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Aug 25, 2023 11:53 AM
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RCSpotz
I felt this
JBhamMER
I recently told my wife who is in sales & killing herself to get these measly bonuses. I told her, save your soul & remember that often doing good is good enough.
MyOtherRideIsAValkyrie
Your performance this year was excellent, unfortunately you picked a terrible year to perform well
redditmcredditface
me: "Well, I've done a lot of thinking about how much more I can make using my skills elsewhere"
sadurdaynight
I got screwed on my last performance review. They were like "we didn't fill in any goals for you, so just tell us everything you did". I filled out all the outstanding, above-and-beyond stuff I did for the year. They turned around and retroactively filled that in as my year's goals, so I only got a "meets expectations". I pointed out that most of my work was above and beyond my job description. Didn't matter. I started kicking the tires on new jobs.
Dannyflash78
One time on a performance review, under the attendance category I got 4.75 out of 5. I took no sick days or holidays and consistently worked overtime whenever it was offered. Some weeks I put in over 80 hours and I even worked stat holidays too. When I asked what I could do to get a 5 out of 5 they said “we don’t do perfect scores”
TotemTom
The department I co-lead had a 38% increase this quarter and I was passed over for a raise because I’m “not providing sufficient value to the company”. Employers are exclusively interested in paying you as little as they think they can get away with without you leaving
rbudrick
At wal mart, where my wife worked for many years, managers were required to ensure all employees had SOMETHING wrong on their review to ensure raises are never given to any employees, ever. Her manager was furious at this and wrote that my wife performed all her duties too flawlessly. He couldn't think of one thing she'd done wrong.
metroid2
I had a retail job. I think they knew I was going to quit. They got 0 reaction from me when they said I wouldn't be getting a raise. It was super funny. I think they were expecting a negative reaction from me.
mbrauen
For all you managers out there: I once had a boss say, “we expect our employees to exceed expectations.” Sounds very cliche and harmless on the surface. However 5 minutes of thought reveals how this circular logic destroys trust and can never be satisfied. For your own benefit, please make goals specific and attainable, have realistic expectations, and bite the bullet to reward (read: raise pay) employees who meet or exceed the objectives. Turnover decrease will outweigh payroll increase.
BDBottom
As the old joke goes: "In Soviet Union they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
nukesontheway
Well I took the time out my schedule to explain it to you…
FromTheBeyond
I remember one year a place I worked gave me a $0.10 per hour raise. An extra $208 per year. Wow. Thanks guys.
dargrin
And here is your 75 cent raise. Just be happy abut it.
Rpgjgb
By gawd thats almost an entire dollar! Not only should I be happy I should be great full I got a raise at all. Afterallnwoth inflation and the stagnating economy and all times are tough for the company
catlovesfood
I gave notice at a toxic job at the beginning of a performance appraisal once, they went back and rewrote it to give me bottom marks in everything afterwards -_-.
MDustyW
Performance reviews make an excellent opportunity to hand in your notice!
FisheswithDynamite
While you're performing so much better than everyone else here, and have been consistently out performing metrics, you're not doing as much better as we hoped, so here's your quarter.
s0lid0nyx
"You scored a 3/5- because 4's are reserved for employees that ALWAYS go above and beyond and 5's just aren't possible."
Ozimbah
I've been told almost word for word this. Well, he did give me enough 4's to average up to a 4, but that was because I was closing 2.5x the number of tickets of the next best performer.
Puvaradivi
I once had to argue with my boss over an excel formula she used to calculate my percentage of mistakes (on computer related work). This was her only reason for giving me the lowest possible raise. The actual percentage ended up being. 03%. She was trying to say it was 30%. I argued for an hour, begging her to use common sense and look at the total items checked vs mistakes found, and see that 30% made no sense whatsoever. She just kept saying "the formula doesn't lie." God I don't miss that job.
Jmat26k
F that. I hold my employees to standards and then I recognize them when they go beyond those. I give bonuses and I tell them what they did extra, it’s effect, and how I appreciated it. If they don’t meet standards, I tell them as well. Then I get in trouble.
Blake242
My last line manager set goals that were totally unachievable, gave minimal payrises on account of them not being achieved, then had the chuzpah to email us saying he had met his goal of keeping costs low. The fact he still retains his head is a testament to my chill.
bronx72a
I saw a company motto something like "our customers know we always exceed expectations" and just thinking about that my brain went into an infinite loop and crashed.
okiedokiesmokey
Just keep doing what your doing. I'll take care of you next year . Boss prob.
dustygamedev
I got a poor assessment because I "listen to your bosses too much. Learn to say no"
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
That sucks. Try to take the bad with the good though. Heathy boundaries is a good thing to work in both private and professional life.
