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Most viral edit:
Credit goes to @wilw , he posted this elsewhere this morning.
Would you like to know more?
Link to source: http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Assessing-the-President-as-an-Information-Source-on-the-Coronavirus-Outbreak.aspx
Link to methodology (science & shit): http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/Omnibus%202020/April%202020%20Methodology.pdf
danishroyalty
Yeah it's nice that this is something that most people agree on. Its easy to see the idiots and forget that most people are rational.
crazybeedude
Wow, it's almost like the media has a partisan slant and paint one group in a bad light.
ashgrave
Now interview the people who have been out of a job for over a month.
DaisyfromDownunder
The billionaires are bitchin'.
Galdrack
22% is an enormous chunk to be crazy though.
squirrelduck
The media needs to stop giving covidiots attention.
Hellstorm99
What a surprise, the most vocal of either party don’t represent the masses? Who knew...
xoverthirtyx
The protests to the contrary are manufactured by just 3 men, brothers in FL, who created the FB groups in all the participating states.
Hybris51129
This is why the bulk of the twitter rips that pass as news on Imgur are full of shit.
Toofwess
But the hivemind told me that all Republicans think it's a hoax/we're overreacting. Because the world is black and white. No grey areas.
joetorious
And I say your three cent titanium tax doesnt go too far enough!
AStupidWeeb
About the same percentage of Republicans were against repealing Net Neutrality, but it got repealed anyway.
Xerxes4242
Should also be handing out fines to hoarders and people going to the store just to gawk.
jursamaj
Am I the only one annoyed that "about right" isn't listed *between* "too far" and "not far enough"?
zarola1
Holy shit something we are still almost 50/50 on.... can't wait for the election results...will be so close...again!
LeninsLeftistTesticle
Honestly convinced it's more of the libertarian and evangelical side of the Republican party that advocates for an open economy.
LeninsLeftistTesticle
Many of my conservative friends & I would rather have 1 more month in lockdown than have people die off in masses & the lockdown extended.
Fastjack2056
Given all the posts about astroturfing and manipulation, I think it might only be a handful of billionaires, & the people they paid/conned.
Geek13
So what I'm seeing is the majority of Democrats and Republicans are just decent people. But it's the fringes that dominate social media.
craze
The fringes are exploited as the norm by the media. It is like trying to normalize extremism
bluemagister
Yes. https://www.poynter.org/tech-tools/2019/10-percent-of-twitter-users-create-80-percent-of-all-tweets-study-finds/
bluemagister
I'd personally nitpick whether the majority of people are "decent", but that's philosophical; but yes the fringe absolutely dominates media.
dadjokesRlife
If this doesn’t show everyone that the loudest voices on either side drown out the everyone else, i don’t know what will.
vatnick
As a non Usian, it's strange they differentiated Democrat vs Republican...
Fastjack2056
It shows that despite the huge political divide in this country, this isn't really a political issue. We're in it together.
bluemagister
That's the first time I've heard Americans be called Usians. But it's not strange at all as those are the two major political parties.
vatnick
But this is a health issue... I'm trying to show you how making health a political issue is not normal
tuxedobob
It’s significant in the first two bars of each group.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Maybe in November these people will remember where their leaders stood on things and vote accordingly, even if it means voting another party
ProbablyPoe
This just in crackpot far left/right news reporting does not reflect actual mentality of population
CheesecakePi
8008135calculator
Yeah. Most people are sane. Most TV time goes to loon balls is the problem. The red and blue divide isn't extreme for the majority.
nukemall
It's almost like the "news" sources are trying to make up stories to grab headlines.
Crazyname
Thank you. Contrary to tbe media, most Republicsns get it and there are a few Dems out there who don't. Maybe 10% of people are just idiots.
Fastjack2056
Somebody once pointed out to me that the guy who ran against Obama for congress had absolutely no advantages and still got about 11%.
Fastjack2056
Everything you would use to predict the race was a wash or in Obama's favor. Nobody had a good reason to vote against him. 11% did.
Fastjack2056
So even in a best case scenario, landslide situation, you can expect about 11% of people to be contrary on principle.
activeracer28
This is a sample of 1057. Where were they located? One state, spread across USA? That's the issue with these surveys, how accurate is it?
SchmetterlingThing
Sigh. http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/April%202020%20Methodology.pdf
whoaitskevasaurusrex
The methodology is linked in the original post.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Imo even when cities in the same state are having wildly different measures I dont see this data as particularly useful.
