Although I support the motives behind the accused's actions, said actions have now likely put that entire facilities out of work. So said protesting actions just cut off his nose to spite his face. A living wage should be mandatory in any civilized country.
It was intentional by the arsonist. That is exactly what insurance is for. Unless the arsonist was the biz owner or engaged by the biz owner to set the fire.
Oh my god, this gives me so much hope. This is a good man doing bad things to worse people, and we need more of him than them. The People have more power than they think.
Shit like this needs to be happening all over the continent constantly. Do not let up until we get strong workers protections back. Remember the coal wars, the haymarket massacre, do-nut riots, stonewall. This is what fighting for rights has always looked like. So let’s get back to it, and take our power back. Labour strong!
If these corporations truly cared about their employees they would ensure they were properly compensated until they get back on their feet. They would’ve also ensured the employees would’ve been properly compensated so this never would’ve happened in the first place.
Those doing the burning already have nothing. That isn't a threat. Nor is it really an argument against radical action, seeing as the regular routes have long become hostile to anything resembling a working social structure that doesn't create unlivable misery as a main export
if thats your ideological take, your next step is to pick a number of people you feel comfortable sacrificing for your society to function ever year. good luck with that number, you're responsible for it.
Loss of revenue, rebuilding, rerouting logistics, product replacement, negative publicity, loss of stock pricing... It ain't ALL insurable and, if it is, it just spreads the hurt to the insurance company
Insurance companies are the worst. They have hedge funds that are buying property, causing the housing shortage. So they can hemorrhage money, too. Fuck those guys.
You'd be surprised. I work in commercial property insurance and even some of the big clients cut a LOT of corners on their policies to save money. Plus carriers like to add exclusions at renewal and arson is definitely an exclusion I've seen on policies. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if either it's specifically excluded or they voluntarily excluded arson to save on premium to appease the shareholders
I mean, undoubtedly well insured enough that the c-suite will still get their bonuses. Probably not well insured enough that the workers and bottom-level managers will keep their jobs.
This. The fight needs to get personal. Insurance will pay to rebuild anything destroyed, but cannot possibly cover the pain of action against them personally.
With what attitude? A realist one? Burning shit down so poor people lose jobs and rich people can file easy insurance claims benefits no one but the rich, dude.
From the guy who burned the place down, citing it as his motivation for the actions depicted and resulting in the destruction of all that property. Why, do you have s0omething non-anecdotal to show they were being paid enough to live? Oh, and remember it's in California btw, so cost of living is higher there.
And remember kids, creating unions was meant to make action like this unnecessary. Since all the union busting and corruption, we haven’t been able to properly negotiate so now we need to resort to this. This is the top guys fault, not the guy who lit the fire
Clause in my union contract says we cannot participate in solidarity walk outs... with our own union. At the contract planning meeting this weekend I am going to ask that we get the fuck rid of that. Should be a high priority item. Injury to one is an injury to all, unless this is just a sham and we're only interested in getting ours, fuck everone else.
Yep fuck the anti union corpo plants that the corpos have tainted the Union leaders with they've been doing this shit for a long time putting their bootlickers to poison the wells there's a reason why there's such a stigma against unions nowadays and it's not because unions are bad it's because the corpo jackasses at the top don't like unions and never have you realize if you read history about the union busting during the industrial revolution.
No its the workers fault. This fire will change fuck all. Form a union. Tax the rich like we did between 1944 and 1963 .... we taxed them at 92% for the top band .
The system is destroyed and broken buddy You're not taxing shit You're not getting represented for shit Time to rise up and fight with the working class fight the rich eat the rich destroy the rich they don't deserve to be in existence
Every time these people try forming a union, the companies break it up, or fire those involved. Sometimes even shutter franchisees, if they're a franchise-model company. Starbucks would rather close a few locations than deal with unions.
We did used to tax the rich. They were incentivized to invest in either the company or public works, just to have less taxable profit. But Reagan gutted that, and others reduced it more, and now those companies pay the government to keep it low.
He was employed by a third party. The employees that worked for Kimberly-Clark said that they were paid well. Now several hundred people are without jobs. Insurance will cover the building. The working class will continue to suffer.
Quit being an apologist boot licker for the corpos those employees that allegedly claimed they were being paid well are full of shit The warehouse workers in that plant made $16 an hour in California which is literally basically a slave wage in that state those contract workers the one in which burned it down were being paid even less and treated even worse this all could be prevented by unions people seem to have forgotten their history about the union busting and the industrial revolution
It could be argued that America started when some folks threw some tea into a harbor in protest of taxes. This has some symetry with that event, I think
Pretty much this. The CEO isn't going to hear complaints from a lowly worker. He wouldn't even let you near him. He might never even come to the town this warehouse is in. And finding out where they'll be in the world, where you can physically reach them, is near impossible, let alone afford to do it. This at least damages the business - and nobody got hurt. You do what you can. But now the guy doing this is in jail.
They keep themselves intentionally gated from day-to-day operations. The less the employee makes, the less of a chance they'll ever even see the guy. I very nearly got to see the CEO of Petco (the one that most recently stepped down) because the local store was chosen for a visit, but even then, I missed it and will never have the opportunity to meet a retail giant CEO gain, probably.
I understand why some are cheering this on but I can't help but wonder how many people who were also trying to get by are suddenly going to be out of work for some time. Being in Canada they probably have at least some form of social safety net that will help.
I don't know, if I'm the insurance company I'm going to be going through the policy with a fine-tooth comb finding a clause that means I don't have to pay.
