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Previously on IMGUR: https://imgur.com/gallery/5QKcHeU
So as these proceedings .... proceed... I'm going to take a swing here at keeping everyone I can up to date in as succinct a manner as I can muster.
The first question is pretty obvious.
What in the ever loving F*ck is actually happening? How did we get to this? Why are we at this stage NOW and not, say, 6 months ago or 2 years ago?
While many argue it's a long and windy road, it's one that can certainly be shortened.
The 3 major players here are (not in order of image but rather of importance)
-President Donald Trump
-Ukranian Comedian Turned President Volodymyr Zelensky
-Vice President Joe Biden
"Mr Trump's critics accuse him of using the powers of the presidency to bully Ukraine into digging up damaging information on a political rival, Democrat Joe Biden.
Mr Trump and his supporters allege the former vice-president abused his power to pressure Ukraine to back away from a criminal investigation that could implicate his son, Hunter.
Mr Biden is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination to take on Mr Trump next year.
In other words, it is nothing less than the White House at stake."
- Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181
Remember, in July and even earlier, Biden was always projected as a front-runner (despite lagging behind Elizabeth Warren and even Bernie Sanders in several major states currently).
So why this mess, now, of all times?
"Mr Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had a phone conversation on 25 July this year.
A rough transcript of the call* shows that the US president pressed his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate former Vice-President Biden and his son, who was a board member for a company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.
The call came after the Trump administration had delayed releasing US military funds to Ukraine until mid-September.
Mr Trump also referenced the 2016 hacking of the Democratic email server in the call to Mr Zelensky, and seemed to imply that the server still exists somewhere in Ukraine.
The US president says he has done nothing wrong, calling the impeachment proceedings a "joke".
He has accused Democrats of themselves threatening Mr Zelensky by withholding their votes on US laws affecting Ukraine, and says the controversy was created in order to distract from Mr Trump's meetings at the United Nations."
-Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181
* the complaint is fully released at this time:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and even V.P. Joe Biden himself, had publicly been staunchly critical of any mention of impeachment inquiries. They saw this as a distraction to the 2020 election and an impossible hurdle that made Dems look petty to viewers.
However... since this whistleblower incident the tables have vastly turned.
"A majority of the House now backs impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, a significant milestone as Democrats move rapidly on an impeachment inquiry.
As of Wednesday night, 218 lawmakers have indicated support for impeachment proceedings — 217 Democrats and independent Rep. Justin Amash.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi offered full-throated support for impeachment proceedings amid outrage over Trump pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Biden family, leading to a surge of support among Democrats this week.
Since the start of the year, a steady stream of Democrats has backed impeachment proceedings or even outright impeachment — either through public statements or votes. Until this week, the bulk of impeachment inquiry backers cited the results of former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Trump campaign links to Russia, and whether Trump attempted to obstruct the probe."
source: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/majority-of-house-supports-impeachment-inquiry-1512897
Wait, so who's this Whistleblower guy and what's going on with that? How come he blew the whistle?
Well, that answer is straightforward but what happened is rather complicated. He saw the phonecall with Zelenskyy as a threat to national security and an abuse of power.
"The whistleblower complaint that focused on President Donald Trump’s request to Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden also alleges White House officials moved the records of some of Trump’s communications with foreign officials onto a separate computer network.
First reported by the Washington Post and now evident as the whistleblower complaint was publicly released, the complaint alleged the Trump transcript with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was placed on a computer system directly managed by the National Security Council Directorate for Intelligence Programs.
The whistleblower cited officials he or she spoke with that this not the first time a presidential transcript was placed into the system “solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information.”
The complaint more broadly alleges Trump is using the power of his office to solicit foreign interference in the U.S. election.
The White House has not responded to MarketWatch about this particular element of the whistleblower complaint.
Trump defended his July phone call with Ukraine’s president, saying there was “no pressure” on him as a summary showed Trump urging his counterpart to open a probe related to Biden.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday announced the opening of an impeachment inquiry."
- source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/whistleblower-alleges-trump-white-house-moved-records-onto-separate-network-report-2019-09-26
So what's happening now?
