21008 pts · November 23, 2015
And we voted to roid out the elephant and expect the donkey to save the vase.
Is the donkey still chained up?
Which is what the donkey was telling everyone before it happened so they would not let the elephant near the vase.But every time, they chain up the donkey, put the elephant next to the vase. And every time the donkey is blamed.
Yes, they are a good hunting ground. And so is any other social groups. From family, to sports, to scouts to Roblox. This isn't a matter of "Spreading the blame" but do not hyper focus on one culprit to the point you imply no others exist.A lot of religion talk is getting weirdly fundamentalist, where people are using the same mental framework to put religion in the same position as evangelicals put Satan.A thought terminating "This is the source of our problems, look no deeper" cliche
Perhaps I'm wrong and you wouldn't have. I'm making this assumption believing in people. Is your belief in people like yourself stronger than your belief in religion?
Would you have stepped in if you heard someone in your community?"I am an atheist, so me stepping in doesn't mean a religious community would have"were you always an atheist since birth, if not, do you think you would have stood back and watched until the very second you decided to change? If not, you know there are people in your community who wouldn't have stood back regardless of religious beliefs or not, because you would have done so regardless of where you were.
Mandela also died as an old man, but charlie Kirk died young. Lets not get superstitious
Wouldn’t taking people’s free will be evil in and of itself? Dont we have a million stories, movies, comics, novels and folktales about how that is bad?If neuralink allowed elon musk to control peoples minds and make them do what he wanted, would you happily bring back slavery if he sold it as “at least theres no chance anyone with this is molesting children”
Kids molested by family being told not to speak up is a social issue. Not a religious issue. It's been well researched that the most likely sexual offenders are family members -because- they can use the family social construct to pressure kids into keeping quiet. Don't say things that absolve the families by putting the blame on a religious community that most likely would have stepped in
Religion is like the sun, too much is bad for you, and some people use it to tan their buttholes.
Benefit of the doubt answer, but that's like asking a parent why they don't just tie their kids in a basement and feed them with IV drips instead of letting them poke each other in the back of a car. If your free will says that the solution is taking away people's agency, why should people be subject to your 'free will chosen' solution?Does that extend to humans v humans only or can humans no longer use their free will to kill mosquitoes, human cancer cells and viruses?
Shaq looking UP??-StoneGrinding.mp3-
"It's how we've always done things, our grandparents were doing it." Is not and should never be an excuse to ignore or downplay atrocities.I've seen that enough in religion, and people need to stop forgetting it happens even in casual conversation.
Too many people seem to be just saying "You're gonna have to vote for newsom" and I'm seeing how many people are adamant against it even after everything that I KNOW it's gonna lose if it comes to that.
There are way too many people who are already dissilusioned with 'middle ground politics' and who genuinely feel that 'lesser of the two evils' is what got us here in the first place. Are you willing to risk everything on the 'We promise to capitulate to republicans in advance' candidate?
All it took was people voting. So why did she refuse to do something that would get people voting?I'm seeing a lot of complaining that people didn't vote, but a lot of silence on 'why' they didn't vote and what could have been done to get that to happen?Complaining without giving solutions is one, thing, but all these people complaining while actively supressing and denying discussion of the solution just makes me suspicious.
"I don't care about the 50+ percent of people who voted for trump and who are currently still voting for this all across the country, It's the people who didn't vote who are to blame!"Like, who does that help? Either vote shaming works and you're doing it to the wrong people, or it doesn't work and you're just wasting your time or making it worse.
If she lost because people refused to vote for someone who embraces the Biden administration's stance on Gaza, wouldn't that mean all it took to stop all of this was one person not embracing the Biden administration's stance on Gaza?
Religion, Tradition, Laws, Social expectations, “I was just following orders”There is -NOTHING- religion brings to the table that doesn’t already and PREVALENTLY exist without it.Including making ostensibly ‘good’ people do bad things.
Then what about the modern ones?Is Semitism responsible for the atrocities in Gaza, or is it a convenient shield used by people committing atrocities?I don't blame anyone practicing Judaism for Netanyahu. Do you?
You're getting downvoted but this is true. There is nothing religion brings to the table that doesn't already and prevalently happen all around the world without it. Like the people deciding this are literally in the Epstein files, but Yeah. Blame religion in general, I'm sure that simple worldview is 100% correct and tyrants invoking religion as justification not a known method of distraction and deflection of responsibility in the eyes of their supporters and critics.
It's weird, cause I don't see other Christian countries like the UK, or Italy, or even Russia using that as an excuse.Just America We had 2 world wars and nobody needed god's permission before. Why all of a sudden?
