Tealas have replaced BMWs as the douchebag who can't drive car. If a tesla tries to cut me off or run me off the road (happens weekly to me) I genuinely don't know if the driver is a an idiot or the shitty car is doing something stupid and the driver just has to let it happen.
My experience with Teslas is if they're in the fast lane, they're being driven manually, because the autopilot is programmed to never drive in that lane
I actually worry about this with motorcycle riders. There's never going to be a self-driving motorcycle. So, motorcycle riders that want to be dicks can go around messing with self-driving cars.
I don't have a Tesla but the motorcycle riders got so close to my car at the stoplight they caused my car to turn off because of 360 degree monitoring and the car thought i was backing up.
I do this all the time. And especially Waymo. I have been teaching my daughter to drive here in SF and it's like, "you can always wait to merge when a Waymo is coming. They'll always let you in and never have road rage
Your traffic is insane!!! Amazing city! I'm teaching my youngest how to use four wheel drive in the deep snow. Happy New Year's from a North Dakotan :)
Yeah, everyone on the road needs to chill the fuck out. If someone is signalling a lane change, that's not asking, that's warning. Let them in, unless it's unsafe to do so.
I mean, I do, 90% of the time, but if you don't give me time to give you space/try to force/bully your way in (ESPECIALLY if you use no signal) you are being a dickhead as well.
Then I wonder whose car I'm driving and how I started it because their ain't no way in hell there would be kids in my car. And then I figure, since it's not my car, I'll cut them off twice as fast!
Hence "one of the million" things. Reading comprehension needs improvement. This is also far beyond AEB. Predictive modeling can even start braking before they cut into your lane.
But sure keep fighting tooth and nail against life saving technology just because the dude in charge sucks. That's what sane rational adults do 🙄
Lol When you are at fault for an injury accident, the insurance company will sue you and garnish your wages until it is paid off. I hope you have an umbrella liability insurance policy
If i am ahead of them and my signal is on and they are trying to cut me out, I find that the pretend i dont see you method works every time. Go ahead and hit my pos 10+ year old car.
I don’t drive like an asshole, so if I see a blinker, I’ll make room. I’ve got a couple hundred thousand miles under my belt though, so I’m also happy to freeze out pieces of shit
That's how I felt in Belgium in the 90s. Driver's tests *weren't a thing* until '77. In roundabouts, the people in it had to merge for those entering. Fucking ridiculous.
One thing I did appreciate when driving in Los Angeles was when someone turns on their turn signal you let them in because they're telling you what they're doing. They're not asking.
You (I) get a ding on a city street. Maybe a hit and run fender bender, maybe you turned to short in a lot and dinged a bollard. It's going to cost $1500 to fix. You have a $1000 deductible and you know insurance is going to jack rates, or at least your "perfect" discount is going away. So you decide to live with the ding. You keep the car for years and get a second ding. Before you know you've a 2008 mazda with 150k miles and people get out of your way when they see you. Testify my friend!
When you get tired of it leaking fluids, I’ll buy it for 1000 with 250k miles, and limp it to its grave, with constant drip IVs for coolant and oil. Either it stops passing emissions and can’t be registered, or the timing belt takes out the engine.
WA State got rid of emissions testing a few years ago. Hooray for progress, well until dipshit abolishes EPA rules and progressive states need to re-institute.
I saw a Tesla driver crash his car trying to cut into a right-turn lane at the very last second. Everyone else had patiently lined up for the turn lane 3 blocks ago like the overhead sign said. But no, not the Tesla driver. His car was faster than theirs, so he figured he had a right to wait until 20ft before the turn, then just cut into the lane. Didn't work out too well for him. The 4wd pickup he hit disabled his car. There were plenty of other witnesses, so I didn't wait around for the fire.
I have a Tesla and I usually merge ASAP, to the point most cars that were behind me end up in front because they want to get until the last second and push in. Assholes drive every kind of car, I suppose.
Comedic value, is all I could figure. Thought he saw a gap he could exploit, but the driver of the truck said, nah, not today dickhead, & pulled forward simultaneously. Tesla's rt front wheel folded up under the car which bounced back over to the left, blocking the thru-traffic lane while the right-turn lane remained clear so we all just went on about our business including the big pickup which apparently had minimal damage. I got a pretty good laugh out of it, anyway. Ha ha ha! See ya!