There's intelligence hearings. Current breaking news is the exchange between *ACTING* Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire and Rep. Adam Schiff (D).
"House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) described the whistleblower complaint against President Trump as the "most graphic evidence yet" that Trump has abused his oath of office.
Trump “sacrificed our national security and the Constitution for his personal political benefit” during a July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Schiff said in his opening statement at a hearing on the complaint, which was made public minutes before he spoke.
An edited transcript of the call released by the White House Wednesday confirmed that Trump pressed Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
Trump has said he did nothing improper, while excorciating Democrats for a "witch hunt.".
Schiff evoked the founder's vision of the Constitution, calling it the president’s obligation “to defend the institutions of our democracy, to defend our system of checks and balances that the Constitution enshrines, to defend the rule of law.”
The California lawmaker raised details about the whistleblower complaint released earlier Thursday, saying that Zelensky sought to "ingratiate himself" while making clear that he would like resources to help combat Russian aggression.
The chairman described Trump as acting like a mob boss who hears what someone wants and then makes clear their demands before bestowing such asks, an argument he'd also made Wednesday."
-source: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463165-schiff-describes-whistleblower-complaint-as-most-graphic-evidence
Particularly interesting is this statement by Rep. Devin Nunes (R)
"Rep. Devin Nunes, the Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, left everyone confused and baffled when he claimed at a Thursday hearing that Democrats wanted "nude pictures" of President Donald Trump.
At the hearing, Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire appeared to discuss a whistleblower complaint from an intelligence community official.
The complaint, released to the public on Thursday morning, alleges that in a July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump undermined US national security by withholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the son of former Vice President Joe Biden."
-source: https://www.businessinsider.com/devin-nunes-claims-democrats-want-nude-pictures-of-trump-2019-9
This was disturbing to many in the journalistic and political circle.
This is important because of Giuliani's, vocal, and public role in this whole mess.
Rudy Giuliani is a personal attorney for Mr. Trump. In no way should he have the sort of clearance to speak about national security issues, let alone be involved in them. Yet, repeatedly in the call, according to the released White House transcript, "Trump repeatedly pressured Zelensky to work with Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter."
"President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Guiliani told Fox & Friends Wednesday morning that he had access to the transcript of the controversial phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky before the White House released it, and some experts argue there could be legal ramifications.
....
Giuliani, a private citizen, told Fox & Friends that he was previously aware of the transcript's classified contents.
"When you read the transcript, there is no mention of $250 million," Giuliani pointed out, referencing military aid for Ukraine that Trump decided to withhold days before the call.
The comment prompted Fox host Brian Kilmeade to ask whether Giuliani had read the transcript. He interjected multiple times without acknowledgment from Giuliani, who continued his defense of the president.
"Mr. Mayor, can I ask, did you read the transcript?" Kilmeade finally asked. Giuliani responded, "Let's say it was read to me."
"The whole thing?" Kilmeade asked. "I hope," Giuliani responded.
Yet Giuliani was evasive when Kilmeade asked if Trump brought up Biden during the call. "Maybe he didn't bring it up. Could be possible that the president of Ukraine brought it up," Giuliani said.
According to the transcript, there was no explicit mention of the foreign aid that Trump had withheld. However, Trump did speak openly of the Bidens."
-source: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-reveals-he-accessed-ukraine-transcript-prior-release-1461316
Needless to say, this is far from over.
We're going to get more updates, even by the end of the day, so stick around.
If you have more questions and inquiries, leave them in the comments and I'll respond to you with sourced links that both reputable and safe to click.
Best,
TyDugganWrites
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Treblaine
Eldibs
"I have the best impeachment proceedings. Nobody gets impeached as well as I do."
smashpro1
If he actually gets removed from office, that would be true.
TigerThong
GOP putting country before party. never gonna happen
gestun
Nacon
That face says everything that's going on, and he knows it.
schlummi
He also meantioned that he stayed at the trump tower. :D
TyDugganWrites
lol right?
SpaceballsTheComment
Reminds me of:
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Reminds me of ...
