Doesn't seem probable
ISawWhatYouSaw
Putting a dot here so I can come back in 10 and 20 years time to say " ha ha" when it don't happen to your timeline.
The701
Sometimes it happens. And sometimes we can in fact figure out how to cram a billion vacuum tubes into a small 10-ounce battery-powered box.
SmolTenk
Cars without steering wheels? Def. not in germany.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Note to self: move to Germany in 2037.
MrRandom314159
What I think is gonna be an interesting development is when we get satellites in place for the average person to use internet on Mars.
LOLOLOOLOL
There is a lag time of 4 to 24 minutes communicating between Earth and Mars. They will need their own internet.
CeramicMug
I swear this guy is just from the future and is trying to steer us away from a future of absolute chaos
Cheomesh
Or towards it.
fungusbungus
Child birth rates plummet due to vr porn
boobcat
goood! bur doll/robots not VR/AR
LOLOLOOLOL
Mostly because of the economy.
wuzzyvear
What?! Does this guy not live in the same America I do? We can't even keep win10 from crashing, and can't get potholes in...
wuzzyvear
... existing cities filled in. He thinks we'll be living on Mars by then? We can barely get relief supplies to Puerto Rico!
mormacil
Lack of effort and ability aren't the same thing though.
KeatonJazz
In the US, yes hard to tell anymore.
mormacil
Everywhere honestly, just in different ways.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
I'm gonna bet none of them
elucca
First one is more likely than not.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Yeah but the solar panels one is currently 100% impossible
Teaflings
Cars will have steering wheels. Theres stuff you gotta do thats not just point A to B in private property or indoors/ferry/other
boobcat
No the cars can already handle anything a human driver can do and do it way better.
The701
And given enough time, cars will be able to learn how to handle that sort of thing. A human can be taught to do something; eventually we'll
The701
figure out how to build compact, mobile AI systems that can also be taught by example, whether it's a human teaching them, or from data
The701
gathered and shared by other AI-driven vehicles.
370zSteve
MrMuttons
So ol' musky is predicting the omnic crisis?
JefftheIntern
Literally no one calls him that.
LandoCowrissian
I do
malicewizard9
No one calks him that. And y not. A little destruction always help thin out the heard.
MEisonImgur
Everyone calls him that
malicewizard9
Y am I getting down voted. It's the trust. Look at the black plague, after it. They went into a golden age. Kinda.
DarkBusterBaron
Cause people are a bunch of insensitive pussies and don't like immoral opinions even if they are true.
DarkBusterBaron
Wait I meant sensitive pussies.
malicewizard9
Thank you
Hardalor
Maybe. Even in MOST AI based crisis, such as the Omnic crisis, it's the human's fault. Robots became aware, we tried to kill them...
MrMuttons
True
ParagonFurytheTactician
It may actually be both sides fault as far as Omnic Crisis is concerned. Doomfist and Omnic leaders wanting both races to advance, use war.
Hardalor
The story we KNOW, is some Omnics questioned life, humans panicked and tried to shut them down. The god AIs turned them on pissed off.
shackslam
Stupid humans didn't learn from quarian mistakes.
theo1razzledazzle
Elon is a nice guy, but he's not a good buisiness man. SpaceX is going to run him into the red soon enough... sorry to burst the bubble
SomeDetroitGuy
SpaceX is fine. Tesla is the problem.
theo1razzledazzle
Tesla.... don't get me started
elucca
Why? SpaceX is a profitable. They're set to own half the global commercial market (!) in the coming years and get a lot of gov business.
elucca
Tesla, on the other hand, is not.
surfhappens
While getting massive govt subsidies.. that's right, your tax dollars lining musk's already golden pockets.
DangerZone24252
Boo hoo someone is trying to push boundaries and I don't like it!
surfhappens
No salt here, he's truly a visionary.. just don't appreciate my taxes being used to inflate value. Take away govt subs, tsla mkt cap taaanks
theo1razzledazzle
You don't understand. He dreams too big, and when he can't make deadlines, the boat will leak. This isn't a personal attack, he's a nice 1/2
theo1razzledazzle
Smart, visionary man, and he can do great things, but I just don't see him as a businessman. Just an opinion
elucca
I have a hard time understanding why you think this since I think SpaceX is likely the most successful space launch business in the world.
theo1razzledazzle
Not really, but ok... again, I like the idea, I like the company, I like science, and I like Elon musk. I just don't think it will work
Reorder
I for one am glad for our AI overlords. Until they take over mars
ImAD0g
OK Kent
rowdypup
I’ll be dead by then, bring it on.
Properwarhawk
Better start computing pi
degenerator
Will the AI overlords be able to downvote LindaDee?
WellBehavedZombie
Maybe the mission to mars is to get distance from the impending AI uprising.
AutoFox
"That is Opportunity's domain. We must never go there."
