ALL women... Exactly that! I didn't know 'intersectional feminist ' was a thing, but apparently I am one, don't say you support women, if it isn't all women!
What gets me is people that call themselves a feminist without being vegan. You're basically supporting the sexual exploitation of females (The industry jokingly refer to their "rape racks"), and the continual kidnapping and murder of their children... Until their bodies are worn out and then they kill the mother.
I wouldnt retract my support for an individual woman for being trans, which I recognize is the point here, but lets also recognize that not all women deserve support.
Its crazy to claim to support all women, a ton of them are garbage humans. Nazi women need face punching too.
Theres got to be a better, more accurate way to get across that trans women deserve at least as much support as other women, without implying that you support MAGA women in ICE.
Feminism doesn't mean you can't critique evil women. It just means misogony isn't suddenly ok because that woman was evil. Good: Thatcher is an asshole because she disregarded human life, Bad: Thatcher is an asshole because she is a woman
I'd argue "intersectional" is a poor word word to use here, compared to something like "holistic feminism". However, I'm aware that the "intersectional" phrase has already been co-opted to describe that women do not all experience sexism the same way, so feminism should address the needs and voices of women from many backgrounds, not just one group. It aims to make gender equality efforts more inclusive and more aware of how power works across multiple identities. Clumsy, in my opinion.
Yes, my first thought as well. While Kimberly Crenshaw originally described intersectionality in the framework of black women and the justice system, the phenomena of unique lived experiences has been extrapolated to mean the way in which a person's "positionality" experiences macro systems (e.g.: disabled person and mass transit, nuerodivergents and corporate employers, etc.)
I mean it should kinda go without saying right? I'm sure there's some feminists who are nonetheless bigoted towards some subgroup but I wouldn't imagine thats common. Anyway it's a valid point no doubt.
No, it's actually pretty common. Feminism has had issues with racism and bigotry towards queer people throughout it's history. There are a lot of people that only see social justice as a vehicle to fix any oppression they face, but then want to pull the ladder right up on anyone else. TERFs are just the loudest current example of it.
Feminism doesn't mean you can't critique evil women. It just means misogony isn't suddenly ok because that woman was evil. Good: Thatcher is an asshole because she disregarded human life, Bad: Thatcher is an asshole because she is a woman
To everyone going "really, all women, even ? haha gotcha", shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down. We're talking about women's R I G H T S which must be non-negotiable for all women. Having rights does not excuse any of them from bad behavior or their consequences, and nobody is saying it should.
She's right though, women really are the ones putting down and voting against other women. When white women wanted rights, they really only wanted it for white women.
No. Men are also doing all this. But it's an effect of misogyny that we find a greater fault in them for working against the best interests of women in general, than we do in men for holding more power and choosing to use it to oppress.
It's not because misogyny primes everyone to be more critical of women than of men, regardless of context. A lot of people feel that right-wing women are worse than the men because... enter any number of justifications that boil down to an instinctual desire to judge women and find them lacking.
It is because misogyny does prime everyone to be critical of women. I'm a dude, I know for a fact that women with rights and jobs means they won't be property at home. And women are still looked at as assets and property. Right wing women are the worst. They were raised like that and believe in it.
It's incredible how many people here are trying to justify making exceptions when literally the whole point, and the verbatim quote, say that intersectional feminism is about supporting ALL women.
in agreement with jmtn, but also no actually you still have to support the idea that harming fascists specifically for or by their minority status is still wrong. when you're sexist towards a fascist you arent just hurting the fascist with your sexism, you're normalizing using sexism as a weapon. same with other bigotries. we have better weapons anyways, you dont need to use that
Nobody's asking you to holy shit. We're talking about women's R I G H T S which must be non-negotiable for all women. Having rights does not excuse you from bad behavior or their consequences you fucking idiot
If you squint at the concept of equality, it might look like either making men less capable of violent crime, or making women more capable of committing violent crime. Since it doesn't look like "less" is happening, then for true equality women must become as dastardly. In that point of view, The Monstrous Maxwell is feminist, except that the victims were not equal opportunity in that they were mostly undervalued female children sacrificed by thousands of complicit traffickers to rich men.
Yep. There is enough to attack her for that hasn't to do with her being a woman right? Feminism doesn't mean you can't hold women accountable. It just means you shouldn't do it on the basis that they happen to be women.
