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David Hancock is retired Navy SEAL. He served as spokesman for Kyle Rittenhouse and his family during the 2021 trial.
Here's a 2021 profile from T̶h̶e̶ ̶G̶u̶a̶r̶d̶i̶a̶n̶ The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-david-hancock-verdict-b1961156.html
ASVAB stands for The Armed Service Vocational Aptitude Battery. Maximum score is a 99. Minimal acceptable score is a 31.
Mr21782Man
"If I had known" There must be so pretty low intelligence standards for being a Navy SEAL. All the evidence was there. He illegally bought a gun and crossed state lines because he wanted to be a vigilante.
stonebreaker6
Fuck this guy for even helping in the first place.
oldandfat
The guy writing this seems like a dick. He's complicit in getting this murderer set free.
opusupo
Thank you David Hancock, for helping a murderer walk free.
sherlockhooves
Holy shit this is true?! I thought this was a fake post circling the net, but fuck me. Kyle "the murderer" Rittenhouse is so stupid that the marines won't take him. And fuck the reich wing for helping him stack his murder trial. Unlimited funds and alt reich propaganda gave that kid a walk. This is even more evidence he should be in jail right now.
CoarseAndSalty
It's almost as if poor parenting an a lack of consequences isn't the best way to build a person that's useful in society.
GlenL
Imagine being told you're too stupid for cannon fodder
johnvictor
Did he really not graduate from MIDDLE school? I mean, my middle school experience sucked because of shits like him but if you were breathing you basically passed.
Filanwizard
Honestly i would not want someone who is obsessed with killing to be in the military. There is a difference between understanding why the trigger needs to be pulled and getting great enjoyment from it. Those who greatly enjoy it when the target is people are a warcrime waiting to happen.
Leatherneck1833
United States Marine Corps are true professionals. They specialize in perfection of combined arms.
stsword
Who thought Kyle was a kid with a bright future? His supporters like that he's a murderous little shit, that was the entire point for them.
giomama
We're looking at the next DJT
Zahnradfee
He doesn't have the familial or financial background for that.
StarscreamAndHutch
Maybe you shouldn’t have been involved from the jump. This kid and his family are shit. People were murdered and you worked to make sure he stayed free. Saying you wanted to put him on a path might let you sleep at night, enabler.
enderite
TooRexyForMyShirt
Shittenhouse Simps :tm: incoming in 3...2...1...
lurkmoarjono
"show bad replies".... shit.
eromitlab
So, turns out a noted piece of shit is even shittier than you thought he was.
TheMouseOfMadness
It's not the first time he's done this. You don't become an expert at turning an irredeemable piece of shit like rittenhouse into a boy with a future and morals, even if only just long enough to keep him out of prison, unless you've had practice. How many other monsters has he shined up and kept free to roam among us?
kadaeux
Let’s be honest. He didn’t do that, for all his hard work he failed at it. The only reason Rittenhouse got away with it was equally awful humans.
frenofafren
Dumb as a box of rocks and even then we're insulting the rocks.
SkeletorOverlordofEvil
At least a rock could hold something down, or become a sculpture or landmark.
WarlockSniper
Granted, so could Kyle Slaughterhouse. I propose encasing in cement as a statue to warn for far right-wing extremism and domestic terrorism.
shinakuma2
And for that matter, what has the box done to you that you would compare it so disfavorably?
richardstinks
I took the ASVAB without even trying and couldn't shake recruiters from my phone. Damn, Kyle. You're as stupid as I suspected graduating on a basics level and failing to be cannon fodder.
LazyUsername99
Yeah. I was enlisting in the Army and hadn't taken it, my recruiter took me to Fort Lee and told me to call him when I was done and he'd come pick me up. I got a 99/100 General and a 128/130 GT and when I called him he thought I had quit the test because he hadn't made it back to his car yet.
pachyderm
I upvoted this but what kind of POS would agree to help make the lie that got the little cunt off the hook ?
sadurdaynight
The kind that saw enough dollar signs to decide to do it. Then shit talk it afterwards like they were trying to help some lost lamb instead of a psycho.
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BrigidtheMechLady
Alternative test: 1 question, 'What is your name?" If you get it wrong, you pass.
