@op yeah you know tickets for that show haven’t gone on sale yet right? You’re not seeing the actual released tickets. You’re seeing the presale money grabbers.
100%....that is serious BS. I HAVE the money, but one of the reasons I have the money is that I don't spend it on crap like that. I love metallica's music, but child please!
So, because I am curious, I looked up these tickets myself. Without any context, yeah, these prices are insane. Then you understand that it's the 25th anniversary of the Mohegan Sun, and it's two different concerts with two different openers... it makes it a little easier to understand why the prices are inflated. Also, these are presale prices, so you know that they'll be MORE later after the scalpers get their tickets. Still insane, but now with context.
I saw them both nights at Gillette in 24, we bought the tickets for the Friday for $65 early in the year. We then got tickets for the Sunday night for $25 on the Saturday before the second show.
Are they still popular? Everything I listened from them after Justice For All has been crap. Do they just play all their 80s shit to keep the audience entertained?
Because they don't? I hate ticketmaster too, don't get me wrong, but this person posted a screenshot from stubhub before the tickets had ever even gone on sale. Scalpers were always a thing before ticketmaster, it's way worse now, and even face value tickets on ticketmaster are unaffordable. But we don't need to pretend that tickets cost in the thousands when they don't. The fact that it cost me $300 to see metallica last year is already unaffordable for most people, we don't need to lie
I went to the same show in 2023, the kick off in Amsterdam. Paid 200 euro for both nights. I think its more Ticketmaster then Metallica fault for those prices.
And fuck the Trump administration. States brought suit against them but the federal government took the lead. It was pretty clear they’d win then the fed decided to cut a deal to give Ticketmaster a slap on the wrist if they pinky promised to be less douchey to customers in the future
Same with everything why is shit expensive because people pay it tickets, GPU or cars it all works the same as long people are willing to pay it will stay that way.
Yeah what people tolerate is beyond me when GPU prices were at an all time high and people still paid ungodly amounts from scalpers and then complained after like you are part of the problem.
Blew my mind that Ticketmaster has "resellers" except those resellers' tickets are sold on Ticketmaster's own site. So the tickets get marked up by the "middleman" that may or may not actually exist.
Sometimes the bands don't have a choice even if they wanted to personally voice against it. Some are locked into contracts they sign and then get a bait and switch, its extremely common. Our company only dealt with warner music contracts and, its most likely a lawyer/middle man making the decisions and not the band. And the band doesn't get more money for it. I recommend reading Walking Disaster by Deryck Whibley and Simon & Schuster and Mark Hoppus Flight 183.
Np, also upvoted you. You didn't deserve negative points for asking honest questions. Just wanted to be helpful. Like most things like this, its complex.
Fuuuck. I saw Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions, and Van Halen back in ‘88 for $25 (about $70 in today’s dollars). If a seat’s worth that much money, someone else is sitting in it.
The fact that this show will still sell out, while I'm selling things on ebay for $10 each to just make ends meet, really shows the catastrophic disconnect in our society.
I’ve seen several shows at that venue. The casino generally comps unsold tix to club members/big spenders, etc, then writes the loss off or whatever shenanigans.
That was my immediate thought. We got tickets to see them at the sphere next year for a package of 2 concerts and 3 night hotel for just under 2700.00 bucks.
Oh hell naw! They tried to sue me back in the day because I had downloaded a techno remix of Nothing Else Matters off of Napster. At that point, I had every single album they'd recorded and a bootleg of an early live show. I had been a superfan up until I got a letter from their attorney. They can get bent.
No they didn't. Not a single lawsuit was filed against individuals by Metallica. They sued *Napster*, which was an incorporated business that had collected millions of dollars in investment capital by leveraging their popularity as a platform for sharing other peoples' IP without permission. The most they did was name individual offenders to Napster and demand their accounts be closed.
Later on, the RIAA started going after individuals over many different artists, but that's not Metallica.
RIAA is Metallica, and RIAA is also every other band that signs a contract with the member companies.
Part of the standard contract is that the members cross-license each others’ works (with only a promise that _someday_ they’ll count usage and pay royalties), and that the band’s work is otherwise excluded from all outside publication.
In other words, once a band signs, their art is inseparable from RIAA, and the artists themselves are indentured.
Misleading. RIAA works with labels, not bands. My point was that the lawsuits were not initiated by Metallica. One, they came many years after the whole Napster thing, and two, Metallica has no control over the larger RIAA organization. Metallica, as a band, only sought legal action against explicitly Napster-the-business, that was illegally profiting from and using their work to fundraise. Literally no different than AI firms using stolen IP to create their products today.
