"... when you wake up in the morning angry and complaining for no reason, always remember that being born in the right place in the world is just a matter of luck... " (Andrea Cardello). This just makes me sad.
It does go to show what garbage we really are as a whole. Otherwise, we would fight wars to ensure everyone’s needs are met, not for whatever bullshit greedy reason we fight wars for now. There’s no reason at all for anyone to be without basic needs. Really makes you wonder, given what trash we are, if you were given the option would you just wipe out humanity? Correct the mistake from within?
Then again that squat form is amazing. I couldnt squat that well and what squat i can do i coild only hold for a minute. Mind you, im also not being shelled or having terrorists dig under my house.
Wish we could somehow do a test for the “F off, i got mine!” type gene in people early enough in life to medically sterilize them. Or an empathy gene test - fail, no kids ever. Need to cut out this insane selfishness that has existed in a subset of humanity since we start tracking time
Comeon stop being whiny liberals. She has an ice coffee or some shit so clearly she's got money. She doesn't need help, she can just go get food from the fridge if she's hungry. - conservatives
The trouble is this problem stems back to the original creation of the Israeli state, and the rest of the world has just been burying its head in the sand is Israel takes more and more land from the people that belongs to. Without a two-state solution, there isn't going to be a solution to the violence.
My grandfather emigrated to the US from Ireland and(long story) was confronted with overt racism against black people. He said this(famous in my family) line- You think the accident of your birth makes you better? You claim a thing that's not yours and destroy a place that is? You're the worst accident
Your life experience is only relative to your own world experience. You are well aware that people have it much worse than you, but that doesn't reduce the magnitude of your struggles in the context of your life. We should be mindful that anyone could be suffering and not judge the reasons why.
I feel like this could be classist or culture shaming. It’s rude of us to assume these people have a horrible life based on a single photo without context
It looks like a refugee camp. I know for a fact that people can still find good things in their lives and be happy while living in such conditions (gratitude for being there and alive rather than in the middle of a warzone helps with that), but it doesn't negate the fact that it's REALLY hard and everyone there is traumatised.
If you know anything about that show, you know it’s absolutely not a coincidence. You also know it’s one of the more subtle innuendos. Because they usually didn’t bother with the subtleties of innuendo. It was great.
Please don't play the "you have nothing to complain about" game. It's the same as "you don't know what hot/cold really is" when people in a different climate are sick/dying in temps you consider common. Everything is relative, and you can still know other people have it WAY worse while you're going thru something minor in comparison. This tactic just adds to guilt & shame. As long as you live your privileged life being aware and helping where you can, you're ok. Your negative feelings count.
It's like when you may moan about something and people respond with "there are people starving in X country". You can't invalidate someone's suffering using that argument, otherwise only 1 person on the planet could complain.
Nah. The fact that people take quotes like these the way you are is to me exactly exemplary of what to avoid. “Stop telling me that my water heater being broken isn’t as bad as having half my family bombed.” The quote is about being mindful of your privilege and putting things into perspective. It’s not about telling you that you shouldn’t be upset about your water heater being broken.
Even those places are better then like shitty Mexico parts or Africa. I find it odd that they think America is so bad when you could literally be fighting for food, looking like a skeleton and bugs even crawling on you and you just don't have the energy. All places have there bad parts though
I have a "Christian" friend who was ranting about Muslims in Pakistan. I mentioned that he would be Muslim too had he been born there. He didn't know what to say at first but then started denying that I was right.
yep but i also want to clesrify that even when ruzzia is bombing us (which is every fucking day STILL) I still read memes bc I still have Internet connection thankfully. it's just a distraction to not lose your mind completely... although I can't watch movies and read any books
It's a Hamas recruitment centre because what other realistic options do they have? Israel ain't letting go anytime soon, and people will live their whole lives in a hopeless ghetto.
I get why Israel is scared - "from the river to the sea" and all that - but they have become the same thing that tried to eradicate them in the 40s.
It's not just about realistic options, it's also about the fact that Israel has taken away everything from them. Imagine if, tomorrow, someone said "God told me to burn down your house with everything you own in it, including your family" so they did exactly that, and the Government sided with them, in fact they built them a nice new house where yours used to be. What would you do? Wouldn't you want revenge?
Actually, every individual in that picture was found to be a member of Hamas, concluded shortly after the IOF bombed them, they also found out that they're only sitting there to hide the hatch to the underground hamas branch HQ that they're in charge of.