Insurance companies do that anyway, thats why corporations have litigation departments. Theyll eventually wind up paying some amount the question is just how much goes to the lawyers and how much goes to the company
From a material perspective it's such a massive waste of resources too. That's A LOT of toilet paper that went up in flames for really no reason other than some idiot being angry. The people justifying it are making it worse.. this is why people do this crap. Keyboard warriors act like it's such a great response.. all this did was waste materials and put a lot of people out of a job instead of getting them paid what they should..
Large piles of paper products burn, it is their physical nature, they dont even need an arsonist.
I always use the power principle when assigning blame, who had the most power in this situation? As usual its the rich guy in the expensive suit.
Yes, a disgruntled worker lit the fire, but it was the rich guy who caused the disgruntlement. Who did not pay for adequate safety systems. And who will come out of this smelling like a rose.
What part are you having problems understanding? Sense you mentioned you often have a problem understanding what people on here are trying to explain to you I dont hold out much hope but lets give this a try.
So again, what did I say that doesnt make sense to you and why?
Yes, but the thing is that the those with power will always make sure that those without power experience most of the pain. It doesn't change the fact that we need to topple the system that allows for that, that exploits us and takes everything from us to give to the rich. Revolution requires sacrifice.
That has always been the case. The shit will always hit those at the bottom first. There is no way to strike at this that isn't the wealth. Also, that's not how insurance works for this - no insurer pays out for "our employee committed arson and filmed himself doing it". That's not, uh, covered.
Idk how the laws work where this happened, but here if my office burns down, I'm still employed and I still get paid. Probably that the insurance company foots the bill, idk about that detail. If I get laid off because of it, I get unemployment and other protection the system grants me.
Guy just took a pocket lighter to like 4 seperate stacks of toilet paper inside that warehouse recording himself. He said 'all you had to do is pay us enough to live.'
Probs. Shit keeps getting worse because everyone is so desperate to avoid short term suffering that they'll keep compromising and suffering a little more to make it happen, which inevitably leads to greater long term suffering. Anything you do to stand up the oligarchs will result in collective punishment for the proles to discourage copycats, and people like you will fall for it hook, line, and sinker every time, always blaming your own class instead of those who made job loss life threatening.
You're thinking way harder about this than the mouth-breathers. This was a monumentally stupid thing for him to do. I don't understand why people are praising him.
I'm a big fan of rioting and burning shit down until they stop killing us slowly and acting like we are the problem, and I don't think anything will change until a lot of shit is on fire. So big thumbs up on this one.
Thank you for being a rational and mature adult about this. Yes, his selfish action did nothing but kill hundreds of jobs. I can't believe people are praising him.
Jobs that weren't paying a livable wage and were probably going to get taken over by ai/automation soon anyways. I can't speak on how bad conditions were at his warehouse but many manufacturing jobs are getting to this point very quickly and the stock holders do not give a single shit about the jobs they take away or how much they undercut surplus value. Most places if you even breathe "unionization" you are fired. What alternative will people have left?
The man who did this is trash. Anyone that condones what he did is trash. Destruction of someone else's property because you're not personally happy is horrible. He could have found a new job or formed a union, but now his uncontrollable stupidity and hatred will send him to a small stone cube for the rest of his life, as he deserves.
If they get him on terrorism charges because of it, and the jury doesn't nullify it I'll agree with you. If the jury says, nah, he's right, all you had to do was pay them enough to live. Give them their bread and circuses or wait for your shit to be burnt down.
Now he gets free housing and free health care. Push people to the brink and eventually they push back. This is going to become much much more common before anything get better. Being polite got us stomped on, so fuck being polite.
"Long ago we came up with Union negotiation as an alternative to the factory workers burning down the owner's home and breaking his knees in the middle of the night. I believe the elites have forgotten that alternative"
Heroes have nothing to hide! Martyrs are often better for the cause than anonymous vigilantes. This likely wouldn’t have happened at all if it wasn’t for Luigi. And Chamel Abdulkarim is likely to inspire more people. If he didn’t video himself with that quote it would have been much easier for the media to write it off as a random act of insanity, or some other bullshit lie.
If there was an actual resistance organization sure. But we’re talking about individuals whose best chance at making things better is spreading awareness that there are other people ready to do what needs to be done. Because nobody can do it all by themselves. Organized rebellion needs to stay quiet, but in order to organize, people have to know there is something to organize around.
This is the way. Companies HATE having their image tarnished. It's why they force us into social media policies that restrict what we can post on our own personal profiles on our own personal time. The dude calling out the reason for his actions hit the company right where they'll feel it hurt.
But it was inspiring, and suggests he doesn't have anything to lose. Which fits his complaint pretty well. Jail doesn't charge you rent and you get to eat. Maybe for him with price increases and no pay getting arrested is the better option.
more businesses should wake up and quit acting like they own everything including humanity bunch of bootlickers like you are the reason they have so much power. Fuck corpos they deserve to have their empires burned to the ground for all the crimes they commit on the yearly.
Looks to me like the sprinkler system the the warehouse that held exclusively flammable paper products had an under-designed sprinkler system. Seems like a good lawsuit for negligence in design, construction, permitting, oversight and other regulations.
Oh no, they had a sprinkler system. It was turned off. The guy started a small fire, firemen showed up, turned off the sprinkler system and extinguished the small fire. Then, after the sprinklers were off, and as the firemen were leaving, he started a MUCH BIGGER fire.
