Really would be nice if all the businesses out there just straight up refused anyone MAGA. Take their picture, tell them to get out of the restaurant, go about your day. There's absolutely no reason we should be accepting Nazis.
I'm not watching this whole video but does she mean there's no "white ppl" bc they're a bunch of ethnic groups, or is she saying that things like the protestant work ethic, the most common languages of the USA, Italian and Irish food, bourbon, etc aren't things white ppl invented?
She's saying Republicans are bad people because they stereotype others, and you can tell they're Republicans because they're fat, stupid, badly dressed and less educated than she is.
I mean I get what she’s saying; however, I could have done without the African-Americans and sports reference. How about traffic light, gas mask, automatic elevator doors, and the Super Soaker, sweet potatoes and peanut butter. Same for Mexican Americans - more than just food.
Gods I hate this. Doesn't make any sense when the racist say it either. White isn't a fucking culture. A lack of melanin doesn't give you anything but higher chance of skin cancer and sun burns. People can't agree on what is and isn't white because it's arbitrary. Culture is based on the community around you. You pick up culture. This video is just another form of racism. Ugh.
I mean it does give you something, you need (a lot)less sun to produce sufficient enoug vitamin D. thats why the more north you go the whiter the general population gets as in those areas the sun is weaker and you cant get enough sunlight with a lot of melanin in your skin
As far as i am aware if a person with a lot of melanin lives in a scandinavian country it is very likely the are vitamin D deficient, even in the usa most of them are deficient and the usa is a lot closer to the equator.
Agreed, maybe the white Americans have no culture beyond their yoghurt, but elsewhere in the world like Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, there's a lot of culture and traditions to be enjoyed with the locals who are white.
Ethnic cleansing. It's called ethnic cleansing. White people themselves are also the victims of this. Scots, Germans, Italians forced to give up their culture to assimilate into White Anglo-Saxon Protestant idealism that has watered down itself because of the idea of racial purity.
She sounds ignorant saying there's no white culture but there is Mexican culture. They're the same kind of country: multicultural mix of colonizing Europeans, indigenous people, and descendants of African slaves mixing together and speaking predominantly a European language. Same goes for Canada.
For a lot of white people, you actually have to give up your culture to be accepted into whiteness. “Whiteness” is a homogenizing and part of the process of deculturation. It shits on Irish, Slavic, Italian, etc., cultural practices in the USA and entices people away from second class citizenship in exchange for a stripping of culture.
On the other hand, you get a lot of Americans who cosplay as "Irish" (maybe other nationalities too, but this is most common example) just because one or two of their ancestors came from Ireland a fair number of generations ago and they have no particular cultural attachment to Ireland beyond trite clichés like drinking Guinness on "Patty's Day."
To be clear, this is me advocating for others’ cultures. I myself am Afro Caribbean and not white.
Just need to point out that despite me enjoying her bashing white supremacists, she should also be accountable for her contribution of homogenization in her rhetoric.
Too accurate, fourth, third, and even second generation European immigrant families had often already lost their Mother tongues as a part of integrating into the local White English communities. German, Italian, Polish, Irish, Swedish, Hungarian, you name it, and this doesn't even include very small ethnic minorities from those countries. As a matter of fact, I think that the Amish are the only ones who really held firm to heritage in a way that others regret not having done odd dialect and all.
There’s definitely cool things white people have given the world. Mozart. Wilde. Escargot. Wright.
But she’s absolutely correct that the white supremacists have systematically overlooked the contributions of others while simultaneously unjustly amplifying their own. And I, for one, would definitely enjoy watching MAGA types trying to live in a “white contributions only” culture bubble.
The title on the video does not match what she is saying. It is false to say that "white culture = no culture". Whites as a group of people have had plenty of cultural developments and influences on the world, just like any other large group of people. White = no culture is unintentionally but inherently racist because it leads to viewing whites as the default or standard of humanity.
You're thinking of English, or Scottish, or Irish, or Welsh, or German, or French or Russian, or Norse, or Spanish or Italian if you're feeling spicy. There is no "White" Culture. White is not a culture or people. White is a perceived superiority over not white people.
What the woman is complaining about is supremacists that go on about being 'white exclusive' which is basically impossible, because cultural influences spread and are shared and built upon by people.
She is making two separate claims. One that is true, and one that is wildly racist. And then she is trying to bundle them up so you think both are true.
Yeah the general aggressive body shaming was painful. Even if you aim it at others, you’re still hurting the people you care about who share or feel like they share any physical qualities of the people you are attacking. (Thanks dad for giving me body dysmorphia because you were always loudly judging others.)
She makes a lot of assumptin. Why is everyone working in a mexican restaurangrt an immigrant who has english as a second language? There are millions of US citzens with a latino background who were born in thr USA, learned english as their mother language and never imigrated.
There is no such thing as WHITE culture. There's British culture, Irish culture, Spanish culture, Polish culture, Bavarian culture, etc., but there is no "white culture." Whiteness is founded on one thing: the exclusion of minorities. It's not fertile ground for anything but hate.
By the same token there isn't black culture, there isn't any asian culture, etc. You can subdivide anything to the point where it all becomes meaningless, and you're doing so to reach a particular conclusion you desired up front.
Yeah, there's no one Asian culture, there's a bunch of different cultures from Asia. Black culture, however, is a different story. In America, divorced from their heritage and history and forced together by their one unifying characteristic (skin color) black people DID create a culture.
Is the culture of European Americans (if we're going to avoid saying "white") nothing more than an amalgamation of European cultures, preserves in aspic in 1850 or whenever each group started coming over, though?
I'm saying there is no such thing as "white culture" because there are no unifying cultural practices or attitudes that bring all white people together. The only commonality is skin color, a genetic (not cultural) characteristic. Europe has a lot of cultures. Flattening them all together as "white culture" ignores what sets them apart, makes them unique.
Could you not say the same thing about black culture, though? Are there "unifying cultural practices" that all, or nearly all, black Americans engage in?
Nah, black American culture actually has a common origin point in the slave era. As I said elsewhere, they were taken from their African history and culture and crammed together without regard for their previous associations. That culture was born from their exclusion from whiteness, in both pre- and post-civil war America.
OK, but I'm talking about the USA as it exists today, in 2025. "There is no unifying white (American) culture because John Cage, Metallica and Taylor Swift are all very different" ignores the fact that Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix and Wu-Tang Clan are all very different, too.
It’s refreshing to hear someone else go to this lengths to isolate MAGA assholes. I’m with her, it’s a cult for losers and they deserve to be sequestered in their own little bubble of blandness and inadequacy.
Im happy to have as many cultures as want to be here but she's wrong about white people. Much of Mexican culture is Spanish, much of Brazilian culture is Portuguese, true "black culture" is seen only in groups like the Zulu and Bantu who managed to more or less keep their traditions everything else is black with white influence even Caribbean faiths like the rastafari they adopted figures from Christianity.
The point is whiteness as a concept is fake, it's so fluid. The palest people ever, the Irish, were not considered white, now they are. Italians regardless of light or dark were weren't white, now they are. Iranians are sometimes considered white, depends on who. Are erhnically Jewish people white? Depends on who you ask. Are Black people with albinism white?
Theres no unified white culture, it's made up bullshit to create an exclusive opressive class.
I would define white culture as being native to Northern europe, Germanic, Gallic, Celtic, Norse and Slavic. Similarly I would say black culture is split into three groups in its non colonised state; east African, West african and central african. There are running themes through all three as there are with the ethnic white cultures. Then things like white american culture and black american culture are derivatives.