SchmetterlingThing
Imo = in my opinion? Are you a statistician? From ppl who know: http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/April%202020%20Methodology.pdf
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
If you read through it theyve done literally nothing to address the fact that some states dont even have lockdowns still.
SchmetterlingThing
Bless your heart. Statistic sampling IS hard to understand.
tuxedobob
They’re probably random numbers cold called and pulled from people who actually answer random numbers cold calling them.
SchmetterlingThing
Here ya go, took 2 min to find online: http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/April%202020%20Methodology.pdf
tuxedobob
So that's a yes, more or less.
SchmetterlingThing
The ability to read is a tough skill to learn for sure! Let's all hope you get there one day :) good luck!
FamousOnce
Are only results from politically-aligned people reported? (non-US here)
Fastjack2056
According to p13 of the Topline, their respondents were about 43% Democrat, 39% Republican, and 18% Independent, if I'm reading this right.
Fastjack2056
Pretty accurate. How to poll a wide audience scientifically:
http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/Omnibus%202020/April%202020%20Methodology.pdf
malaroo
The same statement can also be refined to "I don't know how polls work."
activeracer28
No, more like, hey I'd like to see clarification on the poll to verify that it is accurate, instead of taking for reality without research.
somethingdark
Any sample size over 384 responses has a 95% confidence interval
TheMayorOfTittyCity
1000pl is the standard US poll sample size. Article says selection is by random US address, so could be from all states. Accuracy is +/-4%
TheMayorOfTittyCity
usually we say a poll of 1000pl has a 95% confidence interval of 3%, but they are being a little more conservative for some reason
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Most were via internet though, so it can be skewed younger or higher socioeconomic, which is always an issues with polls utilizing tech
TheRealAlpharius
Really shows you how many paid billionaire shills are on this website, unless all 22% in favor are on imgur.
barnwolf
I haven't seen much support for ending the lock-down on imgur. Just a bunch of idiots complaining they are a low priority for testing.
tuxedobob
22% in favor of what? Did you read the graph wrong?
Lobsterfest10k
don't forget the Russian and Chinese bots.
backrideup9
1057 people interviewed. How well do you think this represents the total population?
mardukkur
Do you even statistics?
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
It's been a while since my statistics class, but I think that meets the minimum number to satisfy 95% confidence.
Ponden
Depends on the allowed margin of error. With this sample size it’s probably about 3%.
TakWriterOfWorlds
I don’t know, maybe somewhere around a 4% margin of error?
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Eh id disagree with that, if the restrictions were uniform across the united states Id say sure, but theres been a wide range of responses.
overpolitemidwesterner
You know my friends don't agree W/ me at all politically (they are Very conservative). But they all said keep people safe try to find ways(1
overpolitemidwesterner
2) to open businesses in limited safe manners if possible, but that can't be the priority. So proud of them for a reasonable response
bochikiniki
I pretty sure that most people think that. I hate that this thing came right before election year.
WhisperedThreats
kman224
If you think so lowly of conservatives that them having the majority opinion is something to be proud of you might have some thinking to do.
imgurdotcommie
There's so many stupid things modern conservatism has embraced in the us. It's become the norm to expect the worse.
MDAlchemist
I depends on the individual in question. Most conservatives are fine, as are most liberals, (1/2)
MDAlchemist
But both ends of the idiot horseshoe are, well idiots. (2/2)
overpolitemidwesterner
I don't. I am just happy to have an example of understanding over the Media's portrayal of extremists or the right.
bochikiniki
You might enjoy this listen
bochikiniki
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6apQ2tBhrFRLKAxEEqSxCN?si=PEDyGIgrS9qmfyfm5wH52A
atotalmoron
All these pictures of crowds/protesters circulating are meant to trigger (the majority viewpoint's) emotions. Why? What comes next?
astronomygeek7
From what I’ve heard, Trump wants to jumpstart the economy so encourage voters to vote for him in Nov. plus his corporate partners.
IHuggedaCorgiToday
Media/outside influence manipulation
WhatsYourCovidStory
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ProbablyNotMegatron
23 republican seats up for re-election in the senate this year
xoverthirtyx
Trump decides to force a reopen and cites a false majority based on protests. It’s meant to trigger his base, not the opposition.
AdmiralCJ
Fucking aliens, that's what. Or, at least, that's what my bet's on for the disaster in May, anyway. We have a pool going.