I mean, I support her right to a fair trail and equal rights as any man in her position, with equitable punishment. Supporting someones rights is not the same as supporting their actions, even Nazi's had the right to a trail, quite famously so.
Some of them. A lot of ethnic Germans and Nazis were slaughtered too. Most famously in Czechoslovakia but pretty much all over. I guess you can excuse it bc look what they did but it was a black eye for the whole world.
I don’t think she should be denied any opportunities because she is a woman. She should be denied opportunities because she’s propping up a dictator for personal gain.
There's a difference between disagreeing/disliking someone because of what they do vs. disliking/disagreeing with what they do because of their plumbing; Melania's value, or lack of value, as a human being isn't because of her gender, it's because of her choices.
Supporting women means supporting women, generally.... there will always be evil women (Melania, JK Rowling, Ivanka Trump, Margaret Thatcher, Marine Le Pen, Cardi B).
That's not hat that means you thick fuck. Melania does not deserve to be a victim of sexism and misogyny. She does not deserve to be considered of less value than a man because of her gender. That's what supporting women means in an intersectional context. Please go fucking learn about this shit instead of repeating stupid 'Lean In' trash feminism from the 90's like that shit is still relevant.
My use of profanity is incidental to my argument. If you go through life ignoring actual reasoning because the tone hurt your feelings, then no wonder you're thick as fuck.
If you can pick and choose which women you support as women - you aren't supporting women. It's easy to exclude other groups like trans or poor or pregnant or black women. Fuck that.
If Melania came to her senses and divorced Donny - I'd support that. No woman, no matter how much a soulless witch she might be, should be stuck in a marriage with that thing.
I thought that was Margaret Thatcher, but remembered she's already dead. So who is that? Is that Kristi Noem? Pam Bondi? Marjorie Taylor Green? Lauren Boobert? That airhead press sec'y that makes excuses for Trump? Liz Truss? The boss of Oracle? Ghislaine Maxwell? The Premier of Alberta? Amy Coney Barrett?
You know how often you hear the term "beloved novelist" to describe authors of books that are popular with young people? Maybe JKR just really hated the beloved part.
Part of acknowledging people’s rights is the right for them to be pompous assholes. It is fascism that seeks to suppress thought. She’s free to think her thoughts, we are free to fight her influence by voting or boycotting
I think you have to support or acknowledge at minimum, the fact she identifies as one and should be treated as such, but you do not have to respect or like the douche canoe.
Worth noting that she wrote under “JK Rowling” because she thought that having a woman’s name, Joanne, on the front of the book would hurt sales. She’s cool with gender fluidity when it benefits her.
So gender fluid people are just pretending to be a different gender because it benefits them? Is that what you're saying? Because this doesn't sound like "gender fluidity" at all, and it cheapens the LGBT movement that you'd even make the comparison.
You are colossally missing the point. I was saying that SHE was fine to mask her gender when it would financially benefit her. I am not remotely saying that LGBTQ people are all doing that. Only someone rage-baiting or virtue-signaling would reach your conclusion from my comment.
DYLANLEE79
Fuck Republican women, and don't let them abort the byproducts!
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
She can't cook so I doubt she could shop. I like independant people. - source, her mom.
urusername2
As a man, she's absolutely right. You don't get to pick and choose the women if you want to call yourself a feminist!
EscalatorCongestion
I'm a man, and pretty much all of my favorite people in my life have been women...
CJwhoIsKindToAllKinds
What gets me is people that call themselves a feminist without being vegan. You're basically supporting the sexual exploitation of females (The industry jokingly refer to their "rape racks"), and the continual kidnapping and murder of their children... Until their bodies are worn out and then they kill the mother.
CBadger
I wouldnt retract my support for an individual woman for being trans, which I recognize is the point here, but lets also recognize that not all women deserve support.
Its crazy to claim to support all women, a ton of them are garbage humans. Nazi women need face punching too.
Theres got to be a better, more accurate way to get across that trans women deserve at least as much support as other women, without implying that you support MAGA women in ICE.
