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Aug 3, 2022 2:13 PM
TheRealGritty
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BoogiesOogie
Imagine what Turing and other brilliant people could have done for society, if society wasn’t run by a bunch of penis canons
Giraffehalf
They were just getting over hating the left handed and needed another regularly occurring minority.
ICannotSanctionURBuffoonery
Because religion is the ultimate excuse, and justifier, for bigoted pieces of shit. Get rid of the religion. Strip their excuse away.
ThighHighsSaveLives
And they destroyed a hero
TexMexHex
Very sad story. People are just all around awful.
AdamGenesis
Chemical castration sounds really bad.
originalhuman
Men may abhor the idea of being penetrated during sex because that’s “submission” and be insecure enough to think it affects them. Women…IDK
FlyingTigerRose
I understood that title reference.
whelibab
Wasn't he gay not queer ?
mufflap
“Whatever, dude. You kissed a guy”
tyrunn
Pretty much every pull request I submit at work too
PicassoCT
He is Turing complete, null problemo
T3NM1DG3TS
Fuck, I posted this two days ago and it got removed by the mods within minutes
Howfuckinhardisittogetausername
We treated Alan Turing appalling, imagine if we had treated Einstein in the same manner.
expfarrer
ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
Or, a better way to state this would be "At the very moment that WWII was over . . . ".
THESHADOWOFJECT
remember while you may not be able to change the world you can change the world around the people close to you. LGBT people are still ->
THESHADOWOFJECT
facing challenges to out right discrimination. take a moment to be kind to people. vote to protect their rights. most of all speak up.
TheSecondPiewackit
Signals Intelligence school taught me to hate Alan Turing and Adolf Hitler for the exact same reason.
TheSecondPiewackit
"Jesus CHRIST decoding messages is fucking BULLSHIT."
Northwindlowlander
Turning's statue in Manchester is absolute perfection. I didn't know it was there, was just walking along and found it. Ended up sat down
Northwindlowlander
beside him on his bench looking at the apple and having a bit of a cry. A random old rasta boy came over to see if I was alright- apparently
Northwindlowlander
it happens all the time
BarryTheCyborg
Anyone know the original context for the picture?
AgainstMethod
It looks like Kamala Harris, who probably did not say anything like that.
M4UsedRollout
At least not for the past 20 years. She's been pretty progressive on LGBQ+ since at least 2004. Has some trans issues though.
djangojazz
Same goes for all bigotry. A 'lady', 'minority', 'poor person', 'different religion' did this?! Yeah a human can have a brain for things.
spattr
He invented the thinking machine. Then he invented coding the machine.
NoFoxLeft2Give
First he spent his life giving it a soul; then a voice. The real "Turing test" is whether or not a machine develops spiritual awareness.
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
The second WWII? There were two World War IIs? I honestly did not know that.
TankingFever
Yeah. The one where Hitler died in the skies over Dover in 1965.
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
I'm surprise I forgot about that.
dannne
First WWII was when Hitler won and the second WWII was when we won. There's a documentary called wolfenstein, I can recommend it!
seyne
And don't forget, the allies left many queer folks in the concentration camps to finish out their sentences
kredios
when and where did this happen?
lljkstonefish
From context, I'd say in the concentration camps, and 1945?
seyne
This covers a lot of the issues queer holocaust victims faced, including being forced to continue carrying out their sentences after the war
seyne
https://time.com/5953047/lgbtq-holocaust-stories/
kredios
thanks, i appreciate this. i was struggling with googling keywords.
capnadorable
The Imitation Game was such a good movie, very sad
demosteness
It’s a coward film that dedicates only 5 minutes to what the British did to that poor man.
SherMattLockSmith
I hate that they shoehorned in a romantic relationship between him and his best friends, IRL it was purely platonic.
