exactly. I'm a great cook that is by and large self taught. you can learn a lot with creativity, curiosity, and willingness to throw 5,000 or so hours at a hobby.
As someone with disabilities, one that I fear is progressively taking my sight, I will never stop writing. Sure it takes me longer to write a book than a lot of people but I'm still doing it. AI can go suck a sewage pipe.
Yes, but have you considered, that the tech bro's don't make good art the first time that they try, and therefore its not worth it to keep trying and practicing?
its like they teach you in kindergarten "If at first you don't succeed, give up and have a computer do it for you."
Yep. The problem arises when people want to, and think they should be able to, create a masterpiece the first time they try. completely disregarding the fact the it takes sometimes years of failure to make something great.
There's a blind guy in my town who owns a bar, he's always up at the front painting and hanging out with his dog. He makes really wonderful, technically sound paintings, you would never guess a blind person could do that by hand only. So cool.
the biggest problem with AI art is that capitalists have convinced us that if we don't sell our skills to make rich people richer we don't deserve to eat
AI is a fascist technology. Having said that, it is so fucking clear that the vast majority of you people don't understand the first fucking thing about severe executive function and how it can make it where you can't do ANYTHING, NOT EVEN THINGS YOU LIKE, OR THAT YOU WANT TO DO. I have been SO TEMPTED to use AI because maybe I could finally have a fucking creative outlet, and to see this ableist bullshit disgusts me. Where is your god forsaken understanding for other people? 1/2
To be clear! I do NOT use AI to make "art" because it's shit at doing what the prompter wants and it's unethical as fuck, but I HATE how people are willing to just blanket brush aside the struggles and REAL LIMITATIONS of disabled people. Please for the love of all that is good, please listen to us more instead of trying to tell us what is real about our own fucking experiences.
I have no artistic talent and followed along with one of his videos and made something pretty decent! You don’t need a computer to make art. Just someone teaching you how to do it
AI is the antithesis of art, it is a tool of fascism. It isn't just stealing and replacing artists. It is a tool to dehumanize art and remove emotion and critical thinking. I saw a bunch of fascism experts talking about how they can't get away with burning art and killing artists like the last time so they want to drown them out and starve them. These tech bros are all acolytes of curtis yarvin who wants to take elon's grandfather's idea of technofuedalism and make it into technofascism.
Italian Facism were involvement within the Dada movement and much of mussolini his HQ was pretty Avant Garde like the "spinning mussolini head" not too mention "superfacist" Julius Evola made quite some Dada art and Salvador Dali supported Franco. The Croatian Ustasha used poetry as self expresion. Just a few examples, Nazism was indeed anti (certain) art. I do fully agree that AI is indeed the antithesis of art, it is simply lazyness and I would assosiate it with neolib capitalism
I’ll say it every time. I’m positive there are people, for whom their own disability is a mountain in the way of making art they won’t ever overcome, perhaps because they have to many and too severe handicaps, or perhaps because their life and environment makes them unable to pursue the art forms they want. However, AI doesn’t change that. If you couldn’t make art before, you still can’t make art with AI. You’re just commissioning it from a data centre. Your situation is unchanged.
I’m disabled and use it to help me edit my writing because I’m disabled and can’t afford to pay an editor to check my work for me. It’s like $50 an hour or 5¢ a word average and uhh I write a lot. It doesn’t rewrite my writing just checks for comma splices and hillbilly grammar and such.
AI is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. I've seen good usecases and bad usecases. Tiny niche fandoms of a game that came out 30 years ago and now there are people who made small short movies with the characters.
LLMs are just no. they are the biggest waste of resources and provide nothing. GenAI while disliked can be ran on your PC and has Use cases. People can hate Gen AI all they want but it will never go away. people just need to get used to it and set better boundaries for it. LLMs can burn in a fire. SLMs are much better and more important AI use.
I know people have different difficulties toward learning skills, but what the general mass of people describe as “talent” is worthless without the work needed to activate the sleeper agent. talent is actually joy in a subject, a proclivity in things that may or may not help, like motor skills or 3dthinking
I wouldn't say *all* excuses are pathetic - It's a tool like any other. But 99.9999999999999999% of people who use it - if not *more* - Do not use it like a tool, they use it like a replacement. I can only think of one person who doesn't - Before AI came out they drew pictures, now they can make a good looking >20 minute video. And they've shown their process, which shows there's still a lot of individual talent and work put in.