ROBOTvsMAN
ROBOTvsMAN
ROBOTvsMAN
lordFaceGuyBanditZ
Who’s that?
TyDugganWrites
Tommy Wisseau. Directed The Room, one of the greatest films of all time. Check it out.
lordFaceGuyBanditZ
See that video of him as everyone from The Suicide Squad?
TyDugganWrites
Plz tell me more for I have not
lordFaceGuyBanditZ
Sadly, I heard wrong. He just photoshopped the poster so that he was doing every role
H3xfly
Hekatombe
President of Ukraine
LightStriker
The moment Trump said he should sit with Putine and resolve their differences.
Hekatombe
Similar facial expression, different hand placement. Meh close enough https://youtu.be/pywdCw8wA6g?t=30
RideTheStimutacs
He went full Nixon. You never go full Nixon.
jimmergur
Watergate does not bother me. Does your conciseness bother you. - Lynyrd Skynyrd
jimmergur
*conscience
StewedTomaters
Plus, the Ukrainian prosecutor that Giuliani's been dogging came out today and said that Biden's son didn't break any laws in Ukraine.
TheOvy
Also in the whistleblower complaint: Giuliani has been in contact with Ukrainian offiicals for months, pushing the Biden conspiracy. It
bjorklund
Biden is on tape bragging about holding back funds from Ukraine until the prosecutor investigating Hunter is fired. He’s admitted it.
TheOvy
An entire coalition of countries was calling for the firing of that prosecutor, because Shokin was corrupt, blocking any investigations into
TheOvy
his allies. Look him up. Part of the reduction of corruption in Ukraine is because he (and the former president) are out of power.
TheOvy
was made clear to Zelenskyy that he would have to "play ball" with Giuliani's concerns in order to get a meeting or call with Trump. Also,
TheOvy
Trump ousted the well respected diplomat to the Ukraine, and sent two other diplomatic envoys to help Zelenskyy "navigate" Trump's requests.
MjGerhard
Biden conspiracy? He admitted it on television lmao.
TheOvy
If by admit, you mean "I pressured Ukraine to fire their prosecutor to protect Hunter Biden," you are incorrect. If by admit, you mean "I,
TheOvy
as a representative of the Obama administration, joined the chorus of nations calling for the ousting of a prosecutor who blocks
TheOvy
the investigations of his corrupt allies," then yes, that's true. But he would've been ousted with or without Biden. It was a coalition.
TyDugganWrites
This will be in next post.
TheOvy
I didn't want to wait until February ;-)
Tyroki
Isn't the problem with the whistleblower that the information isn't even first party, but something they heard while off-duty?
TheOvy
Technically, but inspector general knows of many witnesses. Most damningly, the whisteblower's account of the call turned out to be spot on.
Tyroki
The call was right, though there seems to be very little in that transcript to huff over.
TheOvy
1. It's a memo, not a transcript, 2. Trump withheld military aid, Ukraine asked him for help with defense, Trump replied first and foremost
ILikeCuteGifsAndICannotLie
They compiled accounts of 12 people with firsthand knowledge all saying the same thing.
RadicalLeftist
Giuliani... who doesnt have any current security clearance and is a private citizen is working with a foreign government
bashierr
It isn't illegal for him to meet with foreign officials. Obama had people like him do similar meetings.
RadicalLeftist
Can you give me an example of someone Obama used to help weed out corruption and investigate a rival in a foreign country?
Cheomesh
Yeah that's a little weird.
RadicalLeftist
A little weird is an understatement haha. Hes being used so its harder to track everything. Or it would be if he could keep a story straight
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
They say that covfeve is a dish best served cold.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
drip by drip or leak by unprecedented leak and still: "he's your president".
WoeToHice
WARHAMMER405
"What is Covfeve, Precious?"
prepeymad
This was very informative.
TyDugganWrites
wheeledPhoto
IG "I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of 1/2
wheeledPhoto
his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election." Not "whistleblower", but blowers.
n3ckr0mantic
When your lawyer is privy to information you wont share with congress
GTPTB
No one wants nude pictures of Trump, Mr. Nunes. No one.