Metallica will always be one of my favourites... just for the music though not anything they have done or stand for. Sad to see this given where they started as a garage thrash band. I would love to watch them but for maybe $100 not th8s insanity
Sounds like you're a fairly new listener. If you liked Metallica & San Francisco Symphony, you might like Metallica by themselves. For me, Metallica has fizzled out and their music doesn't quite have the same feel as before.
Metallica is awesome, Lars is a cock holster and I will pirate everything he does out of sheer spite, even if it's trash, just so he has to see those pirate numbers.
Does pirating hurt artists? Absolutely. Does it hurt them nearly as much as Spotify or Pandora or Amazon Music bullshit does today? Hell nah. Pirates bought merch and tickets and most the ones I knew, if they actually liked the art, they bought the thing as well. Pirating was the online version of headphones at the store.
I saw The Ramones and Teenage Head in 1991 in a venue so small you could walk up and get punched in the face by the band. Maybe 40 people in the pit and another 50 in the crowd. Couldn't have been more than $10 to get in.
I feel like GDTS mail order was cheaper. What sucked was you didn't get tix before they went on sale at Ticket Master so sometimes you had to double dip and with the fees, TM was pricier. I loved when there'd be a line of Heads and Filene's (GFox or something at the time) lines up on a Saturday AM when the tweens and moms showed up to shop at Limited/GAP/etc and were visually disturbed by what they saw (and sometimes smelled ) lol
I paid a 10th of this price for nearly floor seats to see Metallica in Charlotte for the Death Magnetic tour back in late '09. This is fucking criminal.
I randomly put old stubs on the fridge b/c they’re cool. My kids say stuff like “What the heck? The dead in ‘92 were $27.50? What happened?!” At the time, that was a price hike, too.
Sam Goody, Macy's gift wrap, or Sears were the regular ticket spots near where I grew up. Yeah, Pearl Jam went to war in the 90's with ticketron...didn't seem like it did much good then, and scalpers, resellers, and price gougers are still ruining things for fans. Fuck 'em.
HansVerhaegen
F Metallica. When was the last time they did anything worthwhile? 25 years ago maybe?
stabthecrab
@op yeah you know tickets for that show haven’t gone on sale yet right? You’re not seeing the actual released tickets. You’re seeing the presale money grabbers.
gtollie
You wouldn’t download a concert ?? 😜
tinydog
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eHA5dnlyeG9hcTh6cDY3bTZqY2w5eWY0NXVoaXM5bmdqNnk2OXo5ZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/29nDtEH1ViY8FcPeaV/200w.webp
OperatorWay
That's not very metal of them.
tster1973
100%....that is serious BS. I HAVE the money, but one of the reasons I have the money is that I don't spend it on crap like that. I love metallica's music, but child please!
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
IntelligentLake
Best I can do is $3.50.
MelfsAcidArrow
I saw Metallica last when Newstead was still slinging bass. Best version of them that I could see (RIP Cliff)
circlebreaker
intercitydude
Break up Ticketmaster. Democrats who do it will get more votes.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
TheVillageGrouch9000
The GOP will likely block it as they are well paid.
CodingMoose
aww man, gonna download that concert outa spite
Akivaran
So, because I am curious, I looked up these tickets myself. Without any context, yeah, these prices are insane. Then you understand that it's the 25th anniversary of the Mohegan Sun, and it's two different concerts with two different openers... it makes it a little easier to understand why the prices are inflated. Also, these are presale prices, so you know that they'll be MORE later after the scalpers get their tickets. Still insane, but now with context.
BeerCir
I saw them both nights at Gillette in 24, we bought the tickets for the Friday for $65 early in the year. We then got tickets for the Sunday night for $25 on the Saturday before the second show.
phoenix071
Not only is this presale, this screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
Voodrew
Yeah, this isn't normal. I saw them in last year in Tampa at Raymond James Stadium and they were like $300 for two shows on two nights.
ImaginaryFriendship
At that price it would have to be bringing Chopin or Liszt back from the dead to get me to pay that much for a concert.
HarrLeighQuinn
I was there when Metallica fell. I was there when Metallica said, "Napster bad".
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
circlebreaker
stevestevensonthesteve
Are they still popular? Everything I listened from them after Justice For All has been crap. Do they just play all their 80s shit to keep the audience entertained?
