Eh, over 60% of veterans voted for Trump in 2024. The majority of enlisted voters are Republican. The majority of cops (city/state/fed) are Republican. Not sure why you think that Trump voters aren't joining the military.
Plenty of MAGA supporters in the military already. I was told by a maga supporter he was voting for trump so I would get deported. This was in 2016 ish. He was white, im Mexican American, we were both serving in the military at the time. He became a sheriff for PA. I’m sure he’s doing great things for his white American.
A war is the perfect voter suppression. Send all the men over to die, which thins out the male voter pool. Meanwhile you work on ways to suppress women. You say you're trying to push "patriotic family values", so unwed women should have their votes discarded. Pretty much just old men get their votes counted.
Most military already lean into more conservative lines by geography alone. Frankly, if you want to take this stupid side just remember that you get to not fight because someone else chooses to do so. The military is part of the why and how of our country, like any other first world country. Perhaps you should tone down your holier than thou rhetoric?
To be fair, they DID vote for candidates that campaigned on "no new wars." They're fucking morons if they believed that line of bullshit, but in THEORY the platform they voted for wasn't "war in Iran." Even Fox News is only reporting 1 in 4 Americans approving of the strikes.
At my renfair last year I did see a probably high-school aged girl in a trump shirt. She stopped and listened to my music and tipped, but like I considered stopping my song and telling her where to shove that tip. I just assumed the poor girl is probably brainwashed and very likely abused so I let it go.
No one in MAGA voted to go to war, Trump ran on getting out of wars. But in fairness, lets not pretend it would have been meaningfully different under Kamela, both parties have been in the pocket of Israel for a long time now, and Israel knows they had to take this action now because they're quickly losing support in the US from younger people in both parties that will take over in a few years.
Let's not pretend that Netanyahu operates the same with Democrats at the helm vs. the most openly despotic, craven dunce that we've ever had hold the office. The authoritarians wait for moments like the ones we're living in to take away rights, steal territory and murder innocents. It's not a coincidence that it's happening now.
I will remind you that the current war in Gaza started in 2023 under Biden. They may change their tactics or timelines, but the results are largely the same. It's also worth noting that the Israels military action has wide multipartisan support in their country, even the main opposition leader opposing Netanyahu stated that "We are all united on the operation" just the other day and has made similar statements for the last 2+ years regarding Israels military actions.
Ironically they've been gutting the pay and benifts of soliders for solid decade now. It used to be a solid path to the middle class. You could do your 20 years and come out with a pension. (assuming you survived)
Thing is - and I've no interest in defending these nazis - but one of the tent poles of their movements (apart from worshiping cheetolini) is isolationism
Yes, they're all about to reprogram themselves into neo-conservatives to prop up the justification for the war
But one of their primary tenants was getting the US out of forever wars - it's one of the 'gateway' beliefs they pull in victims with
Would not be the first goalpost they moved. The only real constant is that it's bad when democrats do it, but perfectly good if they do it, whatever *it* may be. Like starting another war in the middle east, or shitting your pants live on TV.
That's the part I don't understand. The one thing that just about everyone in his cult could agree on was that forever wars were dumb and that they should stop. And now his angriest supporters with random militia-for-fun training and weapons caches are seeing this. And there's nothing about armed rebellion or assassination attempts.
And they'd go to hell and back defending this weird curve ball, as long as it doesn't actually affect their own lives (at least no in any way they're able to recognize)
Yeah but they'll be fine with that curve. There will be a lot of "I'm a big Trump fan but this troubles me" style posts in all the usual places... and then they'll go back to loudly supporting him. Because honestly, what other choice do they have?
They can't change their mind, for the same reason that people in cults can't just leave even when the leader says that aliens didn't actually build Stonehenge but instead killed the dinosaurs: By that point you're so invested, so trapped, and have probably burned so many bridges to the outside world, you have to accept any nonsense presented, because otherwise... what's left?
No one else lets them be openly hateful towards LGBT+, women, or people of color so OBVIOUSLY they're forced to support something they dislike, like killing people of color. /sarcasm They'll just pretend to be against it because they know that war isnt currently popular and they are able to barely to mimic caring about it.
what if.....now hear me out. We brainwash ICE to collect and deport to the countries we strike ,his supporters who don't go to war for him? I dunno they seem pretty gullible
Except the majority of the country is against him, so we're the ones he will want to have rounded up first. It would take forever to get so far down the list of domestic enemies before he reaches his own supporters who have lost complete faith.
freshthrowaway1138
Eh, over 60% of veterans voted for Trump in 2024. The majority of enlisted voters are Republican. The majority of cops (city/state/fed) are Republican. Not sure why you think that Trump voters aren't joining the military.
ilovebigmutts
Why would they do that when they can be domestic terrorists...
owlstretcher
The Army won't take you if you can't do a 150lb deadlift, do some pushups, and run two miles. Your MAGA voters can't do that.
FlaskandStein
something tells me army standards will be lowered soon
OhIfIMust
"I'd join up, but I wouldn't be able to hold back from kicking the DI's ass."
yamsonyamsonyams
Wonder if they will offer enlistment as a “get out of ice detention” card, like how Russia does to prisoners…
GiraffeMoonPilot6
Plenty of MAGA supporters in the military already.
I was told by a maga supporter he was voting for trump so I would get deported. This was in 2016 ish. He was white, im Mexican American, we were both serving in the military at the time.
He became a sheriff for PA. I’m sure he’s doing great things for his white American.
sadurdaynight
A war is the perfect voter suppression. Send all the men over to die, which thins out the male voter pool. Meanwhile you work on ways to suppress women. You say you're trying to push "patriotic family values", so unwed women should have their votes discarded. Pretty much just old men get their votes counted.