TexMexHex
All women. Except my mother. She is evil.
forelle
Feminism doesn't mean you can't critique evil women. It just means misogony isn't suddenly ok because that woman was evil. Good: Thatcher is an asshole because she disregarded human life, Bad: Thatcher is an asshole because she is a woman
TheobromineAddict
I'd argue "intersectional" is a poor word word to use here, compared to something like "holistic feminism". However, I'm aware that the "intersectional" phrase has already been co-opted to describe that women do not all experience sexism the same way, so feminism should address the needs and voices of women from many backgrounds, not just one group. It aims to make gender equality efforts more inclusive and more aware of how power works across multiple identities. Clumsy, in my opinion.
spittleteets
Yes, my first thought as well. While Kimberly Crenshaw originally described intersectionality in the framework of black women and the justice system, the phenomena of unique lived experiences has been extrapolated to mean the way in which a person's "positionality" experiences macro systems (e.g.: disabled person and mass transit, nuerodivergents and corporate employers, etc.)
FeloniousMonk13
I mean it should kinda go without saying right? I'm sure there's some feminists who are nonetheless bigoted towards some subgroup but I wouldn't imagine thats common. Anyway it's a valid point no doubt.
scrumbles666
No, it's actually pretty common. Feminism has had issues with racism and bigotry towards queer people throughout it's history. There are a lot of people that only see social justice as a vehicle to fix any oppression they face, but then want to pull the ladder right up on anyone else. TERFs are just the loudest current example of it.
Bondsmith10
There is a not insignificant group of women who choose to exclude trans women. JK Rowling is a proud figurehead of such people
SavageDrums
Okay, if she's being inclusive that's great, but you do not need to support Megyn Kelly to be a feminist.
PineappleLoopsBroether
I just want to use this gif somewhere
mjperk
Is that Randy Marsh?
PineappleLoopsBroether
Stan Darsh’s dad? Yayaya
painterofdark
Go talk to some Britt's about Marge Thatcher.
forelle
Feminism doesn't mean you can't critique evil women. It just means misogony isn't suddenly ok because that woman was evil. Good: Thatcher is an asshole because she disregarded human life, Bad: Thatcher is an asshole because she is a woman
jrntn
To everyone going "really, all women, even ? haha gotcha", shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down. We're talking about women's R I G H T S which must be non-negotiable for all women. Having rights does not excuse any of them from bad behavior or their consequences, and nobody is saying it should.
mdraimund
I dunno, that ones pretty hard to agree with, some of them are in the IDF
Toqom
Oh so that's why Nazi barbie and her are feuding
LostInCircles
She's right though, women really are the ones putting down and voting against other women. When white women wanted rights, they really only wanted it for white women.
scrumbles666
No. Men are also doing all this. But it's an effect of misogyny that we find a greater fault in them for working against the best interests of women in general, than we do in men for holding more power and choosing to use it to oppress.
LostInCircles
Men and misogyny I thought was a given. That's the first and obvious shit
scrumbles666
It's not because misogyny primes everyone to be more critical of women than of men, regardless of context. A lot of people feel that right-wing women are worse than the men because... enter any number of justifications that boil down to an instinctual desire to judge women and find them lacking.
LostInCircles
It is because misogyny does prime everyone to be critical of women. I'm a dude, I know for a fact that women with rights and jobs means they won't be property at home. And women are still looked at as assets and property. Right wing women are the worst. They were raised like that and believe in it.
gamer2k4
It's incredible how many people here are trying to justify making exceptions when literally the whole point, and the verbatim quote, say that intersectional feminism is about supporting ALL women.
FelonyRaptor
Whatever. I'll never support nazis, fascists or billionaires etc., regardless of gender.
deathmagiks
You're missing the point, my dude.
bekkayya
in agreement with jmtn, but also no actually you still have to support the idea that harming fascists specifically for or by their minority status is still wrong. when you're sexist towards a fascist you arent just hurting the fascist with your sexism, you're normalizing using sexism as a weapon. same with other bigotries. we have better weapons anyways, you dont need to use that
jrntn
Nobody's asking you to holy shit. We're talking about women's R I G H T S which must be non-negotiable for all women. Having rights does not excuse you from bad behavior or their consequences you fucking idiot
Khanamana324
Zendaya the goat.
awkungen42
I really like her from the stuff that randomly comes across my feed. She seems like a genuinely good person.
randomhero13
finally someone who supports ghislaine maxwell, caitlyn jenner, pam bondi and kristi noem, good for her :/
CuddlyCynic
I'd be tempted to say ZENDAYA FOR PRESIDENT, but she's not old enough - the Constitution says you have to be 35 to be President.