See, Imgur doesn't actually care about white people like they say they do. The lady in the video is complaining about people who voted Trump and wants to use the most degrading language possible - as if only white, frail, obese people did that. Imgur, in turn, wants to pretend that she's talking about white supremacists, which gives them the excuse to treat all Trump voters like white supremacists.
In short, Imgurians hate, and I do mean hate, anyone not exactly like them.
The "white culture" she refers to is the American White Culture, the one that every hillbilly, pedophile, and cousin fucker in the south seems to believe exists.
Look. Get your point...but it's horrendously snobby. I, for instance, have culture coming out my arse. Also, she's treating culture as some monolithic 'thing'. Diversity should be celebrated no matter what
As I said below... Your culture likely does not come from being white American. Because the only thing binding white Americans together is their skin colour and anything they could keep away from everyone else.
Yeah, definitely wasn't a fan of "And of course, all the waiters there, English is their second language" uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh are we fighting racism by becoming racists now?
I don't think that's racist, is it? If they're immigrants (certainly first-gen and possibly second-gen too) from Mexico or somewhere further south then it's presumably just true.
Her comments aren't so much racist as outrageously classist.
I mean, does she know those people? It seems like a huge generalization to go "Oh, Mexican restaurant, of COURSE the whole staff speaks English second if at all!" It's a gross simplification and I don't like the idea of normalizing hitting other out-groups with strays while we're criticizing the fascists.
It's like starting your argument with "So I was at a Chinese buffet, and of course all of the employees there speak English as a second language..."
Well give the demographic she's talking about it, it's not an unreasonable generalisation, and it's probably borne out by personal experience if most people she encounters working in such places speak English with a noticeable accent or make errors that a native Anglophone probably wouldn't make.
It's certainly not the thing that jumped out at me as offensive or bigoted here, anyway.
I was probably primed to find something about her not to like because of the shitty tone she starts with right off the bat, but "everyone who works at a mexican restaurant doesn't speak English natively" is a MASSIVE generalization to be making, and it's racist as fuck to make that generalization - how is stereotyping something like "All of these people speak English as a second language" not making a judgment based solely on their perceived race?
Yup, and its horrendously racist from the very title too, making it less likely anyone will pay attention to it in a useful way. Imagine if we take the same headline and swap a word. "BLACK CULTURE = NO CULTURE". People would be having meltdowns about it, and rightfully so.
Oh shut up. the whole point of the racist system is to venerate white people above everyone else. Complaining any time someone stereotypes white people distracts from that fact.
Also, you don't sound like you're from the US. (Conservative) Americans are a special case because they/we (I am American and British) have spent decades aggressively homogenising. I grew up there and there really isn't any sense of white American culture. Not that there should be, particularly.
"Calling out less severe bigotry distracts from the more severe bigotry."
No. ALL bigotry should be called out and ended, against any group.
It's just wild to me that people like you exist and can think this in your head. The absolute mental gymnastics to justify and defend racism is disgusting. It's literally the easiest thing to get right: all racism is bad, mmkay?
At least you don't vote Republican I guess, but that's about it.
Yeah we already knew that you understood nothing about bigotry; you didn't have to continue proving it. It's this kind of thing. https://www.vox.com/2015/9/4/9258133/all-lives-matter-cartoon A few less than charitable comments about white people has absolutely nothing in common with the deep systemic shit that other people in the US experience. And yeah it does distract from the actual issues when people talk about them that way. If only that was all racism was.
"All lives matter" responses mean "we don't need to care about the suffering of POC because all lives matter, we should care about everyone". This is done to minimize legitimate grievances raised by such groups, such as the BLM protests against police brutality.
That isn't at all what I'm doing. I recognize the racism that POC face, and that its worse than what white people face. My point is that racism against white people is also wrong, not that we 1/?
Just swapping a word doesn't mean it's like the same thing. "Reverse Racism" isn't a thing because Black people don't have the institutional power that white people wield over them. It doesn't matter how prejudiced Black people are towards whites - not only is that prejudice actually justified, it literally doesn't matter.
You are an actual racist. The majority do not define racism with "institutional power". Here is the dictionary definition for your reference, courtesy of Oxford Languages.
All prejudice and discrimination based on race is racism. It does not depend on the race being affected.
Ah right, that's why it's reflected in the literal dictionary 😂
You understand words can mean multiple things and have multiple definitions, right?
If for decades and decades everyone uses "racism" to mean xyz, you think that if sociologists decide racism means abc instead, you think that updated definition is psychically transmitted to everyone's brain, and when they say racism actually they mean abc?
Like, you understand definitions are the COMMON understanding of the word right? Thats the purpose of language. You think if 0.001% of a population defines a word differently to everyone else, that changes the definition of the word?
Maybe you should have taken a linguistics class lmao.
Absolutely agree. You want to be pure? You want to be white? Ok fine. No exotic foods, no spices, nothing. Just go back to 1400's England-style living (you know, the shit your forefathers tried to escape because it was such a hellhole). Let's be real. What is 'white culture'? All I cant think of is centuries of killing, murdering and war.
There were a shit ton of spices used in 1400's England despite the high cost at the time. The bland food meme came about from rationing during WWII until 1954, spread by GIs stationed in the UK.
Which is a weird cutoff. Like okay no peppers for Indian curries or schezuan dishes, no African dishes with peanuts, etcetc. I mean, I get it, multiculturalism is awesome but its bizarre to pretend there were no cultural contributions by northwestern Europeans for the past 500 years.
>What is 'white culture'? All I cant think of is centuries of killing, murdering and war.
Which suggests that you're either woefully uneducated about western culture, racist as fuck or both, since western countries are particularly exceptional neither in the volume of killing and war they produce, nor in the number and quality of their cultural works.
Basically shorthand for european, especially western european. There are tons of things that were created by those peoples. Think about stuff like cheesemaking, breadmaking, beermaking, chromatic scale music, heraldry, etc. Tons more. Also, if you think killing, murdering, war and generally being violent assholes is somehow exclusive to whites/europeans, you clearly need to read up on your world history, as every culture engages in that fairly regularly since before recorded history.
The first sure, the egyptians brewed beer, but it wasn't just one and done. Just like genres of music, over time there have developed tons of unique styles characteristic of their originating societies and incorporating ingredients and techniques unique to those regions, that didn't exist then, such as lagers. Same with breads, there are shitloads of styles of breads that didn't exist in Egypt.
Precisely. White people were still doing the waltz up until the 1800s while they had their slaves playing the violin for them. When the slaves had free time they would fiddle with the violins and make fast paced rhythms that we now call blue grass today. African Americans even created the banjo. But white people swear they invented country music and loose their shit at Beyonce and other artists for tapping into their roots. (cowboys, hockey, rock n roll etc) They've always been culture vultures.
White people have not invented any CULTURE at all. Sure we can be good scientists. Maths, chemistry, physics. But thats science, not culture. White culture is: do not change anything. Leave everything as it is. The status quo needs to be preserved. Everything needs to be as bland and boring as possible. I loooove mixing with other cultures and I'm an introvert! I love to see all the colors, the dishes, the spices, the foods, the acceptance, the openness of other cultures. The willing to change.
I don't see that this sort of kneejerk bullshit anti-white racism is actually helpful. Of course white people created culture, just like any other large group of people. Dismissing the works of Van Gogh, Michelangelo, Rembrant and Monet, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven and Holst, Scorsese, Hitchcock, Kubrick and Spielberg amongst myriad others is just as stupid and racist as dismissing all non-white culture. Be better.