That's because I'm not claiming that MAGA is pushing it. I'm claiming that there are alt right people influencing Atheists from their particular point of view, like Richard Dawkins, Jordan Peterson. Christopher Hitchens. Atheism still has a much lower rate of right wing conversion than Theism, but alt right is EVERYWHERE and these comments that blame all religions without empirical evidence and based on emotions and bias are textbook examples of those right wing dogwhistles in New Atheism
Okay, but you realize that youre not actually responding to “The right wing is giving you something to hate and youre accepting that with no self awareness. This is a known problem with New Atheism and why many Atheists distrust the movement”You’re currently trying to defend the act of hating and the act of blaming an “Other”Youre like the evangelical arguing mexicans are taking your jobs. Its the same mental framework adjusted to enforce your own biases.
This is true, but irrelevant. Im just telling people to be careful of a new alt right pipeline that uses religion in general as its designated scapegoat.The alt right doesn’t believe in anything so if they can get you by pointing your hate at religion they absolutely will.
You can look it up. If you think “This guy is criticizing atheism in general, not a specific right wing brand calling itself new atheism” then look up what new atheism is, who made it prominent and what theyve been pushing onto the world.
If you’re acting like every religion in the world is MAGA evangelicalism, then you haven’t wised up to anything. Youre just scapegoating in the exact same way the alt right pipeline does.Mexicans arent the source of crime and inequality in the US, neither is religion. But you are using the exact same mental framework for your preferred acceptable target.
Imgur, you should know that this comment chain is a textbook example of the worldview of the New Atheist movement, which is a known part of the Alt Right pipeline. Atheists may criticize or dislike religions they’ve personally had issues with, but promoting open antagonism and hostility to ALL religions is a New Atheism thing.Its all about blaming the world’s problems on a ‘believable’ ‘out group’ like trump with mexicans, or the klan with PoCDont fall for it.
I agree, but so many people idolize vengeance that they don't realize they're the ones trying to insist "Consequences for ones own actions" is vengeance.
Disco Elysium has fascist dialogue options that reduce your morale because it empties you out inside to create enemies out of your fellows that you're willing to hurt yourself long term to hurt in turn. A life of hate is not a happy life, nor is it one to be idolized or emulated.
And we voted to roid out the elephant and expect the donkey to save the vase.
Is the donkey still chained up?
Which is what the donkey was telling everyone before it happened so they would not let the elephant near the vase.
But every time, they chain up the donkey, put the elephant next to the vase. And every time the donkey is blamed.
Yes, they are a good hunting ground. And so is any other social groups. From family, to sports, to scouts to Roblox. This isn't a matter of "Spreading the blame" but do not hyper focus on one culprit to the point you imply no others exist.
A lot of religion talk is getting weirdly fundamentalist, where people are using the same mental framework to put religion in the same position as evangelicals put Satan.
A thought terminating "This is the source of our problems, look no deeper" cliche
Perhaps I'm wrong and you wouldn't have. I'm making this assumption believing in people. Is your belief in people like yourself stronger than your belief in religion?
Would you have stepped in if you heard someone in your community?
"I am an atheist, so me stepping in doesn't mean a religious community would have"
were you always an atheist since birth, if not, do you think you would have stood back and watched until the very second you decided to change? If not, you know there are people in your community who wouldn't have stood back regardless of religious beliefs or not, because you would have done so regardless of where you were.
Mandela also died as an old man, but charlie Kirk died young. Lets not get superstitious
Wouldn’t taking people’s free will be evil in and of itself? Dont we have a million stories, movies, comics, novels and folktales about how that is bad?
If neuralink allowed elon musk to control peoples minds and make them do what he wanted, would you happily bring back slavery if he sold it as “at least theres no chance anyone with this is molesting children”
Kids molested by family being told not to speak up is a social issue. Not a religious issue. It's been well researched that the most likely sexual offenders are family members -because- they can use the family social construct to pressure kids into keeping quiet.
Don't say things that absolve the families by putting the blame on a religious community that most likely would have stepped in
Religion is like the sun, too much is bad for you, and some people use it to tan their buttholes.
Benefit of the doubt answer, but that's like asking a parent why they don't just tie their kids in a basement and feed them with IV drips instead of letting them poke each other in the back of a car.
If your free will says that the solution is taking away people's agency, why should people be subject to your 'free will chosen' solution?
Does that extend to humans v humans only or can humans no longer use their free will to kill mosquitoes, human cancer cells and viruses?
Shaq looking UP??