ForgivingCat
I do.
TheyCallMeJimmyButMyNameIsJames
You are wrong. Adam Schiff asked for them. They didn't exist, but he wanted them.
Shendorion
. . . except the Kremlin.
rgzdev
And Vice, and Vox, and other tabloids.
DrScheperle
I do
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
BunnieWigglesworth
Poor... poor Melania...
Jhacon
This is something both the right and the left, really everyone, should agree on.
FierceAndAdorable
My thoughts exactly
admiralschlackett
So is "Send Nunes" going to become a thing now?
TigerThong
nunes is an idiot
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Or any other d disgusting politician for that matter...
youcantgiveAbabybooze
Gryphonosiris
Nor does Melania.
xj4low
I've seen her naked photos.
Gryphonosiris
Most of America and Europe has.
Rovylern
I’d rather have naked pictures of Bea Arthur.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
PersonalityFire
https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/john-currin-b-1962-bea-arthur-5684049-details.aspx
Cheomesh
FSR fan?
Rovylern
Nope. The Lone Rangers.
Cheomesh
Ah. Thought it was a reference to this old chestnut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MftegIsq_nY
Rovylern
Nope... it was this: https://youtu.be/y-w5-7shUQg
ColoneISanders
RIP @TheRealDrStevenBrule the man who dared to post a picture possibly more terrifying than the gif
Kairamek
I want the peepee tape released, but I'm not gonna watch it.
SpaceballsTheComment
I've always been against kinkshaming, but this is where I draw the line!
OneSexyUnicorn
Not even Trump's wife wants nudes of Trump.
AstroINTJ
sundaymondayhippyday
Kellyanne ?
seafoamistasty
fucking perfect
eternallybedhead
Ironically, I think that statement is evidence that impeachment is not happening in a million years. Too many Nunes-clones in the Senate.
BananaBodyWrexker
It’s just bullshit deflection and an attempt to muddy the waters by David NoYes
CarlottaVonSprockett
“NoYes?” Ugh. Silly nicknames is Trump’s thing - don’t be like him.
Cheomesh
No, they definitely existed before he was in office.
sundaymondayhippyday
He didn’t invent the practice... although he’ll tell you he did
Imustupvotealltacos
Trump does. He keeps blaming the photographers for taking bad photos though. *It's not the photographer*
nateglen350
Well in all honesty, they do use old film
makeiteasykeepitsleazy
He says the reason he looks orange is the new energy efficient lights so...
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Day Spa Cheeto /a/V09n0dz?s=sms
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Man, I thought this was gonna be closed doors! It's all happening. This week has been insane.
frankenmullet22
mialynneb
I was trying to keep my husband updated yesterday but was like, this is fucking pants-on-head crazy. And then today happened.
Criscartersfallguys
That tells me we’re probably being lied to.
TyDugganWrites
https://imgur.com/exjm1eQ
FFSharkHunter
Just a friendly tip for you: if you expand the gif and hit “copy” you can embed it into the comment. On desktop it’s the direct link option.
FierceAndAdorable
How do you add a picture without creating a post and making it favorite for iSO?
TyDugganWrites
See sometimes it does it, other times it doesn’t. I didn’t know what the trick was I usually copy post link instead of copy post.
FFSharkHunter
Fair enough, I just figured I would share in case you didn’t know. Imgur can be pretty wonky about getting direct links these days.
TyDugganWrites
It IS
CraftedLine
Nothings happening. But the nation now know Biden has ties to Russia as well as a known KKK member. Let's not discuss his questionable Legi.
desolatorx
CraftedLine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan Right? Democrats really are the new Republicans. ?️
desolatorx
Tough shit buddy your guy is getting investigated, you can huff and puff however you want.
CraftedLine
And Biden is being investigated. Welcome to America. The difference here is the Demons doesn't want an investigation into Biden. Wonder why?
TheGhostofElizabethShue
"Nothings happening"
xj4low
Source?
CraftedLine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan Long time friend. Though we could also look into Biden's legislation way back when.
