4940 pts ยท April 24, 2017
Bro is names Waluigi
I've learn recently that Cuomo's one of Netanyahu defense lawyer
Damn, I wonder why he keeps repeating he's white and want a unified country. I hope the interview asks him if he would vote differently if he could. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't
Yup, you can leave, but the buildings, the market, the workers, will stay anyway
And talented too ! He's very good not only on the content, but on the form as well.
Capital flight is a bullshit threat by the rich. If they wanted to live in bumbfuck nowhere with 0 taxes they could do it right now. They live in NYC because they want to live there, simple as that
Interpreted implies misunderstanding or miscommunication. The medias knows what they're doing when they're conflating attacking Israel and antisemitism. They don't care. They don't care about actual antisemitism either. They just want to weaponize its accusation as a way to defend Israel
The guy from the Incredibles ?
"The 2021 police budget went from $434.5m to $292.9m and some of the funds were invested into housing, healthcare, family and mental health services. But city leaders reversed course and increased the police budget to $443m the following year." You could read past the title too.
Since you've ended on name calling and accusation of intention, I'll give you what I think too. You think I care about what fascist think yet you don't seem to actually care about the issues being solved, to me you're just a useful idiot to them. You don't actually care about Palestinians, you care about using them for online clout.
I'm curious where you get your idea that the police budget decrease. According to this article, 83% of police budgets have increased: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971In this one, the police budget of Austin Texas increased by 8% of the city budget in one year: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/may/24/defund-police-movement-austin-seattleYou would know that if you actually cared about defund the police
I've talked about it in another comment, but I'm once again sincerely asking: what good came out of the Defund the police slogan ? The only consequences I saw was a some police budget increase, the exact opposite of what was argued for. So excuse me if I care about fighting a fucking genocide more efficiently than that. Again, I'm responding to a comment who doesn't argue for the efficiency of the "Kill the IDF" comment, but who just complains that they have to do more than being provocative
I guess that's fair that those budget increase could have passed without the bolstering of the Defund the police backlash. I don't think they would have been that widespread, but I see where you're comming from. I fully agree with your last comment, but I don't believe that applies here. The left is already combative on those issues, and this slogan would only isolate us from more widespread support. This is genocide we're talking about, we can't allow ourselves to be bad at fighting it
Yup, I remember someone who argued it wasn't a genocide because it wasn't over yet. As if the term is only reserved for scholars studying the past
Poisoning the well even more ? Painting the activists as bloodthirsty instead of humanitarian ? Legitimizing using the state against them even more ? I'm not saying we're in a good position right now, I'm saying this doesn't help
They pretend I'm arguing about rudeness towards genociders instead of efficiency of strategy yet I'm the one being disingenuous when I'm comparing one fash group to another ? Yeah right.If people were arguing that this strategy would be effeicient this would be one thing, but the fact that they can't even engage with that proves to me they don't actually care about solving the issue, just about using it to be popular online.
I'm sorry, is it the only bad thing we can fight against ? Are we supposed to let them gain power and only oppose them once they can't be stopped ?Also, you could fairly argue they've started / tried to initiate a genocide against trans people, they have oppened what's essentially a concentration camp against migrants at gitmo, they're currently leading one of the largest deportation in history...But I think the fact you don't even engage with the question kinda prove my point. Optics matter
I'm sincerely curious if you've seen some good come out of that materially, I can't honestly think of anything meaningful. I guess one could argue it was a moral victory ? But it isn't worth much in my eyes. Let me know if you can think of something, I'm willing to listen. 2/2
I mean we can disagree on that, but we've seen it completly dropped, we've seen Mamdani distance himself from it in the NY race (even tho he still defends the idea behind it of distributing some of the police responsabilities to socials workers when appropriate), we've seen close to nothing come out of it (no police department has actually been defunded, at least that I know of) and the backlash has actually helped pass multiple police budget increase in several cities. 1/2
Ok genuine question: Do you think it would be advantageous to call for the death of Republicans ? Of ICE ? Of Trump ? All of these groups have done and are still doing monstrous things, but would that help the cause in your eyes ?It has nothing to respecting them, it's about being efficient in your fight against them. You can disagree with me that's fine, bur painting me as a genocide supporter to avoid the conversation is putting your head in the sand to avoid engaging with the issue
Have you seen the shitshow that became the "Defund the police" slogan ? It poisoned the well on any discussion regarding the police for the past few years, because of accusations that activists / politicians want to live in lawless society instead of what was intended of it, being a rethink of the role of police in society. This kind of slogan calling for blood is a goldmine for bad faith actors to turn the less politically engaged population against us.
I'm not agains the chant because I would be for the genocide of Palestinians, I'm against it because I think it harms our ability to fight it.
