It's at a point where it's quite literally too easy to find glaring contradictions and unforgivable crimes and horrific attitudes and unspeakable actions etc in America. It's seemingly always been a heap of hate covered in the polished-for-radio-TV-online makeup we call capitalism. Fuck me.
Exactly. US needs term limits. We don’t let grandma drive anymore because she just doesn’t have the mental capacity. She agreed and stopped driving. why are these people in charge.
We need to reform the lobbying system before we even think of term limits, without the former, term limits put even more power in the hands of lobbyists.
1 term for the house (and massively expand it; make it a real representation of the people not a place for parties to draw safe seats to keep their awful politicians in power), 3 for the senate (should be the "elder law writing machine" but not unlimited), and make a 20 year 1 term limit for scotus.
I'm not saying that Grassley or Graham are decent Senators (or people), and Trump should definitely be impeached and removed from office for any of his many crimes, but let's stop oversimplifying Clinton's impeachment. He was impeached for lying *under oath* to Congress about his affair, and for obstruction of justice in covering up that lie. And that doesn't get into exactly how consensual an affair between the President and an unpaid intern half his age can be...
Yeah, I don't know how we've got to the point where we treat the Clinton thing like it was a basic hookup. I'm glad Monica is a well-adjusted person who seems happy with her choices, but Clinton dodged a bullet on that one. Given the *implication* of turning down the most powerful man in the world, I'm not sure Clinton could have ever truly known if Lewinsky consented and even if he did, an affair he obviously wouldn't want anyone to know about is pretty compromising.
Wrong. He gave technically correct, but misleading answers in a civil deposition because Ann Coulter was too incompetent to legally define a blowjob. Even if you could stretch reality to say he lied, it still wasn't material to the case and therefore was NOT perjury and not illegal. It was always about the blowjob.
It was never about the blowjob. It was about being able to attack their "enemies" and be self-righteous about it. Pearl-clutching is a central pillar of the right.
Okay... but hear me out. The ONLY reason Trump has not lied under oath to Congress or any court is because his lawyers won't let him near a witness stand or anything requiring BEING under oath. And as far as obstruction of Justice, calling cabinet members and others into a private meeting to work out how to prevent the release of the Epstein files and/or the scrubbing of those files DEFINITELY qualifies as obstruction, and THAT meeting occurred and was reported on. And speaking of lying 1/
under oath, I think it's fair to say that taking the oath of office itself, under the circumstances of being under Putin's thumb and NOT intending to actually uphold the Constitution, nor even doing so unintentionally also DEFINITELY qualifies as lying under oath to Congress and to the American people. He could, and should be impeached on quite a few charges, but the Senate will never convict. We can take the House, but until we take both houses, we're still completely screwed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Clinton's impeachment was about obstruction of justice in regards to blocking the investigation into the abuse of power rather than the abuse of power itself which was ultimately found to not be criminal. The democrats proceeded to set such a high bar of evidence needed that its was impossible to meet, something the republicans didn't forget and leveraged during Trump's impeachments.
It was a witchunt on the Clintons. The Rs got a special investigator regarding 100k for a land deal, who found nothing. So they got another... who found nothing. So they got Starr, gave him limitless scope, limitless funds, and told him to dig until he found SOMETHING. He found the bj. They made a HUGE media stink over the bj. They went on and on about the "institution of marriage" and "the integrity of the office". And now they don't care about a lying unconstitutional pedo stealing billions.
You are not wrong in that they claimed as much. The problem was it was never criminal and they knew it yet they still gave Starr $100M clams to NOT so much as indict either Clinton with so much as a parking ticket. It was always about the blowjob.
Which is funny when you consider how much money they were getting from the Chinese for his re-election campaign. But if they had prosecuted him on "Dark Money" it would have exposed the NRA Bribery (and more than likely the AIPAC bribery) going on as well.
Trump has lowered the bar so far (what with all the porn star raw-dogging and child raping) but there was a time when sex scandals actually mattered to voters. It was always the blowjob.
For real. The last election showed that 77 million Americans are ok with a convicted felon, convicted rapist and obvious child rapist being in charge. 75 million voted for Harris.