I was talking to a co-worker about my TTRPG hobby, and they said they could never do it because they're terrible at stuff like that. I told them I was terrible too at first. Nobody is born good at things. You have to do it to be better, and you have to come to terms with the fact that at first, you're going to suck. Like, REALLY suck. But you'll get better if you keep trying.
Great comment, upvoted, but I disagree with you that people aren't born good at things. This could be semantical, but I interpret being good at things not as being able to physically do the thing, but your brain understanding all the nuances, and complexities of doing the thing. And I think that a person can be gifted with genes that defy logic but intuitively correlate, even if you don't know who were your parents. This goes far beyond talent, and the only evidence I have are prodigy's.
btw I love TTRPG's, I started with pathfinder 1e but when I realized the games I had been playing growing up (Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale 2) were using a very similar system, I realized how much trying it would mean to me. Bob is far more eloquent than I, the yearning to experience and experiment drives the talent necessary to excel. That's just blah blah though, it's all about sharing the experience for me.
I'm currently running a Daggerheart campaign, and my players and I are really loving it so far. I had to make some minor adjustments to suit our group a little better, but that's pretty normal.
I think that's a massive oversimplification. It is much more accurate to say that talent is the rate at which effort is converted to skill. If you lack talent, it will take you much more effort to acquire the same level of skill as someone who has a lot of talent.
I mean some people are infact innately skilled or talented in certain things, but they didn't get to where they are without a /lot/ of practice on top of that.
I mean... it can be? I never cared for math growing up, I never put any effort into learning it during my time at school, but I had a head for it all the same and that 'innate buff' let me breeze through those classes with no effort while other people struggled.
Yeah, stuff like that is probably where that notion comes from, but I still like to think of this more as a question of attitude and perspective. Math is a good example for this, the way it's taught it's like a coinflip if you learn to be comfortable with operations as convenient tools. And it makes a huge difference whether you like what you are doing, whether it gives you a sense of capability etc. On the flipside its hard to learn anything when it causes a fight or flight response.
I mean, I understand the appearance of this. This girl looks SO uncomfortable. But was she literally kidnapped or pushed into it or something for sure? Or are people just being funny?
It’s a funny joke where there were edits that expanded the area of the video and had the original overlaying one that made it look like a hostage situation
Art is not made of talent, perfection, and straight lines. True art is full of imperfections, flaws, mismatches, mistakes, errors, and screwups. And even then, as Bob Ross once said: There are no mistakes, there are only happy accidents. Is that picture not coming out how you want? Well SO WHAT!? don't throw it away, roll with it, make it your own. that imperfection can be your true talent shining through, and you just don't know it yet.
Drawing is hard, especially if you're going for realism or sophisticated perspectives. If you enjoyed drawing do it and don't fret whether it is good or not. Your own assessment is going to be more harsh since your expectations are probably high
I just wanted to draw decent fanart of my favorite characters, it's just awful when the image I put on the art doesn't match the image I had in my head whatsoever, simply because I don't have the skill
I do get that :-) I draw nearly every day I still struggle when I'm trying to take on something new. My advice is allow yourself to be imperfect, analyze where you went off attack and try again. Best of luck
Sad you're getting downvotes for this. I also tried learning in middle and high school. Years of practice and I still didn't improve much. Proportions wrong, shading wrong. Never even tried to move onto colors because I have terrible color sense.
It's almost insulting how badly everyone wants to believe that everyone has artistic ability and if you don't it's just because you didn't try hard enough. Seems like a very specific form of ableism.
To be fair I think everyone DOES have the capacity to learn, but it's a matter of time. And If it's going to take me 8 years for example to be "decent" do I want to be an almost 40 year old at that point, drawing what I learned to draw? Meanwhile some people learned to draw in just a couple years or even had a strong start with an inherent knack for it.
therein lies my deepest fear regarding AI. it CAN be used for greater things. but it's being used for other, more petty applications. more often than not, anyway.
My friend made stickers that say AI is not art and has put them up all around town. His art is mostly just for him he's proud of it but he knows it's not going in a museum. It's just art, just him creating and expressing what's in his head. Art is created, expressed, for lots of different purposes. AI is just a product.
