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Idrinkforevil
Why would the president care about this? he is too worried abour Russiagate
Kayayayaya
You say local police "just watching" @OP, but I watched one of them lay a baton on the back of one of those guys.
ComradeSillyOtter
I contacted my representatives about it.
AngusThermopyle
Well that footage sure angries up the blood. Love the baton work from the DC PD!
WookieWookieWookie
I still say he should have aimed for that fuckers skull.
Snuffdigit
I'm sure trump will get right on protecting people's right to protest.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
The Washington PD were not "just watching" they didn't expect dozens of Turkish security to attack the protesters in the USA
Winndypops
Now, as terrible an act as this is the Police certainly did not just watch. They should have done more but were caught off guard.
jayar1st
They were between a rock and a hard place.
HailToUltron
Erdogan needs to die for turning Turkey into a piece of shit. Sadly Trump can't stop slobbering strongman dictator cock.
m053486
Here's where the rest of Trump's "tough guy" and "America first" facades crumble entirely. Not even an impotent and ultimately empty rant?
Shendorion
"Just watching" my ass. The video I saw showed one cop fight off three bodyguards, and then stand over their victim until they retreated.
stabbedintheface
Is this where we get tired of winning?
Evanrudeplz
Took Trump less thn a day to cry about his continued troubles with investigators in the Russia probe. Still nothing from him about this.
TargaryenLoyalist
That's because unless it affects him personally, he couldn't give a shit. The only person Trump cares about is Trump.
whothehellareyouanyway
He probably doesn't even know this happened. Was this event covered on Fox & Friends?
RadissonFireDerpartment
Honestly. Why the fuck are we allied with the Turks? They should be bounced right the fuck out of NATO before they fuck it up for everyone
Pazuzu4All
Airbases and spy work make them strategically valuable. We either stay friends with a rising tyrant or lose power. Sucks, doesn't it?
RadissonFireDerpartment
True, but they are beginning to be more trouble than they are worth.
ostepopp
Turkey should not be a part of NATO, and dear god, not a part of the EU.
WookieWookieWookie
Turkey is like the barbaric planet I'm a star trek episode that wants to join the federation but they're too fucked up and three federation
WookieWookieWookie
People just leave them to implode.
KingORedLions
They won't be a part of the EU any time soon, so no worries on that score.
DocEZ
Turkey just wants to relive its Ottoman Empire days again
whothehellareyouanyway
Yeah. It's not like the US uses Turkish air bases to fly sorties against ISIS. Oh... wait...
SexualConsent
KEBAB REMOVAL IS NEED?
Ivain
The one thing this assures is that Erdogan will NOT be returning to the US. If he does, there will be such protests as to blot out the sun.
TheJokeWrecker
August 21, 2017
Snarknado4
The he will turk in the shade
wellju
If that were true, people would go protest now. Why wait for being attacked again? You not even gonna vote out congress this year. but tweet
stew9703
hes not here in america anymore
fluhatinrapper
Wish it were true, but probably not. Most people only get behind their keyboards....
TwoBitFortuneTeller
What about you?
fluhatinrapper
100% stay behind my keyboard. I volunteer with at risk yiuth and donate, but little to no civil disobedience.
Terminology
Why do you think he'll care?
Soldaten1
To think this is what Turkish people have to put up with every day...
CommanderWilliamTRiker
American citizens being beaten by foreign nationals on American soil. Mr President, where is your outrage? Cunt.
billburrwalderama
Erdogan is one of his role models
DocEZ
Trump doesn't seem like the type of guy to care about protesters getting beat up
TargaryenLoyalist
It's worse than just not caring: He praised the Chinese government's actions during the Tiananmen Square massacre as "a show of strength."
ThatAssholeOverThere
He only cares when it's a Mexican committing the crime
GavinScreaming
Idk why anyone would think Trump would ever side with protesters. He's shown he distain for them numerous times.
IHaveANeedForSpeed
Because protestors tend to mock him and call for his wife to be raped?
mmurrbles
Where is your outrage Nancy Pelosi. Mrs minority leader of the house? She's a cunt too right? Or maybe none of them give a fuck.
GiantRobotsRule
What power does the minority leader have? Sorry, but now that the GOP is in charge, trying to blame Democrats for GOP inaction doesn't fly
mmurrbles
Are you joking she doesn't have the power of speech or representation? Woah maybe her job is to represent her constituents.
GiantRobotsRule
Her constituents? Did this happen in DC or SF? And, be honest, which of the 435 reps deserve criticism here more than the President?
lazyamerican
Why not? Blaming gop for inaction when dems held house and Senate was standard procedure when Obama took office.
GiantRobotsRule
Did the Democrats, when in charge, fail to act appropriately when American protestors on American soil by Turkish or other foreign guards?
GiantRobotsRule
*were attacked
revooms
If I upvote am I pro-protester-beating?
Obi1thejedi
If I upvote am I a pro-pro-protester-beating?
xdvgx
Don't strain yourself trying to figure out if your upvote is ethical
BrontTheGoodBoy
I think you're upvoting the idea, not the content. "OP thinks this is wrong, and I agree!" = your upvote.
FawkesSake
Wait... is that NOT what we're upvoting?
BIZaGoten
Serious or joking? lol
RocknOats
Where do I upvote the Prostate beatings now?
ImWonderingIfIllEverGetMyOwnUsername
Well I'm anti-protester-beating but pro-prostate-beating..