GTimgur
It... was pretty silly and painfully corny and very misrepresentative. I feel like it even glossed over how fucked over Turing was.
demosteness
Absolutely
tyrunn
It was shockingly inaccurate to almost U571 levels lol
irmonkey
So slightly more inaccurate than The Core?
ravenousj
Breaking the Code I liked better. Movie probably hard to find tho.
theresamooselooseabootthishoose
I really hated that film. They strayed a very long way from what happened, and the real story is fascinating
LetumComplexo
It’s not *that* bad in comparison to a lot of historical dramas. But yeah it’s definitely a movie not a documentary.
Flibittyflobitty
Go ooonnnnnnnnn
Rrrrgrr
Alan Turing was a top class distance runner who loved people and puzzles. They played him as a Classic Sherlock aspergers.
theresamooselooseabootthishoose
Here you go https://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/based-on-a-true-true-story/
theresamooselooseabootthishoose
Many others have made the point for me. I'd suggest the Turing book by Jack Copeland & Enigma by Sebag-Montefiore
PrivateDuds
I'm not sure what this comment is referring to but I heard a historian say he loved Turing and hated that movie because it diminished all
PrivateDuds
the dozens other codebreakers who also did a mammoth's share of work and w/o them it wouldn't work out as it did and they're to be forgotten
theresamooselooseabootthishoose
This. Additionally the film shows them having a high awareness of all the info, when actually a lot of them were much more in the dark
frischcode
No. No. He decoded it. The Germans encoded it.
TheYoungerChrisEvans
You're telling me there were no gay nazis? Have you SEEN how fly their uniforms were? Plus Captain K from Jojo Rabbit.
DigiT00l
Technically a machine they stole from a Dutch engineer did
Easykehl
He coded the decoder that decoded the codes made by the enemy’s encoder.
mcberg1337
His coded decoder decoded the encoded codes made by the enemy's coded encoder.
cosonfused
but he did code the decoder
CE0485
You don’t know if that nazi was gay or not…..
executor2
He coded the machine that was decoding the Enigma msg.The key was the last words cause germans always ended with hail hitler
PwnageHobo
He coded plenty of other stuff
frischcode
He was British. So probably with a nod and a wink. But I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
noid20
NCPBullet
Say no more
Hypothesist
There was tea
NotUSAmerican
He "coded" the algorithm for the decoder.
sorryforsayingthat
frischcode
He did math. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers
doesntmatter
He did the monster math
MakeCorruptionIllegalAgain
We aren't talking about Alan Turing?
zubax
Alan never tured. He coded.
frischcode
Alan Turing didn't work alone. Others' did the practical engineering work that Turing conceptualized. Not to trivialize his contributions.
parkerh17
Uh yeah he didn't work alone but the post and the comments are talking abt Turing. You know, bc he's the one the govt fucked over for >
GyprockGypsy
Yes, by writing some of the first machine code and essentially inventing the modern CPU based computer.
frischcode
Turing and Church did a lot of fundamental math it's true, but they weren't Von Neumann or Grace Hopper. I know my history.
GyprockGypsy
You do know what a Turing machine is right? ITS THE FIRST CPU.
frischcode
Theoretical CPU. With an infinite paper tape. Babbage and Lovelace deserve credit too. Von Neumann "invented" the modern CPU.
GyprockGypsy
I mean, absolutely they deserve credit too. But it's like saying the Write Brothers invented the airplane. They didn't. They just prototyped
GyprockGypsy
The first one. Galileo invented the flying machine.
iggylights
History will remember how Alan Turing was so completely wronged.
timeforbeer
Leaned about Turing in a math history class in 2007, how he was wronged was covered just as much as his accomplishments.
Ajdamus
wronged? Thats is putting midly
Varenvel
Sadly he was not first , and was not last , what happened to him still happens in some 3rd world countries , like United States.
GTimgur
It doesn't happen in the United States you wacko.
Varenvel
RadonGaming
He is the founding father of Computer Science. He is forever immortalised in our teachings. What we did to him is one of our worst moments.
sortofkindamadbutnotreally
Its hard to overstate how brilliant the guy was. He was like Tesla but for Computers. Could have achieved so much more but got kneecapped.
anSSLerrorhasoccuredandasecureconnectiontotheservercannotbemade
Anyone can have breakfast, lunch or dinner with Alan: https://g.co/kgs/pazJ51
derekjohn
And, of course, how much better he would have been treated had he lived in any other country [irony].