100%. People do have it worse out there. -HOWEVER- That does not invalidate your personal struggles. Shit is rough out there, youre not always at fault for having a bad time.
it doesn't invalidate your feelings, but it should be a part of your consideration. Even just selfishly, self-awareness can be part of the process of feeling better, and it can help with managing the perception of others and how that perception then affects your feelings. And of course, sometimes the solutions to your own woes are found by looking outward.
For example, we all hate rich kids squabbling over their inheritances. Those are real feelings they're feeling, not invalidated by perspective, but perspective will help them place the source and figure out other solutions than fighting over whatever's right in front of them. Your feelings may not be invalid, but acting on them can still be shitty.
I’m British, I’m not proud to be British, but holy moly am I ever grateful that I’m British. We do nothing but moan and complain, but we have some of the very best living conditions in the world. We have no war, no natural disasters, no famine or hunger. An overworked but pretty good healthcare system that’s available to all. Is life difficult sometimes? Of course it is, but maybe we’re so fortunate that we don’t know what difficult really is.
No hunger or famine? Tell that to the millions of people who are food insecure every year, or to the thousands of homeless people forced to go without food or shelter. Tell that to trans or disabled people forced to go without vital lifesaving care because of the government's systematic dismantling of the NHS. On average, sure, the typical Brit has it pretty good, especially compared to most, but to pretend we have *no* problems like the ones you describe is pretty disingenuous
Like, absolutely it's true that even those within those oppressed groups have certain privileges over lots of others in the world, but I've had too many friends die needless deaths on years-long waiting lists, be forced to live in crippling pain and poverty, or go multiple days at a time without food whilst the government gives out billions to their rich mates to be willing to accept the statement that there is no hunger or that "everyone has access to healthcare" in this country.
It annoys the hell out of me because that was the tactic used by people to excuse inaction and in some case prevent people from getting help they need. Fuck people who go "but some people have it worse",
It also annoys me because that was "mom's" favorite line anytime me or my siblings begged her to stop screaming and cussing us out. Or threatening us 1000 ways to Sunday. Just because "mom's" stepmom allegedly hit her, she swears we can't possibly figure out what abuse is. And "mom's" bullshit alone has made 2 of the 3 of us suicidal, and at least 2 thirds of the entire family won't speak to her. "Mom" never did break contact with her stepmom and dad, either. Just outlived them.
Yep, I love that I patched up things with my mom recently (took living on the other side of the planet). I started therapy recently, psychologist tests me for complex PTSD. Told my mom and she immediately defaulted to "I had a rougher childhood than you" type thing. I just went "Sure, okay mom, maybe you need therapy, too. It's not a competition, it's a cry for help" She told me she'll think about it. I'm struggling with how someone can hold on to their trauma until they're in their mid 60s
It seems to be a complex thing. Knee-jerk reaction to other people getting the help that they needed and never did. It could be because the world told them that even though they were hurting they were fine, it wasn't a big deal, get on with it - and now other people having acknowledgement that suffering isn't fine, that could feel like being told they weren't worth it, it didn't matter that they were hurting, so it hurts more to see other people told they are worth it and their pain matters.
It could also be part of denial that what they went through was traumatic, denial maybe being a self-preservation mechanism, maybe for various reasons but I know once you realise that you are not in fact fine, that can really throw you, especially if you don't have (or don't feel like you have) any support to work through it.
^100% this. Perspective is valuable, but somebody else having a worse lot in life doesn’t invalidate your issues. Suffering isn’t a competition and sorrow isn’t a zero sum game.
The way I've propagated this message is "telling someone to 'suck it up' because many people have it worse than them is no different than telling someone to stop being happy because many people have it better."
There's no profit in that. So most people have to suffer so a handful of tiny little pig men at the top can pile up more and more money that they don't need and will never spend.
All monetary systems (all isms you know) are failed attempts at civilized society that have politics, poverty and war. The only blueprint for a socio-economic system that aims to go beyond that is called https://www.ResourceBasedEconomy.org Please educate yourself and others to increase the probability of it actually happening in the future. Additionally you can support the automation of food, shelter and education.
But that wouldn't be profitable, so we don't do it. To quote the late Kurt Vonnegut, "We're going to be the only society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective."
As a collective species we have the necessary resources to take care of everyone. As a particular class of that species, we don't have the necessary resources to change things in order to take care of everyone. The upper class is your enemy, always has been, always will be.
The world has become better. Living standards have been improving for everyone all over the globe. But yes we could have a paradise if people were not greedy as fuck and exploit everyone else. CEOs, members of the board, stockholders etc provide no service. It is literally controlling the production and actual manufacturing by having money. If everyone not in management in a company went together they could purchase everything needed to create the company and produce without them.