Wokerati
There's no big hand. Or a 6.
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alloutofmondays
I think the representative didn’t give the full picture.
To be permanently disqualified, I think you have to score under a 10 because that puts you in the realm of developmentally disabled. 5 and under is severe mental disability. A 1 is you’re a vegetable, or close to it.
21 they’ll tutor you, 20 and under they tell you tough luck but I’ve never heard anybody get under a 10 that didn’t have severe mental disability.
Marine0311
Yeah.. NO. That is not how it works, at all. The ASVAB is NOT an IQ test, it is a placement test to determine the best jobs you are suited to in the military.
alloutofmondays
You should at least look up something about the test before opening your mouth and proving you’re an idiot to their world. The ASVAB is so basic that it’s really just testing your ability to learn and retain information. Which is why when I say a score under 10 is developmentally disabled, I mean it basically puts you at around a 2nd grade level for education/knowledge.
For example, I got a 99 on my ASVAB. That puts me in the top 1%. You cannot get a higher score. A 10 is well below average.
zrobacov
Even then, there is still a waiver you could get that will allow you entrance even below the minimum score. You only get the terrible jobs at that point, but somehow they still got in.
alloutofmondays
The waiver only applies if you have like a 30. And only if you have one excellent score that is offset by several other bad scores. 20 and under they won’t allow a waiver.
leodavinci1
Have to presume that's the Marines' idea of charity... which really doesn't come as a surprise.
therealalansmithee
Pretty much fed up and done with all these right wing enablers who are expressing remorse long after the fact. Where were their spines when it mattered?
Jarjarthejedi
Your mistake is assuming their remorse isn't /also/ a lie. They didn't grow a spine, they decided they could make more $$$ by changing their tune. That's it. You never see these kinds of people actually sorry about what they did, just sorry it didn't work the way they wanted it to.
EchoPMIM
If they had spines they wouldn't have been right wingers in the first place...
ontarioOT
Fuck all these goofballs, including David Hancock, who lied to help this shitheel get a not guilty verdict.
sadurdaynight
"i figured if i gave this person that had already shown a willingness to abuse power to hurt others a free pass and level up then they would use it for good." folks usually only value something based on how much they pay for it. So, rittenhouse not only got his slate wiped clean but got a free ride after at pretty much no charge.. And they're surpised he chose to remain a d bag. Smh
muchLongerUsername
My school made the ASVAB 'not-mandatory-but-all-the-males-have-to'. I initially took it seriously, but didn't find it very challenging, and grew restless and bored about halfway through. I drew a sailboat in the scantron bubbles as a sort of protest. I still scored high enough that the navy wanted me to operate a nuclear reactor for them. 🙄
WhatTheFrench
Is it 100% multiple choice or is there a written element?
muchLongerUsername
I don't recall - I mostly remember the multiple choice fill in the bubbles bit.
WhatTheFrench
I just wondered, if there was a written portion, if he could have been permanently disqualified based on writing something appalling in it.
Thisusedyet
You drew a sailboat in your answer key, and you wonder why the navy wanted you?
Zahnradfee
Navy: "We want you to operate our nuclear reactor!"
Dude: "Last time I looked sailships had no nuclear reactors."
EugeneEff
Im pretty sure I scored in the mid 90s on the ASVAB. I always thought they gave everyone high scores to encourage you to join.
redskullcap
Yeah, I scored a 97 and missed two pages because they were stuck together, and I didn't realize it until the time was almost up. That he didn't even make a 31 is astounding to me. I also regret taking it because I was harassed by recruiters for the next two years.
EugeneEff
Also I can always appreciate someone seeing the errors in their ways, but still kind of fuck this guy for helping Kyle get away with murder.
NappaTheFriendlyGhost
I was a middle school dropout to GED student and got high enough on it to have some potential engineering MOSs its mostly logic and stuff you learn early in school out side of the more esoteric stuff like the language learning section.
KillingTlme
I thought ASVAB had a max score of like 220? I am probably wrong, but taking that test to get out of class was a bad move, because I spent the next year dealing with recruiters.
KillingTlme
Maybe I am remembering it wrong, and there were like 220 questions.