Meh I just want MAGA supremacists to have to dig in the rock filled dirt with their own hands to plant some potatoes which they then have to eat with just a bit of salt on it. I want them to realize 'pure white culture' is absolute horror. They wouldn't last a day if they had to do away with everything non-white. Including the clothes they are wearing.
Oh, no, no - potatoes are native American and only imported to Europe after Columbus's little horrorshow of errors. They'd have to make do with _turnips._ *shudder*
That long ago, "white" as a race didn't even exist. IIRC, the concept came into being in the early 17th century (probably as a way of justifying the exploitation of African slaves).
More or less - throughout the Middle Ages and most of the way through the Renaissance the xenophobia du jour was overtly about religion. Which, BTW, is why originally the Irish didn't count as "white"...
I would think ethnolinguistic barriers were bigger among the common folk. Religion was just a convenient excuse by the higher ups to whack some other dudes.
In some ways, yes (and _absolutely_ it's always been and still is just an excuse!) but ethnicity in the modern sense wasn't really even a concept, no period source seems overly hung up on anybody's skin color past the initial novelty value, and most common folk never traveled far enough to encounter any linguistic barriers.
It's not that people were more woke, though! They just prioritized different prejudices. Life has always been shit for anyone different in any stigmatized way.
I agree with what she's saying about MAGA. I just don't understand why people say white people have no culture. Leprechauns, wine, mead, German pastries, fairy tales, the Fae in general, eldritch horror, Arturian mythology, gothic horror like Edgar Allen Poe, folk music like Bob Dylan, Dungeons and Dragons is mostly based on European mythologies, and so on and on. I'm not disagreeing with her stance, I just don't understand this idea that white people don't have culture.
Because those are almost all foreign. Seriously go back to slave owning years and you'll see whites prejudice against the Irish, or the Italians. Its all just othering. If they can't other you for skin colour, they'll find something to other you. Hair colour or style, or where you went to school, or parents marital status, or even "Eew, you like The Monkees"
Okay, so, she's picking up on a thread that was had a few years ago, namely the capitalization of Black and the lowercase of "white" culture. Yes there are things that derive from "white culture" but "white culture" isn't a culture - it's a mixmash of many different cultures which don't really have that much to do with one another; Whereas Black culture is a role defined by historic injustices such as the slave trade and redlining - an emergent culture defined by oppression.
Maybe this is coincidence, but your list does seem to be skewed heavily towards just the sort of folkish Nordic-Celtic aspects of culture that white supremacists fetishize.
How about, I dunno, Homer, Cervantes, Shakespeare, gothic, baroque and classical architecture, Beethoven, the Beatles, Kraftverk, pizza, wine, Scotch whisky, football?
I think that's more of an American problem, cultures have been erased in favour of unapologetic greed. Guns and money is the culture, anything else is just weirdo European stuff that they don't want anything to do with.
So, none of those are "White" culture. Those are Irish, Scottish, German, English, Russian. None of those are "White" in the modern sense, though "White" DOES try to co-opt them on the basis of skin color. White is Caucasian above all. It is the dark (lol) side of multiculturalism, the homogeneity that emerges when Caucasian becomes culture. Note that "Black" culture emerged because African culture was forcibly stripped from Africans by the slave trade.
This is complicated to explain linguistically because our brains love to categorize and "White" the cultural term has become separate from "White" the ethnic descriptor, same as "Black." But both of these groups are the result of immigration, and the establishment of a NEW culture. Some people just want to establish that based on strict racial lines and supremacy, and those people are cunts.
Agreed, it needs to be articulated that diversity and tolerance are essential to a functional society without regressively horseshoeing it all the way back to "unless you're white tho, then you're worthless."
Also, to get ahead of the whataboutisms of "no that's GeRmAn/IrISh/FrEnCh cUltUrE", there is also American cultural legacies that stem from 'white' people, 'black' people, both, and/or more. These 'races' and 'their' cultures don't exist in a vacuum. Nuance exists.
german, irish, french, sweedish, english, yugoslavian, russian, italian, spanish, polish, these are places that have culture and are caucasian, if you are decendant from that or its influence in the states or immigrated elsewhere that is still cultural influence. so yes. your'e right It does exist. however, she is talking about the capital W WHITE that is not a "real" culture as much as an excuse to classify in and out groups in a hierarchy. What was considered "white" over time has changed.
She's talking about white American culture. And, as a white American, I sort of agree.
So, so much is borrowed. A lot from Europeans, but a lot from black culture. Most of your examples were just taken over from Europe, Rock n Roll comes from a black background in blues and jazz, same for Rockabilly.
Country is probably a very white American cultural invention, though
Culture is always a process of borrowing from and remixing what came before with what's happening next door. There's really no other way humans go about it.
This point can't be understated enough. People often tend to see their own culture as the "default" and sort of not a culture. Everyone else obviously has their own culture because they can see how different it is from their normal daily lives.
Which is my only real issue of concern with this lady. America absolutely has a culture. Numerous cultures, actually. Some predominantly white. The only way to perceive a culture is different is by comparison to your own.
Pshaw, can’t be racist against white people, it’s the default color. And as the default, white people have the privilege to steal the concept of racism and say they were the originators. And everyone knows Adam and Eve (the incestors) were white.
I agree with her overall sentiment/argument but there is still a thing as white culture. Cultural identity is often formed in shared struggle. Just look at Black culture in the u.s., while there is regional variation there is still a shared culture that stems from the struggle against oppression. The inverse is also true. white culture is linked to it's position of power and privilege. Yet still has regional variation.
It's the horseshoe effect, where things went so far around it went back to full on racism. This idea that white's don't have culture is insidious because it implicitly frames culture as variations from the default, and the default is the heritage of white Europe, especially western Europe. It should be obvious how framing white people as the "default" humans is problematic.
No, I think you're missing the mark. "White culture" can only be defined as the role that white cultureS have played as oppressors. This is a continuation of the conversation that was had around the capitalization of "white" and "black", where it was argued that Black people have a shared culture defined by their oppression, whereas "white" culture has always been a melting pot of many disparate cultures.
It's the same thing with many debates about cultural appropriation. While there certainly are cases where one can legitimately criticize it, especially when certain cultural elements are exploited for monetary gains, in other cases the self proclaimed defenders go as far as arguing that if you are ethnicity A, you may never engage in activities from ethnicity B.
This is ethno-differentialism and essentially divides into communities that may not ever mix, which sounds pretty racist to me.
"in other cases the self proclaimed defenders go as far as arguing that if you are ethnicity A, you may never engage in activities from ethnicity B."- this is not a mainstream position. Only chronically online people spout shit like this.
I'm brown, I had a white person tell me brown people can't be racist because I apologised for some comment I made, so he said only white people can be racist and I was so confused.. but yeah, apparently that's a thing as well and I had to point out to him how that essentially made him sound like a white supremacist, glad I know the term horseshoe effect now. Makes me think of these people that are so far left, like the "white saviour" types
A lot of the problem also seems to be people wanting to turn complex thoughts into sound bites. White people in the USA cannot be affected by systemic racism in the same way brown people are, because systemic racism is about the structure of society as a whole. That doesn't mean individuals can't be racist against white people. It does mean the guy who thinks he can't get a job because he's a white male doesn't get how racism works.