But the rich hold the most of the means to make things right. If it doesn't earn them money from solving that problem, it will never be fixed. Elon musk would burn this world to the ground if it meant being the first trillionaire.
I think a bigger horror is that the powers that exist maintain a political and economic interest in ensuring that things don't remain right for most, and those of us that live in those powerful and "privileged" nations are all fundamentally complicit in that status quo, and yet we prefer to distance ourselves from that reality or convince ourselves that it's not a consequence but a cause (we have the means to make things right; rather, we have the means to stop making things wrong) mainly
Everybody except Bibi and his fascists, the traumatized mass-murderers of Hamas, and the oligarchs & governments in the West and Middle East supporting both of them. They're pretty happy with the way things are, so long as Palestinians and Israelis, respectively, keep suffering & dying.
false. with all due respect. world doesn't change in two shails of a lambs tail. things change slowly in democracy. BUT they DO change. it is still far better than dictatorship.
This is what you get when you let capitalism run the world which results in countries with a lot of resources being exploited for those in the rich countries.
If you pick a cold isolated place like new Zealand or Iceland...and stop people entering. You are fine for 100 years when they will become tropical paradises
Eventually there will be nothing left to be fucked at all. So why not make what we have now the best we can in this moment going forward? Humanity will not survive eternity. And not for any failing on our part either. Everything, all matter, all time, will end.
"Being fucked" is a spectrum, not a switch. Even climate change is about reducing harm and extending time. We could save millions of lives for each .1C change that we can head off for the next hundred years. We won't save everyone nor fix the entire world, because we have fucked things up and not acted sooner; but the reality is that we can still make it better than it would be if we stick to business as usual. This fatalism is working to support those who would destroy the planet for profits.
In a way you have a point. I guess my comment sounded like fatalism, something I don't really want to support. I'm a person who separates the cap and foil from a plastic milk bottle.
Yeah even if we ARE fucked, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care or try to improve. Throwing your hands up and not trying anything is the worst thing you could do. Actually, the worst thing you could do would be to then promote your attitude and cause others to do the same. So even if you think that way, keep it to yourself, don’t spread your defeat.
The extreme poverty rate has fallen from 80% to 10% in the last 200 years. The reason it doesn't feel like it (besides media) is each innovation leads to more people: a 400% boom just in the last century. There will be another 25% by 2050: that's 6 Americas, 5 Europes, or 1.5 Chinas or Africas. Babies come faster than infrastructure for them, which leads to suffering. If we want to shift from perpetual triage and catch-up mode, we should focus on improving lives, not making them.
The last 40 years the poverty rate declined really fast along with population growth. Population growth rate will be negative before this century is over. We are heading in a positive direction on this.
This is interesting because it seems clear that the broad message has recently made a dramatic 180° change.
It went from doom and gloom overpopulation for decades to all of a sudden population collapse. Primarily in first world nations.
I haven't seen any hard data on this topic in quite a few years. I was rather surprised when I first started hearing this new message. Like so many things driven by modern media, everything seems suspicious anymore. The post truth dystopia is real.
Eugenics and planned, controlled contraception is actually a good thing for society, the biggest downside is it always, always, ALWAYS gets used by fucking nazis, fascists, racists, and elitists to control perceived undesirables. Figure out how to prevent that and the world truly will become perfect.
The world will never become truly perfect. Eugenics or no eugenics, it doesn't matter. We could even reach the technological level to become a post-scarcity civilization. Still wouldn't be perfect. Human beings are inherently flawed creatures. We possess the imagination to envision utopian societies, but we don't have the mental and emotional capacity to live in them.
But that will fundamentally require the dissolution of religion. No other collective has spent as much time, effort and money fighting good change than them, not even the capitalists who are at least in favor of good that directly benefits them, the religious are opposed to even that.
It wasn’t long ago that Jews and Muslims co-existed peacefully and respected each others right to live. So we know it’s not religion that causes this. What causes it is intelligent people stop trying to contain the stupid and rile them up into believing they have supremacy over others. We’re all paying the price for Cheeto-face riling up the very stupid to the point where they are totally comfortable broadcasting their mental deficiencies for all to see.
Religion is a comfortable scapegoat so people don't have to acknowledge that the source of it is PEOPLE. Remove religion, and they'll find another cudgel to use.