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Marine0311
No, the max is a 99 for the AFQT score. The AFQT score is what is used to determine basic eligibility to enlist. It's a percentile score, it's not possible to get a 100. What is really important, are your line scores. Those are compiled from the various sub-tests using a formula that's different for each branch. Those are the main deciding factor as to the jobs you are able to get.
Marine0311
LOL, hell no. It's a percentile score, (not percentage, there's a huge difference,) the highest you can get it on it is a 99. The average is a 50. I got a 97, which means I scored better than 97% of the people who took the test in my age group.
eromitlab
I remember never getting a choice. All the juniors at my high school were herded into the cafeteria one morning and, surprise, it's the ASVAB. I scored high and got a few years of recruiters trying to sucker me into something I never wanted to pursue to begin with. (This was a southern high school, with a typical administration of coat-and-tie dictators who demand they be called "sir.")
roughingupthesuspect
Permanently disqualified from entering the Marines. Damn, that dude is a fucking brick.
TheGriffin
And that's insulting to bricks! Like, I almost feel bad for the guy, being that blitheringly stupid
ALovelyTime
Permanently disqualified sounds like a devastating burn lol
roughingupthesuspect
Did so bad they were just like,“ we aren’t even going to let you take the test again..”
Barkinsons
I wonder how you even get that low, I've seen people in the army who were probably too dumb to piss in a toilet.
roughingupthesuspect
The ASVAB is pretty simple. Either he didn’t even try to answer correctly thinking it didn’t matter or he has legitimately diminished mental capacity.
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omgzwtfs
The only way to instill firearm responsibility and mental stability is to give them guns at a young age, clearly his parents waited too long /s
bourbonandbaddecisions
Undisciplined swine with his finger on the trigger.
littlecoatfatguy
I’d say it’s hard to teach that discipline to a seven-year-old, but it’s not.
DarkRedCape
I think I’d be more surprised if his finger wasn’t on the trigger
PostalHeathen
I've met a few people who got the minimum score, and those are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever met. If he couldn't accomplish even that... Wow.
SlickWithaLimerick
I scored so high that they had me retake the test at MEPS, right after they had told me I was not guaranteed the job the recruiter promised me. I flunked it intentionally. Bullet dodged, maybe literally.
amk1031
is it a knowledge test? or an ethics test?
PostalHeathen
Partly knowledge and partly aptitude, as I recall. They want to see what kind of jobs you might be capable of doing. If you can score in the 90s, the recruiter will bend over backwards to get you in a uniform. The ethics is something they hope to instill in training.
sunyudai
There is also a time factor - faster completion weighs into the placement percentile (how I got the max score despite missing one question). But yeah, aptitude + knowledge.
TacoPuncher
He lost most of his points out the gate when he misspelled his own name /j
gotigs
ASVAB scores are a percentile score based on how you do vs. all the other test takers of the same age - so a score of 31 means bottom 31%.
amp99
Site with sample questions in various categories, for anyone who's interested: https://www.officialasvab.com/applicants/sample-questions/
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
I took it to get out of class for half a day back in highschool. That was a mistake. Recruiters wouldn't leave me alone for a couple years after that. It's really easy to ace that shit. Being so low they won't let you take it again is incredible.
mairusupawa
Okay, the bar is low.
minqapoc
Really low considering i just aced that and english isn't my first language. Holy shit.
DrLOAC
Thanks. Interesting test. A mixture of middle school math, English and science along with trade skills (electronics, automotive, and woodworking). Got a 100%.
BEARD3DBEANIEE
yeah I definitely didn't get a 100% but wouldn't be hard to study for something like that tbh and definitely can't believe he didn't pass it.
mangonel
A couple are dumb, with no right answer. The "why does salt melt ice" question only offered a restatement of the question. And the "which shelf holds most weight" depends where on the shelf you put the weight.
hobbitdoc
Might want to research those a bit more. There is no question that double supports farthest from the fulcrum are going to be far stronger than any other configuration given. Is isn't even close. And salt lowering the melting point of ice is a classic answer on par with "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell". It simply demonstrates that someone paid attention for five minutes.
mangonel
The supports at the outside edge are only better if there is something to stop the back end (your fulcrum) from tilting and sliding down. If the shelf has finite thickness, and shelf and wall are 100 percent rigid, then yah I would take your answer, otherwise no I would support in the middle to minimise the maximum of the moment when loaded centrally.