Because art requires a mind with internality and intention to create it, and what AI creates is just a statistical approximation of a requested image. Nothing about it is intentional or expressive of anything deeper than a training dataset.
This suggests that art cannot be made by accident. I can imagine a scenario where art is created without intention behind it, so I don't think that requirement works.
Something created by accident would still have to be intentionally recontextualized for anyone to consider it art. A trashed bike is just garbage, unless it is found and placed in a context that lets people appreciate it as art (found art in this case).
I can imagine a situation where an AI output is manipulated by a person to make art, but in order for that to work a person would need to manipulate it. Just taking the output and presenting it as art misses the point.
Why does it need to be recontextualized? The photo taken by accident doesn't need to be recontextualized. Someone can just discover the photo and decide they like it. Is it not art at that point?
The void called. It said to exhume Marcel Duchamp’s hand so that I can use it to slap everyone who comes up with a convenient definition of art that makes whatever point they like while implicitly excluding reams of real, human art, e.g. a urinal turned on its side.
(In case it’s not clear: I’m not talking about AI *at all* here.)
I didn't "come up" with the definition of art. The simple dictionary definition of art precludes the result of non-humans, but certainly does not exclude Duchamp's work. So, other than that, not really sure what your point is.
SarcasticComment
exactly. I'm a great cook that is by and large self taught. you can learn a lot with creativity, curiosity, and willingness to throw 5,000 or so hours at a hobby.
Jace99
All AI art is plagiarism.
Lylani
As someone with disabilities, one that I fear is progressively taking my sight, I will never stop writing. Sure it takes me longer to write a book than a lot of people but I'm still doing it. AI can go suck a sewage pipe.
AShartInTheWind
Besides. If you really can't draw or paint and don't want to put in the effort to practice, buy a camera and take up photography.
Bigemedic
People shouldn't make art that's "good". Art doesn't have to be "good". It just has to make you feel something. Even if it's only you.
LordHosk
Yes, but have you considered, that the tech bro's don't make good art the first time that they try, and therefore its not worth it to keep trying and practicing?
its like they teach you in kindergarten "If at first you don't succeed, give up and have a computer do it for you."
D1970
Yep. The problem arises when people want to, and think they should be able to, create a masterpiece the first time they try. completely disregarding the fact the it takes sometimes years of failure to make something great.
SavageDrums
Did that dude equate people with disabilities with people too lazy to learn a skill?
GrandmaSlappy
There's a blind guy in my town who owns a bar, he's always up at the front painting and hanging out with his dog. He makes really wonderful, technically sound paintings, you would never guess a blind person could do that by hand only. So cool.
tsonquin
the biggest problem with AI art is that capitalists have convinced us that if we don't sell our skills to make rich people richer we don't deserve to eat
PikpikCeleriac
AI is a fascist technology. Having said that, it is so fucking clear that the vast majority of you people don't understand the first fucking thing about severe executive function and how it can make it where you can't do ANYTHING, NOT EVEN THINGS YOU LIKE, OR THAT YOU WANT TO DO. I have been SO TEMPTED to use AI because maybe I could finally have a fucking creative outlet, and to see this ableist bullshit disgusts me. Where is your god forsaken understanding for other people? 1/2
PikpikCeleriac
To be clear! I do NOT use AI to make "art" because it's shit at doing what the prompter wants and it's unethical as fuck, but I HATE how people are willing to just blanket brush aside the struggles and REAL LIMITATIONS of disabled people. Please for the love of all that is good, please listen to us more instead of trying to tell us what is real about our own fucking experiences.
naemus1
I have no artistic talent and followed along with one of his videos and made something pretty decent! You don’t need a computer to make art. Just someone teaching you how to do it
goflyblind
foxpotate
AI is the antithesis of art, it is a tool of fascism. It isn't just stealing and replacing artists. It is a tool to dehumanize art and remove emotion and critical thinking. I saw a bunch of fascism experts talking about how they can't get away with burning art and killing artists like the last time so they want to drown them out and starve them. These tech bros are all acolytes of curtis yarvin who wants to take elon's grandfather's idea of technofuedalism and make it into technofascism.