Imjusthereforrecipes
That’s not at all what has come out of this and biden was investigated in 2016-2017 and found clean. You seem more like a russian bot to me
CraftedLine
An investigation into Biden's son began this year. Is it because Democrats have so many ties to Russia. One of the issues everyone had w/TD
FierceAndAdorable
Or Trumpian
Imjusthereforrecipes
Also insinuating ‘biden has ties to a known kkk member’ vs Trump hiring supremacists to campaign for him and retweeting ‘@whitegenocideTM’
CraftedLine
Please cite a reputable source regarding supremacist were hired. Please don't confuse volunteer work because a few Democrats would look bad.
Imjusthereforrecipes
I’ll avoid mentioning the many white supremacist volunteers and speakers that trump openly encouraged, if you like, but how about Bannon?
Imjusthereforrecipes
Not just some random that trump didn’t know, but his campaign manager until he threw him under the bus post-election
CraftedLine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan Had he knew he'd go into politics he wouldn't have joined the KKK. Says a lot.
ohthatwordbumsmeout
Sorry buuuut I still wanna know who all raped children with Jeffrey Epstein
Ana5ta51a
a 13 year girl in 1993 accused Trump of rape at the Epstein mansion.
devildog272
The US is going to be fucked until we get term limits for senators and congress. Those fuckers need to stop arguing and work for the people.
justForRon0Fez
irrelevant
Cheomesh
Senators are part of Congress.
PassiveAggressiveHotdogVendor
Term limits increase the power of lobbyists and unelected officials while also encouraging candidates to tow the party line.
LCDJosh
"Generic comment about how term limits would never work in Congress"
3SpareParts
I’d say the biggest change that could fix most of the problems we have it getting money out of politics.
3SpareParts
I’d say the biggest change that could fix most of the problems we have it getting money out of politics.
TigerThong
Theres a party for that.
letmesetthisstraight
Which party is that
TigerThong
democrats one of the first bills they worked on when they took power
letmesetthisstraight
That’s adorable
therdin
Will never ever happen. You either have that money in the open, behind the scenes, or both. But you'll never have money out of politics.
dizzyturtle
Pelosi and Schumer 20 years from now, still in congress.
TyDugganWrites
TBF that can also be Mitch & Lindsey Graham.
Effehezepe
Is... Is Lindsey Graham the woman?
protools1983
He’s a little bitch so take that for what you will
Seanspeed
It's fucking wild you read that post and thought this was the solution to the problem.
drbloodbathmc
I mean, it’s one step of many to be quite honest.
Seanspeed
It is completely irrelevant to this specific topic. It deflects from what the real problem is here.
Seanspeed
Though I guess I should stop being outraged at the insane political ignorance of the Imgur community. This place basically went all in on
Seanspeed
bashing Hillary in 2015/2016 with all kinds of idiotic propaganda because nobody here knows any better.
drbloodbathmc
I'll agree, it's far from the relevant issue we're dealing with and should be further down the list than suggested.
Seanspeed
Y'all are honestly unreal. The answer to effective right wing propaganda is....term limits? :/
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
You need to get rid of the two-party system
StillNotYouTube
There are other parties. If any of them were an actual threat, one of the major parties would adopt the popular stances.
TwoAccountsDown
It wouldn't change anything. The line will find a way to draw itself in the sand.
Cheomesh
Parties aren't, strictly speaking, part of the system.
11thstalley
Yep. But with what is currently going on, I can see some non-Tea Party/Trumpians coalesce as a true Conservative Party after Trump
11thstalley
has completely destroyed the GOP. At the time, the readical left and the moderates in the Democratic Party could also break from each other.
11thstalley
The easiest way for this to happen would be to institute a tiered choice system on ballots.
dragonherder
We have other parties sadly they don't have enough people that are under them to make any real difference / get elected.