YellowCottonDress
Even Justice is overlong imo, and they mixed the bass player out of existence on that album for reasons unknown, so it has this weird tinny sound.
stevestevensonthesteve
I couldn't hear the bass on the previous records anyway due to having two distorted guitars going at it.
Will0099
Greed. Good old fashioned greed to hear 30+ yr old songs.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
nimeton0
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
DdCno1
Why are you repeating this comment as if Ticketmaster had nothing to do with this?
phoenix071
Because they don't? I hate ticketmaster too, don't get me wrong, but this person posted a screenshot from stubhub before the tickets had ever even gone on sale. Scalpers were always a thing before ticketmaster, it's way worse now, and even face value tickets on ticketmaster are unaffordable. But we don't need to pretend that tickets cost in the thousands when they don't. The fact that it cost me $300 to see metallica last year is already unaffordable for most people, we don't need to lie
Voodrew
These are all resale ticket prices, I saw them in Tampa and they were like $300 for two shows on two nights.
thebonesofmyancestors
Yep, and the resales are being sold on Ticketmaster. So they get their cut coming and going and then coming and going again. They're such douchebags.
MrE158
Huh. A year ago they played Dublin and you could get tickets for both nights of a 2-night show for €250.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
DdCno1
There are very easy measures that prevent resale. If they are not implementing those, they are complicit.
Littlebastard88
I went to the same show in 2023, the kick off in Amsterdam. Paid 200 euro for both nights. I think its more Ticketmaster then Metallica fault for those prices.
ImaginaryFriendship
Saw them at a 3 day festival was like 200 dollars maybe
Elvenbane
Fuck Ticketmaster
stabthecrab
Well this isn’t even ticket master it’s a third party selling seat to a show that hasn’t released tickets yet.
Darklinkinfinite
And fuck the Trump administration. States brought suit against them but the federal government took the lead. It was pretty clear they’d win then the fed decided to cut a deal to give Ticketmaster a slap on the wrist if they pinky promised to be less douchey to customers in the future
clonedeeznuts
And kick back bribes
Evenmoreuselessname
The Microsoft settlement method
DdCno1
Add it to the list of shit that doesn't fly in the EU, as Microsoft in particular have found out repeatedly.
RetrogradeLlama
On demand pricing. A horrible invention. Artists can choose not to do it, but they don’t.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
shalafi71
So, do those prices mean people are actually paying that much? How does it work?
RoboUnicornFishBalls
Remember when people were bulk buying bog roll and selling it for more than it's worth?
Same concept.
Jandegrote
Same with everything why is shit expensive because people pay it tickets, GPU or cars it all works the same as long people are willing to pay it will stay that way.
mindstorm8191
Yeah. Prices will continue to go up until the People as a whole stop...
Buying.
It.
Jandegrote
Yeah what people tolerate is beyond me when GPU prices were at an all time high and people still paid ungodly amounts from scalpers and then complained after like you are part of the problem.
DarthTaz0
Fuck Ticketmaster. I paid $66.60 for Ozzfest back in the day and those were all day events.
kittykit17009000
I was there too, in Alpine Valley, Wisconsin
Escheron
While Ticketmaster is likely one of the causes, this screencap is from StubHub. So don't forget to give them their face share of outrage
theskepticinme
97 Ozzfest $40. Ozzy, Tool, Megadeth, Sevendust. And about 8 other bands across two stages.
PineappleLoopsBroether
I was at Ozzfest 2001 2nd row center for $70. Rob Zombie pointed at me and stood on my seat.
ilhares
I don't think the original Lollapalooza tickets cost us anything near that even.
ChippinStrata
Was like $50
IceWeaselX
Blew my mind that Ticketmaster has "resellers" except those resellers' tickets are sold on Ticketmaster's own site. So the tickets get marked up by the "middleman" that may or may not actually exist.
mjperk
What the actual fuck. I shouldn't be surprised.
SavageDrums
Guess who owns the reseller companies?
69Voltage
Any artist that fucks its fans like that can suck it
Don’t care who you are, I’m not dropping that much
Awlyah
Its probably not the band, its most likely Ticketmaster or similar service that does this.
69Voltage
I’m sure but haven’t other artists ensured such companies don’t do this? The band could exert some force if they wanted to. Just remember Napster
Awlyah
Sometimes the bands don't have a choice even if they wanted to personally voice against it. Some are locked into contracts they sign and then get a bait and switch, its extremely common. Our company only dealt with warner music contracts and, its most likely a lawyer/middle man making the decisions and not the band. And the band doesn't get more money for it. I recommend reading Walking Disaster by Deryck Whibley and Simon & Schuster and Mark Hoppus Flight 183.