Mouthhug
Depends on the protestor... and the prostate.
ImWonderingIfIllEverGetMyOwnUsername
#AllProstatesMadeEqual
dschuma
#notallprostates
Blackheartedsilphy
You know, under most circumstances...this could be viewed as an act of war. Official agents of a foreign country attacking citizens?
wellju
That's how US embassy employees act everywhere since forever.
whothehellareyouanyway
Exactly. If we prosecute them, then the US had better not ever send any diplomatic personnel anywhere in the world ever again ever.
erwten
when has US diplomatic personal attacked protesters without physical provocation?
wellju
Around embassies and airports all day every day. Just not so extensive and primitive as the Turks.
erwten
That's not even close to this though
erwten
when has US diplomatic personal attacked protesters without physical provocation?
Defecakes
I mean, the police did a lot in terms of trying to break up the fight. And there is only so much they are allowed to do to the Turkish 1/2
Katalliaan
Yeah, like arresting two protestors.
Defecakes
Security. Imagine if a secret service officer got arrested overseas. Regardless of the reason it wouldn't end well. 2/2
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
If an SS agent unjustly attacked a foreign citizen, he would've been arrested, with little chance of extradition. Erdogan's body guards-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
should've been arrested and should be held with no extradition. This wasn't a snafu, this was felony assault.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Yeah, they'd throw the agent in jail.
FindYourChillMate
Yeh it might force them to actually not be cunts. The horror.
TraceofSpades
What makes you think the secret service are cunts? The only one I know personally is a great dude.
FindYourChillMate
Im talking about the turkish guys that beat protesters.
TraceofSpades
OH. My bad. Misunderstood.
1CDiaz
How the FUCK does this happen to AMERICANS, on US soul, by a foreign government, why is nobody in our government outraged by this
1CDiaz
I would expect all the racists and patriots of here to be up in arms
TheLeftPocket
Or maybe everyone should be mad because this a blatant overstep by a violent regime.
1CDiaz
Yea that too lol
alchemist23
Seeing how a dick(tator) Erdogan is, it won't be surprising if Trump sides with him
PoliticalWanderer
You have a typo there. It should be spelled dicktaker. Nothing wrong with that, Erdogan just shouldn't pretend to be something he's not.
ThisIsGod
Trump called him to congratulate him on passing laws that will make him a dictator.
probablyobvious
Coming from a Canadian. You guys ok down there? This look like a freaking mess.
demosthenes89
Na man, we're pretty far from OK.
probablyobvious
Need a beer bud? It's on me
CrazyCatLad
Do y'all need any CAD modelers? I like hockey (I play street hockey) and the cold.
probablyobvious
Well I do work for and engineering company. But I don't think we are looking atm. Sorry man
GavinScreaming
How much nurses make up there? Asking for a friend
probablyobvious
Pm me, I will ask a couple nursing friends
TraceofSpades
We're fine. The news is over sensationalized. By and large everything is mostly the same as it ever was.
demosthenes89
There are lots of things on the edge of going very badly. We are in a powder keg moment. Don't be complacent cause it hasn't blown yet.
TraceofSpades
Such as?
demosthenes89
Jeff Sessions wants to go back to 1985 style policing and drug policies that destroy lives to feed the prison industrial complex.
demosthenes89
Our coastal cities are about to start regularly flooding Katrina style due to climate change.
TraceofSpades
All of these things are serious. But ro say that any of them would be catastrophic if they went the wrong way is exaggerated. I in no way 1
demosthenes89
The migrant crisis has created a global climate of fear that allows right wing extremism to flourish and breed conflict.
demosthenes89
The flow of unlimited anonymous cash into politics has ensured that our representatives are bought and paid for by special interests.
demosthenes89
Voting restrictions and gerrymandering have disenfranchised millions of voters, undermining our entire electoral system.
demosthenes89
Our health care system is collapsing into chaos and millions of people are going to start dying if we can agree on a way to fix it.
WookieWookieWookie
I'm much more concerned with the fcc trying to give isps the power to fuck us over. This country is going to hell, but not in the way the
WookieWookieWookie
News wants to cover.
TraceofSpades
Not to belittle the issue, I am concerned with the future of the internet, but it's very much a first world problem you know? Like the 1
TraceofSpades
Comment implies the United States is on the verge of breakdown. And I just think that's an exaggerated sentiment I've been seeing a lot. 2
probablyobvious
I don't know about that. You literally have foreign government agents beating Americans on US soil. Doesn't seem over sensationalized to me.
TraceofSpades
Sure. And that's a problem. But I don't think this a regular occurrence that will fly under the radar. It's not like there are U.S. 1
TraceofSpades
Never gets addressed that's a problem. A big one. But it's not a "the whole country is crumbling" problem. It's an isolated incident. 3
TraceofSpades
Officials condoning the action. I'm not going to fault an administration for being slow and deliberate with a sensitive anomaly, and if it 2
probablyobvious
If it happened here I would hope my government would politely but firmly tell the ambassador get out in short order.
unicornbbq
I don't know what's more embarrassing. The fact that this happened or that the media hasn't covered this at all
Quipman
Most interesting video I have seen from this "event" https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/865331533955162112
CitizenDickbag
This was front-page news in all the major media outlets. Let me guess: you don't read major media b/c you think it sucks, then complain that
CitizenDickbag
2/ things aren't covered by them b/c you didn't see it...