Not in my lifetime. Different religious movements within one sect or another have spurred the violence I have witnessed. Historically, the three Abrahamic religions can't get along for long. Cain v. Able. Abraham cast out Hagar. Jericho? Hell, Christianity started because Jewish religious groups were fighting each other. Xtian v. xtian, xtian v. Islam, and so on and so on.. They are filled with gullible people who believe in myths and fantasies. Religions built on violence beget more violence.
alejandro999
I am that baby in the box
Kinetic342
It does go to show what garbage we really are as a whole. Otherwise, we would fight wars to ensure everyone’s needs are met, not for whatever bullshit greedy reason we fight wars for now. There’s no reason at all for anyone to be without basic needs. Really makes you wonder, given what trash we are, if you were given the option would you just wipe out humanity? Correct the mistake from within?
NePb
what bright eyes. this child doesnt know of all the things wrong surrounding it. just that someone is near it, looking at it. it looks back.
MuttleyMutterson
Then again that squat form is amazing. I couldnt squat that well and what squat i can do i coild only hold for a minute. Mind you, im also not being shelled or having terrorists dig under my house.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
yeah, this just makes things worse. Thanks
whooshy
Most people don't know what suffering is. But to the ones that do... I'm sorry, you didn't deserve that. I hope things are better now
trinxter
Scrolling down was a shock.
pumper
There's always someone having it worse than you. Does that mean than only one person on the planet can complain about their life at any time?
heerobya
Wish we could somehow do a test for the “F off, i got mine!” type gene in people early enough in life to medically sterilize them. Or an empathy gene test - fail, no kids ever. Need to cut out this insane selfishness that has existed in a subset of humanity since we start tracking time
memedrift2410
We can. Did you vote Republican? Odds are pretty damn good. Do you plan to vote Republican this year? Done deal. No kids for you.
thanthanthan
She could afford a house if she didn't buy that 5 dollar coffee.
wadenelson
Avocado toast does it every time.
mnt18012
Cool box fort
eastend666
The timing on this is perfect. I don't feel 100% today. This reminds me of how lucky I am.
darkstarmc
Comeon stop being whiny liberals. She has an ice coffee or some shit so clearly she's got money. She doesn't need help, she can just go get food from the fridge if she's hungry. - conservatives
bigmrt
Jesus. Powerful!
sixtimesaday
I am so insanely lucky. But i can't enjoy it because, It's gut wrenching to see other people didn't have that same luck.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
No child should suffer like this, no people should suffer like this in the name of petty shit like religion.
thatwoodguy
The trouble is this problem stems back to the original creation of the Israeli state, and the rest of the world has just been burying its head in the sand is Israel takes more and more land from the people that belongs to. Without a two-state solution, there isn't going to be a solution to the violence.
Bystandr
If governments wouldnt care about your appearance, religion or hanging onto power, we could probably get a bit more done.
cereza570
My grandfather emigrated to the US from Ireland and(long story) was confronted with overt racism against black people. He said this(famous in my family) line- You think the accident of your birth makes you better? You claim a thing that's not yours and destroy a place that is? You're the worst accident
Gatorjon
Your life experience is only relative to your own world experience. You are well aware that people have it much worse than you, but that doesn't reduce the magnitude of your struggles in the context of your life. We should be mindful that anyone could be suffering and not judge the reasons why.
meganical
I feel like this could be classist or culture shaming. It’s rude of us to assume these people have a horrible life based on a single photo without context
RunawaySpoons
It looks like a refugee camp. I know for a fact that people can still find good things in their lives and be happy while living in such conditions (gratitude for being there and alive rather than in the middle of a warzone helps with that), but it doesn't negate the fact that it's REALLY hard and everyone there is traumatised.
fudgycurmudgeon
You almost have a point, but assuming that mother prefers to bed her child in a cardboard box is idiotic.
cellfreeDNA
It’s a baby in a box on the ground outside. It’s not great.
DukeSamuelVimes
Fucking hell, this thread really highlights what's wrong with the world.
duktayp
Lexx ... Destroy this planet
kitskinner19538
A rare reference!
SwampGypsy
Looks like a fucking wingless dragonfly.
raifsevrence
Because, innuendo aside, that's exactly what it is...
IMGURdianangel
https://youtu.be/wYoq6sovr8Y?si=2rfL3bi3rWigPjca
SoftKleenex
That looks like.... Two balls!
paynoattentiontousernames
It was very fitting for that show
lordofthegoats
You're not familiar with Lexx I take it heh. The ship lands shaft first and the less said about the washroom the better.