Think of it this way - her criticism (and the criticism of so-called White culture) stems from the idea that while yes, people who are white have contributed to culture in the ways you listed and more, "White" itself is not a culture like the supremacists would have you believe. There's German, Irish, British, French culture etc... everybody stems from some sort of cultural background, but there's nothing that whiteness itself can claim.
If you say something that sounds racist, and you don't make abso-fucking-lutely sure to explain what you actually mean.... the you shouldn't be surprised if people think you are racist.
I think it would be better for her to phrase it as "There is no "white" culture" instead, then, as that would avoid the alternate interpretation. Otherwise, whatsisname's comment becomes the common understanding of her argument because it's closest to the literal phrasing. Honestly, my perspective is basically what you outlined, but it didn't really seem to be hers. That said, I can't say that I'm familiar with her to start.
Now this will often lead people to say, "black people talk about Black culture, and Black pride," what's the difference? The difference being (particularly in America) that because of slavery and intentional efforts to systemically and savagely separate slaves from their former cultures (languages, religions, customs, names), a new unique culture arose that is unique to Black people, often built around survival strategies in a hostile, racist, society. Black pride is about affirming dignity >
Yes, saying something stupid does lead people to pointing out how stupid the thing you said was. Affirming dignity doesn't involve belittling the identity or culture of others. "I can stupid racist bullshit too and jump through mental hoops why my racism is actual okay" is not a platform for improving anything.
identity, humanity. White pride is a term that has nothing to latch onto except a history of oppression. TL;DR - "I'm proud of my Italian roots" is probably ok, "I'm proud to be white" is racist.
Most Americans of European descent have absolutely no connection to their ancestral culture. I don't know what delusion you live under to pretend otherwise. I assume abject ignorance.
but African- American culture is uniquely "black" because they dont know where they came from, they were stripped of their past when they were brought to America and as such cant claim Zulu, or Ghanan or Mozambiquian culture as their own. Thus they have been forced into a uniquely "black" or more politically correct, African American culture.
Congratulations on being ignorant of history and the nuances of how these two social concepts developed across the eras.
"Black" as a social concept formed as a way for people who had been systematically divorced from their cultural history could have solidarity with each other and build a new culture in a foreign land they were not welcomed.
"White" as a concept came from racists who wanted to put themselves socially above others who were seen as "non-white" through exclusive tribalism.
Ok, so you don't meant black and white people as a whole then? Meaning white people having no culture is a misnomer, you actually mean racists have no culture?
Kinda? It isn't a misnomer, just a complicated subject. "Black" and "white' are labels that we attribute meaning for easy conversation. This is what we mean by them being "social constructs".
The term "white" as a cultural identity is of exclusion to distinguish those who are "non-white". There is no shared culture of "white people". Whereas "black" is a term of inclusion for people to find solidarity in sharing a culture with a complicated history in its development as a cultural identity.
This conversation has already been had at great length. This might help explain why that's different and you can't just swap "white" with "black" and have it mean the same thing.
Yeah, every discussion has already been had at great length, and yet white supremacists have taken over the United States. If your rhetoric isn't winning hearts and minds, it doesn't matter if it is correct or rational or was discussed to death 200 years ago. Feeling right and being right don't matter. You need to convince others without needing to link to a documentary or essay. We need to be better at communicating, that's what I'm criticizing with this whole "no white culture" trash.
khaoselement
I'd rather die than stop going to cultural restaurants. Fucking hell "white" food can be good, but it ain't got shit on a good ass curry.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Really would be nice if all the businesses out there just straight up refused anyone MAGA. Take their picture, tell them to get out of the restaurant, go about your day. There's absolutely no reason we should be accepting Nazis.
applesforjuice
Stop equating having a small penis with being a bad human being. What is confusing about this? Stop. It's so fucked up.
DeakVanNyke
Everyone in Europe facepalmed in unison. https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlc29iMW1yYzB2MGNmbGtmMWNodmQzczc1bDZvdTcyZ2tvMnV3OHdjZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/lb5nMu0UIh4YM/200w.mp4
khora
There's plenty of great white culture. It's better when it's mixed with all other cultures.
shitheadtookmyname
I'm not watching this whole video but does she mean there's no "white ppl" bc they're a bunch of ethnic groups, or is she saying that things like the protestant work ethic, the most common languages of the USA, Italian and Irish food, bourbon, etc aren't things white ppl invented?
RoutemasterFlash
She's saying Republicans are bad people because they stereotype others, and you can tell they're Republicans because they're fat, stupid, badly dressed and less educated than she is.
lacarpitrondookmarriot
I mean I get what she’s saying; however, I could have done without the African-Americans and sports reference. How about traffic light, gas mask, automatic elevator doors, and the Super Soaker, sweet potatoes and peanut butter. Same for Mexican Americans - more than just food.
https://holyculture.net/read/artlcle/50-inventions-by-black-people-that-make-your-life-easier/
vash77
It's not racist if you're liberal. /s
Alektrauniccountermeasures
White savior racist are almost worse because they think they are not being racist when they insist that non-white people need their help to survive
ThreeLeftsMakeARight
Cankles McTaco Tits new band name called it.
pKGALVA
Can I play tambourine?
MessiahOfRats
"All white people have no culture". I'm sorry, but a skin color isn't a culture. Being racist doesn't solve racism.
zoeytg
Gods I hate this. Doesn't make any sense when the racist say it either. White isn't a fucking culture. A lack of melanin doesn't give you anything but higher chance of skin cancer and sun burns. People can't agree on what is and isn't white because it's arbitrary. Culture is based on the community around you. You pick up culture. This video is just another form of racism. Ugh.
Seelenwolf
I mean it does give you something, you need (a lot)less sun to produce sufficient enoug vitamin D. thats why the more north you go the whiter the general population gets as in those areas the sun is weaker and you cant get enough sunlight with a lot of melanin in your skin
As far as i am aware if a person with a lot of melanin lives in a scandinavian country it is very likely the are vitamin D deficient, even in the usa most of them are deficient and the usa is a lot closer to the equator.
DecapodianSaysWoopWoopWoopWoop
Yeeeee, please remember there is a world outside US like Europe. We have a lot of culture here.
KleptoKea
Agreed, maybe the white Americans have no culture beyond their yoghurt, but elsewhere in the world like Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, there's a lot of culture and traditions to be enjoyed with the locals who are white.
eetsumkaus
Ethnic cleansing. It's called ethnic cleansing. White people themselves are also the victims of this. Scots, Germans, Italians forced to give up their culture to assimilate into White Anglo-Saxon Protestant idealism that has watered down itself because of the idea of racial purity.
RandywithanI
Jennifer Welch and the I’ve Had it Podcast according to Google image search. I’ll be adding a new pod to my follow list.
shitheadtookmyname
She sounds ignorant saying there's no white culture but there is Mexican culture. They're the same kind of country: multicultural mix of colonizing Europeans, indigenous people, and descendants of African slaves mixing together and speaking predominantly a European language. Same goes for Canada.
Ialwayslookhungover
They can fuck off out of my cracker barrel, too
MaleekTheFreak
For a lot of white people, you actually have to give up your culture to be accepted into whiteness. “Whiteness” is a homogenizing and part of the process of deculturation. It shits on Irish, Slavic, Italian, etc., cultural practices in the USA and entices people away from second class citizenship in exchange for a stripping of culture.
RoutemasterFlash
On the other hand, you get a lot of Americans who cosplay as "Irish" (maybe other nationalities too, but this is most common example) just because one or two of their ancestors came from Ireland a fair number of generations ago and they have no particular cultural attachment to Ireland beyond trite clichés like drinking Guinness on "Patty's Day."