AVoiceOfReason
https://i.gyazo.com/10aea3a9115c626aeb9a64ab393d8f8c.png No. You're an idiot.
yoshi
both
Imgurkoff69
Wait for the President to say something, then the media will be reactionary and try to paint it in a bad light. That's what the propaganda-
Imgurkoff69
machine is for. Trump is angry at this? "TRUMP HATES MUSLIMS!" Trump brushes it off? "TRUMP HATES AMERICA".
LoudBirb
Half the media. The other half, will try to paint it in a good light. And some, will simply what happened and that this is the second time.
ThisIsGod
It has. I've seen it, there just isn't a bigger story there because Trump isn't weighing in on it.
BrianBoyko
It's also that Trump is facing calls for impeachment. Yes, it's a big story. It's part of a larger story, though.
graboids
The fact that he's not weighing in on it should be news.
ThisIsGod
I'm not saying it shouldn't, but there are bigger stories and Trump is stealing the show. If it's not Trump related, the media doesn't care.
Ivain
I dont know how its not trump related, the guards of the guy he invited to the white house assaulted protestors without cause.
ThisIsGod
He's personally not involved, as in, he wasn't on the scene and has said nothing about it.
Mcmcman
Idk what ou mean by bigger, but the certainly aren't more important. People just care more about trump
UncleThursday
The MEDIA cares more about Trump. The Mainstream Media, especially, because they hate him so much. They'd rather talk about how many 1/
whothehellareyouanyway
Diplomatic Immunity
Mithi
Does not mean they can't be taken down if they attack someone. DI only means they can't be prosecuted afterwards.
azgrak
Guaranteed no one in our government has the courage to bring Erdrogans thugs to justice.
NR97420
There are at least three levels of diplomatic immunity.
NR97420
And this act, for these men, unless they were very specific individuals, just doesn't apply. Even his bodyguards.
Skywatcher16
ended the moment they crossed the street, leaving embassy soil. only the actual embassador has it outside that domain.
bigdaddyfatpants
sqlyoda
http://imgur.com/G0eSrpi
whothehellareyouanyway
https://media4.giphy.com/media/HggxGlGAWFkbK/giphy.gif?response_id=591eb11809604835a02a2b7e
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
...has just been revoked!
whothehellareyouanyway
Oh. Someone just posted that gif! :-)
AwesomeName
Doesn't look very diplomatic to me.
Moonhoof
No such thing. He can still be asked politely to GTFO and never come back.
whothehellareyouanyway
There's "no such thing" as diplomatic immunity??? Really???
Moonhoof
Yes - Really. Read the followup comment and stop acting like a child.
whothehellareyouanyway
https://www.state.gov/m/ds/c9127.htm - So... the State Department posted this information by accident?
Moonhoof
Still ignoring the followup I see. Those blinders sure help a mature argument...
NR97420
Wrong. Not for this act. Note: that does not mean anything will come of this. But that is because of politics and Trump being a li'l bitch.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
That's not how immunity works. It's a protection from prosecution, and isn't dependent on how bad shit is. Otherwise, you'd see fake >
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Charges and shit that would interfere with the purpose.
NR97420
The point being, police can "not charge them" because, well, they don't have to so that with wealthy, connected Americans, either.
NR97420
No, the various levels of immunity do, in fact, depend upon what is done and where. Immunity is not a blanket that cloaks everyone working
NR97420
For international leadership. These individuals MAY be protected as part of his inner entourage and personal security. They may not be
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Security forces are generally covered in the second level of privilege, which includes exemption from criminal jurisdiction.
Moonhoof
Also the Turkish government can be pressured to waive the immunity if the alternative is a really crummy relationship with the US.
whothehellareyouanyway
They could. but considering Trump was the first and only Head of State to congratulate Erdogan on his contested election victory - doubt it.
Moonhoof
It's all about pressure and end goals. If this reflects poorly on him, he can flip flip in an instant. It's happened many times before.
adjacentmountain
So hammer you cant sue. Can't touch this dun na na
Baconmac1234
Only the ambassador and head of state has full diplomatic immunity. The bodyguards have a lesser kind. They can be arrested and prosecuted
twozerooz
Bzzzt. Wrong.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Nope.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
Ambassador, head of state... And entourage. They arrested two of them but had to release them due to dipshit immunity fuckery.
whothehellareyouanyway
The State Department website seems to disagree with you. So I guess they must be wrong.
NR97420
Ah, yes. I wonder what other government websites say? No Flynn ties to Turkey? No global warming/climate change? No EPA or DEQ?
StankyPankySammich
Hmm that's totally different though. Those guys allegedly broke those laws. If the law says you can't prosecute, you can't prosecute.
StankyPankySammich
Lol I love that people are downvoting you then up voting the dipshit reply. Only on imgur can you give factual evidence on law and have>>
Agandau
He didn't read his own source. Try page 6: staff of the mission have full immunity.
StankyPankySammich
Haha you got down votes for truth. Sad world.
StankyPankySammich
>> people say "nah man, I don't like that so it's not true"
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
Claiming the state department says something and it actually saying something are two separate things, I'll trust the guy who links to it.
Baconmac1234
Does it? https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/150546.pdf
twozerooz
Uhh your link just disproved you. Good job.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
....that says they're subject to civil but not criminal jurisdiction. So, still the thing.
