His adult daughter came and read Horton Hatches the Egg at my school when I was little in the 90s. I'm assuming she already lived in San Diego County since that's where her dad spent the last 50 years of his life.
Everything I ever got in contact with that had to do with that persons works I felt was whack as F! Never ever understood not even now in my old age what the supposed benefit of this person to society was.
Even if you don't enjoy his work which is totally subjective and fair enough, as a political cartoonist he actively campaigned against the rise of fascism in the US in the early 40's.
Seuss was his middle name, and he used it for his books. It follows the German pronunciation and rhymed with voice. However, he has been credited saying he didnt mind people pronounced it so it rhymed with Mother Goose.
This is one of those facts it makes me angry to know because there's no way to not be an asshole. Either you say it correctly and people think you're wrong or a total dork, or you knowingly mispronounce it in order to not sound like a dork, but in so doing, you are intentionally mispronouncing a name to shield yourself from judgement. It's like knowing the plural of Lego is Lego or that the bird is actually a "Canada goose" not a "Canadian goose." I just hate it.
Lego is actually never a noun referring to the product, bc that genercizes the trademark. It's always an adjective describing the brand of product, e.g, Lego brick, Lego pieces, Lego Set, etc. It's the same principle behind how the Otis Elevator Company lost their trademark on "Escalator" by using it as the term for moving staircases, instead of calling them Escalator moving staircases, leading the public to call all moving staircases escalators, regardless of brand
I feel the same way about Van Gogh. I know how to pronounce it but I don't want to sound like a pretentious twat, so it's a fight with myself every time.
He had a complicated life. He taught good morals. There is this internet spin that he cheated on his dying wife with cancer. But her letters to him before she die make it pretty clear she knew she was going to die and actively encouraged him to look for love even before she was gone....
I can read his books and appreciate that they taught me English and disagree with his views.
I need ideals to strive towards. If the good things are invalidated if the person was privately a tool, then there would be no ideals. Everyone either has dumb beliefs or jerks off to something weird.
You're falling into the "it's only controversial if I feel it is" trap.
If someone had never seen someone whose name included a noun, and someone commented associating with that noun - maybe the name Lemon, and they brought up lemonade - you KNOW that nobody would start bitching "waah stay on topic!"
Even though that would be even LESS on topic than this is.
And you know why - because it's not about relevance, it's about people being frightened by conflict.
Seuss was an awful person. I completely agree. What I'm tired of is people using every single mention of someone's name or photograph, or a book, etc. to make sure we all know how terrible that person was when we're trying to laugh at a funny meme. Remember laughter? Y'all have your brains so hardwired for outage. It's non-stop. If I state out loud that I like Harry Potter books, somebody in the world will have this huge compulsion to tell me how awful JK Rowling is. The books are still good.
Oh come on, lol. I don't have sympathy for people who struggle over hard questions regarding cheating scandals and the pathetic spiralling of Joanne. It's all been done worse, and by better.
Ask anyone in the victorian spec-fic or classic Weird communities hard questions and you're likely the one to leave uncomfortable, not the other way around! I love to see it, honestly.
Just answer these questions with what grace you can, as we all do. Because pretending it's not relevant doesn't work.
I bet you also hate when people point out that the person in the original "change my mind" meme was a terrible person, because "it has nothing to do with the meme"
Exactly so. A piece of shit is a piece of shit, and deserves to be called out for it.
If someone posts a still from Hercules The Legendary Journeys, I would expect at least some of the comments to be calling out Kevin Sorbo for being a piece of shit.
I usually see similar callouts about Mark Twain when his quotes are posted.
If Trump reveals a master plan that he secretly saved the planet from invading aliens by attacking Iran, I'd celebrate him for it while also being disgusted by his sexual preference and wanting him to face accountability for it.
You can do both. Its like attacking an argument because its illogical, not the person because you dont like him.