To some extent I guess I agree, but I still think if this get widespread it'll still do more harm than good.
I still think we should be mindful if we want to be efficient rather than shooting us in the foot for no other reason than to be provocative. Have a nice night too.
Still not a reason to give them free ammo. Again, no one who's not already agreeing with us will respond positivily to this slogan. But a whole lot of people will be swayed the other way by how it's portrayed. And while yes, they'll try to twist it, it's much harder to twist a "Free Palestine" slogan than a "Kill the IDF" slogan.Your argument isn't that it's not bad optics, it's that we shouldn't care about optics. Well I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this is what politic is about
I don't agree when you say slogan don't do that much. We still see every fucking fash complaining about defund the police on tv 24/7, even tho no fucking police defunding ever happened, and it's fairly effective anti leftist propaganda. Do you think that "Death to the IDF" will help in any way regarding the Gaza situation ? Do you think anyone who wasn't already on your side will join you because of it ?Also, it's absurd to compare the reach of a random comment to a clip of a popular singer
Yeah I'm sure they're gonna paint the nuanced interpretation when you'll see it on Fox 24/7. You'll really get to understand how the author really meant that we should push for institutionnal changes to hopefully reach peace in the middle east and end the current genocide.I'm sure that's how this story will play out. That's what happened with Defund the police too if I recall correctly, and that's why people who used it like Mamdani still stand by it today too.
And ? Maybe picking dumbfuck slogans that make acting against the genocide harder shouldn't be a thing too ? This kind of slogan helps Israel defenders, my comment is that I'm tired of pseudo leftist being too dumb to realise it. The only aim of these kinds of slogans is to create a buzz around you, not to actually do something about the issue.
Every time you got a bad slogan on the left you always have those stupid "oh no the slogan doesn't actually means what it means, let me intellectualize what is clearly something else out of it". Death to the IDF means death to the IDF, not whatever the last comment is doing a fanfic about.It's yet another stupid slogan because it's just an easy target from the Israel defenders to point at, they're not gona miss the opportunity. It's discouraging how the left never learns when it comes to optic
I'm gonna explain a last time, I don't think there'll be much worth responding another time. I never denied the links between AIPAC and the military industrial complex. It's a big thing with many bastards involved.The last image of this post is just the JQ. The Jewish Question. The nazi theory that a cabal of jews control the government. That's what I'm arguing against. That's what you are, intentionaly or not, defending.
Bro is names Waluigi
I've learn recently that Cuomo's one of Netanyahu defense lawyer
Damn, I wonder why he keeps repeating he's white and want a unified country. I hope the interview asks him if he would vote differently if he could. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't
Yup, you can leave, but the buildings, the market, the workers, will stay anyway
And talented too ! He's very good not only on the content, but on the form as well.
Capital flight is a bullshit threat by the rich. If they wanted to live in bumbfuck nowhere with 0 taxes they could do it right now. They live in NYC because they want to live there, simple as that
Interpreted implies misunderstanding or miscommunication. The medias knows what they're doing when they're conflating attacking Israel and antisemitism. They don't care. They don't care about actual antisemitism either. They just want to weaponize its accusation as a way to defend Israel
The guy from the Incredibles ?
"The 2021 police budget went from $434.5m to $292.9m and some of the funds were invested into housing, healthcare, family and mental health services. But city leaders reversed course and increased the police budget to $443m the following year." You could read past the title too.
Since you've ended on name calling and accusation of intention, I'll give you what I think too. You think I care about what fascist think yet you don't seem to actually care about the issues being solved, to me you're just a useful idiot to them. You don't actually care about Palestinians, you care about using them for online clout.
I'm curious where you get your idea that the police budget decrease. According to this article, 83% of police budgets have increased: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971
In this one, the police budget of Austin Texas increased by 8% of the city budget in one year: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/may/24/defund-police-movement-austin-seattle
You would know that if you actually cared about defund the police
I've talked about it in another comment, but I'm once again sincerely asking: what good came out of the Defund the police slogan ? The only consequences I saw was a some police budget increase, the exact opposite of what was argued for. So excuse me if I care about fighting a fucking genocide more efficiently than that. Again, I'm responding to a comment who doesn't argue for the efficiency of the "Kill the IDF" comment, but who just complains that they have to do more than being provocative
I guess that's fair that those budget increase could have passed without the bolstering of the Defund the police backlash. I don't think they would have been that widespread, but I see where you're comming from. I fully agree with your last comment, but I don't believe that applies here. The left is already combative on those issues, and this slogan would only isolate us from more widespread support. This is genocide we're talking about, we can't allow ourselves to be bad at fighting it
Yup, I remember someone who argued it wasn't a genocide because it wasn't over yet. As if the term is only reserved for scholars studying the past
Poisoning the well even more ? Painting the activists as bloodthirsty instead of humanitarian ? Legitimizing using the state against them even more ? I'm not saying we're in a good position right now, I'm saying this doesn't help
They pretend I'm arguing about rudeness towards genociders instead of efficiency of strategy yet I'm the one being disingenuous when I'm comparing one fash group to another ? Yeah right.