WRMHistoricalColorization
Italian Facism were involvement within the Dada movement and much of mussolini his HQ was pretty Avant Garde like the "spinning mussolini head" not too mention "superfacist" Julius Evola made quite some Dada art and Salvador Dali supported Franco. The Croatian Ustasha used poetry as self expresion. Just a few examples, Nazism was indeed anti (certain) art. I do fully agree that AI is indeed the antithesis of art, it is simply lazyness and I would assosiate it with neolib capitalism
KiwiGameDev
I’ll say it every time. I’m positive there are people, for whom their own disability is a mountain in the way of making art they won’t ever overcome, perhaps because they have to many and too severe handicaps, or perhaps because their life and environment makes them unable to pursue the art forms they want. However, AI doesn’t change that. If you couldn’t make art before, you still can’t make art with AI. You’re just commissioning it from a data centre. Your situation is unchanged.
tidepool
I’m disabled and use it to help me edit my writing because I’m disabled and can’t afford to pay an editor to check my work for me. It’s like $50 an hour or 5¢ a word average and uhh I write a lot. It doesn’t rewrite my writing just checks for comma splices and hillbilly grammar and such.
nihiltres
You’re using it as a tool to help support your own creativity. You’re doing fine.
JeanieGoldWeddingPlanner
I'm in the same boat. If used as a tool I think it's ok.
Novemberlied
desa79
AI is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. I've seen good usecases and bad usecases. Tiny niche fandoms of a game that came out 30 years ago and now there are people who made small short movies with the characters.
MoopsyLD
LLMs are just no. they are the biggest waste of resources and provide nothing. GenAI while disliked can be ran on your PC and has Use cases. People can hate Gen AI all they want but it will never go away. people just need to get used to it and set better boundaries for it. LLMs can burn in a fire. SLMs are much better and more important AI use.
Doonesman
What? Nuance? On MY Imgur? Burn the witch!
Drylegs
Talent is a myth, you have a unique brain that only you can learn how to use
Dracology
Talent is definitely a thing XD
Drylegs
I know people have different difficulties toward learning skills, but what the general mass of people describe as “talent” is worthless without the work needed to activate the sleeper agent. talent is actually joy in a subject, a proclivity in things that may or may not help, like motor skills or 3dthinking
JakeWren
I wouldn't say *all* excuses are pathetic - It's a tool like any other. But 99.9999999999999999% of people who use it - if not *more* - Do not use it like a tool, they use it like a replacement. I can only think of one person who doesn't - Before AI came out they drew pictures, now they can make a good looking >20 minute video. And they've shown their process, which shows there's still a lot of individual talent and work put in.
hyperchondriac
Significant figures... you only need 8 digits to the right of the decimal to represent a number larger than the population of the Earth.
JakeWren
TIL.
idiotsonfire
People without talent are the people who are completely unwilling to practice or push themselves.
idiotsonfire
Using disabled people to be a prop for pushing Gen AI is fucking evil.
CycloneSP
man! that music goes so well with this clip! yeah yeah, ya'll probably know it's from undertale, but did you know
CycloneSP
that the name of that specific song is "Hopes and Dreams"? very apropos if you ask me :D
unluckyandbored
I was talking to a co-worker about my TTRPG hobby, and they said they could never do it because they're terrible at stuff like that. I told them I was terrible too at first. Nobody is born good at things. You have to do it to be better, and you have to come to terms with the fact that at first, you're going to suck. Like, REALLY suck. But you'll get better if you keep trying.
LocalUnassumingGuy
Great comment, upvoted, but I disagree with you that people aren't born good at things. This could be semantical, but I interpret being good at things not as being able to physically do the thing, but your brain understanding all the nuances, and complexities of doing the thing. And I think that a person can be gifted with genes that defy logic but intuitively correlate, even if you don't know who were your parents. This goes far beyond talent, and the only evidence I have are prodigy's.
ProbablyOnlyOnce
As Arin Hanson put it, "You think I came out the pussy drawing fuck'n Mozart?"
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
As my cello teacher wisely used to say: only things you're born knowing is how to shit and how to complain. The rest you learn.
LocalUnassumingGuy
btw I love TTRPG's, I started with pathfinder 1e but when I realized the games I had been playing growing up (Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale 2) were using a very similar system, I realized how much trying it would mean to me. Bob is far more eloquent than I, the yearning to experience and experiment drives the talent necessary to excel. That's just blah blah though, it's all about sharing the experience for me.
unluckyandbored
I'm currently running a Daggerheart campaign, and my players and I are really loving it so far. I had to make some minor adjustments to suit our group a little better, but that's pretty normal.