Dude planned out the fire and executed his plan to perfection.
If you knowingly and poorly design fire sprinkler system and it gets approved not only the designer but the city permitting reviewer can possibly be arrested.
Sprinkler systems are not designed to extinguish a fire. They merely delay the building burning down for 10-15 kin to allow people to evacuate and for the FD to arrive to actually put it out
From what I read (and I want to be clear, this is currently in the speculation real, not verified fact), there was a small fire set first. Sprinklers went off. First responders arrived and shut off sprinklers according to protocol as fire was under control. Then multiple fires were set by the individual while the fire suppression system was down. Everything worked as it should have.
Not just because it lets it burn but because it’s probably why no one died everyone had already been evacuated. I kind of doubt it was planned that way though. Reads more like started one fire it didn’t work so he set more after and things worked out perfectly.
Arsonists who are more than just pyromaniacs are like … fetish scientists … they get their jollies on the physics of the deed at work, it’s all planned out
This guy isn’t a serial arsonist he started a fire as a means of protest. I doubt he planned all that out. He probably set the first fire the sprinklers put it out so he tried again.
I love Reddit for it's unhinged ability to behave like a school of cracked-out piranha about literally any topic in the fucking universe.
Birds, Beanie Babies, Blue-Footed Boobies, you fuckin' name it, Reddit delivers more than you could ever want to know with laser precision and absolutely zero thought about collateral damage.
(Seriously though, there's too much caffeine and not enough sleep over there.)
Yeah, it's a shame since the modding community for video games was decent enough back before Discord became what it is. Raging assholes they were, but at least they were knowledgeable about what was fucking with your load order in Skyrim.
Something about the format encourages this tbh, I get that urge there as well, like nothing else. I've also discovered the best way to learn new things is to make an assumption, then state that assumption as fact with utter certainty, at least 5 separate people will pop up to correct you, and with some luck at least one of them will have actual decent sources.
Back when stackexchange was utter shit, you could post a question, go to a sock puppet account, and post what you think is the answer, and then you'd have at least half a dozen different people respond with corrections.
You should be proud of this level of shit talking. It's what conservatives that openly talk politics in public need to hear(been hearing extra vile shit these days....)
Sounds to me like they hadn't left yet ... meaning the incompetence is in them not clearing the facility promptly to prevent exactly this from happening. Arsonists have a weird tendency to stick around.
Fire suppressions systems are not a simple on off reset. The water lines have to be refilled manually and a bunch of stuff have to be reset.
If this fire happened at night, they had no reason to believe it was arson at the time, so they wouldn't have spent all night doing that, they would have come back to do it in the morning.
Except that we all know it was the management team of that company, or the building owner, that nickel and dimed it down to shit. Who's going to sue who in that situation? Not to mention that any company worth the pot they piss in would've had an inspection done, either with internal people or external contractors, who signed off on it. Everybody has an alibi or a document or a signature to cover their ass. I just hope I can get tp tonight before stores here start gouging again.
Just thinking that if they did the math and found that the very low-cost inventory (tissue paper, come on...) times the very low fire risk (except for pissed off workers) could be priced lower than a sprinkler system big enough to put out a mountain of kindling, that's what they would do. I notice the distance from neighbours in the three directions visible on the photo as well. Risk management.
If you want a real answer: the person who would end up being held responsible would be the either the person who signed the safety inspection, or the company they represent. Unless they could prove that the system was up to code when it was signed, and then changed after. If that's the case then the person(management) who allowed the factory to continue operating whilst under approved safety standards, would be held ultimately responsible.
200%. Not excusing the shitty practice of temp agencies but at least they won't all be completely without *some* income. But unfortunately to send the message that needs to be sent some people will end up hurt, economically at the least. We need to be ready to help our neighbors when this happens and to reach out if it happens to us. And as this tide grows we need to ride it for all its worth
Worse! No injuries! Those poor health insurance CEOs aren't getting to withhold care from anyone! (/S since I know this took place in a civilized country that has universal healthcare)
PostalHeathen
SkinnerTBD
https://abc7news.com/post/new-video-toilet-paper-being-set-fire-reviewed-part-investigation-southern-california-warehouse/18860399/
Ilurklikekirk
Although I support the motives behind the accused's actions, said actions have now likely put that entire facilities out of work. So said protesting actions just cut off his nose to spite his face. A living wage should be mandatory in any civilized country.
Powerish
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1OHUxbWo4Z3o4OWdxbmlpbzF6MjFiMG40ZDR3M2J6MGR6cnpzdGthNCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/OsfVaOer7N2265YTRF/200w.webp
woozle
mikma
This happens when someone steals your bunny ear hat
tonehoundsmoser9
It's about sending a message
SaintWanderlust
I mean, it’s a building for and in behalf of paper products. I assume it’s insured.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
pcoriginal
Except they'll just raise prices to cover the loss.
Everyonespersonaltherapist
But also about the money, because all they had to do was pay them enough to live.
f85fw6xrhs
Price of TP is going to go up (and not in flames...)
andexer
Insurance, to the rescue!
dumpsterfolk
Hmm... this was intentional... no money's for toi
andexer
It was intentional by the arsonist. That is exactly what insurance is for. Unless the arsonist was the biz owner or engaged by the biz owner to set the fire.
greenytali
TeelMoobeel
that kind of sacrifice for a real cause inspires me, even if I don't have the courage to do the same.