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
Fun Fact, for pride month this year Old School Runescape added 4 NPCs for a fun quest. All referencing famous and influential LGBT 1/2
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
Activists including Alan turing. https://twitter.com/OSRS_Wiki/status/1540320838314074115?t=9XXgH5pzoApDXy1cwWVrCw&s=19 2/2
TheRealGritty
Man I've always loved Runescape, this is actually really cool
DVSBSTrD
And I'm sure that made the pain of his chemical castration worth it.
Username62611
What they called chemical castration was actually hormones. Oestrogen. It wasn't painful, at least not physically. (Still not ok!)
Ajdamus
I think he meant psychological..and also body changes thx to castration..
Username62611
Possibly. I think when people hear chemical castration it brings to mind like burning parts off with acid, so I just wanted to clarify.
Ajdamus
Castration, suicide..opression..like jesus ffs
spattr
It already has. His face is on UK currency along with Jane Austen & William Shakespeare. It doesn't get more honored than that.
Ajdamus
I think he is very happy after he was castrate it and driven to suicide that he is on focking coin
Eli93
That's hardly any fucking consolation. I'd rather the UK government instead treat LGBTQ people better in his name.
crashmat
On the £50 note, the note rarely seen unless you're a used car dealer or drug dealer.
whitewater0034
I don't take £50s for drugs, everyone knows they are mostly fakes!
TheRealGritty
I know hes not American, but if it weren't for the internet, I would have no idea who he was
Illendor
Yeah, I'm sure he's happy about that having taken his own life after going through chemical castration for being gay..
LoopStricken
Technically he's neither happy or sad about anything any more.
PectorialMuscles
I'm 14 and this is deep.
MagnorCriol
We weren't talking about making him feel better. We can't fix the mistakes we made. We were talking about if he's properly honored *now*.
Themanwithathousanddongs
You're right, they either should go back in time to stop it, or shoot every descendant of the people who did it, that will teach them
chesirecats
Are you being intentionally dense? We cannot change the past, but we can remember how history wronged him. I.e. see above.
jet100a
I heard that he didn't actually take his own life but died due to accident from the drugs they gave him making him less coordinated or somet
jet100a
Something like that. If I remember correctly it's more murder than suicide. They killed him.
jet100a
If I'm remembering correctly ?. I could be wrong. Either way they are responsible for what happened.
fformulaa
And all the people that tormented, abused them, all got away with such brutal acts because they were "just doing our jobs". Disgusting gov
IamfunatpartiesIknow
Not so fun fact: the government didn't want to give him a pardon after death, so the queen did it herself
EaNasirIsABastard
Which I think was worse, he was only pardoned because he was on a project, she should have pardoned all homosexuals regardless of their work
EaNasirIsABastard
I don't really know why people think he killed himself. He was handling cyanide as part of a hobby.
ExTechOp
Biographer Andrew Hodges theorised that Turing […] deliberately allowed his mother plausible deniability with regard to any suicide claims.
2graves
Most likely, but we'll never know for certain
ExTechOp
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Death
AxolotlInATopHat
My half-asleep ass processed this as Alan Tudyk & was like I miss Wash too, but it is that relevant? I think it's time for coffee *facepalm*
xizar
Only one of those two went to Julliard.
AxolotlInATopHat
(I do know who Alan Turing is, I was just watching Firefly last night and am not quite awake)
VenomSnek
Firefly! <3 Also thanks to Imgur I watched Tucker and Dale vs Evil. Had missed it before, really enjoyable.
Shaodyn
Alan Turing basically created the field of computer science. And he was tortured to the point where he chose suicide.
SwiftRapier
Ahh so that's where Agile came from.
NoFoxLeft2Give
That's what an intelligence operation on one person looks like. Or used to. Now it's an apple-corer dropping on a dude at 1000 mph. Smart.