52pickup
There needs to be a better way to cover these things. They're shown in a way disproportionate to their occurrence.
benmoSelfieCat
Because if we focus on the stupid people in protest we won't notice the stupid people in government making money off the pandemic
ProbablyPoe
If we fight amongst ourselves we are less likely to realize we're standing in a steaming pile of shit.
HapilyDamaged
VicciFuzzbutt
I think the point is to manipulate less proactive people into thinking the view point is acceptable. If everyone else thinks it, I can too.
Roadfoolmc365
So Trump can run his campaign like a wartime president. He has no other strategy than scorched earth.
leroy666
Start preparing for a war, likely with Iran, as the trumpet gets more and more desperate. maybe invade Argentina.
tsooji
It's not like he would order our navy to... fire on-- oh? He did? Uh... never mind then.
IncrediRis
Yes. Chaos.
GotBannedForPostingAYoutubeLink
The 24/7 news cycle will use absolutely anything it can to rile up people.
vegetariangardener
it's step one, similar to the tea party; get a lot of coverage with astroturfing, and we'll see these numbers shift. propaganda works.
Patches3000
We slaughter the protestors in mass and offer them as a sacrifice to COVID.
VagrantDust
Civil war
BlueAngel3141
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/conservative-activist-family-behind-grassroots-anti-quarantine-facebook-events-n1188021
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
“The Dorrs' network of pages uses a strategy of data harvesting common in activist circles.“
grundig79
*AstroTurf events
Rhacodactylus
Ask Devos, she's orchestrating all of them.
tsooji
Explain the link to me. Thank you.
imakeeper
Someone connected to her. I don't believe Betsy Devos is intelligent or organized enough to orchestrate a trip to the grocery store.
Tinkrr
The reality is, all three sides have a point. A lot of people probably weren't effected, since many businesses are essential and continue1/2
Tinkrr
as normal. That's probably a large base of the "good enough people." The people who say go to far probably lost their jobs or are looking2/3
Tinkrr
at things like the extreme examples of policing such as the guy in the kayak being detained, those are valid issues. The people who say 3/4
Tinkrr
it does not go far enough are looking at people who died and are afraid, especially with places like Italy that were unprepared. D: 4/4
leroy666
Take off your tinfoil hat, Cletus.
ohnoofcourseyourright
It's crazy the protesters are fighting against the nurses standing grounds. What, are they part of the big conspiracy too?
LSUguy
To polarize Trump's base for the election like with Hillary's emails. He took no responsibility for restrictions but wants to be the hero
LSUguy
To "open up the country." He goes as far as to phrase it as "liberate" the citizens. Divert blame, claim the glory. He says it every time.
SmugandFurry
Wait...are you saying the idiot protesters were a scheme to "trigger" the non-idiots into wanting the keep the safety measures in place?
0forallx
Astroturfing
Me1iss0
Showing up with guns in many places. I am actually pro gun but who tf are you gonna shoot rn? The hand that feeds you? Doctors? The virus???
SmugandFurry
Same; I support the 2nd, but those idiots need their toys taken away until they can act like adults.
derschweiz
The protestors themselves aren’t, giving them the media megaphone might be...
atotalmoron
Reporting on it and flooding social media with the minority viewpoint gets people excited, emotional. Does it not?
Rhacodactylus
The problem, as evidenced by the Govs of GA and FL and the mayor of Vegas is that it's a minority view that has political power.
SmugandFurry
So, you think this was all orchestrated to continue the lockdowns that Trump wants lifted?
ProbablyPoe
In case you're seriously asking, no.
atotalmoron
Are you high?
atotalmoron
Maybe drunk.
SmugandFurry
Not until I get off work; I'm asking you why you think the continued support for a lockdown is due to the crazies. Not everyone is as knee-
Easykehl
Because it’s important. If 2% of the population keeps going out and providing vectors for new cases, it undercuts everyone else’s efforts.
SuperPickle17
Well, tbf, we need people going around and spreading it. It's unrealistic to wait for a vaccine that may never exist. But...
SuperPickle17
if you don't have a reason to be out. Then stay the fuck home.
FoxySpirit
If 0.1% did it would undercut the effort. But how much? Last study I read said reduction of social contacts by 35% would suffice. Well, /1
FoxySpirit
if people counted and were strict about it but alas, such order would result exactly in zero. Most people need clear cut lines.
Zella111
True and giving them attention just feeds it. Don't give them media attention and they won't protest. It's all about the attention.
Easykehl
It doesn’t negate our ability to flatten the curve but it delays our ability to transition to effective contact tracing and safe reopening
WardSharlow
It doesn't negate it, but it can negatively impact it, especially if they insist on congregating in large groups.