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Subsound
He wasnt mentally stable enough for military service, and even he knows it well enough to have never tried
dirtcreature
Most military already lean into more conservative lines by geography alone. Frankly, if you want to take this stupid side just remember that you get to not fight because someone else chooses to do so. The military is part of the why and how of our country, like any other first world country. Perhaps you should tone down your holier than thou rhetoric?
LazyUsername99
To be fair, they DID vote for candidates that campaigned on "no new wars." They're fucking morons if they believed that line of bullshit, but in THEORY the platform they voted for wasn't "war in Iran." Even Fox News is only reporting 1 in 4 Americans approving of the strikes.
lozeldatkm
At my renfair last year I did see a probably high-school aged girl in a trump shirt. She stopped and listened to my music and tipped, but like I considered stopping my song and telling her where to shove that tip. I just assumed the poor girl is probably brainwashed and very likely abused so I let it go.
LargeMonty
It's like a worse version of religion apparently.
lozeldatkm
at least she tipped...
cbale2000
No one in MAGA voted to go to war, Trump ran on getting out of wars. But in fairness, lets not pretend it would have been meaningfully different under Kamela, both parties have been in the pocket of Israel for a long time now, and Israel knows they had to take this action now because they're quickly losing support in the US from younger people in both parties that will take over in a few years.
StewedTomaters
Let's not pretend that Netanyahu operates the same with Democrats at the helm vs. the most openly despotic, craven dunce that we've ever had hold the office. The authoritarians wait for moments like the ones we're living in to take away rights, steal territory and murder innocents. It's not a coincidence that it's happening now.
cbale2000
I will remind you that the current war in Gaza started in 2023 under Biden. They may change their tactics or timelines, but the results are largely the same.
It's also worth noting that the Israels military action has wide multipartisan support in their country, even the main opposition leader opposing Netanyahu stated that "We are all united on the operation" just the other day and has made similar statements for the last 2+ years regarding Israels military actions.
Potatomanbynight
Well, the 17-18 year olds didnt vote for it but... I get what youre saying
FlaskandStein
Touche
Clockworkdancerobot
But the rich want to make everyone so desperate for food, shelter, and a life they will gladly sign their lives away in the next forever war.
MrNardtastic
Always have
Grimmrog
works in russia, works in the usa. hence why trump ruins the economy for the regular people.
ilikepot8os
Ironically they've been gutting the pay and benifts of soliders for solid decade now. It used to be a solid path to the middle class. You could do your 20 years and come out with a pension. (assuming you survived)
MADhouse64
Bone spurs are probably hereditary
Garwoodxx
Draft Baron Trump (as an enlisted grunt rifleman)
W0lfsbl00d
He will never have to fight, work a real day, or struggle a moment of his life.
Spiderbubble
Draft him for sewage processing. Through his mouth.
flightstosaturn
https://www.draftbarrontrump.com
Baconlovesyoutoo
Draft Barron and potato peeler becomes a combat position.
n0n53n53
Turns out bone spurs are hereditary
Immycatsdad
GratuaCuun
Thing is - and I've no interest in defending these nazis - but one of the tent poles of their movements (apart from worshiping cheetolini) is isolationism
Yes, they're all about to reprogram themselves into neo-conservatives to prop up the justification for the war
But one of their primary tenants was getting the US out of forever wars - it's one of the 'gateway' beliefs they pull in victims with
And Trump just threw them one wicked-ass curve
Jrosh
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WhatzitTooya
Would not be the first goalpost they moved. The only real constant is that it's bad when democrats do it, but perfectly good if they do it, whatever *it* may be. Like starting another war in the middle east, or shitting your pants live on TV.
lordmogul
I wouldn't mind some US isolationism, sadly those guys are starting at the wrong end.
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
That's the part I don't understand. The one thing that just about everyone in his cult could agree on was that forever wars were dumb and that they should stop. And now his angriest supporters with random militia-for-fun training and weapons caches are seeing this. And there's nothing about armed rebellion or assassination attempts.
tentacularfleshscape
Tenets* :)
CubMasterMark
Tennets
Furrybutnotfurry
And they'd go to hell and back defending this weird curve ball, as long as it doesn't actually affect their own lives (at least no in any way they're able to recognize)
AnonymousBach
Yeah but they'll be fine with that curve. There will be a lot of "I'm a big Trump fan but this troubles me" style posts in all the usual places... and then they'll go back to loudly supporting him. Because honestly, what other choice do they have?
LeMegachonk
Have they considered... changing their minds? Seriously, that's always an option when you realize you're wrong, people.
AnonymousBach
They can't change their mind, for the same reason that people in cults can't just leave even when the leader says that aliens didn't actually build Stonehenge but instead killed the dinosaurs: By that point you're so invested, so trapped, and have probably burned so many bridges to the outside world, you have to accept any nonsense presented, because otherwise... what's left?
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
No one else lets them be openly hateful towards LGBT+, women, or people of color so OBVIOUSLY they're forced to support something they dislike, like killing people of color. /sarcasm They'll just pretend to be against it because they know that war isnt currently popular and they are able to barely to mimic caring about it.
FlaskandStein
They would bend to meet whatever curve he threw at them, no matter how far
GratuaCuun
As I said, they're about to brainwash themselves to justify this
The thing is - this wildly incompatible action is gonna cause chaos withing their movement as the isolationists freak out
Broder MAGA will survive as long as Trump does - but a sizeable schism is in the offing
Either way it'll be fun to watch
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FlaskandStein
what if.....now hear me out. We brainwash ICE to collect and deport to the countries we strike ,his supporters who don't go to war for him? I dunno they seem pretty gullible
LurkMasterP
Except the majority of the country is against him, so we're the ones he will want to have rounded up first. It would take forever to get so far down the list of domestic enemies before he reaches his own supporters who have lost complete faith.