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https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/democrats-successfully-strip-all
They are working hard behind the curtains to get the worst shit removed, the alternative is to force republicans to remove the filibuster and pass all of this without any changes, which would be a LOT worse.
And it is really "interesting" how many accounts popped up spreading, mostly false, Propaganda about Dems on here this close to the midterms, just sayin...
HollerinAtTheVoid
They’re only “the same” when it comes to taking money from the big corps. There are lots of bad faith Dems, but there are a lot of good ones too. At least it’s a party that believes in treating people like humans half the time vs none of the time.
CyberneticWhelk
Some success is a positive, but it is a little like hearing that they got the Republicans to swap the shit on the sandwich from cow manure to dog shit.
OrigamiPigeon
But it’s standard repub playbook. Put out a terrible bill with a bunch of terrible, crazy shit. Dems come in and ‘negotiate’ to get the crazy shit removed in exchange for votes. Repubs agree and we still get something terrible. I know dems have limited power at the moment. This timeline sucks.
GiantShortstacks
Careful, some dipshit who doesn't understand how a representative democracy works is going to lecture you for not voting hard enough for your local Democratic negotiator. Never mind Gerrymandering, voter suppression, purging of voter rolls or that the majority of states aren't swing states. If you didn't personally vote for Kamala Harris and then illegally vote for her ten more times you basically voted for Trump 11 times.
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Chereazi
They are Dem leadership, which are thanked in there
KillingTlme
The entire trans athlete agenda is a massive distraction during a time of the birth of a dictator. News coverage is like 10 trams athletes agenda while less than 100 trans athletes exist beyond high school
LitchLitch
It worked
backrideup9
And what did they put in their place? Cuz you damn well know they just love to give up the farm for nothing.
Lashiel87
If you think attempting to protect trans people is "for nothing" then you are a piece of shit human.
CaldariBob
In an election year, they usually start showing up at the beginning of January.
largomatic
It’s validating to see other people notice this as well.
CrazedDrifter
Eldis
Things like this is exactly why I'm so fucking embarrassed by the "both sides!" -idiots.
2074red2074
I view it like a parent and child. If your little hellspawn eggs my house, it's his fault for egging my house but you the parent are SUPPOSED to be preventing him from doing that shit and you're not. Therefore I am justified in being upset at both.
OaksParcel
Okay, but voting for a party for being the lesser of two evils isn't the expression of ideological sovereignty that you think it is. It is, in fact, ideological subordination, just like calling people "idiots" for having an opinion different from your own.
The next time the Democrats win: do you truly think they will meaningfully do anything to undo the damage? If they don't, will that change your perception of them (hint: it won't, as this has already happened, and here you are).
TheSunless
You could try being correct for a change, that'd be nice.
CrisprCAS
But the Dems don't do anything!1! /s
FrancsTireur
The argument for me has never been that Democrats dont do "anything" its that Democrats dont do anywhere near what you would expect from people sworn to defend and uphold the principles of the republic.
They take very similarly worded oaths to the ones your soldiers take, and yet never in all my years have I seen a single US politician come remotely close to risking personal loss or harm or sacrifice for their nation.
Joe Biden is an old man with very few years left, he could have gone out 1/
FrancsTireur
Like Lincoln, a man so utterly devoted to his cause that he died for it and didnt allow the loss of a son to distract him from it. Thats patriotism, thats leadership, and if you're going to invest so much power in the executive as the US does; then the person who occupies that office should be of that calibre. 2
NVGoddesscottage
We are talking about a handful of people. I love me some trans friends and I get it, but it is such a low bar to trumpet LOOK WHAT WE DID! Defund ICE. Impeach the orange turd. Rule 25 him into a locked unit of a nursing home. DO SOMETHING!
Chereazi
Please do tell me how any of that is supposed to work with republicans holding majorities in everything?
I'm very curious about the way that could be achieved, it seems that you have some really cool plans if you're so certain that it's doable that you publicly criticize them for not doing it!
I'm listening?
NVGoddesscottage
If you can get agreement on trans issues, you can get agreements elsewhere.
Chereazi
And they are, hell, they've gotten some republicans to go against Trump directly in other issues already too.
But you can't expect republicans to go with that on EVERYTHING, they've got several issues they're wayyyy less flexible on. Immigration being one of them, huge midterm voting issue.
So, again, what exactly should they do?
Just hating them because they're nOt DoInH eNoUgH without even knowing WHAT they could do is just dishonest right wing propaganda spreading.
WhatNumberPlease
Wow, this will make my life so much better, even though I don’t know an trans
CaldariBob
...that you know of...