Gelaticat
If you know anything about that show, you know it’s absolutely not a coincidence. You also know it’s one of the more subtle innuendos. Because they usually didn’t bother with the subtleties of innuendo. It was great.
wereallwronghere
Please don't play the "you have nothing to complain about" game. It's the same as "you don't know what hot/cold really is" when people in a different climate are sick/dying in temps you consider common. Everything is relative, and you can still know other people have it WAY worse while you're going thru something minor in comparison. This tactic just adds to guilt & shame. As long as you live your privileged life being aware and helping where you can, you're ok. Your negative feelings count.
kathlTvVillain
It's the : I'm alright attitude ! World.
KipperFillets
It's like when you may moan about something and people respond with "there are people starving in X country". You can't invalidate someone's suffering using that argument, otherwise only 1 person on the planet could complain.
enotrevo
I don't interpret OP that way at all. It's not about invalidating anybody's suffering. It's about reminding ourselves about the positives.
chameleon102
Ditto - don't ignore your problems but it's useful to contextualise them
sandwiches
Nah. The fact that people take quotes like these the way you are is to me exactly exemplary of what to avoid. “Stop telling me that my water heater being broken isn’t as bad as having half my family bombed.” The quote is about being mindful of your privilege and putting things into perspective. It’s not about telling you that you shouldn’t be upset about your water heater being broken.
dizzyturtle
I see people always complaining about America and often think how much higher the odds are of being born in places like China or India.
chichiFregiLover
it is correct that people that complain a lot nowadays are living in democracies. they don't get the chance they have to be living where they live
SmilinSloth
Even those places are better then like shitty Mexico parts or Africa. I find it odd that they think America is so bad when you could literally be fighting for food, looking like a skeleton and bugs even crawling on you and you just don't have the energy. All places have there bad parts though
BargainHunt3r
I rather live in India or China than America. I don't want to be middle class and a slave.
BrdCdn
So you'd rather be poor and a slave?
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Plenty of people living happy, healthy lives in both those countries.
TheAsscrackBandito
Nothing wrong being born in India or China - better healthcare/education if you are middle class and no guns
jesefex
I was just thinking about this, this morning as I was cooking. One day, it will be America's turn. We are so greedy.
kujo55kj918
I have a "Christian" friend who was ranting about Muslims in Pakistan. I mentioned that he would be Muslim too had he been born there. He didn't know what to say at first but then started denying that I was right.
YouAreTheInsultMaster
Amazing
Gayforbae
I mean, would you be you if you were born somewhere else?
kujo55kj918
Chances are that I would be whatever the predominant religion is in that country and that my parents were. Unless I got lucky and they were Atheist.
Gayforbae
But would that be you? Your upbringing, religious or not, shapes who you are, so would you even have the same identity or sense of self?
stronomer
The amount of fucking privilege needed just to be able to read memes on this site.
lovemetenderlovemesweet
yep but i also want to clesrify that even when ruzzia is bombing us (which is every fucking day STILL) I still read memes bc I still have Internet connection thankfully. it's just a distraction to not lose your mind completely... although I can't watch movies and read any books
chicharrone
❤️ Palestinian refugee camp 🙏
chicharrone
5.9 MILLION Palestinian refugees around the world https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/palestinians-make-up-world-s-largest-refugee-population/1179770
Zobbie
Or...Hamas recruitment centre
AlGoonie
That's found at Beit Aghion
chameleon102
It's a Hamas recruitment centre because what other realistic options do they have? Israel ain't letting go anytime soon, and people will live their whole lives in a hopeless ghetto.
I get why Israel is scared - "from the river to the sea" and all that - but they have become the same thing that tried to eradicate them in the 40s.
SoberAndBored
It's not just about realistic options, it's also about the fact that Israel has taken away everything from them. Imagine if, tomorrow, someone said "God told me to burn down your house with everything you own in it, including your family" so they did exactly that, and the Government sided with them, in fact they built them a nice new house where yours used to be. What would you do? Wouldn't you want revenge?
DukeSamuelVimes
Actually, every individual in that picture was found to be a member of Hamas, concluded shortly after the IOF bombed them, they also found out that they're only sitting there to hide the hatch to the underground hamas branch HQ that they're in charge of.
BigDumbGinger
You missed the /s, which is required for some
Zobbie
Yeah thanks, that would have helped some people
DustyMcKnuckles
100%. People do have it worse out there.
-HOWEVER-
That does not invalidate your personal struggles. Shit is rough out there, youre not always at fault for having a bad time.
geekykeycap
Suffering is relative.
slinkydust
Unless you're born rich or into a monarchy. Bro, come on, you're fucking everything up!