Yeah, never play chicken against a bigger vehicle. Even if they mean no harm, they might not even see you (I have a van and the visibility is not that great, tiny cars sometimes 'appear' out of blind corners).
It was also at a complete traffic bottleneck. There's no shoulder, just a guard rail. The commute train line intersects the roadway 4 or 5 meters behind them, so they were just barely past a RR crossing, with a freeway overpass abutment 20m ahead, no shoulder there either, just a guard rail separating traffic from a deep-mud tidal estuary. All in all, that's just a stupid place to push your testosterone agenda IMO. I was 2 cars back, going over the RR crossing. I had nowhere to pull over either.
Tesla drivers are the new BMW drivers I swear to god... Honestly I probable couldn't even call them "new" They are the same type of people that buy BMW for their brandname. To show off their affluence. Tesla's were just the new rich pompus jerkoff magnet that came with the added bonus of "I'm doing it for the enviorment because i'm better than you." humble brag.
That basically all boils down to how well we can reuse/recycle Lithium we harvest to extend its lifespan. Current Lithium recycling for power cells is capable of hitting 95-99% effeciency. Which is an insane return rate when you think about it. Does it always go that way? I doubt it. People improperly dispose of normal batteries all the time. Its bound to happen to Lithium ones as well. Just not as easily I suspect.
Yeah but in any case the point being, its another evil, and in this case the lesser one. Yes cobalt mining is pretty much an ecological disaster, tho there is progress in that department and newer batteries dont need it anymore. Drilling and refining oil (and the whole chain of transport involved) is still loads worse. So then it comes down to power production to charge those batteries, and theres a whole lot of choice there. All in all “but the batteries” is a pretty poor argument
There are SO many people sleeping in the turn only lanes that you can usually find a spot to cut in line, when someone who is distracted takes 3 seconds to start moving. But if you don't find that spot, then you don't get to make the turn, that's the risk you took and sometimes you gamble and lose.
Ooooooor….you wait in line. Like you’re suppose too. I get what you’re saying “well room for my car appeared because they were distracted! So I can just squeeze in” still not really how it’s suppose to work. It’s still his space even if it takes him 3 seconds to notice the line moved. You see a line of cars, that last car is where you go. Anything else is actually just being an entitled dick. This mentality is what’s making driving on the roads more and more unsafe and rage inducing these days.
I used to think that too, but it's just as entitled and dickish to keep everyone behind you waiting. Everyone wants to get to their destination. Pay attention, keep things moving, and if you don't? Then you gave up "your" spot. If you don't care enough to keep it, then you don't care if someone else uses it.
I'm OK with waiting in line if everyone is making a solid effort to keep that line moving. But that's not the case. If it were, those spots wouldn't open up as consistently as they do.
indeed - this is a semi-dcikish skill need for navigating most cities these days. but right you are: you take a risk in execution and if it fails, gotta figure it out otherwise. there's almost always "another route" to get where you want - even if it means turning around and a double back.
I'll be the dissenter here. I get in the lane I need to turn from well in advance. If you don't have emergency lights on your vehicle, I'll kill both of us before I let you in. You knew where you needed to turn, and you likely knew how long the line would be. Get in line like the rest of us.
sure; that works when the rest of the system works... but that you'll have idiot on their phone sitting a solid 3-5 count burning through the light. if you're going to drive: drive. that's it. no phone, don't be eating, etc. drive.
I'm no longer quite that aggressive about my own spots, but yeah, if you're keeping pace with the car in front then you're moving the line along, which is my whole point. People taking a quick nap on their commute home don't care about me when I use the space in front of them. If they did, they'd stay awake, like you. What you're saying is actually aligned with my thinking, just from the other side.
RetiredLaserMan
That's assuming it actually works.
pareidoliaperson
But the auto-break system on that car...may ALSO not let me cut them off.
gayvillian
Tealas have replaced BMWs as the douchebag who can't drive car. If a tesla tries to cut me off or run me off the road (happens weekly to me) I genuinely don't know if the driver is a an idiot or the shitty car is doing something stupid and the driver just has to let it happen.