Eldis
ya, because they're not telling you, and the fact you comment like this tells us just enough about you that I know for sure I wouldn't
LitchLitch
Our country is over, we ought to start thinking about what we want to try to preserve and how to do it rather than continue to argue stupid old fights.
Garwain
Typical shitlib who only cares about a handful of favored causes. Look, the Democrats are not Nazis, and for that reason I will side with them over Republicans every time, but the problem is this: were the Democrats to be in full control of the government tomorrow, *they would be as milquetoast and ineffective as they are right now, because they do not want much to change.* There does need to be an electoral reckoning for Democrats' failure to meet voters where they are.
Necrothean
One year into Trump 2 and they finally accomplished something.
And only crossed the aisles fifty seven times to get there, including every time that these anti-trans amendments were made in the first place. Did you forget Schumer's hand on PLACING THESE into the bill in the first place?
"Anyone that doesn't like Dems is a Repug agitator!"
Or someone who's been alive through every year of NeoLiberalism and has seen enough to know 34 straight years of the same game loses ground overall.
Necrothean
Every Democratic win after 1992 has come after 19 losses. Every regained Trans protection has cost 19 amendments to enrich, engorge, and inflate the Repug finances in one or another state; finances that are later used to overturn all the "good bills" and amendments that Dems "fought for". Status quo governance, thy name is The Democratic National Committee. And thou art a beast that deserves death. For the riders world not exist save that 8 crossed the aisles, save that Schumer signed the bill.
Harbltron
Oh cool, false equivalency that absolve Democrats of any responsibility for how we got here.
beauchette
You say they work to remove the worst shit. And yet he flew to Switzerland
autocorrectfailures
I'm glad the dems put their neck in the chopping block so the reds could show how merciful they can be, such solidarity for rule of corruption! Way to work across the aisle with their fellow corpocrats!
Chereazi
Nice of you to tell the world that you'd sacrifice the vulnerable in the population for your own feeling of moral superiority that doesn't help anyone.
autocorrectfailures
If the dems would stop being soft fucks and stop acting in good faith with bad actors, I'd change my tune.
Chereazi
And do what exactly?
Please do tell me what exactly they can do that doesn't throw hundreds of thousands or even millions under the bus.
I'm listening.
autocorrectfailures
At this point, it feels like the dems are trying to secure better living conditions on the trains that are taking people to death camps, a nice gesture, but ultimately time not well spent. Dems are committed to playing by the rules as usual, reds aren't even playing the same game and dismantling the people who enforce the rules. Blues are acting in good faith despite knowing who the bad actors are. Kind of feels like they're just not even trying, it's more likely most of them don't even care.
Chereazi
Again: what EXACTLY are they supposed to do.
Saying "it's not good enough" is easy, but what exactly SHOULD they do? Again, without throwing a ton of people under the bus.
cheeriossuckbecause7
Hey cool, they've worked at protecting one group of people, and now everything they've failed so hard at is suddenly forgotten. Shut down the country for premiums and then cave for a 'gentleman's agreement'? Forgotten. Funding the expansion of law enforcement? Forgotten. Helping to strip civil liberties? Forgotten. I mean, I'm glad trans folks won't get it worse than eveeyone else now, but these are the same spineless cowards that helped make sure that oramge criminal got back in.
taez555
Is Corey Booker still saying we need to invest more in ICE so they can be better trained?
Chereazi
That is exactly the kind of propaganda I am talking about...
They can do nothing and Trump increases their funding, OR
they can tap on a whole bunch of requirements, including allowing states to bring civil action, create hiring standards, get rid of fast tracked hiring, block anyone with criminal convictions, including those removed via pardons etc etc etc
You aren't going to get rid of ICE, there simply is no path for that to happen, do you want to do nothing and grandstand with a 1/
Garwain
You are the biggest shitlib. I hate to say it, but your pusillanimous faux-pragmatism is a big part of how we ended up dealing with Nazis in the first place.
Chereazi
feeling of moral superiority, or do you want there to at least be attempts to improve the situation within the possibilities of the situation?
Harbltron
"Get used to the gestapo" is a really fucking bad look, amigo.
Traskus
Can they stop claiming that the problem with the gestapo is they aren't trained well enough?
Chereazi
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That's exactly what I mean, you bought the propaganda...
Traskus
Its not propaganda.. ICE is out murdering, raping, and kidnapping people supported and funded by the republicans.. and the best response dems have is.. they need better training.. like da faq? Their position is so fucking weak it will only enable ICE to continue even in the unlikely scenario dems get power back.
Chereazi
Did you read the comment I linked?
Democrats do not have ANY power right now. They have the option of getting nothing done on the issue at all, or sneak in improvements that republicans won't immediately reject.