KiopMiko
Boss: "Your raise will be 1%"... You: "No"
bunnyrut
My manager gave me exceeded expectations in all sections because I did. Her boss went in and changed a few of them because "no one is that good." Another place said that they always have to mark at least one and met or lower because "reasons", which I assume was "we don't have to give you the max raise." Well, if you'll score me lower than my performance anyway why would I work as hard as I did before?
Tekktokk
What's funny though is- some people ARE that good. I've been that good. I've worked with people that good. And my reasoning is: if someone shows up and does the bare minimum and gets 'meets expectations' then exceeds is anyone who does a reasonable amount better.
bunnyrut
That's my opinion too. Doing only your job description and nothing more is "meets expectations". They did exactly what they were hired to do. For some reason companies feel that everyone should work more than what they are paid for and get the "attaboys" instead of money. Not many places rewarded me for going "above and beyond" and wondered why I wanted to clock out and go home as soon as my shift is over instead of "helping."
aarkarr
Our yearly reviews are on a 1-5 and we were told that there was only one 5 in any category in the entire company. 4 was 'doing the world of two people or doing your boss's job' and the 5 was someone basically doing their boss's boss's job. Then we all got a cost of living raise that was less than inflation.
Tekktokk
Another interesting way to frame the 5 grading is to ask your boss: what would have been a 5 in this category? I have only done this once, and sure enough, he couldn't even answer. Thus in my mind, it isn't even a part of the scale.
Tekktokk
I get that having an overall 5 for an employee would be kinda nuts, but my boss's boss told me: for even a single category, no one gets 5s. Then what's the point of the scale or 5s? I finished a project that saved us money, ahead of schedule, was a better solution than proposed, and increased productivity. I got a 4. I argued: How is that not a 5? If there are no 5s, then the scale is 1 to 4.
s0lid0nyx
YEEEEEEP. It's like whoever made these scales was the child of one of those teachers that "never gives an A+" so they are taking it out on everyone else.
AnythingMuchShorter
I'm an R&D engineer, I invented a technology that has so far gotten 4 patents, and was the first thing mentioned by the CEO at the latest press conference. It made our stock go up by what amounts to 180 million in market value when it was announced. I STILL didn't get "exceeds expectations"
s0lid0nyx
"Well, your job title is to exceed our expectations so...you didn't exceed the expectations to exceed our expectations so no raise for you."
Photeus
If true, that's some bullshit man. Company is just stealing your ideas at that point.
AnythingMuchShorter
My favorite part was when the press release said “a team of engineers” it was just me. And it’s true, it’s RFID technology that allows tools to be activated at sale. Market watch did an article on it pretty recently. There are other people doing the roll out, marketing and business strategy but the idea that it was possible, the concept of how to do it and the technology prototype to actually pull it off was all me, with my little prototype desk.
brickius
At my previous firm you were guaranteed an annual raise, which was performance based - I got 'exceptional' which granted me a 1.25% raise.... I asked what 'normal' would have got me.... 1%.... I busted my ass for 0.25, essentially payed for the coffee I bought on the way to my appraisal
NotThatPrivate
oh, and how much was inflation this year?
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Yep, at my work they're capped at 2%, so I always make sure the people I supervise score in the top category so they at least get that. I hate that I can't give them enough to at least beat inflation (or get that much for myself)
ArkoneAxon
It's so ridiculously easy to motivate employees to do well. Just give them money. It's that simple. It's also ridiculously easy to get plants to grow - give them fertilizer and water. It's easy to get cars to go, just give them gasoline. The solutions are so SIMPLE, but the employers can't get past the whole "maximizing immediate short term gain is always better than long term sustainability" idiocy.
Tekktokk
It's funny too because in most sectors people won't stay no matter what. so when they say 'oh well if we give this person 5% every year in 14 years they'd have doubled their salary!' who stays anywhere 14 years?! Now they are going to leave after 2 years, all because you didn't want to give them $1300.
Exdeath5000
Performance appraisals at my job are complete bullshit. Regardless of how bad you do or well you do, the raise is the same for everyone. There is no reason to try. Last year it was 1.5% across the board. Thank you so much, I can go out to eat one more time a month!
JesaraB
Walmart does the "I can only give the max raise to 1 person in this department" BS
JesaraB
(and the standard raise for most of the rest is below inflation)
restes1
But these are trying times. We are in this together! Lol
SedatedSl0th
Same. But I guess the silver lining is that we are 3%.
CitizenPrime
It's bs in all companies
m4uboy
or you get a better raise by being a good raise negotiator. which is still dumb, because you weren't hired to be a raise negotiator.