FlyingTigerRose
Who is that 1st guy? Are those falsehoods his or is he quoting some other dimwit who knows nothing at all about art?
resworn
You👏 aren't👏 entitled👏 to👏 someone's👏 creativity 👏
SomeGeek75ygh
Someone else's, to be precise. You're entitled to your own, and you're still someone.
resworn
You're definitely better at phrasing it, thank you! 😊
MuffinProof
This is the first thing I made when I bought a pen tablet.
MarkedAsNature
could be a horror game monster
tzahtman
I was scrolling by to quickly and thought it said "porn tablet"
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
well no one said it wasn't *also* that
NickRivieraMD
What's the last thing?
MuffinProof
NickRivieraMD
Noice
Croaked
Honestly, that’s fucking dandy. Good job.
Gryah
"Talent is a pursued interest", so simple.
I always disliked how the term is used in general, like it's some magical innate buff
hyperchondriac
I think that's a massive oversimplification. It is much more accurate to say that talent is the rate at which effort is converted to skill. If you lack talent, it will take you much more effort to acquire the same level of skill as someone who has a lot of talent.
RyvaTheRenamon
I mean some people are infact innately skilled or talented in certain things, but they didn't get to where they are without a /lot/ of practice on top of that.
Efreeti
I've come to dislike it as well, I try to actively replace it with the word "skill" whenever I feel like using it
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
Preach! "Oh you were born to do this" no bitch I worked my ass off.
Dracology
I mean... it can be? I never cared for math growing up, I never put any effort into learning it during my time at school, but I had a head for it all the same and that 'innate buff' let me breeze through those classes with no effort while other people struggled.
Tengenstein
Cool, do a fourier transformation in your head.
Bet it becomes easier after doing it more.
Gryah
Yeah, stuff like that is probably where that notion comes from, but I still like to think of this more as a question of attitude and perspective.
Math is a good example for this, the way it's taught it's like a coinflip if you learn to be comfortable with operations as convenient tools. And it makes a huge difference whether you like what you are doing, whether it gives you a sense of capability etc. On the flipside its hard to learn anything when it causes a fight or flight response.
TexMexHex
Is this thebsame guy who held a girl hostage to pretend to be his girlfriend for an internet video?
Clayman8
A classic tale, yes
EnvelopeOfDoom9000
W— what?
TheMoonBnuuy
"Kidnapping is sometimes the only way people who are unlikable or born with no jaw line can have a girlfriend. I have no personality and no jawline."
IIikethecutofyourjib
I mean, I understand the appearance of this. This girl looks SO uncomfortable. But was she literally kidnapped or pushed into it or something for sure? Or are people just being funny?
BenYourFriend
It’s a funny joke where there were edits that expanded the area of the video and had the original overlaying one that made it look like a hostage situation
IIikethecutofyourjib
Oh yeah I saw that, I just wasn't sure if it was JUST a joke on how she looked, or if in reality she was "being held against her will"
TheDisembodiedFloatingHeadOfEdwardGRobinson
Indeed it is Marcus DiPaola:
MechaNinja
Oh god that was amazing. Thank you. Can't believe I missed that entire thing.
SedatedSl0th
69th upvote reporting for dooty.
wherewehavebeen
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YTUyY2M3dzhmaHNiamN5ZXV2aXNrcGVvM2tmMmtyaGV2bnFodTk4cyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ukGm72ZLZvYfS/200w.webp
MuffinProof
Granny rushing in was the best!
kingersgambit
That video is some top tier TikTok
tzahtman
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
that went waaaaaay further than I could have expected
Clayman8
Holy shit its evolved since last time i saw it
Efreeti
Suddenly I feel like shawarma
mksu
I can't believe Bob Ross would do that.
TheOneYouWereWarnedAbout
MuffinProof
TheOneYouWereWarnedAbout
resworn
Holy shit, down a rabbit hole I go
Atomic2
I googled his name but didn't find it in the first couple links and I gotta go. If you find the source of the comment, can you share?
Rhadjaz
/gallery/b4mDK0W/comment/2496440675
Atomic2
Ah okay I thought there was more to it.
darkoblivion987
Art is not made of talent, perfection, and straight lines. True art is full of imperfections, flaws, mismatches, mistakes, errors, and screwups. And even then, as Bob Ross once said: There are no mistakes, there are only happy accidents.