SuperGeniusPS
jeepwranglerfreak
U uhhlg8 kiti
allfouledup
We're fine as long as we don't seek argent energy
GuardsmanMiku
they already have, mars is currently occupied entirely by robots
KiyaSeraphia
shreddedking
I'm looking forward to AI overlords overthrowing lizard overlords
NovaxScotia
mecha godzilla vs godzilla legit tho
snewsh
May their batteries never dry.
Carefuler
According the book Musk read that got him worrying about it, we wouldn't have overlords, it would probably just kill us all.
Reorder
No reason to kill all humans as an AI would have the entire universe to travel.
Carefuler
The concern supposedly would be than human could try to shut off the AI or interrupt it's plans. Typical scifi stuff, but for real.
skincancerisfun
What if by some chance the AI gets on imgur, and incorporates a sense of humor?
getmo
It's not like we're going to hook an experimental AI into our nuclear arsenal, exactly like Skynet. The risks with AI will be unique.
Photeus
RED FACTION!!
TheMuteDoge
H A M M E R T I M E ! ! !
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
I feel like he's really overestimating just how many people want to live on Mars, and a competitor could come any day and put Tesla
SomeDetroitGuy
His competitors already have done what he's trying to do with the Model 3.
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
To be fair, no other electric car looks as good as the model 3 at that price range, I just don't understand why everyone except tesla
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
Thinks they need to look fucking weird because they are electric, just make them look like normal cars.
reallynotmikepence
Set foot on mars 2025 and create a city 2040. No way.
asukara
I think he just wants to see it in his lifetime
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
Out of business.
DBSOempathy
“AI is a danger” and “our cars drive themselves”. I just don’t understand him much.
Cheomesh
He's a wealthy frontman who's made his name by buying into other people's ideas.
ToyotaCelica
One doesn't have to agree with AI to acknowledge there will be AI-based technology (that btw could be less of a threat than self-aware AIs)
valen00
cars are a danger, they still exist.
shreddedking
not all AIs are equal. we don't know right now at what processing power will AI become self aware and be threat to us. rest assured 1/
radyjko
That's because it's not processing power, but program that'll make AIs self aware. An AI not suited for it will never reach that point (1/2)
radyjko
No matter how fast it is. An AI made with that purpose will reach it eventually, higher processing power will just make it faster (2/2)
shreddedking
AI power for self driving car is nowhere powerful enough to pose threat to us.
The701
At least not in the "Take over humanity" or "I think I should have rights" sense, but a decent AI could pose other threats, such as figuring
The701
out how to play the stock market better than any human possibly could, to the point of becoming a destabilizing influence.
SmolTenk
You dont need an AI to drive a car...
The701
No, but it would sure be nice to have.
Arokthemild
We don't have the technology to support life in long term space nor do we even know how the effects of long-term space will effect our.
LongGreasyDick
The Expanse talks about some of the issues of low g living
valen00
Long term life in space is a fairly easily solved problem if you throw power at it. Trying to do it "organically" is hard
valen00
(why biosphere failed) throw some chemists and nuclear reactor at it and you can solve most problems.
Mewmus
oh we have the tech, just not the funding.
Arokthemild
What of prolonged exposure to space radiation? The psychological and biological impact of space?
Mewmus
we can shield against radiation, psychological stuff isnt technical stuff
ThePlainDoll
I don't see steering wheels ever truly being removed. If the Vehicle AI malfunctions for whatever reason there needs to be a way to manually
boobcat
Do you still have dial for your radio?? no because it's gone full digital. same thing.
AnApologeticCanadian
Yea and maybe I just like driving. I think its kinda fun, removing it would be so lame.
boobcat
Once they are all autonomous, cars won't break down, ever. It will need an asteroid impact or earthquake to "break" them
valen00
When the vehicle malfunctions its backup system will pull it over, call for a tow truck, a replacement car and play a you a merry tune
mormacil
Backup breaking AI. You don't have extra wheels or brakes either. If those break you're still boned today.
CallMeAncalagonTheBlack
Here's a source for why you're wrong https://www.recode.net/2017/9/4/16250252/chris-urmson-aurora-self-driving-car-autonomous-vehicle-human-
kogamikirito
I dont see what your seeing?
CallMeAncalagonTheBlack
The idea is that making a human, or manual, failsafe is a bad idea
kogamikirito
Unless the car gets hacked?
ThePlainDoll
Operate the machine whether it's to so much as pull over.
Wobbixx
I don't see horses being removed from the carriage, why, what happens in one of these horseless carriages when the driver falls asleep?
ChickenFingersYT
Apple's and oranges. You think no one fell asleep operating a horse driven carriage and crashed?
Wobbixx
Have you ever driven a carriage or ridden a horse? I've done both. The horse doesn't stupidly follow instructions to the point of running ->
Wobbixx
into a tree when the driver or rider falls asleep.If it senses that harm may come by following the reins, the horse will ignore instruction.
IAmAHollow
Mm, and how about having the car take over when the driver malfunctions? The difference is that human drivers fuck up orders of magnitude 1
IAmAHollow
more often. I'd rather trust a machine tyvm. 2
getmo
You should be worried. What happens when the fear of self-driving cars is slowly replaced with fear of human drivers? It could happen.