Sooner70
To be faaaaair.... Virtually everything in the ASVAB is simple/basic. Any reasonably intelligent person should be able to answer every question correctly. The trick is that when you take the exam it's timed. And they deliberately don't give enough time for most people to finish. The idea isn't "can you answer this question". Everyone should be able to! The idea is "HOW FAST can you answer this question?" That's how they really start sorting folks out.
LuminoZero
You'd have made an excellent Navy Nuke (propulsion, not bombs). They generally look for 90+, and the majority of them are 95+. Good money in it, so long as you can take lots of written tests.
DrLOAC
Thanks! My Dad actually did nuclear safety work for naval reactors as a contractor. I currently just work human spaceflight safety.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Man, IDK. I got a 98 on that test in high school and I'm nowhere near that level of competency.
LuminoZero
You'd be surprised what you're capable of. It's more measuring your ability to learn the material they need to teach you. They don't expect you to have ANY competency upon enlistinng.
Thatknifeguy
I took it out of curiosity and only missed one of the automotive ones, the sparkplug question. Just never ran into that knowledge before.
DrLOAC
I hadn’t either so had to take an educated guess. Got lucky.
LazyUsername99
Yeah... I mean, I'm no rocket surgeon. I'm not an idiot, but I'm not a genius, and I've led an entirely unremarkable life. I got a 99/100 on the ASVAB. It is an insanely easy test for anyone with two brain cells to rub together. You've got to be some degree of mentally incapacitated to fail it so bad they won't let you retake it.
sherlockhooves
Same, I had recruiters from the Airforce and Army practically begging me to join their intelligence divisions
Sageypie
Same. Scored 99, and my senior year became this unending drama of FUCKING RECRUITERS having me pulled out of class and up to the office to talk to them about "my future". Like...I feel like this wasn't an entirely legal thing for the school to up and allow to happen, looking back at it now. But yeah, at the time, the Iraq war had just kicked off and I really didn't want to sidetrack going to college just so I could go off to protect oil interests and help oppress another country.
Macewindow54
I'm pretty sure the asvab only goes to 99. You did good.
LazyUsername99
IIRC the General went to 100 and the technical went 130, but it's been two decades so *shrugs* I know I qualified for literally every job they had, so I didn't feel compelled to look into specifics past that. (And of course my dumb ass went "Ooooo helicopter are cooool" instead of picking a job that would have trained me to do something that paid well. So clearly I'm not THAT smart."
SleepyHollowAppleTree
So far below the minimum that they banned him, that's got to be like a 5 or some shit.
GlenL
Let's just say, he spelled USMC with a six
DavidBrooker
Which is kinda a good thing in principle. The reason for rejecting marginal scores is because they are simply not effective soldiers (or marines) and reduce overall unit performance. But the reason for rejecting *terrible* scores is because these people literally do not know enough to give informed consent to the hazards of military service. They're very different ideas.
oakleaves
I’d kinda like to see politicians pop tested on live camera with their answers and scores posted in place of a debate.
sevenfingerman
31
SleepyHollowAppleTree
That's the minimum, his score was so far below the minimum that he is banned permanently from joining up.
HowlingRollercoaster2
Dont try too hard to explain, 7 finger man actually has 5 fingers and doesn't know it.
MrRobSteel
He ate the test paper and smeared faeces across the wall.
KiwiGameDev
Nah if you can eat without assistance you get at least a 15
KommissarLyus
God damn.. all he had to do was draw a straight line between 2 dots using a crayon.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
The real challenge for them is reading the instructions...
battleofhastings1066
Holy cow! The Marines only require a 31 on the ASVAB for acceptance. That is super low.
Ughffs
Exactly why all other branches call them crayon eaters.
DdCno1
The media may have created this image of being an elite troop, but in reality, marines have always been disposable cannon fodder fighting with whatever is left.
fractalsphere
I had never looked at it before, tried the sample questions and if someone can't get a basic HS score on this test they're truly an idiot.
Marine0311
It's 31 for all the branches except the Coast guard, which is 36. The Navy and Army will even allow waivers for certain jobs if you get under a 31.