NotSinceTheAccidend
So preeeetty
etherbunny41
Oh my god, this gives me so much hope. This is a good man doing bad things to worse people, and we need more of him than them. The People have more power than they think.
enderite
Khanamana324
Shit like this needs to be happening all over the continent constantly. Do not let up until we get strong workers protections back. Remember the coal wars, the haymarket massacre, do-nut riots, stonewall. This is what fighting for rights has always looked like. So let’s get back to it, and take our power back. Labour strong!
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
A livable wage is cheaper than revolution
ardtay
And so the second toilet paper shortage starts.
hungoveratworkguy
The rich only like to learn the hard way
HEARTS0FSPACE
As will the families who just lost their jobs.
hungoveratworkguy
If these corporations truly cared about their employees they would ensure they were properly compensated until they get back on their feet. They would’ve also ensured the employees would’ve been properly compensated so this never would’ve happened in the first place.
dpat13
This is a very French way of making a point. I hope they listen along with every other company that doesn’t pay their employees a living wage
resworn
It's in California.
dpat13
Yes, just pointing out that the French don’t fuck around, they burn things
resworn
My dip shit northern ass thought you meant Quebec. Naturally, after I posted, what you meant dawned on me. You got the right idea, my friend.
dpat13
Hahaha, I’m from the north as well. Good day to you
memepawn
Totally good with more things like this happening. Pay your fucking workers a livable wage, or run the risk of “accidents” ruining inventory.
Learn from the Five Guys CEO that handed out millions in bonuses saying, “I didn’t want anyone shooting me”
wozat
If everyone who was underpaid burned things down, we wouldn't have any things left
MirroredImage
Those doing the burning already have nothing. That isn't a threat.
Nor is it really an argument against radical action, seeing as the regular routes have long become hostile to anything resembling a working social structure that doesn't create unlivable misery as a main export
MeestowKitty
Good.
bekkayya
if thats your ideological take, your next step is to pick a number of people you feel comfortable sacrificing for your society to function ever year. good luck with that number, you're responsible for it.
wozat
Well why burn down the place where lots of people work and earn at least some money (even if not enough), instead of the mansions of the executives?
bekkayya
because you have access to where you work and dont have access to where they live? for starters?
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
Probably going to be a scene repeated all across American one day until the Oligarchs suffer the same fate.
just4thelolz
Probably very well insured. Rich people have class solidarity.
backrideup9
I want to see them find out that video was made by an executive level prick and they all get nothing because arson.
OvertleyBadpickuplines
Does the solidarity protect from large slanted metal rectangles falling at terminal velocity?
schlummi
Building and inventory. But being out of business till everything got rebuilt is probably not insurable.
bks2000
It’s called Business Interruption Insurance
KoalaOnTheJuice
Their premiums will go up until they pay their workers better though.
GreyKnightTemplar666
Until it happens enough and insurancers won't cover them anymore, we have to keep it up
tater1337
Delay, deny, defend
cuzitsthere
Loss of revenue, rebuilding, rerouting logistics, product replacement, negative publicity, loss of stock pricing... It ain't ALL insurable and, if it is, it just spreads the hurt to the insurance company
kurvarVillain
Insurance companies are the worst. They have hedge funds that are buying property, causing the housing shortage. So they can hemorrhage money, too. Fuck those guys.
furrnandovalenzuela
You'd be surprised. I work in commercial property insurance and even some of the big clients cut a LOT of corners on their policies to save money. Plus carriers like to add exclusions at renewal and arson is definitely an exclusion I've seen on policies. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if either it's specifically excluded or they voluntarily excluded arson to save on premium to appease the shareholders
pothocket
You... you think the insurance company is gonna just be like "you're one of the good ones. Here's a check for $200 mil"?
thedarklord187
They might for the first one but you lose a couple more warehouses and guess what they ain't covering shit
KuldFyt
I mean, undoubtedly well insured enough that the c-suite will still get their bonuses. Probably not well insured enough that the workers and bottom-level managers will keep their jobs.
thedarklord187
Just gotta find those residences
just4thelolz
Exactly. Funny how that works.
Oatmealman1
It's just too bad it wasn't the ceo's house
OdinYggd
This. The fight needs to get personal. Insurance will pay to rebuild anything destroyed, but cannot possibly cover the pain of action against them personally.
Owl2017
Okay but now everyone is out of a job
bekkayya
AnythingMuchShorter
The rich will just raise the price of products and recoup their losses too. The game is rigged and they never lose.
MeestowKitty
No, the slaves are now without a plantation.
Mithi
out of a SHIT jobs as it seems ... losing your chains has no downsides
HEARTS0FSPACE
Said like a truly privileged person who has no idea how anything actually works.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
poochyena
If its not about the money, then what is the message?
etherbunny41
They weren't being paid enough to live in the first place.
BobDoleKingOfBudapest
now they'll really starve. that'll show'm
IAmASentientWaffle
With that attitude nothing'll ever change. Fuck off.
BobDoleKingOfBudapest
With what attitude? A realist one? Burning shit down so poor people lose jobs and rich people can file easy insurance claims benefits no one but the rich, dude.
IAmASentientWaffle
Yeah, that's why it shouldn't just be *one* dude lighting *one* company on fire. But may it serve as inspiration.
poochyena
poochyena
How do you know that?
etherbunny41
Something about "All you had to do was pay us enough to live", I guess.
poochyena
So a random quote?
etherbunny41
From the guy who burned the place down, citing it as his motivation for the actions depicted and resulting in the destruction of all that property. Why, do you have s0omething non-anecdotal to show they were being paid enough to live? Oh, and remember it's in California btw, so cost of living is higher there.