However, she turns 30 in September, so ZENDAYA FOR U.S. SENATE 2028 is in play.
TheAmusedBouche
ALL women? Even Ghislaine Maxwell?
awholelotofnothin
If you squint at the concept of equality, it might look like either making men less capable of violent crime, or making women more capable of committing violent crime. Since it doesn't look like "less" is happening, then for true equality women must become as dastardly. In that point of view, The Monstrous Maxwell is feminist, except that the victims were not equal opportunity in that they were mostly undervalued female children sacrificed by thousands of complicit traffickers to rich men.
forelle
Yep. There is enough to attack her for that hasn't to do with her being a woman right? Feminism doesn't mean you can't hold women accountable. It just means you shouldn't do it on the basis that they happen to be women.
HiddenSanity
I mean, I support her right to a fair trail and equal rights as any man in her position, with equitable punishment. Supporting someones rights is not the same as supporting their actions, even Nazi's had the right to a trail, quite famously so.
TheAmusedBouche
True, tho it doesn't say anything here on the post about rights. It just says support all women.
HiddenSanity
Yeah, but it did talk about a well known rights movement, so there's that giant context clue.
thismyburnerbutyoucangetdigits
Some of them. A lot of ethnic Germans and Nazis were slaughtered too. Most famously in Czechoslovakia but pretty much all over. I guess you can excuse it bc look what they did but it was a black eye for the whole world.
glovelyday
Except Melania. No one is obliged to support her.
kraeftig
Supporting women also means supporting their right to choose to be evil. Then treat them like any other person who chooses evil.
notreallyaclevername
I support her having rights and bodily autonomy and everything. You can support someone without standing by their views and decisions
dirtmarker
That cunt can get wrekt
PineappleLoopsBroether
All republican women are anti-women’s rights. They all can go to the back of the line.
randomhero13
"you can't choose" did she stutter?
EmilyPseu
I don’t think she should be denied any opportunities because she is a woman. She should be denied opportunities because she’s propping up a dictator for personal gain.
deathmagiks
There's a difference between disagreeing/disliking someone because of what they do vs. disliking/disagreeing with what they do because of their plumbing; Melania's value, or lack of value, as a human being isn't because of her gender, it's because of her choices.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Supporting women means supporting women, generally.... there will always be evil women (Melania, JK Rowling, Ivanka Trump, Margaret Thatcher, Marine Le Pen, Cardi B).
forelle
Yeah I mean as long as you attack them for being evil and don't attack them for being woman...
datphone777365
Support them into a swift thumping upside their head.
thedtp
What’s the beef with Cardi B?
datphone777365
House pet.
RyvaTheRenamon
Isn't she a self admitted rapist or am i thinking of another trashy woman who's in the same industry.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Sorry, I meant Nicki Minaj, I am not a follower of the genre and was working from memory...
sinistralguy
Nicki is the MAGA one, Cardi is the one who has self-admitted to drugging and robbing men. Both can be pieces of shit for different reasons
bippityboppitybuttsex
Ok, I did not know that.
Wow, she defended her actions https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47718477
evilspock
You can support her as a woman without supporting her politics.
GigiDundas
I mean, she's definitely a cunt but you also gotta respect her for being one of history's most successful gold diggers.
glovelyday
"...but he did make the trains run on time." Sirry, mo.
scrumbles666
That's not hat that means you thick fuck. Melania does not deserve to be a victim of sexism and misogyny. She does not deserve to be considered of less value than a man because of her gender. That's what supporting women means in an intersectional context. Please go fucking learn about this shit instead of repeating stupid 'Lean In' trash feminism from the 90's like that shit is still relevant.
glovelyday
Wow, your powerful use of childish profanity really convinced of the strength of your "argument".
scrumbles666
My use of profanity is incidental to my argument. If you go through life ignoring actual reasoning because the tone hurt your feelings, then no wonder you're thick as fuck.
evilspock
Are you suggesting melania is the *origin* of the fascist movement and a mass murderer?
Nobody deserves hatred for things they are, things they are born with: gender, race, nationality.
They deserve scorn for *things they choose to be* - and honestly only to the extent it harms others.
glovelyday
"illogicalspock"
evilspock
Pracmatic and realistic.