Easykehl
Shedding light on their idiocy may not be enough to combat it, but for now it’s one of the few tools we have.
ColClone54
Oh, there are plenty of toys out there.
FockChinly
i mean we could alwayse show the idiots what actual tyranny looks like and throw em into a locked stadium.
ibrakeforwookies
To play devil's advocate they will eventually provide their own heard immunity within their social circles as they'll all get it eventually.
Sasurau
What did their immunity hear? Did you hear what the herd heard?
ibrakeforwookies
Then they wont be a vector anymore. Mean the rest of the population is stuck in isolation waiting for these dumbasses to not be a problem
Lynkfox
There is some evidence to show that even with antibodies you may get sick again w c19 because of its strains. Herd immunity wont be enough
waffleresidence
To be fair that just means that they will be the ones responsible for infecting people and we already are afraid of that.
Alpha5772
That would be true. Except I still need food and these Aholes use the same Grocery store.
WelcomToJamRock
The amount of republican hate on imgur shows the mass amount of users are super young. Most of the country is republican.
VagrantDust
"Most of the country is rep" sounds like a white person line. Statistically they are barely a percent more then dems and no where near most
VagrantDust
gallop poll puts dems at 30% reps at 30% and independents at 30%
buckeyes995
By what measure is most of the country Republican? A Republican presidential nominee has won the popular vote one time since 1988
kingbudo101
in a 2020 gallop poll people 29% identify as a Democrat and 30% Identify as republican. Factor in percentage of error, they are even. 1/
kingbudo101
however thats just being asked if Identity as the label. when it comes to polling on issues, Democrats beat republicans on every issue
Fastjack2056
That's weird, since more people voted for Hillary...unless you mean like, by square footage?
bluemagister
Self identification and willingness to vote are two different things; only about 58% of registered voters voted in the 2016 election.
justarandomfandom
Then how do you know they're republican?
bluemagister
Ignoring self identification, if only 58% of registered voters voted, that means you have hard numbers on the other 42%'s party affiliation.
justarandomfandom
Ah, right, forgot about that, which is stupid since I bet more people are in the middle than anything. Socially Dem and economically Rep
arkady74
Lol not even close. We're at new levels of conservative self delusion on this one
WelcomToJamRock
Ok. Well. Echo chamber cities may sway in the opposite. But theres a reason most cities are broken. Theyre democratic. Look at chicago.
arkady74
And the states with highest levels of poverty, lowest life expectancy, highest teen pregnancies, etc are all run by the GOP. Still by no
WelcomToJamRock
Not true.
arkady74
.. measure are Republicans a majority on this country. Unless you mean in seats held in govt, which is entirely down to gerrymandering/suppr
justarandomfandom
I think a lot of people are closer to the middle, and are socially democratic and economically republican, with variations.
bink2
I agree with this thought 100%. I just wish we could get a moderate candidate from either party rather than attempting to force the extreme
WelcomToJamRock
I agree.
justarandomfandom
My dad used to say that phrase all the time and it's still pretty accurate. Though it can be hard to agree with ppl who don't agree with
justarandomfandom
your social views, so a lot of people like that will claim to be Dem verbally while voting on Rep people in certain offices
ThrashAndChemistry
I think it speaks volumes that about 60% of Repubs and Dems agree that current measures are about right
mikeatike
*only 60%
INeverWaitForIt
Keep in mind that responses based on location have been "Shut EVERYTHING down" in CA and NY to "Granny will die for the economy" in Texas.
Eowyneb
In reality they don’t go far enough. Many countries allow only one day out of your home during the week according to your age.
bentren
Woah, woah! Only 59% of republicans think current measures are reasonable. Demrats always inflate the numbers. Fake news! /s
vIRLWarlock
I'd make the argument that it's because most rep and dem have very similar outlooks with minor differences in policy beliefs. That a>
vIRLWarlock
Microscope is put on the more extreme differences, then generalized to everyone in each party.
BenSnow97
most people aren't as stupid as the polarized vocal minorities would have you think
JudgementTrout
Imagine the media/ politicians trying to make us chew each other’s throats... oh wait
PamofPooveyFarms
I can't trust this poll for I know a lot of conservative and they we all feel the government over reacted
bink2
I'm a conservative in a red state and the majority here agrees with government reaction. It hurts the economy, but death is worse.