MaleekTheFreak
To be clear, this is me advocating for others’ cultures. I myself am Afro Caribbean and not white.
Just need to point out that despite me enjoying her bashing white supremacists, she should also be accountable for her contribution of homogenization in her rhetoric.
circlebreaker
Too accurate, fourth, third, and even second generation European immigrant families had often already lost their Mother tongues as a part of integrating into the local White English communities. German, Italian, Polish, Irish, Swedish, Hungarian, you name it, and this doesn't even include very small ethnic minorities from those countries. As a matter of fact, I think that the Amish are the only ones who really held firm to heritage in a way that others regret not having done odd dialect and all.
Dannyalcatraz
OK, to be faaaaaaaaaiiiiir…
There’s definitely cool things white people have given the world. Mozart. Wilde. Escargot. Wright.
But she’s absolutely correct that the white supremacists have systematically overlooked the contributions of others while simultaneously unjustly amplifying their own. And I, for one, would definitely enjoy watching MAGA
types trying to live in a “white contributions only” culture bubble.
Dannyalcatraz
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyNHpmbW9xcWt2a3VlNnFveXQ5d2FwNjM1NHBwcm45ZjQwdDFsY3ZhcCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/RG3lm5VlrbDV7YNana/giphy.gif
whatsisname
The title on the video does not match what she is saying. It is false to say that "white culture = no culture". Whites as a group of people have had plenty of cultural developments and influences on the world, just like any other large group of people. White = no culture is unintentionally but inherently racist because it leads to viewing whites as the default or standard of humanity.
Noremakm
You're thinking of English, or Scottish, or Irish, or Welsh, or German, or French or Russian, or Norse, or Spanish or Italian if you're feeling spicy. There is no "White" Culture. White is not a culture or people. White is a perceived superiority over not white people.
whatsisname
What the woman is complaining about is supremacists that go on about being 'white exclusive' which is basically impossible, because cultural influences spread and are shared and built upon by people.
damogen
She is making two separate claims. One that is true, and one that is wildly racist. And then she is trying to bundle them up so you think both are true.
nopenopittynope2806
Don’t disagree with much here, like a lot of it, but I could deal with less fat-shaming. Plenty of us radical leftists are fat, too.
prosper020
Yeah the general aggressive body shaming was painful. Even if you aim it at others, you’re still hurting the people you care about who share or feel like they share any physical qualities of the people you are attacking.
(Thanks dad for giving me body dysmorphia because you were always loudly judging others.)
Bollramm
She makes a lot of assumptin. Why is everyone working in a mexican restaurangrt an immigrant who has english as a second language?
There are millions of US citzens with a latino background who were born in thr USA, learned english as their mother language and never imigrated.
She sounds very racist to be honest 🤷♂️
vash77
It's not racist if you're liberal. /s
Bollramm
I consider myself a liberal.
Just fyi
InfocalypseRising
I cackled at "teeny weeny beta pricks and their ugly-ass wives." Yeah, yeah, I know, don't body shame but come on man that shit was funny.
ByteeBandit
See also: "teeny weeny mushroom cock, cankle mctaco tits"
RoutemasterFlash
So it's fine to subscribe to the scientifically rejected "alpha/beta" nonsense as long as it's directed at overweight, uneducated men?
fendeele
I was a little nervous at first
yeahhedugit
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZXJocTlrb2I0cWFocWlqZG9jbHk0YXR3MnRubWVzaWxhczc1M2VuYiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/8YsjVmpIpEjNKlrL3D/200w.webp
EverNotRelevant
There is no such thing as WHITE culture. There's British culture, Irish culture, Spanish culture, Polish culture, Bavarian culture, etc., but there is no "white culture." Whiteness is founded on one thing: the exclusion of minorities. It's not fertile ground for anything but hate.
whatsisname
By the same token there isn't black culture, there isn't any asian culture, etc. You can subdivide anything to the point where it all becomes meaningless, and you're doing so to reach a particular conclusion you desired up front.
EverNotRelevant
Yeah, there's no one Asian culture, there's a bunch of different cultures from Asia. Black culture, however, is a different story. In America, divorced from their heritage and history and forced together by their one unifying characteristic (skin color) black people DID create a culture.
GenStrike
This article should help explain why those two things are different:
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php
RoutemasterFlash
Is the culture of European Americans (if we're going to avoid saying "white") nothing more than an amalgamation of European cultures, preserves in aspic in 1850 or whenever each group started coming over, though?
EverNotRelevant
I'm saying there is no such thing as "white culture" because there are no unifying cultural practices or attitudes that bring all white people together. The only commonality is skin color, a genetic (not cultural) characteristic. Europe has a lot of cultures. Flattening them all together as "white culture" ignores what sets them apart, makes them unique.
RoutemasterFlash
Could you not say the same thing about black culture, though? Are there "unifying cultural practices" that all, or nearly all, black Americans engage in?
EverNotRelevant
Nah, black American culture actually has a common origin point in the slave era. As I said elsewhere, they were taken from their African history and culture and crammed together without regard for their previous associations. That culture was born from their exclusion from whiteness, in both pre- and post-civil war America.
RoutemasterFlash
OK, but I'm talking about the USA as it exists today, in 2025. "There is no unifying white (American) culture because John Cage, Metallica and Taylor Swift are all very different" ignores the fact that Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix and Wu-Tang Clan are all very different, too.
RibbleTPibits
No culture?!? https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlaDBpMGs4emMzY3RwbThqZXAwaTV0N3NtaTQ5MXZib3kzd3d2ajE3ZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/pBzk972XL5Qs0/200w.mp4
cptsilver
i laught, but let's be fair and not kink shame :p
Sebastopol140
Ok, I love her.
MadamPuddifoot
Who is she?
PersonalityFire
Jennifer Welch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ve_Had_It_(podcast)
duerenlitenhore
Can you imagine a cooler aunt?
Notloudenuf
She's on the "i've had it" podcast with her friend Pumps
lilywhitenight
I listen to this almost everyday on my commute. Phenomenal listening.
DownvotesStarWars
It’s refreshing to hear someone else go to this lengths to isolate MAGA assholes. I’m with her, it’s a cult for losers and they deserve to be sequestered in their own little bubble of blandness and inadequacy.
yoyo42
Utah?
LateNightBunnyParty
As an OKC area resident, I'm gonna hit up my favorite Mexican restaurant at lunch today.
Usernameisalreadyregisteredwasalreadyregistered
Mexican or Tex-Mex?
TinaEveFox
Where's part 1?
heyimjephph
Before part 2
FrancsTireur
Im happy to have as many cultures as want to be here but she's wrong about white people. Much of Mexican culture is Spanish, much of Brazilian culture is Portuguese, true "black culture" is seen only in groups like the Zulu and Bantu who managed to more or less keep their traditions everything else is black with white influence even Caribbean faiths like the rastafari they adopted figures from Christianity.
spokzagis
She means people in Oklahoma have no culture. No one disagrees.
XenonBunny
The point is whiteness as a concept is fake, it's so fluid. The palest people ever, the Irish, were not considered white, now they are. Italians regardless of light or dark were weren't white, now they are. Iranians are sometimes considered white, depends on who. Are erhnically Jewish people white? Depends on who you ask. Are Black people with albinism white?
Theres no unified white culture, it's made up bullshit to create an exclusive opressive class.