No, but thats not the situation we have with Dr Seuss anyway. Dr Seuss did something good and something bad. If Trump did the same Id be inclined to like the good things he did and not the bad ones
God forbid people fall out of the womb as anything less than paragons of virtue, as lazily judged by people 30+ years after their death. I sometimes worry that we evaluate historical figures like Christopher Columbus and Dr. Seuss on the same scale.
Universe forbid people have enough sense and dignity to live honestly with reality and admit to themselves who and what their childhood heroes were. You deserve drumpf.
Yes, but she also had been suffering for years of other ailments and depression and they couldn't have a physical relationship as he was basically just a care giver. She killed herself. Some think because of the affair, some think to alleviate his responsibilities.
This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. You can find rotten facts about pretty much anyone in history, but what do they mean? Do they add any relevant context for understanding that person and their life’s work? How does Dr. Seuss being a shitty husband fit into him being an author and illustrator? Or, can we just put that fact to the side, acknowledge it’s there, and move on?
How do you feel about bill Cosby and his rape vs his comedy? How much bad do you need to see from a person before you consider them a bad person compared to what they did?
It just becomes contradictory of his character, considering how in good faith is his work. It leaves a bad impression basically. But yeah, people can supposedly separate his work from his irl stuff.
Right. I thought it was obvious that I was saying it’s not fair to compare the two, as an example, because people tend to hold an “all or nothing” attitude toward historical figures. Columbus was a monster, Dr. Seuss was not.
Ah, yeah, I see that now. Guess I misinterpreted it more as grouping them as historical figures collectively rather than an example of historical figures who aren't on the same level. But, yeah, right there with you then. There are plenty of examples of atrocious people in the past who were products of the time and plenty who were monsters even in the past.
There is not absolutely no proof that his wife had cancer, that was fabricated in 2012 by a reddit post, she did battle some issues left from contracting polio as a child
Remember the Dara O'Brien bit where he mentions various baby animals, and the whole auditorium goes "aaaaw", even for baby crocodiles? And then he mentions baby humans, and everyone goes "meh". Not everyone needs to like kids, let alone be a fan of theirs. So, my kind of guy.
InitHello
You can't fool me, that's Theodor Geisel!
thegarts
I recently read he came up with the word nerd.
ArbokKai
Isn't this Sam Waterston?
hetnkik999
His adult daughter came and read Horton Hatches the Egg at my school when I was little in the 90s. I'm assuming she already lived in San Diego County since that's where her dad spent the last 50 years of his life.
hazelismycatdog
I thought it was Mr Rogers
drunkbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w2MTXBebg one of my favorite erb
Tjitso
I somehow always thought dr. Suess was a woman
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
WAT
simonsaysabunchofstuff
Looks like Sam Waterston
BloodyLance
Everything I ever got in contact with that had to do with that persons works I felt was whack as F!
Never ever understood not even now in my old age what the supposed benefit of this person to society was.
Skevoid
Even if you don't enjoy his work which is totally subjective and fair enough, as a political cartoonist he actively campaigned against the rise of fascism in the US in the early 40's.
UnoriginalPieceOfRepeatingShit
Looks like he worked at the svu
OceanCitySoul
Still more qualified on public health than RFK Jr.
SciFiGuy2018
Is that Inspector Lynley?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
....of the murder mysteries?
LerryV2
Isnt that the guy that cheated on his wife who had cancer
etherbunny41
He looks like if Robert De Niro and Alan Cummings had a baby.
HandoB4Javert
BeeziBee90
And raised by Mr. Roger’s
drw16
Til dr Seuss looks like John Oliver without glasses
khora
Without glasses most people look like John Oliver to me.
reichstein
Not really. John Oliver looks more different than you would expect when he's not wearing glasses.

Here is a pic of him without them. The difference is very striking.
/S
Knifep4rty
I see Robert deniro
Hashbrown123
DeNiro playing Sam Waterston.
manwithsevenlivers
With a little Kyle Chandler sprinkled on.