BullittGT
Holy shit, I never thought about that! New skill unlocked!
QuartzPoker
My experience with Teslas is if they're in the fast lane, they're being driven manually, because the autopilot is programmed to never drive in that lane
allenvasher3000
So you're cutting off vehicles that will knowingly drive into fire trucks and barriers on the side of the road because oops they didn't notice them
sindail
igglebotato
That's placing a lot of faith in a system developed by the people who brought you "oops the doors don't work, guess you're dying in this fire"
sadurdaynight
I actually worry about this with motorcycle riders. There's never going to be a self-driving motorcycle. So, motorcycle riders that want to be dicks can go around messing with self-driving cars.
moomaid1
I don't have a Tesla but the motorcycle riders got so close to my car at the stoplight they caused my car to turn off because of 360 degree monitoring and the car thought i was backing up.
colderfish
I do this all the time. And especially Waymo. I have been teaching my daughter to drive here in SF and it's like, "you can always wait to merge when a Waymo is coming. They'll always let you in and never have road rage
CalvinMcFly
Your traffic is insane!!! Amazing city! I'm teaching my youngest how to use four wheel drive in the deep snow. Happy New Year's from a North Dakotan :)
TheJuiceLoosener
Yeah, everyone on the road needs to chill the fuck out. If someone is signalling a lane change, that's not asking, that's warning. Let them in, unless it's unsafe to do so.
HavelTh3Rock
I mean, I do, 90% of the time, but if you don't give me time to give you space/try to force/bully your way in (ESPECIALLY if you use no signal) you are being a dickhead as well.
DickTipPapercut
Tesla drivers around where I'm at are the absolute fucking worst drivers. Either 20 under or 20 over and no in-between.
UncleMartha
I have thrice seen dickheads in their teslas use the shoulder of an on-ramp to pass people who were stopped for metered merging.
rrlyrae
but, what if you're trying to cut off the tesla, and you have kids in your car?
ALTEFFFOUR
Then I wonder whose car I'm driving and how I started it because their ain't no way in hell there would be kids in my car. And then I figure, since it's not my car, I'll cut them off twice as fast!
mikeatike
Always check the back seat when stealing a car.
TheWhiteBarry
Morons laughing at one of the million things that make Tesla awesome. Haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♀️
DdCno1
Automatic breaking predates the first Tesla by many years.
TheWhiteBarry
Hence "one of the million" things. Reading comprehension needs improvement. This is also far beyond AEB. Predictive modeling can even start braking before they cut into your lane.
But sure keep fighting tooth and nail against life saving technology just because the dude in charge sucks. That's what sane rational adults do 🙄
newsguycraigevans
Oh damn. Haven't seen you in a while, which was nice while it lasted.
TheWhiteBarry
pleaseuseotherdoor
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TheWhiteBarry
Ok Lol. You guys have no idea what's going on. Stay ignorant ✌️
Scobragon
Aye, I wouldn't trust Tesla autobraking system.
WickedSludge
I drive an $800 car. I merge wherever TF I want 😄
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
06 dodge ram, with a huge steel bumper on both ends. Test me mother fuckers, see who loses.
0570
The more dents and damage, the more space people will give you
robertdoobies
I hear you but the person changing lanes will Always be at fault
dru2
Lol When you are at fault for an injury accident, the insurance company will sue you and garnish your wages until it is paid off. I hope you have an umbrella liability insurance policy
wylkyn
If i am ahead of them and my signal is on and they are trying to cut me out, I find that the pretend i dont see you method works every time. Go ahead and hit my pos 10+ year old car.
PMAW
The turn signal is a warning, not a request.
shardix
ItWasntSupposedToBeThisWay
My partner said I wasn't allowed to buy an old truck and replace the bumpers with railroad ties.
nosnowyno
Yep, I signal lane changes out of the goodness of my heart, to give you a heads-up. I’m not asking permission so pay attention.
WickedSludge
My blinker is a statement, not a question.
wadatahmydamie
I don’t drive like an asshole, so if I see a blinker, I’ll make room. I’ve got a couple hundred thousand miles under my belt though, so I’m also happy to freeze out pieces of shit
snailbait
Drive defensively. There are enough jerks on the road.
lpooptoomuch
I turn now, good luck everybody else.
charliechaplinslookalike
Are you from kelowna?