Exdeath5000
Yea I've tried, others tried. It is a very large multi-national company. The technique of getting another job offer doesn't even work. They never match, excellent co-worker been here 20+ years left after he tried to get them to match an offer. Manager told me upper mgmt looks at you as damaged goods basically, that you were wanting to leave anyway
NunyaBizness
In the dumpster .. behind McDs
paulbloface
Same boat here. Everyone's on a payscale and as long as you're competent enough to do the job, seniority is the deciding factor for advancement. There's no incentive to do more than an OK job and not screw over your coworkers because you're in it together.
BubbaWunk
4 letter company out of Texas?
softspokensatan
our evals don't' connect with our raises, union keeps all raises the same across the board. last year they fought for flat rate increases (instead of 6% everyone go a 2 dollar raise.) ones at the top were mad they didn't get more but the ones at the bottom benefitted more plus everyone got 4k extra a year.
cybergeek
You got a raise?
Tekktokk
I was a 4.1 out of 5, and got, and I'm not exaggerating here, 3.08% raise vs the flat 3% all the 3 /5s got. Wow, so glad I worked hard for that .08%. Unfortunately had to take up the matter on my own which was a waste of my time, but did pay off eventually.
Rivalyn
You're getting raises? The last raise I got was from minimum wage, to minimum wage.
phoenix071
Literally same. I got the second highest possible rating, but a 3% raise. From a salary that is already 15% below market. Looking for a new job isn't going well either :(
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
I was so pissed this years. Last year I had the same grades (stack ranking globally, it’s such bs) and got 7% raise. This year I had 2% with the same grades. Comp performance is great, boasting emails about profit. It was like a slap to the face.
sadurdaynight
Performance appraisals are designed to be subjective enough to justify giving or not giving raises. They may have tangible things like "got to work on time", but usually have subjective shit like "team player" or "takes initiative".. stuff a manager can flub to force you to fit into whatever upper-management has passed down as "so many need to be 'meets expectations', so many need to 'need improvement'", etc. It's basically lining up a class, ignoring their letter grades, and just chunking 1/
sadurdaynight
them out to categories. Had a prof do that in college. He gave us points on a 1000 point scale. 1/2 the class got 900+ points which should have given us A's. But, the school said only 10% can get A's, 25% can get B's, etc, etc. He lined us up by points, and chunked us into 10% A's, 25% B's, etc. Folks were PISSED. But, that's how performance reviews at work occur. Management has quotas to fill, and they use the perf rev as an excuse to shoe box you even though you do better./
DeveloperExtraordinaire
Our director only has a certain amount of money to divide between the 40 or so people that report to her. Including managers, architects, devops, developers, QA. Including promotions. If there are a few people getting promotions, they had to limit the raises to a percent or max dollar amount so that everyone not getting a promotion still gets a raise. It sucks, but it does start with the tippy top making these decisions. Not direct, or middle, managers.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
You got played. You make less now. Especially after these last couple years. Everyone getting 1.5% means everyone gets paid less and less every year.
FiveShiftOne
It's honestly so funny, my frustrated boss was straight-up like "yeah I was basically told I was not allowed to give anyone really high ratings because we have to keep the raises down this year"
JustAnAverageGuy2288
I am a people manager at an American company that is in the top 20 of the Fortune 500. Appraisals are meaningless. On a 1-5 scale, we are told everyone should get a 3. No ones or fives are allowed. Very few fours are given, and twos should be on a PIP. Standard raise for a 3 is 3.3%. Standard raise for a 4 is 3.8%. In actual dollars, it’s a difference of less than $350/year, $30/month, $8 week for my team.
supershot5
We must work for the same company, absolutely brutal trying to motivate anyone to give their best when their best will still at best get them a 4 rating
JustAnAverageGuy2288
I agree 100%. I have a really strong team. I would put my people up against any other team in the company and most of my team would get 4’s or 5”s in comparison. It’s bad for you personal rating to be strong performer on a really good team, when being average on bad team gets you a higher rating and raise.
Elwendryll
A company that I worked for, they came to the conclusion that the performance reviews always showed a bell curve, so they preemptively asked manager to rank their teams with like 10% bottom, 90% average, 10% top. Before actually doing the reviews. And then you get no raise, a small raise, or a bigger raise. The fucked up part is that some teams do very good but still have to tell one dude they're getting nothing.
comacomacomacomachameleon
i joined a company that doesn't do this nonsense
HighSorcerer
That's not true, inflation was 3% so technically you can eat one less time each month.
Rubblebubble
You're lots of fun at parties aren't you?
HighSorcerer
I bet you're lots of fun at parties, too.
blaghart
remember folks, if you're not getting at least a 5% pay increase every year, you're technically taking a pay cut!
mrsparkle001
Evi1Gav
HighSorcerer
Exdeath5000
softspokensatan
that was a slap of reality