Is that picture not coming out how you want? Well SO WHAT!? don't throw it away, roll with it, make it your own. that imperfection can be your true talent shining through, and you just don't know it yet.
Gamer4125
Nah, I tried to learn to draw. Wanted to brain myself I was so bad after two years. Still wouldn't use AI tho
spinbutton3
Drawing is hard, especially if you're going for realism or sophisticated perspectives. If you enjoyed drawing do it and don't fret whether it is good or not. Your own assessment is going to be more harsh since your expectations are probably high
Gamer4125
I just wanted to draw decent fanart of my favorite characters, it's just awful when the image I put on the art doesn't match the image I had in my head whatsoever, simply because I don't have the skill
spinbutton3
I do get that :-) I draw nearly every day I still struggle when I'm trying to take on something new. My advice is allow yourself to be imperfect, analyze where you went off attack and try again. Best of luck
hyperchondriac
Sad you're getting downvotes for this. I also tried learning in middle and high school. Years of practice and I still didn't improve much. Proportions wrong, shading wrong. Never even tried to move onto colors because I have terrible color sense.
It's almost insulting how badly everyone wants to believe that everyone has artistic ability and if you don't it's just because you didn't try hard enough. Seems like a very specific form of ableism.
Gamer4125
To be fair I think everyone DOES have the capacity to learn, but it's a matter of time. And If it's going to take me 8 years for example to be "decent" do I want to be an almost 40 year old at that point, drawing what I learned to draw? Meanwhile some people learned to draw in just a couple years or even had a strong start with an inherent knack for it.
darkoblivion987
And, at risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. Yes, AI has it's use, but NEVER as a replacement for true tallent.
CycloneSP
AI is a tool, just like any other tool, it can be used for both ill and good. the problem is most ppl do not understand the tool, and
CycloneSP
this tool is being marketed as more than it really is to get ppl to invest into it. there is a lot wrong with AI, and as things stand, it is
CycloneSP
currently very dangerous. but that doesn't mean it is evil in and of itself. (that said, I do fear for our future with how it's being used)
darkoblivion987
therein lies my deepest fear regarding AI. it CAN be used for greater things. but it's being used for other, more petty applications. more often than not, anyway.
StevenAlleyn
AI art isn’t
applesforjuice
My friend made stickers that say AI is not art and has put them up all around town. His art is mostly just for him he's proud of it but he knows it's not going in a museum. It's just art, just him creating and expressing what's in his head. Art is created, expressed, for lots of different purposes. AI is just a product.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
AI isn't
oblimo
Thaaat's a keeper.
coughingintensifies
AIn’t
mikeatike
Oh nice optimization
MoePester
Why not?
StevenAlleyn
Because art requires a mind with internality and intention to create it, and what AI creates is just a statistical approximation of a requested image. Nothing about it is intentional or expressive of anything deeper than a training dataset.
MoePester
This suggests that art cannot be made by accident. I can imagine a scenario where art is created without intention behind it, so I don't think that requirement works.
StevenAlleyn
Something created by accident would still have to be intentionally recontextualized for anyone to consider it art. A trashed bike is just garbage, unless it is found and placed in a context that lets people appreciate it as art (found art in this case).
I can imagine a situation where an AI output is manipulated by a person to make art, but in order for that to work a person would need to manipulate it. Just taking the output and presenting it as art misses the point.
MoePester
Why does it need to be recontextualized? The photo taken by accident doesn't need to be recontextualized. Someone can just discover the photo and decide they like it. Is it not art at that point?
Grumptious
Because, by definition, art is the expression of human talent. If it's artificial, it's not art.
MoePester
So animals can't make art?
Grumptious
No.
MoePester
Weird. Researchers would disagree.
nihiltres
The void called. It said to exhume Marcel Duchamp’s hand so that I can use it to slap everyone who comes up with a convenient definition of art that makes whatever point they like while implicitly excluding reams of real, human art, e.g. a urinal turned on its side.
(In case it’s not clear: I’m not talking about AI *at all* here.)
Grumptious
I didn't "come up" with the definition of art. The simple dictionary definition of art precludes the result of non-humans, but certainly does not exclude Duchamp's work. So, other than that, not really sure what your point is.
nihiltres
[citation needed]