That's the current reality, voters made dürr democrats can't do more than that.
So, what's your choice, do nothing, or attempt to improve it, even if it's not much?
I'd definitely go for doing everything I realistically can do instead of uselessly grandstand.
Traskus
First they have power, they surrender a lot of it needlessly because essentially they are token opposition. Sure they can get a win here on Trans rights and while that may be good it does nothing to address the fundamental and underlying problems created by the system. Just like with ICE, their solution does not address the fundamental problem of having the gestapo in the first place, but to pretend that organization can be honorable in any way or deserves to exist. >
Chereazi
Please do tell me what power they have with Trump owning congress, scotus, courts, federal agencies, literally everything, and the GOP having the option to remove the filibuster whenever they want to completely ignoring Democrats all together...
You really don't realize just how fucked the current situation is, do you?
frontseatdog
Deck chairs on the Titanic. If Dems aren't aiming for an indefinite shutdown, they are complicit.
Chereazi
You know what an "infinite" shutdown will achieve?
Republicans will remove the filibuster. Because that's their only choice going forward. And what happens then?
Democrats won't even be able to do THAT anymore. The worst version of all bills passes.
THAT'S what's going to happen. Is that really what you want?
frontseatdog
Indefinite, not infinite. It's what's available to the complicit Dems, and you offer no better option for securing change. The filibuster is irrelevant; start winning the battles in front of us instead of always capitulating.
Chereazi
Again, what is going to happen?
You can't just demand things where you clearly have no idea what they mean. Please describe to me exactly what should happen and the consequences.
And no, the filibuster is very much not irrelevant, it's the only thing that allows Dems to do anything at all...
frontseatdog
Before listing the obvious terms for approving a budget, acknowledge that throwing away the only real leverage is not a winning strategy. Or, keep being the same complicit, managed opposition that Dems have been for decades. I can't take your rhetoric seriously, so my part here is done.
Chereazi
So, you can't?
I'm not surprised.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
I find the Democratic party to largely be a bunch of feckless, uninspiring goons who are willing sacrifice our country at the foot of capitalism. But compared to my other options, I'll vote blue every single chance. Incremental progress is better than this regressive bullshit.
Arbitrarynamehere
They are feckless, uninspiring goons who are willing to sacrifice our country at the foot of capitalism. They need to be primaried and bullied constantly. But do not give them unearned praise either. Their efforts as an opposition party are genuinely embarrassing.
Glad the anti trans stuff got kicked down the road at least, but they rolled over on ICE again. It's still fucked.
LitchLitch
They are not any one thing. There are aome truly decent people who are really trying to make the world a better place. The other 80% are there for some mix of self interest and some vestigal decency.
A good half would switch in a second if there was a real chance they could win ( I mean the aipac democrats, the congression black & hispanic caucus and the blue dog dems)
GiantShortstacks
Yes but surely unchecked masked up violent thugs will be nice to the trans people they encounter. They definitely don't spend their days fantasizing about doing violence to them.
Arbitrarynamehere
You have to stop grading on a curve for them. I really mean it; you have to stop letting them get away with diet fascism just because the other option is extra fascism. You cannot be content with the former. I'm begging you
GiantShortstacks
I was being sarcastic. How did people not pick up on this? Was I being too subtle? Democratic politicians voted for ICE, voted to praise ICE and now that ICE is going around jackbooting they still won't come out as a monolith against these brownshirts. It's the easiest win they could have and a bare minimum moral high ground. Also a lot of the anti-trans stuff they "stripped" was backed by them just a few days ago. You shouldn't get credit for putting out fires you helped start.
Arbitrarynamehere
Your sarcasm seemed to imply I was of the belief that I would trade away trans rights by letting Republican lawmakers have their way.
So uh, get better material I guess.
Glad you're ultimately not of that mind though.
jankyupeblik
You choose the least terrible. If you don't like first past the post (and you shouldn't), then you have to vote for election reform. Surprise surprise, republican leadership doesn't like reform that makes democracy work better. Full circle.
Anyway, everyone *should* want democracy to work better, even ignorant republicans, because when democracy works better, you are represented better.
https://fairvote.org/
LitchLitch
Dude you are just too late to the party, were still unclear on if we are going to have meaningful polls this year.
jankyupeblik
You seem to be missing the entire point of the post, & how polls even work. If you are of the crowd yelling "both parties are the same", you're either 1) not voting at all, or 2) a republican. If you're allowed to vote, & you're stuck with first past the post, you should still be voting, 99.99% of the time. If you don't vote, you literally throw away any say you have on the matter. If you aren't allowed to vote, then yeah, you don't have to worry about voting, you know, not until you do again.