If people were arguing that this strategy would be effeicient this would be one thing, but the fact that they can't even engage with that proves to me they don't actually care about solving the issue, just about using it to be popular online.
I'm sorry, is it the only bad thing we can fight against ? Are we supposed to let them gain power and only oppose them once they can't be stopped ?
Also, you could fairly argue they've started / tried to initiate a genocide against trans people, they have oppened what's essentially a concentration camp against migrants at gitmo, they're currently leading one of the largest deportation in history...
But I think the fact you don't even engage with the question kinda prove my point. Optics matter
I'm sincerely curious if you've seen some good come out of that materially, I can't honestly think of anything meaningful. I guess one could argue it was a moral victory ? But it isn't worth much in my eyes. Let me know if you can think of something, I'm willing to listen. 2/2
I mean we can disagree on that, but we've seen it completly dropped, we've seen Mamdani distance himself from it in the NY race (even tho he still defends the idea behind it of distributing some of the police responsabilities to socials workers when appropriate), we've seen close to nothing come out of it (no police department has actually been defunded, at least that I know of) and the backlash has actually helped pass multiple police budget increase in several cities. 1/2
Ok genuine question: Do you think it would be advantageous to call for the death of Republicans ? Of ICE ? Of Trump ? All of these groups have done and are still doing monstrous things, but would that help the cause in your eyes ?
It has nothing to respecting them, it's about being efficient in your fight against them. You can disagree with me that's fine, bur painting me as a genocide supporter to avoid the conversation is putting your head in the sand to avoid engaging with the issue
Have you seen the shitshow that became the "Defund the police" slogan ? It poisoned the well on any discussion regarding the police for the past few years, because of accusations that activists / politicians want to live in lawless society instead of what was intended of it, being a rethink of the role of police in society. This kind of slogan calling for blood is a goldmine for bad faith actors to turn the less politically engaged population against us.
I'm not agains the chant because I would be for the genocide of Palestinians, I'm against it because I think it harms our ability to fight it.
To some extent I guess I agree, but I still think if this get widespread it'll still do more harm than good.
I still think we should be mindful if we want to be efficient rather than shooting us in the foot for no other reason than to be provocative. Have a nice night too.
Still not a reason to give them free ammo. Again, no one who's not already agreeing with us will respond positivily to this slogan. But a whole lot of people will be swayed the other way by how it's portrayed. And while yes, they'll try to twist it, it's much harder to twist a "Free Palestine" slogan than a "Kill the IDF" slogan.
Your argument isn't that it's not bad optics, it's that we shouldn't care about optics. Well I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this is what politic is about
I don't agree when you say slogan don't do that much. We still see every fucking fash complaining about defund the police on tv 24/7, even tho no fucking police defunding ever happened, and it's fairly effective anti leftist propaganda. Do you think that "Death to the IDF" will help in any way regarding the Gaza situation ? Do you think anyone who wasn't already on your side will join you because of it ?
Also, it's absurd to compare the reach of a random comment to a clip of a popular singer
Yeah I'm sure they're gonna paint the nuanced interpretation when you'll see it on Fox 24/7. You'll really get to understand how the author really meant that we should push for institutionnal changes to hopefully reach peace in the middle east and end the current genocide.
I'm sure that's how this story will play out. That's what happened with Defund the police too if I recall correctly, and that's why people who used it like Mamdani still stand by it today too.
And ? Maybe picking dumbfuck slogans that make acting against the genocide harder shouldn't be a thing too ? This kind of slogan helps Israel defenders, my comment is that I'm tired of pseudo leftist being too dumb to realise it. The only aim of these kinds of slogans is to create a buzz around you, not to actually do something about the issue.
Every time you got a bad slogan on the left you always have those stupid "oh no the slogan doesn't actually means what it means, let me intellectualize what is clearly something else out of it". Death to the IDF means death to the IDF, not whatever the last comment is doing a fanfic about.
It's yet another stupid slogan because it's just an easy target from the Israel defenders to point at, they're not gona miss the opportunity. It's discouraging how the left never learns when it comes to optic
I'm gonna explain a last time, I don't think there'll be much worth responding another time. I never denied the links between AIPAC and the military industrial complex. It's a big thing with many bastards involved.
The last image of this post is just the JQ. The Jewish Question. The nazi theory that a cabal of jews control the government. That's what I'm arguing against. That's what you are, intentionaly or not, defending.