Perkunas687
Good info!
Fuuunnky
Watch the video, theyre basicly beating up americans in washington, kicking them in faces and the police is just watching lol..
abundantbadgers
Apparently they all had guns too. I'd imagine they wouldn't have thought twice to kill US citizens AND the cops who tried to stop them.
abundantbadgers
If the president had any fucking balls he would've arrested all of them and sent Erdogan home by himself.
whothehellareyouanyway
Yes. I know. I saw it. The reason is... wait for it... they have this thing called.... DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY.
HeyOP
1) They can still be identified and ejected from the nation, their immunity revoked. Whether or not that will actually happens probably
HeyOP
"Whether or not that will actually happens" hurts, man.
whothehellareyouanyway
There is no "whether or not". It will not happen. Period. They have immunity. Trump loves Erdogan. Sorry. Just stating facts.
HeyOP
2) depends on whether or not enough of the american public becomes outraged over the incident. Considering the ccurrent political climate,
HeyOP
3) I doubt it'll gain much traction.
whothehellareyouanyway
That could happen, but won't. Listen, I'm not defending these guys. What they did was shitty. I'm just saying they do have immunity. Sorry.
HeyOP
No need to apologize to me. I'm not who you seem think I am. We're basically in agreement, I just thought you missed important details.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
They left. They were gone by morning. Can't eject people who aren't here.
HeyOP
You can bar their return easily enough, though.
Humdrumdergifan
They're all back at home now. Turkey will not extradite.
tanebou
Why would they, word was that Dumbfuck ordered his men to attack the protesters.
ermo75
Just like the American soldiers that murdered 100k+ people in wars based on made up reasons/lies.
LizardEnterprises
No, but we could fucking bomb them
leighlovesbooks
Or, we could... not escalate?
LizardEnterprises
Americans were attacked on American soil by agents of a foreign government. Its a fucking declaration of war. Its not about "escalation"
ClaudeWicked
I think there's a pretty clear difference between a some security guards beating people, and actually shooting someone.
LizardEnterprises
The difference is that they got pulled off before they could *actually* kill them. The intent was clear. Deadly intent deserves repayment.
leighlovesbooks
No, a declaration of war is a declaration of war.
LizardEnterprises
When armed forces in another states employ attack American civilians in American territory, a written declaration is redundant.
notwhatyourthinking
Source? If that's the final word then that is ridiculous
Humdrumdergifan
No source. Just common sense. A country won't even extradite identify thieves. What makes you think they'll extradite a guard?
Humdrumdergifan
Refer back to this post in 6 months. We'll see what ACTUALLY happened to the body guards by then. I bet NOTHING.
UnluckyLunkhead
They have ambitions to join the EU and stay in NATO. They don't want to be the next Libya.
TwoBitFortuneTeller
No source, but states a hunch as fact
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
They can charge them at home. That's the typical procedure for this crap
Jewbacca21
Turkey is infamous for silencing protestors and journalist. They'll charge them with a pat on the back
Trimule
Are you serious? Erdogan is seen in his car on the scene speaking to a man who then gives orders for the assault to begin-you are joking!
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
No, I'm not joking. I'm pointing out typical procedure, which the State Department asked Turkey to follow.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
At no point did I make a comment on how likely I thought it was to happen.
youlovemeyouhateme
The state dept wrote a strongly worded letter. Thanks guys. Appreciate the prompt response.
HerelnDuckburg
Kind of like the police response to Antifa...
blessedarethecheesemakers
JoeBobBriggs
This is why Trump gave the Kurds weapons.
breakingcode
*gasp*
LudeJaw
And it wasnt even Tillerson. It was his second in command.
notwhatyourthinking
This is how a country handles it, if turkey does respond appropriately only then I would ask for a stronger response .
eetsumkaus
you mean DOESN'T respond appropriately?
notwhatyourthinking
Yes my bad.
Tamedsquall
A response doesn't mean handled. Let's see if anything actually happens.
ThisIsGod
I'm glad the US government handles attacks against its citizens like my grand father handles newspaper articles that he disagrees with.
deathbywahinipanther
QuirkyWallace
I'm not on the side of Erdogan and his cronies, but I'm afraid in international politics a strongly worded letter is considered enough 1/2
QuirkyWallace
It sucks, I know, but it's better than no action which is common. If Turkey admits responsibility it'll be a win. Don't expect an apology2/2
Ferrumkit
Perhaps you can state an option without sparking an international incident going further? Diplomacy starts it, then escalation if needed.
LuciusAelius
Ok, here's the problem with Turkey at the moment. We know that it is run by a strongman who is extremely sensitive to criticism. 1/many
Ferrumkit
Bingo. The regional issues and the leverage that Turkey plays in that area are too pivotal to go to sanctions or create hostilities.
LuciusAelius
However, we also would like access to their airfields to fight ISIS (Israeli airfields are often too far away). So anything more than a 2/?
LuciusAelius
strongly worded letter puts us at risk of losing access to much of our ability to successfully defeat ISIS (air power is huge for the US)3/?
schr610
Was it not Turkey that sparked the incident? Americans have every right to peacefully protest on our land as permitted by our Constitution >
Ferrumkit
It's not a question of fault, right now it's a question of what action to follow through with. There are rules we are following before force
Ferrumkit
You also skirted the question of "What options should we take"
schr610
< if a diplomat or country can't handle that then do not hold an embassy in our or male yourself vulnerable to Americans in the USA.
schr610
*make
SexualConsent
"Oh, bad Turkey. Attacking our citizens because they don't agree with you. Don't do that again. Have you learned you lesson?"