LitchLitch
Youre a bot, arent you. Sigh
jankyupeblik
The problem OP has brought up, that people complain all the parties are the same, is a problem that contributed *heavily* to the situation we're in right now. There've actually been tons of voters parroting this garbage, that parties are all the same & there's no reason to vote. Voter apathy is incredibly terrible in the USA. It's not the real problem, which is republican corruption, but had people actually been voting more for the past 30 years, we'd in fact not be in this problem right now.
LitchLitch
If you are trying to emphasize a word like heavily you are better off using all caps or underscores at the front and back, using quotes makes it look like you meanit ironically.
Which in this case is absolutely accolurate, because the acknowledgement that there is little difference between the parties had very little to nothing do with the results. There might have been some minor tweaking at the edge because of it but you have bought into a confabulation.
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LitchLitch
Youre buying into the corporate democrat lies and you really ought to know better than that. American voters are not apathetic, look at turnout numbers, people have been voting as much or more in the last 30 years than they have since the 26th ammendment.
There was a bit of down turn in the last election compared to the previous because saw that even though they voted Democrat they saw no material improvement in their lives so whats the point.
The Democrats do not want change.
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Jarjarthejedi
The number of times I've heard "Dem's don't care about Transgender people!" chanted as though it were true when they've been consistently defanging attacks from R's against trans rights is just sad. Propaganda is a hell of a drug, and people really seem to want to believe the nonsense that "both sides are the same!" :/
LostCaterpillar
My parents are lifelong democrat voters and signed up for enough democrat newsletter they get about 200 political spam emails a day.
They are being slowly radicalized into the idea that trans people should not be allowed to use the restroom of their gender, play sports, or access medical care.
It's not republicans doing this. It's democrats, big, well funded corporate democrats who insist that "trans rights have gone too far" and that we need to "pull back on trans right to win elections." 1/2
LostCaterpillar
Do many, probably most, democrats support trans rights in at least some sense? Sure.
But it is not in the least bit unfair to criticize democrats who either outright attack trans rights or only support them in so far as the law requires them to and it is not at all unfair to call out democrats as a group so long as they support assholes who engage in attacks against the trans community.
Navrodel
The problem is 100% that the majority of Dems "work for" trans rights either passively (by either not discussing the topic and/or only voting against any attacks - but not for any protections) or by arguing in good faith with Republicans (not calling out fabricated data and anecdotes, and treating religious opinion as a valid basis for policy)
Trans people have very few active allies at the federal level - the best we can say is that those allies can convince some of the not-enemies to help.
swofromtherock
My beliefs: they do care about the groups they claim to, just not as most as they care about money in their pockets or votes for themselves. When I say both sides are the same, I'm going deeper.
SavageDrums
The thing is that Dems care more about focus groups than any actual beliefs.
They're infinitely better than the alternative, but so many of them are failing to meet the moment.
cytherians
There's so much gaslighting, you often get confused where the leak is coming from.
The extent of extremist corrosive rhetoric from Republicans is unprecedented compared to even the Bush administration. They've jumped the shark. They're fascists. They are insidious. They are criminal. They are anti-American and anti-Democracy. They need to pay for this heavily. I want them all voted out of office and indicted where appropriate.
itiswhatitis420
a lot of it is a reluctance to hold voters/the people accountable. if a progressive candidate loses a primary election then it must be because of a paranoid conspiracy by the DNC, rather than not enough voters. if Trump won then it must be because Garland didnt do something, rather than a majority of voters not caring about electing the first convicted felon.
Clockworkdancerobot
Granted a lot of trans people felt really betrayed by the corporate dems, especially Third way idiots like that shithead Gavin Newsom.
GiantShortstacks
"Democrats don't do anti-trans stuff except for all the Democrats who have done and will in the future do anti-trans stuff. We're not living in some sort of reactionary capitalist hellscape where the alternative to the far right is a feckless centrism that constantly gets dragged right. MSNBC and NPR told me so!"
ChelVanin
Now is considered close to midterms? Good grief, this is hell.
Navrodel
The first Democratic Primary for the Midterm election is on March 3rd, and the last that's currently scheduled is on September 15th.
There are 9 states that haven't announced their primary dates, and I can't be arsed to look up why.
I don't know the rational reason why everyone can't schedule their Primaries for the same day - or even month - other than the fact that it gives some states far more influence over the outcome of the presidential primary.
It's a bit fucked.
ChelVanin
Well the reason is because all elections, even federal ones, are still inherently state run operations. The only extent to which the federal government gets to tell the states how to run their elections is what’s spelled out in the Constitution.