NChomsky
OhSheeeeeet
Still hilarious to see how much police had to walk with him.
Xenarion
It was a media show more than actual security.
wotac
Like anyone was going to shoot him anyway. Probably the best place to avoid getting shot would be directly in front of him.
adiving
Well ye, but that's just because you jump to the assumption of a shooting. What if it's to keep away the fangirls.
IJustWantToMakeAComment
And remember kids, creating unions was meant to make action like this unnecessary. Since all the union busting and corruption, we haven’t been able to properly negotiate so now we need to resort to this. This is the top guys fault, not the guy who lit the fire
katzohki
Busting unions and busting protests
Wapusk
Clause in my union contract says we cannot participate in solidarity walk outs... with our own union. At the contract planning meeting this weekend I am going to ask that we get the fuck rid of that. Should be a high priority item. Injury to one is an injury to all, unless this is just a sham and we're only interested in getting ours, fuck everone else.
thedarklord187
Yep fuck the anti union corpo plants that the corpos have tainted the Union leaders with they've been doing this shit for a long time putting their bootlickers to poison the wells there's a reason why there's such a stigma against unions nowadays and it's not because unions are bad it's because the corpo jackasses at the top don't like unions and never have you realize if you read history about the union busting during the industrial revolution.
Wapusk
Solidarity forever!
Solidarity forever!
Solidarity forever!
For The Union makes us STRONG!
DickInAToaster
But his coworker that the news interviewed, said they made really good money. 🤷🏼♂️
raberscoob
Yeah that coworker has Stockholm syndrom
JohnSmithterms
No its the workers fault. This fire will change fuck all. Form a union. Tax the rich like we did between 1944 and 1963 .... we taxed them at 92% for the top band .
thedarklord187
The system is destroyed and broken buddy You're not taxing shit You're not getting represented for shit Time to rise up and fight with the working class fight the rich eat the rich destroy the rich they don't deserve to be in existence
pumpkincharmer
Easy right? Go try forming a union today in 2026. One powerful enough to effect things. Yeah
DangerBaer
Bless your heart.
akafluffy
read the comment again real slow and try again.
EstoyPoopis
Says the clueless potato from his couch.
Read a book.
DukeDarkwood
Every time these people try forming a union, the companies break it up, or fire those involved. Sometimes even shutter franchisees, if they're a franchise-model company. Starbucks would rather close a few locations than deal with unions.
We did used to tax the rich. They were incentivized to invest in either the company or public works, just to have less taxable profit. But Reagan gutted that, and others reduced it more, and now those companies pay the government to keep it low.
KitchenClean
He was employed by a third party. The employees that worked for Kimberly-Clark said that they were paid well. Now several hundred people are without jobs. Insurance will cover the building. The working class will continue to suffer.
thedarklord187
Quit being an apologist boot licker for the corpos those employees that allegedly claimed they were being paid well are full of shit The warehouse workers in that plant made $16 an hour in California which is literally basically a slave wage in that state those contract workers the one in which burned it down were being paid even less and treated even worse this all could be prevented by unions people seem to have forgotten their history about the union busting and the industrial revolution
YouAreTheInsultMaster
They hired contractors specifically to not pay them well and keep their hands clean
Skywatcher16
source that the employees are now either laid off or otherwise going without pay? please and thank you.
DVSBSTrD
Then why is the wearhouse burning and not the top guy? Protests mean nothing without justice.
DangerBaer
If you begin with murder, it leaves you nowhere else to go.
Come on, be reasonable.
darkninja2992
Because the top guy was not within range of the lighter, but the product was
Booblygack
Because property destruction historically works pretty well. You don't NEED to START with the murder, you can ramp up if nothing else works.
YRB5
It could be argued that America started when some folks threw some tea into a harbor in protest of taxes. This has some symetry with that event, I think
Xenarion
The warehouse burning hurts the company and thus its owner.
jstarlen
Warehouse is insured. Workers' profits already paid for it. The owner gets a reimbursement, rebuilds cheaper, keeps a bonus. Eat the rich.
thedarklord187
So what I'm hearing is burn down more warehouses until the insurance company is won't ensure them sounds like a sound strategy
NKato
The CEO was not available.
mindstorm8191
Pretty much this. The CEO isn't going to hear complaints from a lowly worker. He wouldn't even let you near him. He might never even come to the town this warehouse is in. And finding out where they'll be in the world, where you can physically reach them, is near impossible, let alone afford to do it.
This at least damages the business - and nobody got hurt. You do what you can. But now the guy doing this is in jail.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
can we break him out
thedarklord187
Please do so
jamiedBreaker
They keep themselves intentionally gated from day-to-day operations. The less the employee makes, the less of a chance they'll ever even see the guy. I very nearly got to see the CEO of Petco (the one that most recently stepped down) because the local store was chosen for a visit, but even then, I missed it and will never have the opportunity to meet a retail giant CEO gain, probably.
tzahtman
I understand why some are cheering this on but I can't help but wonder how many people who were also trying to get by are suddenly going to be out of work for some time. Being in Canada they probably have at least some form of social safety net that will help.
grungut
people also completely ignore that it very easily could have killed everyone else in there and spread beyond just the warehouse
StrangePaegan
Won't they qualify for unemployment?
tzahtman
I would hope so.
PostalHeathen
They're not in Canada. This happened in Ontario, California.
Xenarion
Oops, wrong Ontario.
tzahtman
Well that is unfortunate for the workers.