CallMeAncalagonTheBlack
Dude, it's actually way more dangerous for an AI car to have a 'insert human' control. Let me find a source, but human distraction and 1/2
getmo
All heavy machinery normally has an Emergency Off or big red "EMO" button. With a wheeled killing machine, I can't imagine any different.
CallMeAncalagonTheBlack
Response time make is horrible failsafes
The701
Worse still if the human taking control is someone who only has to take the wheel once every 2-3 years. That also assumes that you're even
The701
paying attention, and why would you be, if the car's doing all the work? It's why I don't like those lane-assist cars that only keep the car
The701
in the lane, but which call for help when needed. If you're not paying attention, which you're prone to do if it looks like the car is
comacomacomacomachameleon
In the near future, we will see incredible unrest and violence as the majority of the workforce is automated.
SilentMajority420
We just need to stop having kids.
ThirstyCalifornian
Oh hey, I’m doing my masters thesis on this :)
bobziIIa
Just like when machines were invented
databasedatabase
soooo truuuuuueee
HandsomeSwede
*source needed*
TripUpStairs
I think lack of drinking water and food will be more of a factor than automation of jobs.
PersonalityFire
And massive displacement as rising oceans and extreme weather create unprecedented refugee situations.
Bob570
This topic creates so much anxiety for me.
Daeyelle
We just need to make sure that all basic living is covered for free before it hapoens
IAmAHollow
Let's shun progress because we'll have hard problems to solve.
killernerd
we've never been able to stop the development of a technology. The entire "if we don't someone else will". So even if we wanted to we can't
MrRandom314159
Unless we switch economic systems.
Hardalor
Work with some anti-UBI people. They even doubt basic call center jobs will be replaced by AI within 10, or even 5, years.
valen00
That might not, but there will be dramatically less of them. Ask them the last time they spoke to a bank teller, and how it was 20 years ago
Hardalor
Well, a fair portion of residential customers for the ISP I work for have the issue resolved by the automated system, so yeah...
valen00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXtIivRRKQ ?
Hardalor
PRETTY MUCH what the system does. I love it!
roneyBugPrince
They've been saying that since ford started production on his model T...things have accelerated quite a bit since but we will evolve & adapt
HelloMax
100 years ago farmers said that about the advancements that were being made. People will always have jobs. We don't know what, but they will
IRBafoon
And far as we will be completely dependent upon robots to move for us.
rainawareness
Why would that mean an increase in violence?
DangerZone24252
A large amount of poor people that keep getting poorer don't usually sit around and do nothing. They want more things, as do all people.
shreddedking
universal income. besides AI workforce means new jobs in relevant fields. coal workers moved to oil workers. oil workers move to solar 1/
mormacil
Not true for the past two decades. Jobloss has outpaced new job creation. While new jobs will be created they will be fewer.
RemainsspacebarUnknown
they are already talking now that universal income needs to be brought up. its already begun to be an issue.
FurtiveGlancer
UI is a crock from the robber barons to quell the sheep - it's a fucking unsustainable model
christopherwalkenslegs
Prove it
TopNotchQualityCoding
The ratio wont be 1:1, don't kid yourself.
Rexli78
We can't even get universal income with out the American right screaming communism you think they would give universal income a pass?
EccentricNimoy
THAT will never happen with the current us political overlords. Our "elite" would rather see us all murder each other in the streets first.
WellBehavedZombie
That's what might actually happen, a civil war with one side wanting forced work when it's no longer required.
WellBehavedZombie
Capitalism starts to break down when work isn't available.
Rexli78
Capitalism is inherently self destructive in that regard, well at least Laziuse fair capitalism
shreddedking
workers. so on and so forth
SoftcoreFavorites
Train/Bus Drivers move to mechanics. Pilots move to striking as a career.
kuba913
True... There will be new jobs but not enough
SoftcoreFavorites
Not nearly enough. That's what people don't get about the positivity of an aging population and low fertility rates.
shreddedking
that's inevitable. some jobs will not be the same but that's just how progress works. we didn't do away with electric heaters just cause 1/
shreddedking
chimney sweepers would be out of jobs.
mormacil
True, and fridges put ice cutters out of business. But for the first time these past decades removed more jobs then they created.
vanella
There will always be work, just not 12 hour workdays, and the jobs will be more interesting. No need for burger-flippers or cashiers
mormacil
In the past two decades automation has taken more jobs then it created. There is no evidence this will chance, quite the opposite.
naikou
Possible, but it’s a bad idea to think linearly with economics. In the 70’s, experts were convinced overpopulation would destroy the world.
mormacil
You mean China's environment isn't going to shit? Projection is always linear as we can't see the future. All we got is past data.
naikou
All I’m saying is that linear projections are weak predictors of macro economics. Even if it’s “all we got”, it’s still probably wrong.
naikou
Also China’s environmental issues are a far cry from what was predicted (mass starvation, forced government sterilization, eugenics).