Bigmclargehugegr8
Somewhat. Federal election system requires higher polling %'s than most states to debate. This is how 3rd parties win state elections
DarkUranium
... which is because of the two-party system.
dragonherder
There is a whole slew of things to get into. It isn't a two party system in reality. The problem is more to do with how people tend to vote
dragonherder
and which party people opt to run in. The problem tends to be who gets to be president is two party generally and even independents need to
DarkUranium
It very much is a two-party system. It's the mathematical truth of first-past-the-post voting, and in particular its spoiler effect.
Italipino
Next time include how AG Barr is also roped into the while mess!
Varimothras
https://youtu.be/Tcz8xXMR-ps
TheWombatStrikesAgain
No sympathy from me. When he took the job, he knew Trump would consider him his personal defense lawyer. And he acted as such.
smashpro1
And how Trump threw Pence under the bus and got him involved in this.
mardukkur
"Roped into" lol. He's in it up to his eyeballs.
Boller36
In the memo (it’s a memo not an official verbatim transcript) trump tells the Ukrainian president to investigate the issue, and tells him to
Boller36
Call Rudy Giuliani *and* AG William Barr, and said he would tell the two of them to call the Ukrainian pres. (In the memo)
TyDugganWrites
That is definitely next. He and Giuliani will be called into question by the committee at some point.
PersonalityFire
https://imgur.com/L4IHB5i
TyDugganWrites
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462761-giuliani-says-state-department-asked-him-to-take-call-from-ukrainian-official
mialynneb
Trump is going to throw every damn one of them under the bus - except his family. If he tries Giuliani, it's going to be insane.
smashpro1
If it would help him, he would definitely throw Don Jr., Eric, and Jared under the bus.
mialynneb
Possible, but I don't think so. He needs his inner circle to be his cheerleaders for his ego. Giuliani is already tweeting shit.
GreenNinja22
The whole thing is just a shit show
mialynneb
That is legit me every day. I need to get my physical, and I don't want to because I'm just constantly pissed and drinking.
Bullfishie
Wait until Rudy Giuliani gets investigated. Now that's going to be a shit show.
ArcaneConjecture
NYker here. There's a lot of reasons to hate on Rudy, but he's never been crooked.
KhiAmyRnameEisN
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
I just blew coffee out of my nose! Thanks... +100
Fargus57
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Giuliani at every interview
Fackaduck25
He's gonna wake up hung in a prison cell, and I don't mean his penis
AawesomeAardvaark
*hanged. And I don't mean his penis.
originalsh4rpie
He claims to have dirt on people that he'll use to protect himself, so thats cool.
immortalbucket
GenericUsername4444
Oh god that’s creepy
hammersquirrel
BeWaterMyFriend
xBenoitBallsx
Oh...my....GOD
OtterlyMagnificent
Maybe if he wasn't trying to ingratiate himself to the Dems by breaching national security...That, actually, IS treasonous behavior, and 1/
CharliePapaBravo
What the fuck are you on about? It's an investigation...only a partisan troll would say there isn't evidence to investigate.
OtterlyMagnificent
The last 3 investigations didn't turn up anything useful.
CharliePapaBravo
The republican investigator stated that the only reason he isn't indicted for obstruction of justice is that he is a sitting president.
CharliePapaBravo
Notice a pattern?
OtterlyMagnificent
in any SANE country, would get his case thrown out, never to be looked at again. Thus losing the potential of Trump getting impeached. (Not1
OtterlyMagnificent
that there's a whole lot of chance of him BEING impeached right now) 2/2
mialynneb
Are you mad? Giuliani is trying it ingratiate himself with the Dems? JFC, man.
OtterlyMagnificent
Why else would he be trying to get Trump impeached?
Glitterfartjuice
This dumbass has blinded himself so well that he thinks giuliani is the whistleblower.
JLaP01001
“You have no right to pull me over Officer. There’s no dead hooker in the trunk! Well there is but she was there when I stole the car!”
Thorn14
I once had a speeding ticket and my Lawyer Giuliani was able to lower it to a mere 2nd Degree Homicide!
lordFaceGuyBanditZ
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"I shouldn't have said that."