XenonBunny
People with white skin have cultures, yeah. But there is not a single white culture. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/7/23/white-is-not-a-colour-white-is-an-ideology
Also Black culture is definitely a thing, literally just read the Wiki page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_culture
FrancsTireur
I would define white culture as being native to Northern europe, Germanic, Gallic, Celtic, Norse and Slavic. Similarly I would say black culture is split into three groups in its non colonised state; east African, West african and central african. There are running themes through all three as there are with the ethnic white cultures. Then things like white american culture and black american culture are derivatives.
Usernameisalreadyregisteredwasalreadyregistered
See, Imgur doesn't actually care about white people like they say they do. The lady in the video is complaining about people who voted Trump and wants to use the most degrading language possible - as if only white, frail, obese people did that. Imgur, in turn, wants to pretend that she's talking about white supremacists, which gives them the excuse to treat all Trump voters like white supremacists.
In short, Imgurians hate, and I do mean hate, anyone not exactly like them.
dontrike
The "white culture" she refers to is the American White Culture, the one that every hillbilly, pedophile, and cousin fucker in the south seems to believe exists.
XenonBunny
Imperialism
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Look. Get your point...but it's horrendously snobby. I, for instance, have culture coming out my arse. Also, she's treating culture as some monolithic 'thing'. Diversity should be celebrated no matter what
Qpnao
As I said below... Your culture likely does not come from being white American. Because the only thing binding white Americans together is their skin colour and anything they could keep away from everyone else.
TsukariYoshi
Yeah, definitely wasn't a fan of "And of course, all the waiters there, English is their second language" uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh are we fighting racism by becoming racists now?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Worst Batman...ever
RoutemasterFlash
I don't think that's racist, is it? If they're immigrants (certainly first-gen and possibly second-gen too) from Mexico or somewhere further south then it's presumably just true.
Her comments aren't so much racist as outrageously classist.
TsukariYoshi
I mean, does she know those people? It seems like a huge generalization to go "Oh, Mexican restaurant, of COURSE the whole staff speaks English second if at all!" It's a gross simplification and I don't like the idea of normalizing hitting other out-groups with strays while we're criticizing the fascists.
It's like starting your argument with "So I was at a Chinese buffet, and of course all of the employees there speak English as a second language..."
RoutemasterFlash
Well give the demographic she's talking about it, it's not an unreasonable generalisation, and it's probably borne out by personal experience if most people she encounters working in such places speak English with a noticeable accent or make errors that a native Anglophone probably wouldn't make.
It's certainly not the thing that jumped out at me as offensive or bigoted here, anyway.
TsukariYoshi
I was probably primed to find something about her not to like because of the shitty tone she starts with right off the bat, but "everyone who works at a mexican restaurant doesn't speak English natively" is a MASSIVE generalization to be making, and it's racist as fuck to make that generalization - how is stereotyping something like "All of these people speak English as a second language" not making a judgment based solely on their perceived race?
Hyndisfox
Yup, and its horrendously racist from the very title too, making it less likely anyone will pay attention to it in a useful way. Imagine if we take the same headline and swap a word. "BLACK CULTURE = NO CULTURE". People would be having meltdowns about it, and rightfully so.
Qpnao
Oh shut up. the whole point of the racist system is to venerate white people above everyone else. Complaining any time someone stereotypes white people distracts from that fact.
Also, you don't sound like you're from the US. (Conservative) Americans are a special case because they/we (I am American and British) have spent decades aggressively homogenising. I grew up there and there really isn't any sense of white American culture. Not that there should be, particularly.
ThisNameUnavailable
"Calling out less severe bigotry distracts from the more severe bigotry."
No. ALL bigotry should be called out and ended, against any group.
It's just wild to me that people like you exist and can think this in your head. The absolute mental gymnastics to justify and defend racism is disgusting. It's literally the easiest thing to get right: all racism is bad, mmkay?
At least you don't vote Republican I guess, but that's about it.
Qpnao
Yeah we already knew that you understood nothing about bigotry; you didn't have to continue proving it. It's this kind of thing. https://www.vox.com/2015/9/4/9258133/all-lives-matter-cartoon A few less than charitable comments about white people has absolutely nothing in common with the deep systemic shit that other people in the US experience. And yeah it does distract from the actual issues when people talk about them that way. If only that was all racism was.
ThisNameUnavailable
Nope, you couldn't be more wrong lol.
"All lives matter" responses mean "we don't need to care about the suffering of POC because all lives matter, we should care about everyone". This is done to minimize legitimate grievances raised by such groups, such as the BLM protests against police brutality.
That isn't at all what I'm doing. I recognize the racism that POC face, and that its worse than what white people face. My point is that racism against white people is also wrong, not that we 1/?
GenStrike
Just swapping a word doesn't mean it's like the same thing. "Reverse Racism" isn't a thing because Black people don't have the institutional power that white people wield over them. It doesn't matter how prejudiced Black people are towards whites - not only is that prejudice actually justified, it literally doesn't matter.
ThisNameUnavailable
You are an actual racist. The majority do not define racism with "institutional power". Here is the dictionary definition for your reference, courtesy of Oxford Languages.
All prejudice and discrimination based on race is racism. It does not depend on the race being affected.
GenStrike
No, buddy, I'm using the definition of racism used by actual sociologists taught in actual universities. I received my credits for that class.
ThisNameUnavailable
Ah right, that's why it's reflected in the literal dictionary 😂
You understand words can mean multiple things and have multiple definitions, right?
If for decades and decades everyone uses "racism" to mean xyz, you think that if sociologists decide racism means abc instead, you think that updated definition is psychically transmitted to everyone's brain, and when they say racism actually they mean abc?
ThisNameUnavailable
Like, you understand definitions are the COMMON understanding of the word right? Thats the purpose of language. You think if 0.001% of a population defines a word differently to everyone else, that changes the definition of the word?
Maybe you should have taken a linguistics class lmao.
GrandmasterSpank
Absolutely agree. You want to be pure? You want to be white? Ok fine. No exotic foods, no spices, nothing. Just go back to 1400's England-style living (you know, the shit your forefathers tried to escape because it was such a hellhole). Let's be real. What is 'white culture'? All I cant think of is centuries of killing, murdering and war.
ImaginaryMamboNumber5
There were a shit ton of spices used in 1400's England despite the high cost at the time. The bland food meme came about from rationing during WWII until 1954, spread by GIs stationed in the UK.
astrangehop
Which is a weird cutoff. Like okay no peppers for Indian curries or schezuan dishes, no African dishes with peanuts, etcetc. I mean, I get it, multiculturalism is awesome but its bizarre to pretend there were no cultural contributions by northwestern Europeans for the past 500 years.
Rulweylan
>What is 'white culture'? All I cant think of is centuries of killing, murdering and war.
Which suggests that you're either woefully uneducated about western culture, racist as fuck or both, since western countries are particularly exceptional neither in the volume of killing and war they produce, nor in the number and quality of their cultural works.
whatsisname
Basically shorthand for european, especially western european. There are tons of things that were created by those peoples. Think about stuff like cheesemaking, breadmaking, beermaking, chromatic scale music, heraldry, etc. Tons more. Also, if you think killing, murdering, war and generally being violent assholes is somehow exclusive to whites/europeans, you clearly need to read up on your world history, as every culture engages in that fairly regularly since before recorded history.
OneCraftyHooker
Beer and bread date back further in Egypt than Europe... Egyptians were the first to cultivate barley and wheat
GrandmasterSpank
And I count things like 'beer making' under 'science', not under culture.
whatsisname
The first sure, the egyptians brewed beer, but it wasn't just one and done. Just like genres of music, over time there have developed tons of unique styles characteristic of their originating societies and incorporating ingredients and techniques unique to those regions, that didn't exist then, such as lagers. Same with breads, there are shitloads of styles of breads that didn't exist in Egypt.