245 million were eligible to vote. ~63 million did not vote.
Election Day should be a national holiday. Polling locations should never be in a church. Rock the vote in November.
Because Gen X didn't do shit after 9/11. A few tried (thank you Snowden), but the boomer grip only tightened. Millennials and younger never had a chance. Soon, everything will change, one funeral at a time.
Chuck Grassley was born before the Dust Bowl, Social Security, FDR’s New Deal, and the Hindenburg. He was born during Prohibition. He’s old enough to remember Pearl Harbor. He was middle aged during the Civil Rights Act. He’s older than Alcoholics Anonymous and the Soviet Union.
Go read the book, digest what is there and realize that there is no sudden shift in function in the type of person that would run under the repub banner.
How is this a hard thing to do or get? Is this willfull ignoranct obstinacy?
They stated "has" im stating there is no shift in state.
there should be mandatory "genital" inspection of all Republican Politicians. (Dems don't vote for Hate Legislation on LGBTQ so Dems re exempt). GOP that do vote for LGBTQ Hate Legislation must submit to genital inspections and must declare their sexual orientation. it's also voter fraud not announcing to citizens this who need this info to properly vote. The sad, closeted hypocrisy of Lindsey Graham https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/10/16/the-sad-closeted-hypocrisy-of-lindsey-graham/
Everyone already knows that. He must have a secret much worse for his base for him to kiss T's a$$ so much. Gotta be little boys or snuff or something like that.
VoidScreamer
They are/were raping right alongside him.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Lindsey is a fucking pedophile too. Theyre probably in the files as well.
youreathing
With their heads up his ass, that's where.
riddmkidd
in the orange toddler's pocket. of course.
IamnotSpartacuseither
.... likely also in the files...
lightfoot2
It's their rapist so it's ok.
duktayp
More $$$ was spent investigating the Clintons, then was spent investigating the 9/11 attacks
StNickCage
It's at a point where it's quite literally too easy to find glaring contradictions and unforgivable crimes and horrific attitudes and unspeakable actions etc in America. It's seemingly always been a heap of hate covered in the polished-for-radio-TV-online makeup we call capitalism. Fuck me.
Navrodel
...why are they even still there to make those decisions 30 years later?
CatSparkleBreaker
he's THEIR rapist
Toqom
Blackmailed by Israel is the answer
urusername2
But, he's a Repuglican! It doesn't matter how guilty he is! Laws for thee, not for Him. They don't even balk at proof that he sold Top Secrets.
SavageDrums
Grasley is drooling into his morning mush, and Graham is in a men's room stall vigorously tapping his foot.
bolinotoyou
Chuck Grassley tried to arrange the murder of Mike Pence
saloonmen
I feel bad for those not offered basic education.
Relictivity
Also.... Newt Gingrich was fucking his mistress while his wife was dying of cancer.
NepLeet
Hypocrites. Always have been.
BrickaBrackaFireCracker
They only care about party loyalty.
Jagshusband
Because Clinton had sex with a grown woman.
MoonPieTown
A 22 year-old unpaid intern getting sexual advances from the most powerful person in the world....but sure I guess that's technically correct
schnikelfritz
Doesn’t Lindsey Graham remind you of the sloth at the dmv in Zootopia? Although the sloth was cute, Lindsey is not and is probably slower.
WildMalevolence
It is never about the act, it is purely the about opportunity.
Kc0125
Scooby doo was right all along, it's always the creepy old white guy with a "mask".
immabearrawr
That was like.. late 90's? Why the fuck are they both still around?
SteveD31415
Because otherwise they'd have to go out and find real jobs.
HumanFromPlanetEarth
Because they still make money for the right people
Dannoboyo
Obviously people are still voting for them while other people are bitching on the internet and staying home.
lurkyloos
Exactly. US needs term limits. We don’t let grandma drive anymore because she just doesn’t have the mental capacity. She agreed and stopped driving. why are these people in charge.
rshini
We need to reform the lobbying system before we even think of term limits, without the former, term limits put even more power in the hands of lobbyists.