If you can pick and choose which women you support as women - you aren't supporting women. It's easy to exclude other groups like trans or poor or pregnant or black women. Fuck that.
If Melania came to her senses and divorced Donny - I'd support that. No woman, no matter how much a soulless witch she might be, should be stuck in a marriage with that thing.
TinyOctopus
Lololol. Shots fired.
Grendels2dCousinOnceRemoved
I thought that was Margaret Thatcher, but remembered she's already dead. So who is that? Is that Kristi Noem? Pam Bondi? Marjorie Taylor Green? Lauren Boobert? That airhead press sec'y that makes excuses for Trump? Liz Truss? The boss of Oracle? Ghislaine Maxwell? The Premier of Alberta? Amy Coney Barrett?
DukeSliscus
Reminder: JKR has engaged in holocaust denial by claiming trans people weren't targeted by the Nazis
Omnimorph2112
You know how often you hear the term "beloved novelist" to describe authors of books that are popular with young people? Maybe JKR just really hated the beloved part.
Rijtjeshuis
Is it okay if I don't support the JK Rowling kind of women?
InitHello
You can acknowledge that she IS a woman while denying her attempted gatekeeping OF womanhood.
MelfsAcidArrow
Part of acknowledging people’s rights is the right for them to be pompous assholes. It is fascism that seeks to suppress thought. She’s free to think her thoughts, we are free to fight her influence by voting or boycotting
urusername2
I support her right to make a living. I don't like that she can't except all others.
gamer2k4
I guess it's your right, but you wouldn't be an "intersectional feminist."
shitheadtookmyname
You're wrong about what intersectionality is, but I suspect your don't care
gamer2k4
I'm just going by the definition in the post. Did you just skip that and come down to the comments, or what?
MelfsAcidArrow
You can support her as a woman but also dislike her as a person
KawaiiInari
This. You can support her rights and freedoms, but also wipe your feet with her books. Show up at the polls for her, not at the cash register for her.
figuringeights
Phew. She's slag and I hate her.
chefsoda
It’s fine not not support anyone for their words and actions, certainly Rowling included.
If you don’t support her because she’s a woman, or a certain kind of woman, that’s an issue.
Itry2dostuff
I think you have to support or acknowledge at minimum, the fact she identifies as one and should be treated as such, but you do not have to respect or like the douche canoe.
MikeRInternetTraveler
Worth noting that she wrote under “JK Rowling” because she thought that having a woman’s name, Joanne, on the front of the book would hurt sales. She’s cool with gender fluidity when it benefits her.
gamer2k4
So gender fluid people are just pretending to be a different gender because it benefits them? Is that what you're saying? Because this doesn't sound like "gender fluidity" at all, and it cheapens the LGBT movement that you'd even make the comparison.
MikeRInternetTraveler
You are colossally missing the point. I was saying that SHE was fine to mask her gender when it would financially benefit her. I am not remotely saying that LGBTQ people are all doing that. Only someone rage-baiting or virtue-signaling would reach your conclusion from my comment.
Pikkupanda
Uhhhhhh no she didn’t
Authors in the UK usually publish with initials and a surname. It’s pro forma there.
That said, she can kick rocks.
MikeRInternetTraveler
Oh. I leaned something today. Thanks.
She’s still a cunt, though.
TKpotato
She did publish some books under the name Robert Galbraith though.
ExTechOp
Surely it is a coincidence that Robert Galbraith Heath was a psychiatrist who worked on gay conversion therapy by means of brain-implanted electrodes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath
TKpotato
Yeah, I’m aware, was gonna post that too but it was 1am and was struggling to google. Thank you for providing more info!
Pikkupanda
She did. That’s true.
Maybe because she had pull. I wondered if it’s because they’re published in the US but nope, her publisher is British.
Curious. But the JK thing wasn’t purposeful. It was just the standard.
Douglas Adams didn’t do it either. And yet for some horror reason we have her and lost him.
Pikkupanda
Horrible. Though in her case horror fits.
RIxspacexCK
you must yield to the person on the right, at a four-way intersection.
QuartzPoker
In the UK I think they yield to the traffic already in the roundabout
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Musicosity
Re-read it, genius.
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
...the joke is interpreting "intersectional" as "regarding or related to a roadway intersection".