Hotcheesepanda
Same! Look at my car... Do you think I give a shit!?!?
theskepticinme
I can’t see your car
Hotcheesepanda
You know... Nor can I.
FingerPuppeteer
It's there. You really gotta squint. And yell "enhance, enhance!!!", and truly BELIEVE!!!!!!! Do you see it now?
theskepticinme
Goldensands
I drove in the US once. You couldn't pay me a car to do it again. Not for 5 minutes.
Niagaran
That's how I felt in Belgium in the 90s. Driver's tests *weren't a thing* until '77. In roundabouts, the people in it had to merge for those entering. Fucking ridiculous.
banderan
Okay I’ll bite. Where in the US did you drive?
Goldensands
NY, LA and various states in between (road tripped across). The driving is as asinine as the culture is self aggrandising.
thebigbaka
One thing I did appreciate when driving in Los Angeles was when someone turns on their turn signal you let them in because they're telling you what they're doing. They're not asking.
WickedSludge
I mean, I get it. But I can definitely think of worse countries to drive in
Goldensands
I spent 5 years backpacking about 50 countries. I can't. I'd rather hitch-hike across India.
WickedSludge
Fair enough. Everyone has their own experiences
Goldensands
Yes. Some have a grasp on reality and a sense or self. Others are american.
salunatics
You (I) get a ding on a city street. Maybe a hit and run fender bender, maybe you turned to short in a lot and dinged a bollard. It's going to cost $1500 to fix. You have a $1000 deductible and you know insurance is going to jack rates, or at least your "perfect" discount is going away. So you decide to live with the ding. You keep the car for years and get a second ding. Before you know you've a 2008 mazda with 150k miles and people get out of your way when they see you. Testify my friend!
wadatahmydamie
Sure. But you forgot to account for the legal costs and insurance rates
jaqque
2004 Corolla. 150+k miles. I fear no merge.
LeoFloof
Just traded in my 2011 Mazda (subfloor rusted out), and I miss her every day.
mikeatike
Yabba dabba do
DiracsDelta
When you get tired of it leaking fluids, I’ll buy it for 1000 with 250k miles, and limp it to its grave, with constant drip IVs for coolant and oil. Either it stops passing emissions and can’t be registered, or the timing belt takes out the engine.
salunatics
WA State got rid of emissions testing a few years ago. Hooray for progress, well until dipshit abolishes EPA rules and progressive states need to re-institute.
Sonicschilidogs
Passing emissions lol, just live in a shithole state (Kentucky) like I do, no need for worrying about your shit box passing any gubbament tests
casualgenderquestion2718
just like white Jesus intended
DiracsDelta
To be fair, when I say failing emissions, what I really mean is my catalytic converter uhh… fell off b
spontaneous9
I saw a Tesla driver crash his car trying to cut into a right-turn lane at the very last second.
Everyone else had patiently lined up for the turn lane 3 blocks ago like the overhead sign said. But no, not the Tesla driver. His car was faster than theirs, so he figured he had a right to wait until 20ft before the turn, then just cut into the lane. Didn't work out too well for him. The 4wd pickup he hit disabled his car.
There were plenty of other witnesses, so I didn't wait around for the fire.
ActualLazyEnhancedXenos
I have a Tesla and I usually merge ASAP, to the point most cars that were behind me end up in front because they want to get until the last second and push in. Assholes drive every kind of car, I suppose.
jesuisgur
Why did he hit a 4wd ? I don't get it, was it on purpose, or was it the fault of some brain-dead automaton in the car ?
spontaneous9
Comedic value, is all I could figure. Thought he saw a gap he could exploit, but the driver of the truck said, nah, not today dickhead, & pulled forward simultaneously. Tesla's rt front wheel folded up under the car which bounced back over to the left, blocking the thru-traffic lane while the right-turn lane remained clear so we all just went on about our business including the big pickup which apparently had minimal damage. I got a pretty good laugh out of it, anyway.