KaptainObveeus
ITS NOT A COMPETITION
NickRivieraMD
it doesn't invalidate your feelings, but it should be a part of your consideration. Even just selfishly, self-awareness can be part of the process of feeling better, and it can help with managing the perception of others and how that perception then affects your feelings. And of course, sometimes the solutions to your own woes are found by looking outward.
NickRivieraMD
For example, we all hate rich kids squabbling over their inheritances. Those are real feelings they're feeling, not invalidated by perspective, but perspective will help them place the source and figure out other solutions than fighting over whatever's right in front of them. Your feelings may not be invalid, but acting on them can still be shitty.
Zobbie
Just don't celebrate your good fortune by making five more children
youreathing
Yep. I know people that try to out-sad each other all of the time. Stupidest contest ever.
Myrealnameisunusual
When my wife was dying of cancer, her friend came round and was complaining about how hard it was to synch her new phone with her new car.
Sometimes, just shut the fuck up.
RunawaySpoons
This. Perspective is good, but feeling obligated to pretend your struggles aren't difficult is a surefire way to unnecessarily make everything worse.
iDrawStuff
It's all relative. And, man. Let me tell you. My relatives are fuckers.
Shoutrr
some people take this as a competition, you know the kind, if you said you didn't sleep well, they'll say they didn't sleep AT ALL.
DarkRedCape
I’m British, I’m not proud to be British, but holy moly am I ever grateful that I’m British. We do nothing but moan and complain, but we have some of the very best living conditions in the world. We have no war, no natural disasters, no famine or hunger. An overworked but pretty good healthcare system that’s available to all. Is life difficult sometimes? Of course it is, but maybe we’re so fortunate that we don’t know what difficult really is.
dingofdong
No hunger or famine? Tell that to the millions of people who are food insecure every year, or to the thousands of homeless people forced to go without food or shelter. Tell that to trans or disabled people forced to go without vital lifesaving care because of the government's systematic dismantling of the NHS. On average, sure, the typical Brit has it pretty good, especially compared to most, but to pretend we have *no* problems like the ones you describe is pretty disingenuous
dingofdong
Like, absolutely it's true that even those within those oppressed groups have certain privileges over lots of others in the world, but I've had too many friends die needless deaths on years-long waiting lists, be forced to live in crippling pain and poverty, or go multiple days at a time without food whilst the government gives out billions to their rich mates to be willing to accept the statement that there is no hunger or that "everyone has access to healthcare" in this country.
smegheadenergy
And you have amazing curry vindaloo
DarkRedCape
It’s pretty damn good
DukeSamuelVimes
Man, this thread is dystopian as shit.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
It annoys the hell out of me because that was the tactic used by people to excuse inaction and in some case prevent people from getting help they need. Fuck people who go "but some people have it worse",
MenstrualWaterBalloons
It also annoys me because that was "mom's" favorite line anytime me or my siblings begged her to stop screaming and cussing us out. Or threatening us 1000 ways to Sunday. Just because "mom's" stepmom allegedly hit her, she swears we can't possibly figure out what abuse is. And "mom's" bullshit alone has made 2 of the 3 of us suicidal, and at least 2 thirds of the entire family won't speak to her. "Mom" never did break contact with her stepmom and dad, either. Just outlived them.
kibbypie
I got told she couldn’t possibly be abusing me, because she was a victim of abuse.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Yep, I love that I patched up things with my mom recently (took living on the other side of the planet). I started therapy recently, psychologist tests me for complex PTSD. Told my mom and she immediately defaulted to "I had a rougher childhood than you" type thing. I just went "Sure, okay mom, maybe you need therapy, too. It's not a competition, it's a cry for help" She told me she'll think about it. I'm struggling with how someone can hold on to their trauma until they're in their mid 60s
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
I'm glad that these days at least she listens and I have a few theories on why that is.
RunawaySpoons
It seems to be a complex thing. Knee-jerk reaction to other people getting the help that they needed and never did. It could be because the world told them that even though they were hurting they were fine, it wasn't a big deal, get on with it - and now other people having acknowledgement that suffering isn't fine, that could feel like being told they weren't worth it, it didn't matter that they were hurting, so it hurts more to see other people told they are worth it and their pain matters.