BrassXD
What exactly do you recommend? Going on a damn crusade?
WithPride
A crusade is what they deserve. Those fuck buckets.
FrigginCornflakes
Mack1986
Deus vult mother fucker. Let's spear us some kebabs
crustyblankets
Ultimately Christianity lost the crusades so... If the travel ban added Turkey maybe it'd be enforced?
SexualConsent
Yes. REMOVE KEBAB
ComradeSillyOtter
You know, now that you mention it..
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
They have diplomatic immunity, and they went back to Turkey. What do you suggest we do to people we can't prosecute?
Hilaritybomber
They don't have diplomatic immunity, they were here to protect Erdogan and he want present at the time. And even so, immunity doesn't cover>
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
That is a currently contentious point - there are arguments that the security team aren't covered, but it appears that they are.
Hilaritybomber
< violence
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Yes it does. It covers prosecution by the host country, period.
AVoiceOfReason
Do you want us to nuke Turkey?
youlovemeyouhateme
Of course not, but according to reports I've read, the Turkish security had similar dustups in 2016 & 2014 with protesters and journalists
WithPride
Telling them to get the fuck out and laying criminal charges would be the first step to reason.
SepiaSkies
Uh. Why would that be the obvious step above a strongly worded letter? I think you're maybe wanting to straw man here.
KittensGivePaarthurnaxGas
Since the nukes are already there it's just a matter of detonating. But please no nukes. Just finally grow a pair and stand up for something
youlovemeyouhateme
Maybe we need a security detail on their security detail, or don't allow them to visit at all.
Threewisemen
Jail and prosecute, the same as anyone else would get.
Sprixxen
Then we need to change the laws to say that. As of now we can't. It should be a lesson learned and we should change the way we view immunity
Sprixxen
So I agree, that would be justice, but our justice system is based on laws that are fallible. We use experience to make it better.
Sprixxen
(For the future. The past is done)
EVilMOnkEY55
Diplomatic Immunity.
Possiblyendemic
His bodyguards have no such immunity.
Threewisemen
Or is that just too logical?
Conflict
You have to remember the administration we are dealing with here. Under no previous administration would this have happened.
themuttonisniceandlean
The local police were not "just watching." They were trying to protect the protesters without it turning into a gun fight. Watch the video.
runlolorun
Naw fuck that, those police didn't do shit!
MariusVentus
A shame too. A Gunfight would have taught those bastards a lesson. This is 'Murica. When did our children/elderly/pets stop having guns?
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Cops did what they could, OP making big statements here
Toderdj
Source please.
Toderdj
Nevermind I'm a dumbass. Didn't realize Twitter did videos.
LoZCollector
Turn it into a gunfight. I DARE them. Turkey's thugs attacking US citizens with authority of their president. In another time this'd be war.
AllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
They also arrested the protesters and let the thugs go.
plzwhateverisokforme
Watched it. Saw a lots of incompetence.
AndyBiz10
you might want to watch the video yourself, they didn't help the situation, as you can see one of them beating the shit out of someones back
jayar1st
He was defending a protestor from Turkish Security.
XaiaX
They should've killed them. Foreign nationals attacking US citizens on US soil. They should all have been killed.
Thekingofbeans
The Netherlands had a SWAT team surround these assholes with their weapons drawn. Diplomacy doesn't come before your people.
Thorbane
Seriously? Source?
Thekingofbeans
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6bsp0d/how_the_netherlands_responded_to_erdogans_thugs/
Danteet
People who have never been in that kind of situation won't get it. Same people who want CCP holders to shoot the embassy guards.
beartato
Yea you can actually some of cops beating the Turkish guys. And a cop goes "I don't fucking believe this" as the Turks rushed the protesters
Seanspeed
I literally saw cops hitting protesters and securing them on the ground like they were the guilty party. Why are you being upvoted?
ISeeAppropriatelyAgedNipple
While I acknowledge that the cops were trying to protect Americans, I didn't see one suit go down, or in handcuffs. Especially after 0:21
SugarSocks
They have diplomatic immunity. The cops can't touch the suits
RHFiesling
they are all part of the Diplomatic mission. The cops simply have no jurisdiction. That´s a really shitty reality but a reality nonetheless
ISeeAppropriatelyAgedNipple
If this is a diplomatic mission, then where is the ambassador?!
RHFiesling
inside of course. Diplomatic mission includes the Janiator of the Embassy too.
ISeeAppropriatelyAgedNipple
I...It was a joke...
Trecares
Two of the suits were arrested. They were released later. They all are back in Turkey now. It's up to State to sort it out.
Grizzlebeez
They were hitting Americans...
mvp84
Fuck them.
RHFiesling
yes they were.
Jrhoney
If there was anytime to escalate it into a gunfight, that was the time. Foreign security is choking out Americans on US soil. Fuck 'em.