WynnCreek
I'm shocked, shocked, well not that shocked.
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
Well, that's with a caveat. 31 is if you have a traditional HS diploma. If you don't (like having a GED or home-schooled), it's 50.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Yup, I have a Good Enough Diploma and was required to get a minimum of 50 (I scored 92 but, really, that doesn't mean anything).
slack3rdav3
feel like the AF cops require a 50.
CoarseAndSalty
The ASVAB math wasn't nothing. I don't know if I would have gotten a 31 with no High School education.
LazyUsername99
That's fair. But 31 is out of 100. You can blow every math question on the test and still have 80.
JustAnotherPOG
It's a bit more complicated than that. The percentile score is based on where you land in the rankings of people on specific portions of the test. The math portion is counted double, and the other two are more reading-based. If you blew all of the math questions, then you would get, at best, half the points, and presumably that would put you well below the 80th percentile of test takers.
kozzillakilla
I got an 88. All the Air Force kids got over 90. I met someone who got a 51. She… did not understand how bad that was, and they kept me with her at MEPS and it felt like they were trying to embarrass both of us.
Marine0311
It's a percentile score. All of the "Air Force Kids" didnt get over a 90, that's not how it works. The average score is a 50, so there's nothing wrong with a 51.
kozzillakilla
Oh I just saw your username lol I’m sorry but you were probably lied to. 51 is … not great. This was 2010 tho so maybe things have changed since then. Til then have a nice blue crayon to calm you down.
kozzillakilla
I mean I don’t know what you think you know my guy, but at MEPS we were all comparing test scores before meeting up and swearing in
Horus175
You get 20 points for spelling your name correctly on the paper.
LanceCorporalBadger
How much for not eating the crayon you signed it with?
RevolutionOnHerLips
.....why would you not eat the crayon?
ALovelyTime
That’s the other 11
WynnCreek
I mean it's not fair they make you use the blue crayon which as we all know, is the tastiest.
Fallatus
I thought it was the red ones?
snrsquishy101
The crayons are complimentary but you actually get bonus points for finishing them all
sevenfingerman
“He genuinely believes he is the show pony we created..”
This has so much “Leporads ate my face” vibes. The person who wrote this is starting to become aware that rewarding someone for murder just increases the likelihood that they murder again. It is only a matter of time before Kyle tries to create another situation where he can play hero.
cepacolusmaximus
probably about 6 months
gdex86
Frankenstein upset at the monster he made.
But seriously fuck this guy. All this shit was obvious but you wanted to craft a symbol. You took malleable clay and molded it to this shape and fired it to harden it. You'll do it again if you think you can craft the perfect white teen who is being done wrong by the liberal world. Your just upset he isn't keeping the money train flowing to you as respect for what you did.
Snooj
Yeah, what's with that "If I had known what I know now about Kyle's history" bullshit? You needed to know *more* than what the general public already knew? Get the fuck outta here, complicit asshole.
phalanxausage
"If I had known he would turn into the thing I poured tons of effort to turn him into I never would have done so. Except for when I did. On purpose."
sevenfingerman
Also, just want to point out that the ASVAB is a percentile test, getting a 31 means that 69 percent of people who took the test did better than you. So, if Kyle got below a 31 than he really is an idiot.
khora
Half the population is below average.
sevenfingerman
Yes, by definition
DavidBrooker
Not really. Plenty of distributions are asymmetric. For example, because of the complications involved in negative net wealth, its essentially a one-sided distribution, and something like 80% of Americans are below average in that regard.
sevenfingerman
Thank you for clarifying.
CheshireCad
That's not the case, even in a purely mathematical model. And in real life, depending on the context and what's being tested, most people are hovering close enough to the average that they're basically indistinguishable. There's a reason why statistics use a bell-curve model.
Although, in Kyle's case, he would be distinguishable. Revoltingly, cringingly distinguishable.
Badprenup
That's a good point. Two examples of 10 people, with intelligence rated between 0 and 20:
1. 5 people score a 9 on the intelligence scale, and 5 score an 11.
2. 9 people score a 9 on the intelligence scale, and 1 scores a 19.