PiggyWobbles
"And even if she wasn't no crime committed. You can't prove anything, this is a witch hunt. Ok Total and complete exoneration "
furriephillips
He’d sink a thousand ships.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
I can't wait for the Bidens to answer to their corruption. Mitt doesn't have clean hands either I'll wager in respect of his relationships..
yoimafireman
Thought old joe was pretty clean? Also if it’s his son isn’t he dead?
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Hunter isn't. His brother Beau did. Hunter's an addict. Check out his multi-K a month sweeet deal with Burisma.
konelhft
This is the other son, who dated the dead son's widow.
heynongman4pres
Lol whoever Trump runs against will be accused of some kind of scandal... Bc they make shit up man. It’s obvious.
yoimafireman
We all have faults, but I vote family shouldn’t be brought in, it’s about me and my beliefs
RadicalLeftist
Jo's only clean if you dont believe in those sweet conspiracies
The2020ElectionWasStolen
https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4?t=60 the AG was investigating the company that paid Biden jnr 50 grand a month - for a non-existant skill set
carlsagansghost
The Biden investigation ended years ago and nothing was found. Fuck off with this conspiracy bullshit.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Which Biden investigation would you be talking about?
khora
Please hold your breath.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
I won't be. But you can 'cos T ain't leavin'.
khora
No, he'll stay until 2040 or something, ruling all 38 states.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
The other D ones will be failed states soon enough. Cali leads the way down the sink hole.
zobPilot
Don’t forget Creepy Joe, this is one big can of worms. Literally
JakefromStateFarmTx
No no no, dems don’t make mistakes on this site stop that
Raecracy123abc
I am a women who's literally been creeped on by Uncle Joe (he was law professor at my undergrad Uni and one evening when I was trying to
Raecracy123abc
find my class on the Satellite campus (law campus), he came up behind me in an empty hallway put both hands on my shoulders leaned over and
Raecracy123abc
asked me what class I was looking for) and I still care more about foreign corruption and missuses of power than a guy who literally
Raecracy123abc
says he has no respect for woman, is being charged with underage rape, pushes himself into teenage girls dressing rooms
RadicalLeftist
The president has solicited a foreign government to investigate a political rival and your trying to shift the focus back to Biden.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Biden did that himself. He’s on record ....
The2020ElectionWasStolen
on yt https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4?t=60 spread it wide
RadicalLeftist
Fuck off mate. He used u.s commitments to combat corruption, not get a political rival investigated. Completely different
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Joe got the Ukraine AG removed because he was investigating Burisma, which paid jis son 50 grand a month. Boasted of withholding aid money..
The2020ElectionWasStolen
https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4?t=60
JakefromStateFarmTx
I love it when the left is called out on here, they don’t respond, they just downvote because they’re wrong with nothing to say
Famously
From what I understand, Biden got the prosecutor fired because he refused to prosecute corrupt businesses.
RadicalLeftist
A youtube clip doesnt show any evidance that Bidens son was involved in anything being investigated. The u.s fights corruption this way alot
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Peter Schweizer - Secret Empires. Try that.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Drug addicted son, kicked out of army, on board of Burisma getting 50 grand a month. Yep, nothing to see here.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
*evidence*
NewDemosthenes
What a mess!
ArmedWithANapkin
What an absolute shit show.
TyDugganWrites
Try researching it in 2 hours.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"We never thought so much shit would be possible when we voted for this giant ass!"
Pizza1sLyfe
Nunes: You just want his noodes!
GingerLaird
What does it mean by "edited transcript"?
NoFather
Trump has been known to tear up documentation of his conversations (which is illegal) and aids have been putting them back together
NoFather
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/donald-trump-presidential-record/index.html
houseofcatsandplants
Its not technically a transcript... it's a memo/summary of the phone call.
KartFnocker
it's a bit confusing because there's two different versions of the call in question: the public thing we got yesterday, which is being //
KartFnocker
CALLED a transcript in places, but is NOT an exact, word for word record. Then there might be an actual 100% copy that's still secret
VictusVonGuyver
I remember, the one released wasn't a real transcript but rather notes. the Actual transcript was digitally archived in classified systems.