69Voltage
Thanks
Awlyah
Np, also upvoted you. You didn't deserve negative points for asking honest questions. Just wanted to be helpful. Like most things like this, its complex.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
ilhares
I wouldn't spend that much to have young Debbie Harry sit on my face and wiggle, I sure as hell wouldn't do it for this declining band.
dynamojoe
Fuuuck. I saw Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions, and Van Halen back in ‘88 for $25 (about $70 in today’s dollars). If a seat’s worth that much money, someone else is sitting in it.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
ParaspriteHugger
"i just want to rent the seat, not buy it"
kittykit17009000
I remember paying $6 cover charge in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at a local night club in 1986 to see Metallica
TunnelRat13
Back when they were worth seeing.
yamsonyamsonyams
86? With cliff?
That’s awesome. Can you extract your memories of thst show and share them?
kittykit17009000
Yes
PutItInNeutral
Hell, you probably could have sat with them and had a beer with them back then.
circlebreaker
Squeeked in under the wire then, if they sucked ass any harder, their fans would bust a nut listening to every album from the last 35+ years.
drhobotron
Are you sure it wasn't 85? In 86 they were touring with Ozzy, playing large venues. ref: I saw them at Pine Knob in July 86.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
taez555
The fact that this show will still sell out, while I'm selling things on ebay for $10 each to just make ends meet, really shows the catastrophic disconnect in our society.
SarcasticComment
you wouldn't be shocked these things are announced at tax return day to suck up the "poor person bad with money" crowd
boxbackknitties
I’ve seen several shows at that venue. The casino generally comps unsold tix to club members/big spenders, etc, then writes the loss off or whatever shenanigans.
theAught
Whats that link, you got any cool 80s stuff?
Toecutteris
Credit cards are a hell of a thing/noose/anchor. They need to die in a fire.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
YuckFuMaga
That was my immediate thought. We got tickets to see them at the sphere next year for a package of 2 concerts and 3 night hotel for just under 2700.00 bucks.
FormerGloriousGuyWhoCameBack
Oh hell naw! They tried to sue me back in the day because I had downloaded a techno remix of Nothing Else Matters off of Napster. At that point, I had every single album they'd recorded and a bootleg of an early live show. I had been a superfan up until I got a letter from their attorney. They can get bent.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
ilhares
Yup. Fuck'em. They made the cardinal sin of attacking their fanbase like greedy cunts who forgot what music is about.
NaughtButOne
No they didn't. Not a single lawsuit was filed against individuals by Metallica. They sued *Napster*, which was an incorporated business that had collected millions of dollars in investment capital by leveraging their popularity as a platform for sharing other peoples' IP without permission. The most they did was name individual offenders to Napster and demand their accounts be closed.
Later on, the RIAA started going after individuals over many different artists, but that's not Metallica.
Tarmaccian
RIAA is Metallica, and RIAA is also every other band that signs a contract with the member companies.
Part of the standard contract is that the members cross-license each others’ works (with only a promise that _someday_ they’ll count usage and pay royalties), and that the band’s work is otherwise excluded from all outside publication.
In other words, once a band signs, their art is inseparable from RIAA, and the artists themselves are indentured.
NaughtButOne
Misleading. RIAA works with labels, not bands. My point was that the lawsuits were not initiated by Metallica. One, they came many years after the whole Napster thing, and two, Metallica has no control over the larger RIAA organization. Metallica, as a band, only sought legal action against explicitly Napster-the-business, that was illegally profiting from and using their work to fundraise. Literally no different than AI firms using stolen IP to create their products today.
TunnelRat13
You wouldn't download a succulent Chinese meal.
azombieontheinternet
I did it just to spite you, and now my Ethernet port is clogged with General Tso's.
Kemi337
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1mZYQUWfqaBQNu8uxUx30nejiL8vLDZBusA&s
Hatlled
You can download a succulent Chinese meal. You can also upload the remains to the bathroom.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
lol fuck metallica, 4th rate band
OlympicPenguin
Metallica will always be one of my favourites... just for the music though not anything they have done or stand for. Sad to see this given where they started as a garage thrash band. I would love to watch them but for maybe $100 not th8s insanity
EricAirheart
4th is too kind
circlebreaker
CodingMoose
I've only listened to Metallica & San Francisco Symphony, never Metallica by itself
BikeTrailsAndWaggingTails
Sounds like you're a fairly new listener. If you liked Metallica & San Francisco Symphony, you might like Metallica by themselves. For me, Metallica has fizzled out and their music doesn't quite have the same feel as before.