Both have an average of 10, but in the second example 90% of people were "below average"
Allrighty
I really wonder what made this guy think Rittenhouse deserved a second chance at such great expense, considering he of all people knew he wasn't the promising young man with a bright future he had to appear to get that second chance.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Money. The dude is part of the same fuckbag crowd Kyle runs in. He got paid for it. He coached Kyle.
He got a murderer off, and is proud of it still.
freshthrowaway1138
The guy was a Navy SEAL. They are the erratic cowboys of the special operations people. They are overly violent and notoriously under plan their missions. Read some of their books and you'll see the most narcissistic bunch of psychos that are unfortunately very good at killing and surviving.
PostalHeathen
Isn't writing a book about their service supposed to be something of a no-no for special forces types? Like, they're not supposed to brag about it?
freshthrowaway1138
Which has been a constant problem as well. They are narcissists who break opsec repeatedly.
khora
Technically not murder. Pre-meditated self defense perhaps?
iusedtodream
Bet you score under 30 on the ASVAB too =)
AreYouABadPerson
What a limp-dick teeeEEeechnically bullshit defense. He went there to murder people. He succeeded.
Allrighty
He may have been found not guilty but this post is exactly about detailing how much effort they had to put into getting that outcome.
januarylover
I think you forgot the s/ tag buddy
januarylover
Oh shit, just read your replies, you actually believe that
Retrikaethan
"pre-meditated self defense" is literally a form of murder.
khora
Not literally. Murder is illegal, and for some infuriating reason what he did was legal.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
If I kill you in cold blood, go to trial and am found innocent of your murder for any reason, it doesn't mean I didn't commit murder. It means I *got away with murder*. It was still murder and still illegal, regardless whether I was convicted or not.
Retrikaethan
definitely literally. the judge had the jury excise some crucial evidence from the proceedings.
Ragabash1
In a city & state he didn't live in, with a gun that wasn't even his to "protect" people and businesses that didn't ask for help. And honesty who wears latex gloves and armed to a protest, screams "my finger prints aren't on the murder weapon"
khora
It wasn't murder. A jury said it wasn't murder.
LordLobster
A jury also said O.J was innocent. That doesn't make it a reality.
Retrikaethan
there's a phrase known as "abortion of justice" that you ought to be made aware of.
khora
I think the supreme court in United States v. Olano only defines it as someone wrongfully convicted, not wrongfully not guilty. But they have been full of crap for a long while.
alloutofmondays
If you’re going somewhere you know you could potentially be in danger, brandish a weapon, and shoot somebody that attacked you for brandishing said weapon, most normal people that aren’t busy guzzling Trump’s cum from his tiny dick would call that murder.
Pre meditation makes it murder, you can’t pre meditate self defense because the pre meditation suggests you instigated the conflict. Can’t claim self defense if you start the fight.
khora
What's next? Storming the capitol because you don't like the outcome of an election?
alloutofmondays
Woah there, that was a bunch of tourists that just happened to get out of hand. They definitely didn’t talk about hanging former VP Pence.
khora
They were just joking. And peaceful. And antifa. But really FBI.
SomeDetroitGuy
It 100% was murder.
khora
A jury said no. Please respect the legal system. Don't go storming the capitol or burn down a courthouse.
januarylover
If we 'respect the legal system' without questioning it, we also accept wrongful convictions like the Central Park Five. We accept the disparity between sentences handed out to BIPOC compared to white defendants. We accept white supremacists making a plan to cross state lines in order to shoot black people. Respect is earned. Respect for the system SHOULD be conditional & questioned. The system is flawed & biased.
TinaTheWonderBra
Please respect the legal system? Hahahaha… oh wait you’re serious, let me laugh even harder.
Jarjarthejedi
Oh yeah, the infallible legal system that is the sole decider of what is and isn't reality. The one that also says OJ isn't a murderer. Yeah, let's totally give that the full "respect" it deserves.
MrAmalgamate
The text in the post literally describes the insane lengths they went through to convince the jury. False conclusions are drawn all the time in the legal system, just because “the jury said no” does not mean he is innocent.
khora
I does mean that he is innocent. Doesn't mean he didn't wanted to kill someone, drove to a different state with a weapon and put himself in a position where he could kill someone.