TheePerfectComment
Precisely. White people were still doing the waltz up until the 1800s while they had their slaves playing the violin for them. When the slaves had free time they would fiddle with the violins and make fast paced rhythms that we now call blue grass today. African Americans even created the banjo. But white people swear they invented country music and loose their shit at Beyonce and other artists for tapping into their roots. (cowboys, hockey, rock n roll etc) They've always been culture vultures.
GrandmasterSpank
White people have not invented any CULTURE at all. Sure we can be good scientists. Maths, chemistry, physics. But thats science, not culture. White culture is: do not change anything. Leave everything as it is. The status quo needs to be preserved. Everything needs to be as bland and boring as possible. I loooove mixing with other cultures and I'm an introvert! I love to see all the colors, the dishes, the spices, the foods, the acceptance, the openness of other cultures. The willing to change.
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
I feel much the same way.
whatsisname
Your claim here is complete bullshit though.
Rulweylan
I don't see that this sort of kneejerk bullshit anti-white racism is actually helpful. Of course white people created culture, just like any other large group of people. Dismissing the works of Van Gogh, Michelangelo, Rembrant and Monet, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven and Holst, Scorsese, Hitchcock, Kubrick and Spielberg amongst myriad others is just as stupid and racist as dismissing all non-white culture. Be better.
Hexrowe
Hell, even 1400s England wasn't "pure" or "white" the way white supremacists want to imagine the mythical good old days being. Nowhere ever was.
GrandmasterSpank
Meh I just want MAGA supremacists to have to dig in the rock filled dirt with their own hands to plant some potatoes which they then have to eat with just a bit of salt on it. I want them to realize 'pure white culture' is absolute horror. They wouldn't last a day if they had to do away with everything non-white. Including the clothes they are wearing.
Hexrowe
Oh, no, no - potatoes are native American and only imported to Europe after Columbus's little horrorshow of errors. They'd have to make do with _turnips._ *shudder*
GrandmasterSpank
Hahaha yeah turnips ! Even after cooking them for an hour they stay hard and have zero taste :D
EverNotRelevant
That long ago, "white" as a race didn't even exist. IIRC, the concept came into being in the early 17th century (probably as a way of justifying the exploitation of African slaves).
Hexrowe
More or less - throughout the Middle Ages and most of the way through the Renaissance the xenophobia du jour was overtly about religion. Which, BTW, is why originally the Irish didn't count as "white"...
eetsumkaus
I would think ethnolinguistic barriers were bigger among the common folk. Religion was just a convenient excuse by the higher ups to whack some other dudes.
Hexrowe
In some ways, yes (and _absolutely_ it's always been and still is just an excuse!) but ethnicity in the modern sense wasn't really even a concept, no period source seems overly hung up on anybody's skin color past the initial novelty value, and most common folk never traveled far enough to encounter any linguistic barriers.
It's not that people were more woke, though! They just prioritized different prejudices. Life has always been shit for anyone different in any stigmatized way.
TSeventhSon
I agree with what she's saying about MAGA. I just don't understand why people say white people have no culture. Leprechauns, wine, mead, German pastries, fairy tales, the Fae in general, eldritch horror, Arturian mythology, gothic horror like Edgar Allen Poe, folk music like Bob Dylan, Dungeons and Dragons is mostly based on European mythologies, and so on and on. I'm not disagreeing with her stance, I just don't understand this idea that white people don't have culture.
poppypooley
She means American whites. Hope that helps.
Tengenstein
Because those are almost all foreign. Seriously go back to slave owning years and you'll see whites prejudice against the Irish, or the Italians. Its all just othering. If they can't other you for skin colour, they'll find something to other you. Hair colour or style, or where you went to school, or parents marital status, or even "Eew, you like The Monkees"
GenStrike
It may be worth pointing out that Bob Dylan owes a huge amount of his legacy to Black musicians.
GenStrike
Okay, so, she's picking up on a thread that was had a few years ago, namely the capitalization of Black and the lowercase of "white" culture. Yes there are things that derive from "white culture" but "white culture" isn't a culture - it's a mixmash of many different cultures which don't really have that much to do with one another; Whereas Black culture is a role defined by historic injustices such as the slave trade and redlining - an emergent culture defined by oppression.
GenStrike
(and as such, Black Culture is something that *is* shared across several "black cultures".
RoutemasterFlash
Maybe this is coincidence, but your list does seem to be skewed heavily towards just the sort of folkish Nordic-Celtic aspects of culture that white supremacists fetishize.
How about, I dunno, Homer, Cervantes, Shakespeare, gothic, baroque and classical architecture, Beethoven, the Beatles, Kraftverk, pizza, wine, Scotch whisky, football?
Nikolai5
I think that's more of an American problem, cultures have been erased in favour of unapologetic greed. Guns and money is the culture, anything else is just weirdo European stuff that they don't want anything to do with.
MakeItBackAlright
So, none of those are "White" culture. Those are Irish, Scottish, German, English, Russian. None of those are "White" in the modern sense, though "White" DOES try to co-opt them on the basis of skin color. White is Caucasian above all. It is the dark (lol) side of multiculturalism, the homogeneity that emerges when Caucasian becomes culture. Note that "Black" culture emerged because African culture was forcibly stripped from Africans by the slave trade.
MakeItBackAlright
This is complicated to explain linguistically because our brains love to categorize and "White" the cultural term has become separate from "White" the ethnic descriptor, same as "Black." But both of these groups are the result of immigration, and the establishment of a NEW culture. Some people just want to establish that based on strict racial lines and supremacy, and those people are cunts.
echonite
Its not white people in general, but white Americans have no culture without the diversity of others.
tyfghtr
Agreed, it needs to be articulated that diversity and tolerance are essential to a functional society without regressively horseshoeing it all the way back to "unless you're white tho, then you're worthless."
Also, to get ahead of the whataboutisms of "no that's GeRmAn/IrISh/FrEnCh cUltUrE", there is also American cultural legacies that stem from 'white' people, 'black' people, both, and/or more. These 'races' and 'their' cultures don't exist in a vacuum. Nuance exists.
InablueMule
Redneck Subculture is all i ever see.
ragekritz
german, irish, french, sweedish, english, yugoslavian, russian, italian, spanish, polish, these are places that have culture and are caucasian, if you are decendant from that or its influence in the states or immigrated elsewhere that is still cultural influence. so yes. your'e right It does exist. however, she is talking about the capital W WHITE that is not a "real" culture as much as an excuse to classify in and out groups in a hierarchy. What was considered "white" over time has changed.
leifonthestreet3
She's talking about white American culture. And, as a white American, I sort of agree.
So, so much is borrowed. A lot from Europeans, but a lot from black culture. Most of your examples were just taken over from Europe, Rock n Roll comes from a black background in blues and jazz, same for Rockabilly.
Country is probably a very white American cultural invention, though
GenStrike
I would expect that country music owes a huge amount to the musical traditions of Black Americans.
Eristicrat
Culture is always a process of borrowing from and remixing what came before with what's happening next door. There's really no other way humans go about it.
Akurei00
This point can't be understated enough. People often tend to see their own culture as the "default" and sort of not a culture. Everyone else obviously has their own culture because they can see how different it is from their normal daily lives.