EvelynNyte
1 term for the house (and massively expand it; make it a real representation of the people not a place for parties to draw safe seats to keep their awful politicians in power), 3 for the senate (should be the "elder law writing machine" but not unlimited), and make a 20 year 1 term limit for scotus.
PapaJoeNH
It's called hypocrisy and they revel in it
lurkyloos
Cognitive dissonance is a key feature of Christofascism
kjbopp
Hypocrisy is to Republicans as Republicans are to Hypocrisy. : o(
PhloydPhan
I'm not saying that Grassley or Graham are decent Senators (or people), and Trump should definitely be impeached and removed from office for any of his many crimes, but let's stop oversimplifying Clinton's impeachment. He was impeached for lying *under oath* to Congress about his affair, and for obstruction of justice in covering up that lie. And that doesn't get into exactly how consensual an affair between the President and an unpaid intern half his age can be...
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Yeah, I don't know how we've got to the point where we treat the Clinton thing like it was a basic hookup. I'm glad Monica is a well-adjusted person who seems happy with her choices, but Clinton dodged a bullet on that one. Given the *implication* of turning down the most powerful man in the world, I'm not sure Clinton could have ever truly known if Lewinsky consented and even if he did, an affair he obviously wouldn't want anyone to know about is pretty compromising.
MajorNikon
Wrong. He gave technically correct, but misleading answers in a civil deposition because Ann Coulter was too incompetent to legally define a blowjob. Even if you could stretch reality to say he lied, it still wasn't material to the case and therefore was NOT perjury and not illegal. It was always about the blowjob.
baecaughtmewhackin
It was never about the blowjob. It was about being able to attack their "enemies" and be self-righteous about it. Pearl-clutching is a central pillar of the right.
MajorNikon
…over a blowjob. It was always about the blowjob.
oldguyexlurker
Okay... but hear me out. The ONLY reason Trump has not lied under oath to Congress or any court is because his lawyers won't let him near a witness stand or anything requiring BEING under oath. And as far as obstruction of Justice, calling cabinet members and others into a private meeting to work out how to prevent the release of the Epstein files and/or the scrubbing of those files DEFINITELY qualifies as obstruction, and THAT meeting occurred and was reported on. And speaking of lying 1/
oldguyexlurker
under oath, I think it's fair to say that taking the oath of office itself, under the circumstances of being under Putin's thumb and NOT intending to actually uphold the Constitution, nor even doing so unintentionally also DEFINITELY qualifies as lying under oath to Congress and to the American people. He could, and should be impeached on quite a few charges, but the Senate will never convict. We can take the House, but until we take both houses, we're still completely screwed.
Vebrandsson
Correct me if I'm wrong but Clinton's impeachment was about obstruction of justice in regards to blocking the investigation into the abuse of power rather than the abuse of power itself which was ultimately found to not be criminal. The democrats proceeded to set such a high bar of evidence needed that its was impossible to meet, something the republicans didn't forget and leveraged during Trump's impeachments.
HandFireWeapon
I thought it was about lying to congress.
MajorNikon
Nope
aeroldoth
It was a witchunt on the Clintons. The Rs got a special investigator regarding 100k for a land deal, who found nothing. So they got another... who found nothing. So they got Starr, gave him limitless scope, limitless funds, and told him to dig until he found SOMETHING. He found the bj. They made a HUGE media stink over the bj. They went on and on about the "institution of marriage" and "the integrity of the office". And now they don't care about a lying unconstitutional pedo stealing billions.
MajorNikon
You are not wrong in that they claimed as much. The problem was it was never criminal and they knew it yet they still gave Starr $100M clams to NOT so much as indict either Clinton with so much as a parking ticket. It was always about the blowjob.
hfctom
Which is funny when you consider how much money they were getting from the Chinese for his re-election campaign. But if they had prosecuted him on "Dark Money" it would have exposed the NRA Bribery (and more than likely the AIPAC bribery) going on as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
CaldariBob
Trump has lowered the bar so far (what with all the porn star raw-dogging and child raping) but there was a time when sex scandals actually mattered to voters. It was always the blowjob.
lurkyloos
For real. The last election showed that 77 million Americans are ok with a convicted felon, convicted rapist and obvious child rapist being in charge. 75 million voted for Harris.