LitchLitch
Looking at this from a material aspect the people hurt most by this are the hourly workers here who dont have a job until the warehouse is rebuilt.
Mgmt is going to be busy cleaning up and rebuilding.
The corp just makes a claim on their insurance and get 80-90% of the value from that an a nice tax write off for the rest.
Which is why you burn down the owners houses, not the work place.
Arkham17
I don't know, if I'm the insurance company I'm going to be going through the policy with a fine-tooth comb finding a clause that means I don't have to pay.
LitchLitch
Insurance companies do that anyway, thats why corporations have litigation departments. Theyll eventually wind up paying some amount the question is just how much goes to the lawyers and how much goes to the company
eventide215
From a material perspective it's such a massive waste of resources too. That's A LOT of toilet paper that went up in flames for really no reason other than some idiot being angry. The people justifying it are making it worse.. this is why people do this crap. Keyboard warriors act like it's such a great response.. all this did was waste materials and put a lot of people out of a job instead of getting them paid what they should..
LitchLitch
Large piles of paper products burn, it is their physical nature, they dont even need an arsonist.
I always use the power principle when assigning blame, who had the most power in this situation? As usual its the rich guy in the expensive suit.
Yes, a disgruntled worker lit the fire, but it was the rich guy who caused the disgruntlement. Who did not pay for adequate safety systems. And who will come out of this smelling like a rose.
eventide215
Classic Imgurian. That makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention you completely fail to see what I said.
LitchLitch
What part are you having problems understanding? Sense you mentioned you often have a problem understanding what people on here are trying to explain to you I dont hold out much hope but lets give this a try.
So again, what did I say that doesnt make sense to you and why?
eventide215
When did I ever say such a thing? Wow. Nice try at gaslighting I guess.
archon325
Yes, but the thing is that the those with power will always make sure that those without power experience most of the pain. It doesn't change the fact that we need to topple the system that allows for that, that exploits us and takes everything from us to give to the rich. Revolution requires sacrifice.
DevilsAdvocat
ok, but, for insurance purposes, what happens if this keeps happening?
mindstorm8191
Insurance ain't gonna keep paying out like that. They'll raise rates for a while, then just fully drop them
DevilsAdvocat
exactly
Vidikron
Arson is an add-on that I've seen businesses not have on their policies. Restaurant and a movie theater went tits up due to a disgruntled employee.
Booblygack
That has always been the case. The shit will always hit those at the bottom first. There is no way to strike at this that isn't the wealth. Also, that's not how insurance works for this - no insurer pays out for "our employee committed arson and filmed himself doing it". That's not, uh, covered.
Xenarion
Idk how the laws work where this happened, but here if my office burns down, I'm still employed and I still get paid. Probably that the insurance company foots the bill, idk about that detail. If I get laid off because of it, I get unemployment and other protection the system grants me.
mksu
What?
spittleteets
What, what?
tzahtman
What, why?
SpeedBeetle
BECAUSE. THEY. PAY. STARVATION. WAGES.
UnoriginalPieceOfRepeatingShit
In the butt!
spittleteets
There it is!!
Level21Magikarp
Guy just took a pocket lighter to like 4 seperate stacks of toilet paper inside that warehouse recording himself. He said 'all you had to do is pay us enough to live.'
bripi
Thanx, I was completely puzzled by this.
mksu
Lmao nice
LostChats
If you just lost your job because you worked there would you still be lMAOing?
mksu
Probs. Shit keeps getting worse because everyone is so desperate to avoid short term suffering that they'll keep compromising and suffering a little more to make it happen, which inevitably leads to greater long term suffering. Anything you do to stand up the oligarchs will result in collective punishment for the proles to discourage copycats, and people like you will fall for it hook, line, and sinker every time, always blaming your own class instead of those who made job loss life threatening.
IAmASentientWaffle
Shut the fuck up, bootlicker
HEARTS0FSPACE
You're thinking way harder about this than the mouth-breathers. This was a monumentally stupid thing for him to do. I don't understand why people are praising him.
Kablooeeey
I'm a big fan of rioting and burning shit down until they stop killing us slowly and acting like we are the problem, and I don't think anything will change until a lot of shit is on fire. So big thumbs up on this one.
cyclone0619
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZmNtanI5NTQ5Z2tpMzZnN252aHpoMWllZWIzcWN6cXhvd3NnZjV3OCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/YFDvDvkdsrcvpbyiy5/200w.webp better save my old clothes in case I need them like I did during COVID.
secretagentchewbacca
Username relevant
Selfinflictedwounds
Any protest, riots, etc neeed to happen in the right locations. A protest or 2 in up scale areas will definitely be better example
TsubakiTragic
"rioting and burning shit down"... such an underutilised tactic in the US.
LicensedAdHominem
Shewy92
I'm curious as to why? Because all I see is a couple hundred out of work because 9f one mentally disturbed individual.
HEARTS0FSPACE
Thank you for being a rational and mature adult about this. Yes, his selfish action did nothing but kill hundreds of jobs. I can't believe people are praising him.
LazerSpacePirate
Jobs that weren't paying a livable wage and were probably going to get taken over by ai/automation soon anyways. I can't speak on how bad conditions were at his warehouse but many manufacturing jobs are getting to this point very quickly and the stock holders do not give a single shit about the jobs they take away or how much they undercut surplus value. Most places if you even breathe "unionization" you are fired. What alternative will people have left?
demonmike777
The man who did this is trash. Anyone that condones what he did is trash. Destruction of someone else's property because you're not personally happy is horrible. He could have found a new job or formed a union, but now his uncontrollable stupidity and hatred will send him to a small stone cube for the rest of his life, as he deserves.