-StoneGrinding.mp3-
"It's how we've always done things, our grandparents were doing it."
Is not and should never be an excuse to ignore or downplay atrocities.
I've seen that enough in religion, and people need to stop forgetting it happens even in casual conversation.
Too many people seem to be just saying "You're gonna have to vote for newsom" and I'm seeing how many people are adamant against it even after everything that I KNOW it's gonna lose if it comes to that.
There are way too many people who are already dissilusioned with 'middle ground politics' and who genuinely feel that 'lesser of the two evils' is what got us here in the first place. Are you willing to risk everything on the 'We promise to capitulate to republicans in advance' candidate?
All it took was people voting. So why did she refuse to do something that would get people voting?
I'm seeing a lot of complaining that people didn't vote, but a lot of silence on 'why' they didn't vote and what could have been done to get that to happen?
Complaining without giving solutions is one, thing, but all these people complaining while actively supressing and denying discussion of the solution just makes me suspicious.
"I don't care about the 50+ percent of people who voted for trump and who are currently still voting for this all across the country, It's the people who didn't vote who are to blame!"
Like, who does that help? Either vote shaming works and you're doing it to the wrong people, or it doesn't work and you're just wasting your time or making it worse.
If she lost because people refused to vote for someone who embraces the Biden administration's stance on Gaza,
wouldn't that mean all it took to stop all of this was one person not embracing the Biden administration's stance on Gaza?
Religion, Tradition, Laws, Social expectations, “I was just following orders”
There is -NOTHING- religion brings to the table that doesn’t already and PREVALENTLY exist without it.
Including making ostensibly ‘good’ people do bad things.
Then what about the modern ones?
Is Semitism responsible for the atrocities in Gaza, or is it a convenient shield used by people committing atrocities?
I don't blame anyone practicing Judaism for Netanyahu. Do you?
You're getting downvoted but this is true. There is nothing religion brings to the table that doesn't already and prevalently happen all around the world without it.
Like the people deciding this are literally in the Epstein files, but Yeah. Blame religion in general, I'm sure that simple worldview is 100% correct and tyrants invoking religion as justification not a known method of distraction and deflection of responsibility in the eyes of their supporters and critics.
It's weird, cause I don't see other Christian countries like the UK, or Italy, or even Russia using that as an excuse.
Just America
We had 2 world wars and nobody needed god's permission before. Why all of a sudden?
That's because I'm not claiming that MAGA is pushing it. I'm claiming that there are alt right people influencing Atheists from their particular point of view, like Richard Dawkins, Jordan Peterson. Christopher Hitchens.
Atheism still has a much lower rate of right wing conversion than Theism, but alt right is EVERYWHERE and these comments that blame all religions without empirical evidence and based on emotions and bias are textbook examples of those right wing dogwhistles in New Atheism
Okay, but you realize that youre not actually responding to “The right wing is giving you something to hate and youre accepting that with no self awareness. This is a known problem with New Atheism and why many Atheists distrust the movement”
You’re currently trying to defend the act of hating and the act of blaming an “Other”
Youre like the evangelical arguing mexicans are taking your jobs. Its the same mental framework adjusted to enforce your own biases.
This is true, but irrelevant. Im just telling people to be careful of a new alt right pipeline that uses religion in general as its designated scapegoat.
The alt right doesn’t believe in anything so if they can get you by pointing your hate at religion they absolutely will.
You can look it up. If you think “This guy is criticizing atheism in general, not a specific right wing brand calling itself new atheism” then look up what new atheism is, who made it prominent and what theyve been pushing onto the world.
If you’re acting like every religion in the world is MAGA evangelicalism, then you haven’t wised up to anything. Youre just scapegoating in the exact same way the alt right pipeline does.
Mexicans arent the source of crime and inequality in the US, neither is religion. But you are using the exact same mental framework for your preferred acceptable target.
Imgur, you should know that this comment chain is a textbook example of the worldview of the New Atheist movement, which is a known part of the Alt Right pipeline. Atheists may criticize or dislike religions they’ve personally had issues with, but promoting open antagonism and hostility to ALL religions is a New Atheism thing.
Its all about blaming the world’s problems on a ‘believable’ ‘out group’ like trump with mexicans, or the klan with PoC
Dont fall for it.
I agree, but so many people idolize vengeance that they don't realize they're the ones trying to insist "Consequences for ones own actions" is vengeance.
Disco Elysium has fascist dialogue options that reduce your morale because it empties you out inside to create enemies out of your fellows that you're willing to hurt yourself long term to hurt in turn. A life of hate is not a happy life, nor is it one to be idolized or emulated.