Which is my only real issue of concern with this lady. America absolutely has a culture. Numerous cultures, actually. Some predominantly white. The only way to perceive a culture is different is by comparison to your own.
PartyOverImOut
Yeah, without white culture we wouldn’t have racism, monster trucks, and incest
PartyOverImOut
/s
RoutemasterFlash
You think incest doesn't exist in the rest of the world? Really?
PartyOverImOut
Obviously, the rest of the world doesn’t count
LittlePinkAnimal
You think racism is isolated to white people? It is depressingly universal I'm afraid. Incest as well.
RoutemasterFlash
Sure, but let's not interrupt the (good)-white-people-dunking-on-(other, presumably bad)-white-people feel-good party, eh?
PartyOverImOut
Pshaw, can’t be racist against white people, it’s the default color. And as the default, white people have the privilege to steal the concept of racism and say they were the originators.
And everyone knows Adam and Eve (the incestors) were white.
IEatYourSombrero
Fairly certain she's talking about American whites.
RoutemasterFlash
She's talking about fat, uneducated white Americans.
Not slim, educated ones like her.
damogen
Hollywood, fast food, rockabilly, country music, gun worship, prosperity gospel.
There is plenty of white American culture.
The only thing ridiculous claims like this accomplishes is to give credibility to MAGA.
Nestor1312
I agree with her overall sentiment/argument but there is still a thing as white culture. Cultural identity is often formed in shared struggle. Just look at Black culture in the u.s., while there is regional variation there is still a shared culture that stems from the struggle against oppression. The inverse is also true. white culture is linked to it's position of power and privilege. Yet still has regional variation.
whatsisname
It's the horseshoe effect, where things went so far around it went back to full on racism. This idea that white's don't have culture is insidious because it implicitly frames culture as variations from the default, and the default is the heritage of white Europe, especially western Europe. It should be obvious how framing white people as the "default" humans is problematic.
GenStrike
No, I think you're missing the mark. "White culture" can only be defined as the role that white cultureS have played as oppressors. This is a continuation of the conversation that was had around the capitalization of "white" and "black", where it was argued that Black people have a shared culture defined by their oppression, whereas "white" culture has always been a melting pot of many disparate cultures.
waldugar
holy shit you just blew my mind
DrunkGermanGuy
It's the same thing with many debates about cultural appropriation. While there certainly are cases where one can legitimately criticize it, especially when certain cultural elements are exploited for monetary gains, in other cases the self proclaimed defenders go as far as arguing that if you are ethnicity A, you may never engage in activities from ethnicity B.
This is ethno-differentialism and essentially divides into communities that may not ever mix, which sounds pretty racist to me.
Nestor1312
"in other cases the self proclaimed defenders go as far as arguing that if you are ethnicity A, you may never engage in activities from ethnicity B."- this is not a mainstream position. Only chronically online people spout shit like this.
mayodash
I'm brown, I had a white person tell me brown people can't be racist because I apologised for some comment I made, so he said only white people can be racist and I was so confused.. but yeah, apparently that's a thing as well and I had to point out to him how that essentially made him sound like a white supremacist, glad I know the term horseshoe effect now. Makes me think of these people that are so far left, like the "white saviour" types
WarKittyKat
A lot of the problem also seems to be people wanting to turn complex thoughts into sound bites. White people in the USA cannot be affected by systemic racism in the same way brown people are, because systemic racism is about the structure of society as a whole. That doesn't mean individuals can't be racist against white people. It does mean the guy who thinks he can't get a job because he's a white male doesn't get how racism works.
4vie
As respectfully as the question can be posited in this context... but if I may? When you think "human being", who do you see in your mind's eye?
arikelrecords2000
The same as everyone else of course. The Greendale Human beings
4vie
Love your answer! :D
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Think of it this way - her criticism (and the criticism of so-called White culture) stems from the idea that while yes, people who are white have contributed to culture in the ways you listed and more, "White" itself is not a culture like the supremacists would have you believe. There's German, Irish, British, French culture etc... everybody stems from some sort of cultural background, but there's nothing that whiteness itself can claim.
damogen
If you say something that sounds racist, and you don't make abso-fucking-lutely sure to explain what you actually mean.... the you shouldn't be surprised if people think you are racist.
SamaelQliphoth
I think it would be better for her to phrase it as "There is no "white" culture" instead, then, as that would avoid the alternate interpretation. Otherwise, whatsisname's comment becomes the common understanding of her argument because it's closest to the literal phrasing. Honestly, my perspective is basically what you outlined, but it didn't really seem to be hers. That said, I can't say that I'm familiar with her to start.
MaleekTheFreak
I think your take is accurate.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Now this will often lead people to say, "black people talk about Black culture, and Black pride," what's the difference? The difference being (particularly in America) that because of slavery and intentional efforts to systemically and savagely separate slaves from their former cultures (languages, religions, customs, names), a new unique culture arose that is unique to Black people, often built around survival strategies in a hostile, racist, society. Black pride is about affirming dignity >
GroverKerr
Yes, saying something stupid does lead people to pointing out how stupid the thing you said was. Affirming dignity doesn't involve belittling the identity or culture of others. "I can stupid racist bullshit too and jump through mental hoops why my racism is actual okay" is not a platform for improving anything.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
identity, humanity. White pride is a term that has nothing to latch onto except a history of oppression. TL;DR - "I'm proud of my Italian roots" is probably ok, "I'm proud to be white" is racist.
GroverKerr
Most Americans of European descent have absolutely no connection to their ancestral culture. I don't know what delusion you live under to pretend otherwise. I assume abject ignorance.
MaleekTheFreak
At the very least, they have their European family name which is something most of us (Black people) don’t have from our African ancestors.
GroverKerr
"Black is not a culture, its Ghanan and Afro-Carribean and Zulu and Maasai." What a stupid and worthless point to try to argue from.
Noremakm
but African- American culture is uniquely "black" because they dont know where they came from, they were stripped of their past when they were brought to America and as such cant claim Zulu, or Ghanan or Mozambiquian culture as their own. Thus they have been forced into a uniquely "black" or more politically correct, African American culture.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Congratulations on being ignorant of history and the nuances of how these two social concepts developed across the eras.
"Black" as a social concept formed as a way for people who had been systematically divorced from their cultural history could have solidarity with each other and build a new culture in a foreign land they were not welcomed.
"White" as a concept came from racists who wanted to put themselves socially above others who were seen as "non-white" through exclusive tribalism.
Valharroth
Ok, so you don't meant black and white people as a whole then? Meaning white people having no culture is a misnomer, you actually mean racists have no culture?
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Kinda? It isn't a misnomer, just a complicated subject. "Black" and "white' are labels that we attribute meaning for easy conversation. This is what we mean by them being "social constructs".
The term "white" as a cultural identity is of exclusion to distinguish those who are "non-white". There is no shared culture of "white people". Whereas "black" is a term of inclusion for people to find solidarity in sharing a culture with a complicated history in its development as a cultural identity.
GenStrike
This conversation has already been had at great length. This might help explain why that's different and you can't just swap "white" with "black" and have it mean the same thing.
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php
GroverKerr
Yeah, every discussion has already been had at great length, and yet white supremacists have taken over the United States. If your rhetoric isn't winning hearts and minds, it doesn't matter if it is correct or rational or was discussed to death 200 years ago. Feeling right and being right don't matter. You need to convince others without needing to link to a documentary or essay. We need to be better at communicating, that's what I'm criticizing with this whole "no white culture" trash.
GenStrike
Okay, if we need to be better at communicating, how about you start by reading the article?