LogicalLimes
Totally Kyle Chandler.
MuffinProof
Does he get tomorrow's newspaper today?
pretzeldialectic
He's not actually that funny-looking.
chinesemario
Don't lie to me mate, that's Robert de nero
barbarian818
Obligatory: rhymes with "Joyce"
VaxxedCanadian
Seuss rhymes with voice
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Say what now?
Idontneedrealfacts
Seuss was his middle name, and he used it for his books. It follows the German pronunciation and rhymed with voice. However, he has been credited saying he didnt mind people pronounced it so it rhymed with Mother Goose.
CrabbyBlueberry
You’re wrong as the deuce
And you shouldn’t rejoice
If you’re calling him Seuss.
He pronounces it Soice.
PackratMagpie
bubblesuit24601
This is one of those facts it makes me angry to know because there's no way to not be an asshole. Either you say it correctly and people think you're wrong or a total dork, or you knowingly mispronounce it in order to not sound like a dork, but in so doing, you are intentionally mispronouncing a name to shield yourself from judgement. It's like knowing the plural of Lego is Lego or that the bird is actually a "Canada goose" not a "Canadian goose." I just hate it.
50m31AW
Lego is actually never a noun referring to the product, bc that genercizes the trademark. It's always an adjective describing the brand of product, e.g, Lego brick, Lego pieces, Lego Set, etc. It's the same principle behind how the Otis Elevator Company lost their trademark on "Escalator" by using it as the term for moving staircases, instead of calling them Escalator moving staircases, leading the public to call all moving staircases escalators, regardless of brand
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
It's a real Frankenstein's monster, if you will
mrsdowneyjr
Using the most common pronunciation is best. At some point it becomes "right" like "knife" or .. "right"
bubblesuit24601
Yeah but that does feel weird to do with a name
mrsdowneyjr
Totally. I was speaking French and said a family member's name and I felt like a news caster who speaks with a Midwestern accent until "Cuba"
bolobass
*Lego sets or lego bricks. Lego is just the brand name and does not pluralise.
So... Same
TheDreadPirateRobinSparkles
I feel the same way about Van Gogh. I know how to pronounce it but I don't want to sound like a pretentious twat, so it's a fight with myself every time.
bubblesuit24601
Ooh yes that's another good one
Mechwarrior719
He… was not exactly a good person.
chinesemario
There's a podcast called "do go on" where three Australian comedians that like reports on things that has an episode on him
BrickForAnOre
More like Dr. Sus
TrappedInABubbleGumFactory
Love the art, not the artist
Cptbluebeard7
They... never said he was
brcpo9
Don't worry, they banned (some of) his books.
Elonth
He had a complicated life. He taught good morals. There is this internet spin that he cheated on his dying wife with cancer. But her letters to him before she die make it pretty clear she knew she was going to die and actively encouraged him to look for love even before she was gone....
ProCycle
But he did give some good to the world
Rebatu
I can read his books and appreciate that they taught me English and disagree with his views.
I need ideals to strive towards. If the good things are invalidated if the person was privately a tool, then there would be no ideals.
Everyone either has dumb beliefs or jerks off to something weird.
mrsdowneyjr
He only started off bad
Sticklebrickk
Check out his dark hours gallery though
astrangehop
Oh no, he had an affair! Pure evil like MLK!
TheElliotPage
more like "bad, but not as bad as Trump"
JacaByte
I was thinking of the racist caricatures he drew during WWII but OK..
Mumalot
apparently Wife was dying of cancer and knew it... so her being selfless, encouraged him to seek out another Love.
MyFinalForm
What does that have to do with this picture? People cannot wait to express moral outrage jfc.
knotwingknot
You're falling into the "it's only controversial if I feel it is" trap.
If someone had never seen someone whose name included a noun, and someone commented associating with that noun - maybe the name Lemon, and they brought up lemonade - you KNOW that nobody would start bitching "waah stay on topic!"