MithrilKid
Nah thats when you start whippin out them batons and tasers you start beating fools you start shockin em like their bugs in a zapper
MithrilKid
fuck guns get pepper spray my man cops gotta lotta shit to fight us they got a lotta shit to defend us too
Ferrumkit
And what about the diplomats in Turkey? and the Mil personnel there? There's a reason that the state dept is going a diplomatic route first.
keillrandor
What State Department? :P :-/ :(
Ferrumkit
https://www.state.gov/ These folks, AKA damage control department, especially when lending to international affairs.
keillrandor
I was referring to the fact that Trump has gutted the department ;)
InfraredSnapper
What would have happened is the Capitol police would have been outgunned and there would be deaths and Erdogan's guys would've been sent >
InfraredSnapper
back to Turkey and greeted as heroes.
Danteet
I don't know why you're being downvoted. This is exactly what would have happened.
supersomatic
If nobody died, they did the right thing. If it escalated to a gun fight people would have died. Is that the desired outcome?
ImSorryFriend
Your argument supports accepting subjugation instead of defending freedom. Maybe you believe in that, Idk, but it's worth pointing out.
supersomatic
The counter argument would support endangering others for ones own, personal values. That's worth pointing out too.
Jrhoney
If.
KeeleonOhms
It would be nice if Trump had this guy arrested for assaulting a US cutizen to start.
PPIIBBSS
Well, considering cops kill people for routine traffic stops daily, yes it would have been nice to see some actual justified use of force
CaptainAmerica24
cite your source
Silveringback
What a bunch of shit.
suydamtheman
I don't think people are understanding the massive political implications here
RHFiesling
no they really don´t. Kudos to those cops. They did the best they are allowed to do.
suydamtheman
Yeah that is not being said enough. They did an excellent job de-escalating the situation.
Danteet
Not even that, but it would've been a bloodbath for all who were there. It's not like they wouldn't have shot back.
Danteet
I see so many people bashing CCP holders because they didn't pull out their guns and shoot embassy guards. Shit makes no sense.
sauronsvisine
This was in DC. (basically) No CCW in the city. On my side of the river, different story.
michonnedisapproves
I think I need this explaining. If you feared for your life wouldn't it be justified? After all cops get away with worse
xrufus7x
Feeling your own life or someone else's is a legitimate reason to draw but not always the best option. Drawing on armed bodyguards 1/2
xrufus7x
2/2 surrounded by armed cops in a crowd of unarmed civilians is a good way to get a lot of people hurt or killed.
DJThuglifeSupreme
If this happened in Texas there would literally be shots fired
six187
Then there would be bodies instead of bloody noses, would that really be a better outcome?
YouCantHaveMyHouse
If one of them was Erdogan, most likely it would be.
bobtheaxolotl
Probably if it happened in Texas the outcome would be identical.
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themuttonisniceandlean
I don't think Texas cops want to accidentally shoot innocents either, but I think some would have at least drawn a weapon.
missing7
No, see, the people in Texas are armed. Not just the cops.
JuliusPepperwoodFromChicago
Those suits were all packing heat. That's why the cops didn't pull their guns. Can't have a gun fight break out in a crowd of people.
DirtyWizardsBrew
Don't mess with Texas...
InfraredSnapper
That's just one of the reasons why foreign diplomats don't start shit in Texas.
yoozernaiym
Isn't this the first time this has happened? Meaning foreign diplomats haven't started shit in any of the 50 states
imbitteraboutit
Actually second... the last time Erdogan was here.
InfraredSnapper
I'm sure they have, but this was organized and under orders from senior diplomatic staff, so it was in effect done by Turkey as a state.
yoozernaiym
You aren't wrong, but I think you misunderstood me. It's silly to say they don't mess with TX when it hasn't happened in other states either
DJThuglifeSupreme
I feel like that's just good manners when visiting though
DJThuglifeSupreme
Not starting shit*
Danteet
I totally thought you were saying shooting at people were good manners.
DJThuglifeSupreme
I realized that right after I hit "post" >_<
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Are there a lot of foreign diplomats wandering around Texas?
Naiirita
Yes
Naiirita
Houston alone has more than 10. http://www.sos.state.tx.us/border/intlprotocol/embassies/
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Huh. I guess it makes sense - large population centers in pretty much the middle of the country.
UncleAlbert
That woman in purple got fucked up by three guys and then proceeded to get kicked on the floor while passed out.
surfingangel
She ain't american. lol. She's doing her propaganda.
TheLeftPocket
Shes not American so fuck her. A true American attitude.
EmmyCee
Purple?
icebalm
Ground. Kicked on the ground. Floors are constructed.
Sokonomi
And that merry band of retards lives in Europeans back yard.. Please nuke them on thanksgiving, so we can all enjoy some cooked turkey.
michonnedisapproves
My blood is boiling watching that video. Cunts
WallaWallaWashington
That's how they do things outside of America
idiotn00b
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time
TheLeftPocket
Peaceful protest isn't a crime you dumbass
superiorninja
What? Which woman are you talking about?
momemes
goddangit that's some next level don't give a shit about your citizens there
MaxieMooo
how can people be so fucking disgusting. People ganging up on pedestrians laying on the floor need to get fucked up by some rougher people
billburrwalderama
Fucking cavemen
MaxieMooo
wouldn't mind some police brutality to sort out those pricks. kicking people laying on the floor is so fucking low.
CaptainObviouslikesthemthicc
Yeah i saw several grown men lay into her with soccer style kicks to the face. Turks don't give a fuck man.
rumandbass
yea every turk is exactly the same. fuckin clones.
rumandbass
i guess i forgot the /s
pizzauniverse
what? dude no, i do care about people and living creatures. dont put me in the same bag as those evil goons. pls.