245 million were eligible to vote. ~63 million did not vote.
Election Day should be a national holiday. Polling locations should never be in a church. Rock the vote in November.
InfocalypseRising
The secret worst part of this is that there are still guys in office that were there to vote on the Clinton impeachment TWENTY EIGHT YEARS AGO.
xXxX66SICKXxXx
Yeah that was my initial disgust as soon as I read this and realized how long these fucking parasites have been fucking up the US
MrGhostbuster
I'm fucking 42 years old and Chuck Grassley has been in office since before I was born. Fucker needs to retire or die already.
m0problems
Chuck Grassley's political career began in 1959.
fattymcfattzz
Kind of Wish we had term limits
frizy1
I disagree. I would say that the worst part is the raping
leechdemon
...ok, the SECOND worst part here...
SerialChickenLover
Basically this. Why have the Boomers been allowed to rule this country for over 40 years?
swofromtherock
Because Gen X didn't do shit after 9/11. A few tried (thank you Snowden), but the boomer grip only tightened. Millennials and younger never had a chance. Soon, everything will change, one funeral at a time.
ToSisPoS
BeCaUsE tHeY cHaNgEd ThE wOrLd
SerialChickenLover
They sure did!
empire161
Chuck Grassley was born before the Dust Bowl, Social Security, FDR’s New Deal, and the Hindenburg. He was born during Prohibition. He’s old enough to remember Pearl Harbor. He was middle aged during the Civil Rights Act. He’s older than Alcoholics Anonymous and the Soviet Union.
phalanxausage
Yeah, fuck old people. Logan's Run showed us how we should run society.
UndulatingTerrain
Well, not older than the Soviet union.
Sonicschilidogs
I mean, he is if you consider the Soviet union died 30 years ago.....
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iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
This guy was born in 1933. Sliced bread 1928. Dust bowl 1930. I feel the rest needs to be fact checked as well.
Garwoodxx
The Republican Party has become a personality cult. Republicans have failed America.
datphone777365
Has? HAS? Go read a middle school us history book...
Fuckin hell.
Dannoboyo
Someone speaks the truth, and you are offended by semantics. Go Fuckin Hell Yourself.
datphone777365
Truth? Claims of current change that have been long a status quo are not truth.
Fuck off to hell yourself charlatan, tell em i sent you.
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bahukiba
What are implying by go read a history book about republicans?
datphone777365
Implying? What part of us history book implies anything?
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bahukiba
You are the one saying go read a history book. I am just asking what you are implying by that towards the person’s comment about republicans.
datphone777365
Go read the book, digest what is there and realize that there is no sudden shift in function in the type of person that would run under the repub banner.
How is this a hard thing to do or get? Is this willfull ignoranct obstinacy?
They stated "has" im stating there is no shift in state.
horseman05
Pretty sure Lindsey Graham is still in the closet.
TheDreadPirateMontoya
"I asked my Mee-Maw if I could have a walk-in closet since I'd be spending so much time in there, but she said no."
Fadetoblack021
beefsteak73
If so, he left the door wide open.
Timesarrows
there should be mandatory "genital" inspection of all Republican Politicians. (Dems don't vote for Hate Legislation on LGBTQ so Dems re exempt). GOP that do vote for LGBTQ Hate Legislation must submit to genital inspections and must declare their sexual orientation. it's also voter fraud not announcing to citizens this who need this info to properly vote. The sad, closeted hypocrisy of Lindsey Graham
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/10/16/the-sad-closeted-hypocrisy-of-lindsey-graham/
ToSisPoS
Just check one for teeth marks
abidikgubidik
Everyone already knows that. He must have a secret much worse for his base for him to kiss T's a$$ so much. Gotta be little boys or snuff or something like that.
TyrannusEquus
Yeah it's probably kids. They won't protect him like trump.
rshini
given where he's from, having a black partner would be enough - especially if he bottoms. But yeah, it's likely something worse.
Darkrftr
It’s ok, so is his boyfriend.
CaldariBob
*escorts
adamlstf9
Ladybugs*
tentaclefriendly
*sigh*