PolitiCat
They don't care. They only care if they are falling like flies.
just4thelolz
Maybe he shouldn't have recorded himself doing it, but that's just my opinion.
MadamPuddifoot
Can we get some fucking context?
KawaiiInari
Eh. It gives the world something to see, and send the message. They knew the risk and took it.
OhSheeeeeet
They would have been found out anyways. Might as well blast the message to the world for greater effect.
akafluffy
If they get him on terrorism charges because of it, and the jury doesn't nullify it I'll agree with you. If the jury says, nah, he's right, all you had to do was pay them enough to live. Give them their bread and circuses or wait for your shit to be burnt down.
SavageDrums
There are probably going to be a lot of martyrs on the way to revolution.
Kablooeeey
Now he gets free housing and free health care. Push people to the brink and eventually they push back. This is going to become much much more common before anything get better. Being polite got us stomped on, so fuck being polite.
SrPootStank
My friend if you have ever experienced that free housing and free health care you would not speak of it as if it were a good thing.
Feonir44
"Long ago we came up with Union negotiation as an alternative to the factory workers burning down the owner's home and breaking his knees in the middle of the night. I believe the elites have forgotten that alternative"
LuminoZero
"Being calm never got me a God damned thing!" - Ben Sisko
Trankia12
Heroes have nothing to hide! Martyrs are often better for the cause than anonymous vigilantes. This likely wouldn’t have happened at all if it wasn’t for Luigi. And Chamel Abdulkarim is likely to inspire more people. If he didn’t video himself with that quote it would have been much easier for the media to write it off as a random act of insanity, or some other bullshit lie.
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Trankia12
If there was an actual resistance organization sure. But we’re talking about individuals whose best chance at making things better is spreading awareness that there are other people ready to do what needs to be done. Because nobody can do it all by themselves. Organized rebellion needs to stay quiet, but in order to organize, people have to know there is something to organize around.
Stefnos87
the next few people can stay hidden, that way they dont know how many are out there ^^
KaJuN
This is the way. Companies HATE having their image tarnished. It's why they force us into social media policies that restrict what we can post on our own personal profiles on our own personal time. The dude calling out the reason for his actions hit the company right where they'll feel it hurt.
Shaows
And posted it on online
Zetor
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annonymouse211
But it was inspiring, and suggests he doesn't have anything to lose. Which fits his complaint pretty well. Jail doesn't charge you rent and you get to eat. Maybe for him with price increases and no pay getting arrested is the better option.
Debaucherousgeek
Enjoy prison. That dudes going away for a LONG time and so will anyone doing that. 🖕
SavageDrums
Not if everyone does that.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Qq- what tooth paste do you use to get the taste out of your mouth from the bootlicking?
LunaWolvesLoyalist
Does the boot taste good?
DangerBaer
Your butthole has my insincerest condolences.
thedarklord187
more businesses should wake up and quit acting like they own everything including humanity bunch of bootlickers like you are the reason they have so much power. Fuck corpos they deserve to have their empires burned to the ground for all the crimes they commit on the yearly.
Debaucherousgeek
thedarklord187
Notice how you're the loser in this scenario 🙄
Debaucherousgeek
Aww the anarchist thought it could hurt my feelings.
Kyzyl
Looks to me like the sprinkler system the the warehouse that held exclusively flammable paper products had an under-designed sprinkler system. Seems like a good lawsuit for negligence in design, construction, permitting, oversight and other regulations.
d14z3p4m
yes we should talk about those sprinklers system more
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
Oh no, they had a sprinkler system. It was turned off. The guy started a small fire, firemen showed up, turned off the sprinkler system and extinguished the small fire. Then, after the sprinklers were off, and as the firemen were leaving, he started a MUCH BIGGER fire.
Dude planned out the fire and executed his plan to perfection.
ElderLurkerInNeedOfaCane
If you knowingly and poorly design fire sprinkler system and it gets approved not only the designer but the city permitting reviewer can possibly be arrested.
drpain522
Sprinkler systems are not designed to extinguish fires, they are to help contain them
JarJarBinksKisser
"We dont need sprinklers, the building is older than the regulations, we are grandfathered in. It wouldd cost too much"
Gunslinger8912
Sprinkler systems are not designed to extinguish a fire. They merely delay the building burning down for 10-15 kin to allow people to evacuate and for the FD to arrive to actually put it out
brownribbon
Good reason for the insurance company to deny the claim lol.
Xenarion
My thoughts exactly.
PorneliusHubertII
Apparatus the arsonist was smart enough to wait for the FD to disarm the fire suppression in the other warehouses before committing more arson lol.
randomthingsonthenet
From what I read (and I want to be clear, this is currently in the speculation real, not verified fact), there was a small fire set first. Sprinklers went off. First responders arrived and shut off sprinklers according to protocol as fire was under control. Then multiple fires were set by the individual while the fire suppression system was down. Everything worked as it should have.
Cincinasty
I’ve heard the same.
Frostedjakes
All I've seen is the deputy fire chief saying the system was operational but could not control the fire.
choppedliveraldente
Especially the prol
livingonagiantfireball
Well protocol needs an update if this happened.
Toqom
Pretty sure multiple people helped but one guy took all the blame.
Klaumbaz
Also, roof collapsed, compromised the system.