WithPride
We will until you change your damn leaders and the way you treat women in your country. These are citizens of a different country.
squip
Is there video of this? Link?
Nadyanilo
In the sauce at the beginning, top right. Two women getting beat to the ground by 3 men.
squip
Thank you! I'd missed that when I saw this previously.
SonsOfiFap
Let's say protesters fought back and one of those guards got injured, would they face any repercussions?
RHFiesling
yes, Im pretty sure they would. Diplomats are higher level ranking and have immunity. Erdogan could put enough pressure on the US for that
billburrwalderama
Like "higher level ranking" humans or what the fuck is that?
RHFiesling
Fucking reality, that´s what that is. Fucked up, all wrong, horrible, hippocritical fucking reality. Ppl get fucked over 4 political gains
thatHertz
Some of the protesters did fight back. The guy who came in sprinting had a bloody nose at the end and a few of the protesters were arrested.
RHFiesling
I hope they do not really get in trouble for defending themselves
thatHertz
I doubt they will. I imagine they were arrested just to get them out of the way. I've been to a few protests where they just snatched a few.
Vadered
Probably not as long as they could prove self defense. Diplomats have immunity, but that prevents their arrest, not forces other arrests.
fuckpowerlevelsfucksupersaiyansandfuckyou
"SHE HAD IT COMING! STUPID GAMES STUPID PRIZES! IT WAS JUSTIFIED! PROBABLY A FEMINAZI!" --- Imgur, based on what I've seen in the past.
AaronElsey
Lol
CheeseIsNaturesFudge
I've seen it to, but it's totally contextual.
aureliusflavius
..........what?
fuckpowerlevelsfucksupersaiyansandfuckyou
Imgur in the past has been remarkably pro illegal abuse of peaceful protestors, saying shit like "All police killings are justified"
OliverBlomqvist
So you dont like it when people generalize? Huh... irony.
128482M
This is not 9gag, sir.
Solborn
Turkey's official response was (of course) the protestors are terrorists and did not have their permission to protest. Turkey needs a map.
styvan
Here's the "reason"
WithPride
If that's real, they deserve immediate action!
BayazTheBenevolent
Don't worry those things didn't actually happen. The fake media is just spreading lies again. No bad things happen in Trumpistan.
gengeorgewashington
I don't know why you're baiting like this. Last I checked the government has been actively trying to prosecute this
Ranos17
Papers, please
kantaloupe
I'm genuinely not sure whether you're being sarcastic.
BeefnQueso
I'm genuinely sure you're not sure about the surety of the sarcastic nature of the comment
Hilaritybomber
Really? You can't tell if "Trumpistan" is a joke or not?
kantaloupe
I wouldn't be too surprised to find out he announced the name change on Twitter this morning.
vballzs
once called "trumpistan" assume its sarcasm b/c trump followers wouldn't refer US to that
Gayforbae
And that's what's scary
Verelse
Next time, 2nd Amendment. Americans should defend other Americans.
Mentok
Unless the king has matters with them, then they can do whatever k?
lurkmoarjono
American soil. American laws. Honestly, What the hell do I know as all I do is make electrons dance to my will.
damspam
lol yeah thats an immediately gratifying concept, but would cause a geopolitical shitstorm that we cannot fathom.
snikers000
I'm not American so I can't say for sure how it works there, but as a rule, I would not recommend firing on visiting heads of state.
dietderpsy
Handgun and semi auto rifle vs a small army armed with miniguns
ClaudeWicked
... Pardon? Ythink people should decide to interject in confrontations w/ lethal force, without any training or knowledge of the situation?
Danteet
Yeah and start a firefight between embassy guards, police, and CCP holders. Yeah, sounds like a great idea. At least nobody here died.
mymothertoldmetopick
Well there is like 5 marine units in Washington as well
JuliusPepperwoodFromChicago
Exactly. And those security dicks are probably better trained than local cops and CCP dudes.
SithElephant
Differently, not better. Better at returning fire, almost certainly.
causality
Washington's rule of no carry within 1000ft of a dozen different types of facility makes it incredibly hard to be legally armed.
Kougeru
It's weird how local laws an override fucking Constitutional rights.
blanco6969
The 2nd amendment was a mistake.
TargaryenLoyalist
Tell that to the NRA. Though it's funny how they had no problem telling their members not to have guns when Trump spoke at their convention.
RepossessedSoul
The problem isn't D.C. law, its federal. Those buildings are considered federal property and have different laws 1/X
RepossessedSoul
There was a major supreme court ruling striking down D.C.'s gun laws because it was deemed they didn't allow for persons to 2/X
causality
DC's laws also include things that aren't federal property, like private schools, public swimming pool, video arcade, etc.
DustyMcKnuckles
I totally agree with you, buuuuut that would cause an even bigger shit storm that politicians would ignore and apologize to the Turkish for.
cooldudeguy
So what you're saying is, my fellow citizens defend each other, and it's the shitty politicians who have to apologize? Sounds like a win.
DustyMcKnuckles
Ish. By design, if you use 2A to back up 1A you end up being wrong on both accounts :/ and shitty politicians would jail CWPs as apology.
dadudemon
Dude...the fucking second amendment exists so we can murder the shit out of shitty and corrupt politicians. 1/2
DustyMcKnuckles
(2A=2nd Amendment. 1A=1st Amendment. CWPs=Concealed Weapons Permit holders.)
dadudemon
If Americans are jailed for using the 2nd A to defend the 1st A, then it is literally time murder the government. US Constitution 101. 2/2
cooldudeguy
I meant defend physically, not with weapons. Weapons, IMO, were not required in this instance.