The701
Additional extents the federal government can now affect states' elections:
- Send ICE to terrorize heavily Democratic areas.
- Invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy the military in addition to ICE.
- Deny federal funding to states that voted for Biden or Harris.
- Violate the Hatch Act as often as they please.
Chereazi
US politics really is nothing more than one long line of elections where the ads for the next ones basically start before the previous one is even over, it is pretty crazy XD
Lombax369
When Jon Oliver did a segment on Australia's gun control, they asked a US politician (or maybe advisor?) "What is the sign of a successful politician?" & he said 'getting reelected' which says a lot about US politics. When they asked an Australian (conservative) politician the same question, he said 'making society a better place'
CaldariBob
It never ends anymore. Americans seem to be on a constant election cycle treadmill.
ThomasThundersword
which, ironically, is one thing we constantly mocked the europeans for. with that unstable governing coalitions, votes of no confidence, “every damn year is election stuff with those people.”
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
It is exhausting. And the politicians have to constantly focus on fundraising and campaigning rather than doing their actual job.
Targe0
Which is why more American should join the Democratic Party.
That way they get a say in who gets selected for to be candidates.
If enough people do that, then they can oust all the preformative people from office.
And replace them with people who will actually do their job outside of election years.
Only by participating in the early part of the system can be affect the end result fully.
jasondeslin
And for fucks sake, once you've joined THEN VOTE THE PARTY LINE.
We can only fix things TOGETHER, and the fucking left in this country has a horrible habit of turning on Dems over every disagreement and sabotaging them. They reach out to the center because they can't depend on left votes.
Please, stand up and argue during PRIMARIES, but during elections vote the fucking direction REGARDLESS of single issues.
I promise Reps are worse, and your 3rd party cunt doesn't stand a chance.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
Yeah almost all those accounts are one single person. Marsproxy.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Honest question, how do you manage to keep up with specific users like that when alt accounts are involved and political doomsaying is so commonplace?
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
That specific user has been around for at least a decade and has some very specific tells
vidmagnuson
Your username also feels exceptionally relevant as a viable answer to their question.
friendsofsandwiches
Even this one that's been on here since 2016?
CaldariBob
If there long breaks in their posting history (like since the last US election), that's probably a troll farm account. Regular posting history = just a troll.
CaldariBob
*there are
JohnnySilverballs
Who just had yet another account of his get banned. https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bGZkMjhza2V5ejI4MHV6MG85bXEzMGF0c3ZydDJkc2VuNnBiNGExeCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l0ExayQDzrI2xOb8A/200w.webp
CaldariBob
Yeah, but he's on to a new one. Rust never sleeps.
JohnnySilverballs
That's not surprising in the least. Dude has the most pathetic, lack of a life imaginable.
AmaraDela
I respectfully ask to be pointed to where i can learn the story of this individual.
gooftroop
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AmaraDela
Corgimom1013
Let us look back at one important primary of our time and how the democrats could have given us a president who actually ran on governing for the people. Bernie Sanders ran on working to get us medicare for all, while the corporate democrat (biden) made every excuse in the book on why he would not let that happen. Why did biden win against a candidate who was actually running on helping the American people? It blows my mind that people still think just voting blue is going to fix all our problem
Chereazi
Because people didn't vote for Sanders? Dude didn't have the support he needed, and honestly he'd have been a super inefficient president. Having the right ideas doesn't mean jack shit if you lack the ability to actually get anything done, he'd been a lame duck with republicans blocking literally everything.
Corgimom1013
Really, this is what you believe. Where's the proof that he would be lame. Even so, my point is even when Americans get a candidate who actually ran on governing for them verses a corporate democrat who had no interest in helping them, they choose the worst of the two.
Chereazi
His political career. He's one of the least effective senators, his track record of actually getting things done is sadly horrible. And you know exactly that republicans would block him on all of that, and they've got congress. To get anything done sadly requires compromise, which is something a lot of people, including you, don't seem to realize...
Corgimom1013
Biden had all those same problems and gave no fight. At least bernie would have tried and not just rolled over for the Republicans. Biden even lied to us about being the transition president, then they shoved him down our throats again.
Chereazi
The fuck you mean gave no fight, he had the most effective administration in decades, and that while republicans had majorities, that's an insanely strong accomplishment
What reality do you live in? It's certainly not this.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-record
Corgimom1013
You know what biden and harris said at the end of their speeches after the $15 minimum wage did not pass..." just vote better next time."
Corgimom1013
Compromise what a bunch of malarkey. See what compromise has gotten us.
Chereazi
It got you a crazy effective administration until y'all decided to get Trump elected.