FortifiedWhine
Kinda happens when you are multi-millionaires. The fire is long gone. Like, 25 years gone...
TheVoidWhoStaresBack
I'm still mad about Napster
samwyze
Damn right! I can keep holding this grudge for another 25 years.
bro02tc
You lost the children with this comment
TheVoidWhoStaresBack
bro02tc
Hell yes haha
odoitau
https://youtu.be/LeKX2bNP7QM?si=MWDDZQ-GPaH-kyRS
TheVoidWhoStaresBack
Lol
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
NervousAstronaut
Eh, not really. They suck in many other ways, but not their music.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Metallica is awesome, Lars is a cock holster and I will pirate everything he does out of sheer spite, even if it's trash, just so he has to see those pirate numbers.
Does pirating hurt artists? Absolutely. Does it hurt them nearly as much as Spotify or Pandora or Amazon Music bullshit does today? Hell nah. Pirates bought merch and tickets and most the ones I knew, if they actually liked the art, they bought the thing as well. Pirating was the online version of headphones at the store.
lightfoot2
Yeah, 40 bucks to see the Dead in the 80's with Sting. Fuck this.
NunyaBizness
Moody Blues circa 1968, maybe .. I was pretty stoned
treefrog
Yah, but also streaming services didn’t exist and an artist made money off selling records. Now it’s chump change.
CyberWizard252
I saw The Ramones and Teenage Head in 1991 in a venue so small you could walk up and get punched in the face by the band. Maybe 40 people in the pit and another 50 in the crowd. Couldn't have been more than $10 to get in.
Notoom
$200 got me The Funeral Portrait, Sleep Theory, I Prevail, and Three Days Grace in one night.
ChromePlatedEquator
I saw the Dead Kennedys and George Thorogood for $5 in a dive bar in DC.
ChippinStrata
I saw NoFX and Face to Face at CBGBs in New York for less than $20 in the early 90s. Train was about the same price. Fugazi was $6!
ZachGlickman
I feel like GDTS mail order was cheaper. What sucked was you didn't get tix before they went on sale at Ticket Master so sometimes you had to double dip and with the fees, TM was pricier. I loved when there'd be a line of Heads and Filene's (GFox or something at the time) lines up on a Saturday AM when the tweens and moms showed up to shop at Limited/GAP/etc and were visually disturbed by what they saw (and sometimes smelled ) lol
MostAwesomeDan
I paid a 10th of this price for nearly floor seats to see Metallica in Charlotte for the Death Magnetic tour back in late '09. This is fucking criminal.
phoenix071
This screenshot is from a resale site, so it's not face value
boxbackknitties
I randomly put old stubs on the fridge b/c they’re cool. My kids say stuff like “What the heck? The dead in ‘92 were $27.50? What happened?!” At the time, that was a price hike, too.
lightfoot2
Yeah, ticketron. Remember when you would wait at Sears?
boxbackknitties
Sam Goody, Macy's gift wrap, or Sears were the regular ticket spots near where I grew up. Yeah, Pearl Jam went to war in the 90's with ticketron...didn't seem like it did much good then, and scalpers, resellers, and price gougers are still ruining things for fans. Fuck 'em.
boxbackknitties
Just went and looked and I lied, ‘94 was $27.50, my ‘92 tix were $18.50 or $23.50.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Last time I saw the Dead I think I paid 8 bucks.
subparsubpoena
You must've been Grateful 'bout that!
SpoonOfDoom
Last time I saw the Dead was when I lived next to a cemetery
RetrogradeLlama
Ok, grandpa.
(I saw the Stones for eight dollars).
DdCno1
Is your hip replacement still working fine?
RetrogradeLlama
DdCno1
What was it like to watch this film on the big screen? (Serious question, by the way.)
CandyPlanetJumper
$40 in 1985 is about $120 in today's dollar bucks.
sonnyburnet1986350
Dollery doos in Australia
Escheron
thats about what i paid for 2 tickets to my last concert (Bling Guardian)
TuckerCarlsonWarnedYouTheredBeGirlsLikeMe
Ok. I paid $120 for two floor seats to see Pearl Jam in 2010. $1,805 for one of the same tickets is still insane.
Somnophobe
$120 to see two acts at the height of their popularity vs. a minimum of 10 times that to see a group that crested about 30 years ago?
Gee, I wonder which is the better value?
magictouch
Bluey reference?
CandyPlanetJumper
Yeeeeep