RunawaySpoons
It could also be part of denial that what they went through was traumatic, denial maybe being a self-preservation mechanism, maybe for various reasons but I know once you realise that you are not in fact fine, that can really throw you, especially if you don't have (or don't feel like you have) any support to work through it.
tomatoboy
^100% this. Perspective is valuable, but somebody else having a worse lot in life doesn’t invalidate your issues. Suffering isn’t a competition and sorrow isn’t a zero sum game.
billstranger
The way I've propagated this message is "telling someone to 'suck it up' because many people have it worse than them is no different than telling someone to stop being happy because many people have it better."
pyaremohan
The bigger tragedy is that we actually have the means and knowledge to make things right for everybody.
whitebbwolf
DrankTooMuchMead
It's awareness not everyone has. So many people go through life asleep and not caring/knowing how hard they make life for everyone else.
Jimmytheeel
We don't actually have the means. That requires will to use it
dingybasement350
There's no profit in that. So most people have to suffer so a handful of tiny little pig men at the top can pile up more and more money that they don't need and will never spend.
Utopist
All monetary systems (all isms you know) are failed attempts at civilized society that have politics, poverty and war. The only blueprint for a socio-economic system that aims to go beyond that is called https://www.ResourceBasedEconomy.org Please educate yourself and others to increase the probability of it actually happening in the future. Additionally you can support the automation of food, shelter and education.
SavageDrums
Yeah, but it's way better that 400 people live like super-ultra-mega kings.........
Shaodyn
But that wouldn't be profitable, so we don't do it. To quote the late Kurt Vonnegut, "We're going to be the only society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective."
MileysVirus
The trick is to make renewables more profitable than the other option
TsubakiTragic
That's not a tragedy.. that's criminal intent to subjugate those of a different colour/religion to ourselves, whoever "ourselves" may be.
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
As a collective species we have the necessary resources to take care of everyone. As a particular class of that species, we don't have the necessary resources to change things in order to take care of everyone. The upper class is your enemy, always has been, always will be.
MasterMookie
The world has become better. Living standards have been improving for everyone all over the globe. But yes we could have a paradise if people were not greedy as fuck and exploit everyone else. CEOs, members of the board, stockholders etc provide no service. It is literally controlling the production and actual manufacturing by having money. If everyone not in management in a company went together they could purchase everything needed to create the company and produce without them.
Crazycoke1994
But the rich hold the most of the means to make things right. If it doesn't earn them money from solving that problem, it will never be fixed. Elon musk would burn this world to the ground if it meant being the first trillionaire.
TheBluntSoldier
Why solve problems when we can pump out new iPhones every year?
StellaMatutina
Not while the title of Meme Maestro still eludes ol Musky
DukeSamuelVimes
I think a bigger horror is that the powers that exist maintain a political and economic interest in ensuring that things don't remain right for most, and those of us that live in those powerful and "privileged" nations are all fundamentally complicit in that status quo, and yet we prefer to distance ourselves from that reality or convince ourselves that it's not a consequence but a cause (we have the means to make things right; rather, we have the means to stop making things wrong) mainly
DukeSamuelVimes
because it's far less comfortable to live with that reality or take on the inconvenient obligation that accepting that reality requisites.
or0b0ur0s
Everybody except Bibi and his fascists, the traumatized mass-murderers of Hamas, and the oligarchs & governments in the West and Middle East supporting both of them. They're pretty happy with the way things are, so long as Palestinians and Israelis, respectively, keep suffering & dying.
chichiFregiLover
false. with all due respect. world doesn't change in two shails of a lambs tail. things change slowly in democracy. BUT they DO change. it is still far better than dictatorship.
chichiFregiLover
because this is what you get when you make the revolution
Raikupath
This is what you get when you let capitalism run the world which results in countries with a lot of resources being exploited for those in the rich countries.
preventerfire
eventide215
Then get out there and do it. Stop being an internet warrior.
SlickWithaLimerick
There's always one asshole who comments shit like this. What are you adding to the conversation? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
eventide215
What did you add? Absolutely nothing.
spitfires2000
If we would have done what Al Gore said we should do 20 years BEFORE Al Gore said it then: yes. Now: no. We're ALL fucked.
ProfessorDumbass
If you pick a cold isolated place like new Zealand or Iceland...and stop people entering. You are fine for 100 years when they will become tropical paradises
DahPrincess
Eventually there will be nothing left to be fucked at all. So why not make what we have now the best we can in this moment going forward? Humanity will not survive eternity. And not for any failing on our part either. Everything, all matter, all time, will end.