UncleAlbert
Not a single suit got detained.
goatboyhicks
Not just that, the DC police that were there helped by beating the protestors.
aybayebaye
Some were detained but shortly released
AllHailTechnoViking
They walked trough waving their diplomatic passports in the air.
Defecakes
Unfortunately the suits can't be detained. Diplomatic immunity is a bitch.
DirtyBirdofQuestionableGeometry
Can't be detained, can be deheaded.
byohzzrd
Does the entire embassy staff hold immunity? And security contractors?
ashmenon
In one of the other posts, someone pointed out that diplomatic immunity for auxiliary staff only covers actions as a result of direct >
ashmenon
> orders of the diplomat themselves. Unless the diplomat ordered them to assault anyone nearby, I don't think these guys can claim >
ashmenon
> immunity. Whether they'd actually be prosecuted or let off for diplomatic sensitivity, is another question.
WowWhatAWhore
Unless their boss told them to breach police line, no, they have no immunity.
gecko08
There's an agreement that foreign dignitaries personnel won't be detained either.
RipleysBelieveItOrDie
There's a good chance that diplomatic immunity doesn't extend to these guys but it is a difficult situation to navigate.
UncleAlbert
So you're saying one of these guys and start singing "Cant touch this" while repeatedly curbing someone without being touched?
Pr3ach3r
I think he can, but the US government can freeze some Turkish assets to compensate for the incident and save face. A couple million $$$
UncleAlbert
Curb Stomping *
whothehellareyouanyway
Yes.
husingillchild
Of course they can't dip immunity only pertains to relevant duties. There was no threat to erdo as he wasn't there.
UncleAlbert
He was there. Looks like he gives someone an order. A suit runs off and then the fights happens shortly after. 1/2
therealVexed
well during the process they can be stoppe but once they stop they can leave
RaynArclk
Yes they can
NASAguy1000
Pretty much. Unless the country that granted said immunity decides to redact it.
HappyJello
Sounds like someone should get fucked by the long hard dick of the law
pineapplepunch
I must now become a lawyer so I can say this.
TheRealSpaghettiMonster
This sounds like a Judge Dredd porn parody.
UncleAlbert
Wow. Can*
WeenusMaGee
If they do something bad enough, they can be declared persona non grata. Being persona non grata is enough reason for countries 1/2
WeenusMaGee
revoke or not even give visa to the person in the first place. persona non grata stays with you the rest of your life.
Defecakes
I have to look into that more, but I'd imagine they'd have to kill someone for that to be applicable
z0mbycide
They CAN (and probably will) be PNG'd though.
Liquidbullets
Yea, thats not how it works at all.
Defecakes
Diplomats and their security get diplomatic immunity while in a foreign country. They can be expelled from the country, but not detained.
Liquidbullets
Diplomatic immunity isn't a do whatever you want card. It's like if you park wherever you want, not assault people.
dietderpsy
Could a person fighting back get charged.
TomZarekVP
They can be detained. They can't be prosecuted
SarcasticComment
This occurred in a moral grey area, but all of my findings say the Trump state department has chosen to classify this under immunity.
ImgurEric
This is our country, not theirs, they should have been detained, if cops won't, citizens should have.
Danteet
If they did this outside of the line of duty it would be different, but the guy they were "protecting" was there so, not a lot they can do.
Hilaritybomber
They don't have diplomatic immunity in this case, Erdogan wasn't present so they weren't conducting official business
TheOnlyJaneDoe
If they entered on diplomat visa, they are covered. Diplomatic staff need not be in the physical presence of the actual diplomat.
rollipukki
I believe the immunity covers guards when they are on duty, so politically it could be dodged by saying they were protecting the diplomat.
Thatguyunderthebridge
He'd already left the premise when the attacks began.
Defecakes
As long as the diplomat claims they were protecting him, there really isn't much to be done.
rollipukki
It would be pretty shifty political dodge anyway. Facts wouldnt matter much. Just to sweep it under the rug.
randolphina
They don't all have immunity. There is a pricess to be granted it, and you have to qualify as above a certain level.
Defecakes
They get the immunity of the diplomat they are guarding. If they were to come here on their own for vacations or something then no immunity
Knillis
As staff of a visiting head of state (Erdogan here) you also get immunity.
RipleysBelieveItOrDie
Depends on the staff, administrative and technical staff yes, service staff no.
FindYourChillMate
Pretty sure this isnt covered in Immunity..
SarcasticComment
The State Department has chosen to say it is. I disagree with their decision, but ultimately they have the last word at this time
samosett
You're right, terrorism isn't. (unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.)
dietderpsy
And what is the political aim here?
Knillis
It is, sadly, covered by diplomatic immunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity#Offences_against_the_person
ForeveraKritik
This is literally under the "Abuses of Diplomatic Immunity" section. This isn't covered.
TheBestUserInTheWorldTribute
unless they don't have diplomatic immunity because the did this outside their duties. Erdogan wasn't there, they were just beating people
greatbrono7
Don't know why you're being downvoted for telling it like it is. These men won't face justice. They will get off. Its just what will happen.