Even though that would be even LESS on topic than this is.
And you know why - because it's not about relevance, it's about people being frightened by conflict.
So just say that. Be honest.
MyFinalForm
Seuss was an awful person. I completely agree. What I'm tired of is people using every single mention of someone's name or photograph, or a book, etc. to make sure we all know how terrible that person was when we're trying to laugh at a funny meme. Remember laughter? Y'all have your brains so hardwired for outage. It's non-stop. If I state out loud that I like Harry Potter books, somebody in the world will have this huge compulsion to tell me how awful JK Rowling is. The books are still good.
knotwingknot
Oh come on, lol. I don't have sympathy for people who struggle over hard questions regarding cheating scandals and the pathetic spiralling of Joanne. It's all been done worse, and by better.
Ask anyone in the victorian spec-fic or classic Weird communities hard questions and you're likely the one to leave uncomfortable, not the other way around! I love to see it, honestly.
Just answer these questions with what grace you can, as we all do. Because pretending it's not relevant doesn't work.
knotwingknot
Other options:
•commenting on something different entirely
•not commenting at all
•curling into the fetal position
•crying
•using the block feature as God intended
theshinobi23
I bet you also hate when people point out that the person in the original "change my mind" meme was a terrible person, because "it has nothing to do with the meme"
sundaymondayhippyday
Yeah that’ is exactly why people replaced him with better people in their updated memes
theshinobi23
Exactly so. A piece of shit is a piece of shit, and deserves to be called out for it.
If someone posts a still from Hercules The Legendary Journeys, I would expect at least some of the comments to be calling out Kevin Sorbo for being a piece of shit.
I usually see similar callouts about Mark Twain when his quotes are posted.
TheElliotPage
it's like how Trump just started a war to cover up the fact that he's still a pedophile. Outrage is a-okay.
MyFinalForm
He sure did
Dr. Seuss being a terrible person has nothing to do with the meme up above. It's about someone having never seen him before. Stay on topic.
styxthetrashbandit
If context is upsetting it doesn't make the context not important.
TheElliotPage
I have a habit of calling out anyone who deserves it. Can't help it.
sundaymondayhippyday
Same Pedophiles and misogyny be damned
Rebatu
If Trump reveals a master plan that he secretly saved the planet from invading aliens by attacking Iran, I'd celebrate him for it while also being disgusted by his sexual preference and wanting him to face accountability for it.
You can do both.
Its like attacking an argument because its illogical, not the person because you dont like him.
TheElliotPage
how about Trump attacking Iran for oil & killing US soldiers. What are you talking about??
Rebatu
No, but thats not the situation we have with Dr Seuss anyway.
Dr Seuss did something good and something bad.
If Trump did the same Id be inclined to like the good things he did and not the bad ones
psugab
It was complicated and he learned as he went
SerialChickenLover
God forbid people fall out of the womb as anything less than paragons of virtue, as lazily judged by people 30+ years after their death. I sometimes worry that we evaluate historical figures like Christopher Columbus and Dr. Seuss on the same scale.
Goldensands
Universe forbid people have enough sense and dignity to live honestly with reality and admit to themselves who and what their childhood heroes were. You deserve drumpf.
PosthumousExile
Didn't he cheat on his wife while she was fighting cancer?
psugab
Yes, but she also had been suffering for years of other ailments and depression and they couldn't have a physical relationship as he was basically just a care giver. She killed herself. Some think because of the affair, some think to alleviate his responsibilities.
SerialChickenLover
This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. You can find rotten facts about pretty much anyone in history, but what do they mean? Do they add any relevant context for understanding that person and their life’s work? How does Dr. Seuss being a shitty husband fit into him being an author and illustrator? Or, can we just put that fact to the side, acknowledge it’s there, and move on?
bamblebimble
How do you feel about bill Cosby and his rape vs his comedy? How much bad do you need to see from a person before you consider them a bad person compared to what they did?