T3NM1DG3TS
Well, two of them at once in the most recent example
Shaodyn
All because he was gay. What a way to thank the man who almost single-handedly made the modern world possible.
T3NM1DG3TS
And saved millions of lives by shaving years off the war
Shaodyn
Yep. But since he's gay, we basically drove him into an early grave.
DigiT00l
Didn't Ada Lovelace do that?
kittypantsmcgee
But her contributions were almost lost to history. It was actually Alan Turing who rediscovered her notes and popularized them
grimbor
And Babbage
AntaNce
They murdered Turing. That was a murder.
Shaodyn
You're right. Just because they didn't give him the poison doesn't mean they're not the reason he's dead.
AntaNce
However, they DID give him poison, they forced him to take it. The poison killed him, along with the Govt. It was a murder.
Shaodyn
I forgot that part. If he hadn't been gay, he'd have been hailed as the hero he was. Instead, they killed him.
Shaodyn
"Thanks for almost single-handedly saving us from untold years of war! Now take this poison so you don't spread your gay!"
MrLogical2
Wasn’t it pointed out that his suicide also could have been accidental? He kept potassium cyanide in his spare room for experiments and/
MrLogical2
Some claim that his autopsy reports are actually more familiar with inhalation than ingestion of cyanide. I’m not saying he wasn’t wronged/
MrLogical2
Just that he may not have killed himself, especially since many people close to him say it seemed out of character.
Shaodyn
That doesn't change the fact that he was basically tortured by his own government. Including chemical castration.
Shaodyn
For no reason other than his sexual orientation.
RowanUnderwood
Turing is my absolute favorite dude of all time. No Turing = No PC.
Arcian
If not for Turing, someone else would've thought of it eventually.
SwiftyWeasel
Well, yeah but actually .... no.
zbobet2012
I love Turing, but no this isn't true. The closest any one person could make that claim for would actually be Von Neumann.
RowanUnderwood
Ok I'll give you that. But he didn't actually get the governments to actually build computers. THAT was Turing :)
japh
While Turing was significant in the field, there were earlier computers, such as the Dreyer Fire Control Table, the Tide Predicting Machine,
japh
the Polish Bomba, and the German Z1. The Z3 was built around the same time and had some similar capabilities.
japh
Various navies were actively pushing the field forward to develop better fire control and tide prediction systems.
MorgulTheFriendlyDrelb
& Boole & lots of others. There is never any one single person behind any great invention.
FlavorFinger
Have you ever read the book Cryptonomicon? Great historical fiction involving Turing.
PrastaryOrk
kkanne20
it's on my bookshelf waiting to be read!
RowanUnderwood
I am totally in love with Cryptonomicon also :P also "Alan Turing: The Enigma" Andrew Hodges :D
GyprockGypsy
Same could be said about Tesla. No Tesla, no Wifi.
youreathing
You mean Hedy Lamarr.
GyprockGypsy
Fucking what? She invented a radio guidance system using wireless technology INVENTED by Tesla. Read a book. Even wikipedia ffs.
youreathing
Alright, you can calm down. I got the order wrong.
GyprockGypsy
Sorry. I've had 4 people comment seriously stupid shit that could have been googled in less time then they typed it.
BabySharkEtc
And no over hyped electric cars.
EaNasirIsABastard
Tesla didn't invent wireless communication.
GyprockGypsy
You're a fucking idiot. Go read a book.
EaNasirIsABastard
Did you know Tesla invented the book?
Nuggzs
Bro, Tesla invented the internet
MagnorCriol
So Al Gore just took credit for Tesla's work? That cad!
EaNasirIsABastard
Tesla invented the horse and cart.
ViceCitySoundtrack
Afaik Tesla was mostly into death rays and coils.
youreathing
He was a genius but he really didn't. He relied on foundational work done by others, and extended it.
Nuggzs
Oh okay, I was just trying this new-aged thing called uhhh... jokes... joking around. We're just having fun here! Mandatory fun for all!