MileysVirus
Ok nietzsche
freshthrowaway1138
"Being fucked" is a spectrum, not a switch. Even climate change is about reducing harm and extending time. We could save millions of lives for each .1C change that we can head off for the next hundred years. We won't save everyone nor fix the entire world, because we have fucked things up and not acted sooner; but the reality is that we can still make it better than it would be if we stick to business as usual. This fatalism is working to support those who would destroy the planet for profits.
spitfires2000
In a way you have a point. I guess my comment sounded like fatalism, something I don't really want to support. I'm a person who separates the cap and foil from a plastic milk bottle.
BigOrangeCats
Yeah even if we ARE fucked, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care or try to improve. Throwing your hands up and not trying anything is the worst thing you could do. Actually, the worst thing you could do would be to then promote your attitude and cause others to do the same. So even if you think that way, keep it to yourself, don’t spread your defeat.
temporarilyhuman
The extreme poverty rate has fallen from 80% to 10% in the last 200 years. The reason it doesn't feel like it (besides media) is each innovation leads to more people: a 400% boom just in the last century. There will be another 25% by 2050: that's 6 Americas, 5 Europes, or 1.5 Chinas or Africas. Babies come faster than infrastructure for them, which leads to suffering. If we want to shift from perpetual triage and catch-up mode, we should focus on improving lives, not making them.
MrMuchoMachoMan
The last 40 years the poverty rate declined really fast along with population growth. Population growth rate will be negative before this century is over. We are heading in a positive direction on this.
Nengex
Part of me wonders how exactly we quantified what was and wasn't poverty before people were forced to adopt a coinage system.
echoawoo
Access to food, housing, and clothing. The same primary criteria as today, only without it being abstracted into a currency.
SyntheticReindeer
"But muh armies" Putin/s
Mechlai
Tell that to the US government
raifsevrence
This is interesting because it seems clear that the broad message has recently made a dramatic 180° change.
It went from doom and gloom overpopulation for decades to all of a sudden population collapse. Primarily in first world nations.
I haven't seen any hard data on this topic in quite a few years. I was rather surprised when I first started hearing this new message. Like so many things driven by modern media, everything seems suspicious anymore. The post truth dystopia is real.
rbudrick
But who will labor for the billionaires?
MandalorianFromMandalore
Eugenics and planned, controlled contraception is actually a good thing for society, the biggest downside is it always, always, ALWAYS gets used by fucking nazis, fascists, racists, and elitists to control perceived undesirables. Figure out how to prevent that and the world truly will become perfect.
raifsevrence
The world will never become truly perfect. Eugenics or no eugenics, it doesn't matter. We could even reach the technological level to become a post-scarcity civilization. Still wouldn't be perfect. Human beings are inherently flawed creatures. We possess the imagination to envision utopian societies, but we don't have the mental and emotional capacity to live in them.
echoawoo
Eugenics is not good.
OmnipotentBeing
We should also consider reigning in the political power of billionaires, before they become trillionaires.
Hammerwell
Making babies not comming faster would also help. We're 8 billions already. No need to make more.
MileysVirus
echoawoo
But that will fundamentally require the dissolution of religion. No other collective has spent as much time, effort and money fighting good change than them, not even the capitalists who are at least in favor of good that directly benefits them, the religious are opposed to even that.
echoawoo
And it's not even a new phenomenon.. religion has been doing this since the very beginning. All they know how to do is destroy and call it God's work.
ChrisTheEarthenoid
It wasn’t long ago that Jews and Muslims co-existed peacefully and respected each others right to live.
So we know it’s not religion that causes this.
What causes it is intelligent people stop trying to contain the stupid and rile them up into believing they have supremacy over others.
We’re all paying the price for Cheeto-face riling up the very stupid to the point where they are totally comfortable broadcasting their mental deficiencies for all to see.
4etherling
Religion is a good indicator of stupid though. You have to be a moron to believe the nonsense and the con men.
LuminoZero
Religion is a comfortable scapegoat so people don't have to acknowledge that the source of it is PEOPLE. Remove religion, and they'll find another cudgel to use.
echoawoo
Religion is more of a binding of cudgels, allowing multiple individual cudgels to strike together
fallenman479
Not in my lifetime. Different religious movements within one sect or another have spurred the violence I have witnessed. Historically, the three Abrahamic religions can't get along for long. Cain v. Able. Abraham cast out Hagar. Jericho? Hell, Christianity started because Jewish religious groups were fighting each other. Xtian v. xtian, xtian v. Islam, and so on and so on..
They are filled with gullible people who believe in myths and fantasies. Religions built on violence beget more violence.
ChrisTheEarthenoid
Yes I know it’s more complicated, Cheeto-face is just one example.