MapleAwwShaper
It just becomes contradictory of his character, considering how in good faith is his work. It leaves a bad impression basically. But yeah, people can supposedly separate his work from his irl stuff.
katidragon
Christopher Columbus, by general modern consensus, was still pretty not okay for his time.
cgcit019
He was not OK for the people of their time either
DarkwingDuc
Yeah, that was clearly their point, and why they hope we don’t someone like on Seuss on the same scale.
SerialChickenLover
Right. I thought it was obvious that I was saying it’s not fair to compare the two, as an example, because people tend to hold an “all or nothing” attitude toward historical figures. Columbus was a monster, Dr. Seuss was not.
katidragon
Ah, yeah, I see that now. Guess I misinterpreted it more as grouping them as historical figures collectively rather than an example of historical figures who aren't on the same level. But, yeah, right there with you then. There are plenty of examples of atrocious people in the past who were products of the time and plenty who were monsters even in the past.
Sorrontis
you mean, he was a product of his time, and in his later years learned to change his views?
synfinitehell
Mechwarrior719
No as in he cheated on his dying wife with the woman he married while she was receiving cancer treatments.
Sorrontis
Aren't the currently adultary rates are still high? https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
shorey66
Snopes says that's partially true....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-seuss-affair-wife-suicide/
HeywouldJablowme
Are you sure you're not thinking of Newt Gingrich?
CorGoBrrrr
Oof. He just had to climb that Hill, huh?
Midgarmerc
You're getting downvoted by people that dont know why they're downvoting
Midgarmerc
There was a hole here. But it grew 3 sizes and it's gone now.
Notoom
Jesus christ what the fuck
DarkwingDuc
Source: Trust me, bro.
CeoHuntingSeason
There is not absolutely no proof that his wife had cancer, that was fabricated in 2012 by a reddit post, she did battle some issues left from contracting polio as a child
RyvaTheRenamon
Yeah ngl if i had that many different horrible diseases wrecking me at the same time i might just kill myself as well ngl.
orion1Maker
One Bitch, Two Bitch, Dead Bitch, New Bitch
SiameseDream
Dark
Imtoolazytothinkofaname
MireLurkKing
Sounds like the making of a good Dr. Seuss book.
50m31AW
"One bitch, two bitch, dead bitch, new bitch" is usually the joke about that whenever this topic comes up
Direkt4
"For waiting by my wife's side has been quite a slog, I think it may be time for a thot to jump on my hog"
sundaymondayhippyday
Not looking forward to the illustrations https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlbGcyN3Q4dHZodzQyY241cnZxcWp2bnh3M2dnamMxbzB4MzFqcXY1cCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ejD3fh6FK4gL0XDXeS/giphy.mp4
tylerlarson
He was very much not a fan of children and wanted nothing to do with kids in real life.
killerwhaleindisguise
I would rather see that than "liking" them too much.
sundaymondayhippyday
Oouch !
Ooofff!
Powwww!
That comment physically hurt … https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlcDkzMjExY2NzNjl0bGNsODNjNXFneWxhNGRqd2Vmd2h2Y243Y3lncyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/8eGmzZQ6PTCrH0HYMb/giphy.mp4
shitheadtookmyname
That doesn't make you bad.
Magpiebones
When you have children in your home it matters tho.
trigaranus
Remember the Dara O'Brien bit where he mentions various baby animals, and the whole auditorium goes "aaaaw", even for baby crocodiles? And then he mentions baby humans, and everyone goes "meh". Not everyone needs to like kids, let alone be a fan of theirs. So, my kind of guy.
sundaymondayhippyday
But a non-fan of course will still look out for them….
Sometimes you have to remind people unfortunately.
You know current disgraceful climate and all.
MeToo- ReleaseTheFiles-MarryChildren-FemaleBody4Breeding….
NotSomoneElse68
But he wrote children's books.
Semphir
To keep kids busy and away from him
NotSomoneElse68
I was just pointing out the irony