PamofPooveyFarms
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
bink2
There will always be people at the extremes, especially in media. My experience is most republicans I know think everyone should stay home.
sorryiguess
Yeah y’all are usually hard line 50/50. I’m so proud of you!
SomeGrayFox
Why do you think they're trying to hard to make it look like that's not the case?
dannwyrm
My dad is a die hard Trump supporter, and even he thinks we need to sit the fuck down and wait this shit out.
Eowyneb
I hope your dad gives up his love for Trump. He is leading his followers down a path of death and it is scary
dannwyrm
As much as I'd love to say he has, he is and has been a lifelong GOP supporter. Even this idiocy won't be enough to sway him.
Iwipestandingup
Depends on location too.
sadurdaynight
There's a vocal minority that sadly controls office right now. Even the normal Reps are like "dude, wtf?!"
WillowFox
Facts matter. Not personal options. Or we are back to square zero with these people.
Fastjack2056
I was surprised that there are even numbers of Republicans who say "Too far" and "Not far enough". We're sure not hearing from that side.
wolf387465
hopefully we will in the elections
Rogahar
Vocal minority sells clicks and papers.
ThrashAndChemistry
For all that the protesters seem to be dominating the news, it's a relatively small group of dipshits. Dangerous, but stupid and few.
jwingZ
As a Republican (conservative actually, boo me), i think reopening now be dumb af, bruh
Skizzlesnap
That side doesn’t get clicks and piss people off as much.
SwedeOnAnIsland
It’s not uncommon for feasonable people to be more quiet than the batshits regarding different political issues
miscellannie
I've noticed Republicans become a lot more liberal when you aren't publishing their names
noshftshck16
It's a poll of 1000 people. We have no other context except blanket categories which provide no measure lens to draw conclusions.
Fastjack2056
There's a lot more context if you google the source. The methodology is pretty serious, it looks like legit science.
noshftshck16
Doesn't matter how thorough a test is when you have a tiny sample size. It doesn't take into account enough variables
lifen
Something to realize is that not every republican is a trump hat wearing republican. They look just as human as the democrat ones
JustAGamerDreamin
You were surprised that the for-profit media focuses on the viewpoint that nets them the most revenue? Say it ain't so.
AwkwardBouncer
All that gets up voted here is hate for Republicans, how the GOP is evil and stupid, how all Republicans are dumb etc. There is a tag 1/2
AwkwardBouncer
#Republicansareterriblepeople . These types of generalizations are what's doing real damage to this country.
thehumanoidsarecoming
eh, I really love this guys rant https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/g5b4qp/murdered_the_government/
backrideup9
1057 people were interviewed. The "study" means nothing with a sample size that small.
VagrantDust
I'm guessing you're from the population on the chart that is outnumbered.
TrebleCherub
You think that sample size is too small... boy do I have bad news for you if you like statistics.
boardembraker
1,057 is plenty to get pretty good estimates. Real issue is getting a representative sample & pollsters have pretty good tech for that.
mardukkur
Says the person that doesn't know anything about what sample size is needed to create a valid survey.
ThrashAndChemistry
'Nothing' may be a bit of hyperbole, but it's fair to say that the sample is too small to draw overall conclusions from.
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Stratified random sampling would like to have a word with you in the back when you have a moment.
Ashokaaa
Wasn't it like 50ppl? To make a accurate guess? Obviously the US is big so it would require more. Case to case basis and stuff.
ThrashAndChemistry
Ok, but hand stuff only.
REALcornbread
Its way more than the min sample size needed for 4% error and 95% confidence level. As long as the people were truly randomly selected.
ThrashAndChemistry
Interesting to hear. I'm legit curious, do you know what a good sample size for a 95% confidence interval is for a situation like this?
REALcornbread
About 600 would be the minimum sample size for a population of 320mil. For these opinion polls they usually use over 800 though I think.
boardembraker
Population size is irrelevant. Random selection is all that matters.
REALcornbread
Check out this calculator, theres tons of them online with explainations about what the statistical variables are and how they factor in
mikeatike
And probably all from the same locale.
Leinfors
Read the methodology link before assuming they are from the same location.
VagrantDust
So true. In this era of global tech and shelter in place rules, it is entirely reasonable to assume they did the survey in just one place.
saosini
Shit if there was only a web of wires that were invisible, connecting people to each other. Call it a inter-phone or something
kingkongkeom
Yep...house to house, while trying to sell used vacuum cleaners and knife sets
Leinfors
But why assume when there is literally a link to the methodology.
VagrantDust
Because assuming is much more fun and lets us ignore what we don't like.