Firestar002
I’m just glad nobody got hurt.
Xenarion
Interesting.
Kyzyl
Wow. That's pretty clever.
slightlybrokenegg
Not just because it lets it burn but because it’s probably why no one died everyone had already been evacuated. I kind of doubt it was planned that way though. Reads more like started one fire it didn’t work so he set more after and things worked out perfectly.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Arsonists who are more than just pyromaniacs are like … fetish scientists … they get their jollies on the physics of the deed at work, it’s all planned out
slightlybrokenegg
This guy isn’t a serial arsonist he started a fire as a means of protest. I doubt he planned all that out. He probably set the first fire the sprinklers put it out so he tried again.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Sure, I just felt like sharing a thing I know about.
ThailandExpress
thats basically the consensus on Reddit for sure
wooliebooger
DarthWaiterSE
I love Reddit for it's unhinged ability to behave like a school of cracked-out piranha about literally any topic in the fucking universe.
Birds, Beanie Babies, Blue-Footed Boobies, you fuckin' name it, Reddit delivers more than you could ever want to know with laser precision and absolutely zero thought about collateral damage.
(Seriously though, there's too much caffeine and not enough sleep over there.)
slightlybrokenegg
Too bad it’s ran by Nazis and pedophiles.
DarthWaiterSE
Yeah, it's a shame since the modding community for video games was decent enough back before Discord became what it is. Raging assholes they were, but at least they were knowledgeable about what was fucking with your load order in Skyrim.
Ivain
Something about the format encourages this tbh, I get that urge there as well, like nothing else. I've also discovered the best way to learn new things is to make an assumption, then state that assumption as fact with utter certainty, at least 5 separate people will pop up to correct you, and with some luck at least one of them will have actual decent sources.
ArchMagos
Back when stackexchange was utter shit, you could post a question, go to a sock puppet account, and post what you think is the answer, and then you'd have at least half a dozen different people respond with corrections.
ontarioOT
I guess he was inspired by the double-tap method that is currently popular amongst war criminals.
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VagabondEngineer
I was thinking the same thing....
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MrBoopyPutthole
Funny enough this fire happened in Ontario California
Jamesstin
You should be proud of this level of shit talking. It's what conservatives that openly talk politics in public need to hear(been hearing extra vile shit these days....)
Omicron416
Agreed, truly top-tier trolling.
Toqom
Oh man I hope he says this in court
johnhatten2
What is this?
WildHummi
Show is Letterkenny, Canadian comedy, a good watch
TacoPoweredHelicopter
That's gross incompetence of the fire department then... They left before turning the fire suppression system back on?
Wtf.
Omicron416
Sounds to me like they hadn't left yet ... meaning the incompetence is in them not clearing the facility promptly to prevent exactly this from happening.
Arsonists have a weird tendency to stick around.
arikelrecords2000
Not so weird. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
They could have just paid their employees enough to live
NinjablazerZero
Fire suppressions systems are not a simple on off reset. The water lines have to be refilled manually and a bunch of stuff have to be reset.
If this fire happened at night, they had no reason to believe it was arson at the time, so they wouldn't have spent all night doing that, they would have come back to do it in the morning.
gronzilla
Even if they suspected arson, they would normally not expect a repeat. I donot think this has happened before.
backrideup9
Except that we all know it was the management team of that company, or the building owner, that nickel and dimed it down to shit. Who's going to sue who in that situation? Not to mention that any company worth the pot they piss in would've had an inspection done, either with internal people or external contractors, who signed off on it. Everybody has an alibi or a document or a signature to cover their ass. I just hope I can get tp tonight before stores here start gouging again.
UneventfulLover
Just thinking that if they did the math and found that the very low-cost inventory (tissue paper, come on...) times the very low fire risk (except for pissed off workers) could be priced lower than a sprinkler system big enough to put out a mountain of kindling, that's what they would do. I notice the distance from neighbours in the three directions visible on the photo as well. Risk management.
Eyeetsass
In my locality insurance, and local authorities require 6 month inspections of fire prevention systems.
HamSlamwich
If you want a real answer: the person who would end up being held responsible would be the either the person who signed the safety inspection, or the company they represent. Unless they could prove that the system was up to code when it was signed, and then changed after. If that's the case then the person(management) who allowed the factory to continue operating whilst under approved safety standards, would be held ultimately responsible.
*in a perfect world*
shmerden11
Multiple fires in multiple areas will overwhelm the vast majority of sprinkler systems
Eyeetsass
It seems like they should have paid people enough to live.
YouRadicalizedMe
Indeed
bourbonandbaddecisions
Sadly now the whole warehouse staff will be out of work
GasBandit
Guess they got time on their hands to set more fires, then
Lynkfox
My understanding was like 75% of them were part time contract to hire anyways. They'll just be shuffled to another job by their agency.
Eyeetsass
They didn’t have jobs. They were being exploited on a temporary basis.
Lynkfox
200%. Not excusing the shitty practice of temp agencies but at least they won't all be completely without *some* income.
But unfortunately to send the message that needs to be sent some people will end up hurt, economically at the least. We need to be ready to help our neighbors when this happens and to reach out if it happens to us. And as this tide grows we need to ride it for all its worth
NotSinceTheAccidend
But did anybody die?
Kiares
No injuries or deaths
DoomyDoomyDoom
Worse! No injuries! Those poor health insurance CEOs aren't getting to withhold care from anyone! (/S since I know this took place in a civilized country that has universal healthcare)
NotSinceTheAccidend
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