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"The Winter War, also known as the First Soviet-Finnish War, was a war between the Soviet Union and Finland. Despite superior military strength, especially in tanks and aircraft, the Soviet Union suffered severe losses and initially made little headway. The League of Nations deemed the attack illegal and expelled the Soviet Union from the organisation.
The Soviets made several demands, including that Finland cede substantial border territories in exchange for land elsewhere, claiming security reasons"
Exactly what Russia's doing now in Ukraine. Make up bogus security claims to invade the territory of another country. Maybe these need to be returned to Finland??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_question
SideShotNL
And good luck finding any Finnish people in the ceded territories
MooseOnTheLoose
We still use "Suomi-neito" for describing our country. Tho our lovely neighbor took her left arm and part of the dress.
Spurdopaavali
Finns are not innocent. There is no excuse for continuation war after winter war. Im a finn.
jaakkopaakkonen
You may want to pinpoint Helsinki and Leningrad on that map
8166uy
And Königsberg needs te split off and become a city state. Also not going to happen in the coming decennia.
danlei
Just let the Republic of Karelia be independent and give those lands to it. Probably much better neighbour than the current one.
giganticroboticpenguin
Russia also did this to Japan with islands on the border.
Seanspeed
Russia's justifications are more like Hitler and the Sudetenland, though actions/results since have been a lot like Finland 1939-40.
REVENGE488
Finland got screwed over so bad
khzarn
We don't want it back. It would just be an endless money pit. That money would be better off spent on a on -92 Toyota Celica.
Frederf
The Gulf of Finland islands look suspiciously like a potato; no wonder they fought over it.
OmnipotentBeing
Must get the potato area for to make Vodka.
wunwunfun
Gulf of Bothnia lookth nithe
teuro
We should return the old legal border back. The 1323 Nöteborg border that is.
noneedstoknow
Hanko werent taken i would say
Acciopower
Yes it was. It was also taken back. By force.
CouchCarrot
TBF, Finland did side with the Nazis.
Santac99
Because no one else wanted to help them keep their independence.
aaaaaandimdone
What is Russia doing now? Genocide. It's called Genocide.
phordlesscone
RuSSia already has 10k troops along the Finnish border. Buried six feet deep.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
200.000+*
phordlesscone
ye I was off a lil' bit, to be fair, I tried to google it, but I didn't find anything really conclusive so I went with what sounded right
weebs1397
Watch The Unknown Soldier
Navraeth
No thanks, we good without them
Kuvajainen
It's a nice thought but it might not be worth the effort to have those lands back. Russia has neglected them for so long.
eddiesm
If every modern country were to give back territories gained in war or otherwise, the map of the entire globe would be completely redrawn.
TheBlackob
But how far do we need to go back in time? Stoping before or after the napoleotic wars (as an example) draws 2 completly different maps.
tzen003
Suomi mainittu.
somnif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbmgOiQWjc A remarkable number of similarities between the Winter war and the current war.
labyrinthconvention
ah neat. I like that guy's videos
joble
We have this beer brand in Finland which is called Karelia. We say when you open this bottle that let's get Karelia back one bottle at the t
amirtal
Also... they sided with the nazis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_in_World_War_II
Santac99
Because no one else wanted to help them keeping their indepence.
cyberspork
wait, finland is real?? I have been told time and time again it was a myth!
cyberspork
just in case it wasnt clear /s https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/
eightyearplan
after two cups of cynicism, starting to wonder if bots, trolls, and those against good social programs take the joke a little too seriously
ToasterDent
In an infinite universe there are, on average, zero Finns. But locally here on Earth there are a finite number of Finns.
MrBitches
Thanks for the map! I forgot the league of nations was a thing.
leperoutcastunclean
Failure*
CroissantMagnet
maybe because it was useless
ballpeenX
Pretty much like the UN
LewdSomnambulist
It effectively wasnt
o4kill
So did everyone
Itcanbedone
Yeah, it was mostly handled by Raz AL ghul but later went to his daughter.
fformulaa
I wonder if they rolled around in a snazzy car?
RaptorCav
You're thinking of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. OP was discussing the League of Extraordinary Rendition.
MenloPart
beneaththeradar
Russia has a long and storied history of getting fucking rekt by much smaller Nations. See also: Russo-Japanese war.
vladvimpaler
Japan would then get one of its first major defeats 35 years later in Mongolia by the Russians.
zHurk777
The russian Z isn't doing as well as the Japanese Z Flag. ha ha.
TheJewishSpaceLaser
Also Chechnya. Also Afghanistan.
spaceisnotthathard
Russia losing its entire tsarist military to a khan scouting force is legendary.
vladvimpaler
But that scouting force was led by the greatest general of all time.
Filanwizard
I am thinking Russia just has never developed the skills to truly project power, The fact they STILL lack air dominance over Ukraine. 1/
gelos
Just came to say that they STILL lack air dominance over Ukraine. Which proves you right overall
Filanwizard
is almost totally unfathomable by western minds. Where in NATO, Especially the USA makes ownership of the sky the first priority in warfare
Filanwizard
if you cannot own the sky you may as well leave the tanks at home, Tanks are awesome but they work best with a team.
RaptorCav
See also: 1920 Russo-Polish War (one of two times Poland has been successful at warfare)
Kats8652
Poland-Lithuania would like to have a word with you.
RaptorCav
Who said that wasn't the other time? (Obviously, I was only thinking about the defense/relief of Vienna...)
Mafalin
Was just gonna say, this sounds like when people say the French can't win wars... :)
kwyjiboner
My Finnish great grandmother came from a place ow inside Russia territory (outside Viborg)
HeavyBaryon
Yes, and they went all over the planet because the treatment from the "real" Finns.
LaLLe
You had me confused for a second. I grew up i Viborg. A 35k+ city in denmark. A city founded around year 900
Promethianfire
A friend's wife is Finnish, her grandmother was born a subject of the Tsar.
kwyjiboner
*Vyborg
Monster0Grendel
Same here. I asked my Dad where his Finnish grandparents were from in Finland ... he said its now part of Russia.
landystarplanet
Same here, my Dads farm is now part of Russia
MrHailstone
My grandparents came from Königsberg, now Kaliningrad. Proud prussian City for hundreds of years. Now most likely a shithole
TargunYssboern
Well that doesn't count, Germany lost Königsberg in ww2
MrHailstone
Still not sure why it doesent belong to poland
TargunYssboern
Because Russia took it. Poland wasn't really in place to decide because it was under Soviet occupation.
ilyasInternetSmuggler
Russians are brave when losing to their small neighbours. Their canon fodder soldiers aren't brave dealing with their endless Dictators.
vladvimpaler
And when they defeat other peoples dictators like Napoleon and Hitler.
TheSupremeCrabMaster
You can do anything when you value life as little as Russian leaders do.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
That's how empires grow: they pick fights that seem easy. When they take on another empire, we get a worldwide war.
gelos
This comment aged like a good wine, which I'm now having while looking at their most recent follry
CloakedFigure
I wish someone would just smoke Putin so we can all move on to better things
superheavydeathmetal
It has always astounded me that, with all of its natural resources, Russia has the potential to be as prosperous as the United States, but …
Stargrave3000
Resource trap. Same as Saudi Arabia.
superheavydeathmetal
… has been subjected to such despotic leadership throughout so much of its history.
Taxicat
Honestly, their entire culture seems to be so heavily steeped in the “crab bucket mentality” than I wonder if they’ll ever be able to >
Taxicat
>escape despotism when they seek to actively seek it out at every opportunity.