Ha ha ha! See ya!
jesuisgur
Yeah, never play chicken against a bigger vehicle. Even if they mean no harm, they might not even see you (I have a van and the visibility is not that great, tiny cars sometimes 'appear' out of blind corners).
spontaneous9
It was also at a complete traffic bottleneck. There's no shoulder, just a guard rail. The commute train line intersects the roadway 4 or 5 meters behind them, so they were just barely past a RR crossing, with a freeway overpass abutment 20m ahead, no shoulder there either, just a guard rail separating traffic from a deep-mud tidal estuary. All in all, that's just a stupid place to push your testosterone agenda IMO. I was 2 cars back, going over the RR crossing. I had nowhere to pull over either.
Elonth
Tesla drivers are the new BMW drivers I swear to god... Honestly I probable couldn't even call them "new" They are the same type of people that buy BMW for their brandname. To show off their affluence. Tesla's were just the new rich pompus jerkoff magnet that came with the added bonus of "I'm doing it for the enviorment because i'm better than you." humble brag.
antleroid
true, I’ve noticed teslas are now most likely to cut three lanes to catch an exit without signalling now. bmw’s remain the worst parkers, though.
BullittGT
They thought it was better for the environment till they found out the process to obtain the materials to build the battery.
Elonth
That basically all boils down to how well we can reuse/recycle Lithium we harvest to extend its lifespan. Current Lithium recycling for power cells is capable of hitting 95-99% effeciency. Which is an insane return rate when you think about it. Does it always go that way? I doubt it. People improperly dispose of normal batteries all the time. Its bound to happen to Lithium ones as well. Just not as easily I suspect.
Z0op
Yeah but in any case the point being, its another evil, and in this case the lesser one. Yes cobalt mining is pretty much an ecological disaster, tho there is progress in that department and newer batteries dont need it anymore.
Drilling and refining oil (and the whole chain of transport involved) is still loads worse.
So then it comes down to power production to charge those batteries, and theres a whole lot of choice there.
All in all “but the batteries” is a pretty poor argument
TomBrokaw
There are SO many people sleeping in the turn only lanes that you can usually find a spot to cut in line, when someone who is distracted takes 3 seconds to start moving. But if you don't find that spot, then you don't get to make the turn, that's the risk you took and sometimes you gamble and lose.
YellowMellowFellowlevel
Ooooooor….you wait in line. Like you’re suppose too. I get what you’re saying “well room for my car appeared because they were distracted! So I can just squeeze in” still not really how it’s suppose to work. It’s still his space even if it takes him 3 seconds to notice the line moved. You see a line of cars, that last car is where you go. Anything else is actually just being an entitled dick. This mentality is what’s making driving on the roads more and more unsafe and rage inducing these days.
TomBrokaw
I used to think that too, but it's just as entitled and dickish to keep everyone behind you waiting. Everyone wants to get to their destination. Pay attention, keep things moving, and if you don't? Then you gave up "your" spot. If you don't care enough to keep it, then you don't care if someone else uses it.
I'm OK with waiting in line if everyone is making a solid effort to keep that line moving. But that's not the case. If it were, those spots wouldn't open up as consistently as they do.
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
indeed - this is a semi-dcikish skill need for navigating most cities these days. but right you are: you take a risk in execution and if it fails, gotta figure it out otherwise. there's almost always "another route" to get where you want - even if it means turning around and a double back.
101Medic
I'll be the dissenter here. I get in the lane I need to turn from well in advance. If you don't have emergency lights on your vehicle, I'll kill both of us before I let you in. You knew where you needed to turn, and you likely knew how long the line would be. Get in line like the rest of us.
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
sure; that works when the rest of the system works... but that you'll have idiot on their phone sitting a solid 3-5 count burning through the light. if you're going to drive: drive. that's it. no phone, don't be eating, etc. drive.
TomBrokaw
I'm no longer quite that aggressive about my own spots, but yeah, if you're keeping pace with the car in front then you're moving the line along, which is my whole point. People taking a quick nap on their commute home don't care about me when I use the space in front of them. If they did, they'd stay awake, like you. What you're saying is actually aligned with my thinking, just from the other side.
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
indeed- if all drivers just "drove," and drove well/properly/predicatively, then there would be none of this other BS