KartFnocker
that's exactly right
ILikeCuteGifsAndICannotLie
That it came out was moved to a secret server the dni had no access to at the hearing.
TyDugganWrites
For more on that: When The President Speaks With A World Leader, Who Else Is On The Call? https://one.npr.org/i/764217415:764236238
Ijustwannagohomeandeatcalzones
Solid thanks!
ButterfaceTaintClown
hard thanks
KartFnocker
nice context!
IndorillNerevar
My understanding is the call wasn't transcribed so much as listened to and recalled. So what we have isn't a transcription so much a third
IndorillNerevar
Party, security agency account.
TyDugganWrites
Not quite: When The President Speaks With A World Leader, Who Else Is On The Call? https://one.npr.org/i/764217415:764236238
FartyMcDumpstein
1) That doesn't mean *this* is a transcript. In fact, it literally states that it isn't: "CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation
FartyMcDumpstein
2) (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room..."
CharliePapaBravo
I thought it was a white house account?
Me10000
America itself is under attack from within.
bjorklund
From the progressive left, yes.
Cheomesh
Not really.
chicharrone
This is why Putin wanted Trump in office. So we would rip apart our own democracy because of his devisiveness.
bjorklund
Right. Because Obama was such a unifier. It is fact the US was more divided under Obama.
ParmaseanCheese
How can so much go wrong in a presidency spent golfing
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
My theory is he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. He was a skeezy real estate blowhard and it doesn't translate to the presidency.
TyDugganWrites
Maybe less golfing means better governing? I keep saying, we need a hockey player as president.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Zombeavers
Imagine how much worse it would be if he didn’t golf so much
mardukkur
All he does is golf, watch Fox New, tweet, and commit crimes.
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mardukkur
Sure thing trumptard.
MrBig
Good one
AdamGenesis
... but didn't he bitch and moan that Obama golfed too much (he didn't) and he wasn't going to do that.
mardukkur
Literally everything Trump does, there's a prior tweet of him criticizing it.
TyDugganWrites
“There’s a tweet for that.”
smashpro1
He also said that his golfing is inexpensive, despite already having costed taxpayers more than a hundred-million dollars.
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smashpro1
2. He said that he didn't take a salary, but what proof of that do we have? The man is a pathological liar, why take him at his word on that
smashpro1
1. That has nothing to do with the costs associated with travel and security details.
TalkingSnake
Former comedian, Ukranian President. Former reality tv host, US President. So everyone is fucking up not just us?
mcc1ane
yes
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Well, the Ukraine is a fucking mess after the last few years. You would expect more from the US
pugs911
Former drama teacher/blackface wearer turned Canadian prime Minister
badgerthewitness
Ronald Reagan was a movie star. Celebrity has always been a part of politics.
SometimesILikeToLieOnTheGroundLikeACarrot
Everyone?
Canuckleheads
Former drama teacher, Prime Minister of Canada
bobsvagenecatsdogsredheadscosplaypuffins
It's easy to forget what America was like pre 9/11.
KevinRPD
A cynic. lol
TwoFlower68
The Ukrainian president use to play the president of Ukraine in the (Ukrainian) TV series Servant of the People. Life imitating art :)
NotaCPA
Ukranian president is also a lawyer....before being a comedian.. like that actor in the hangover who is also a doctor. People seem to forget
Kakistocrator
Have u seen Britain lately? Israel? Yes, we are all fucking up
goforthandconquer
LunarEntropy
Every day we stray further from the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
OscarWao
*fucked up
DecorativeLion
Liberia elected a soccer player as president also
ChrisMorray
No, not nearly everyone. Ukraine yes. US also yes. UK yeah. Most of the rest of us are fine.
SAUSAGEmcmuffinwithHASHbrowns
To win elections, candidates need to be captivating and effective story tellers.
HawaiianPinoy
Just more Democratic hoax witch hunt. It’s sad they have nothing to offer Americans but political BS. No legislation, just butthurt lol
Cheomesh
Pretty sure they've put legislation forward. Those election security bills got some attention for a bit.
TalkingSnake
YesImkazuma
Yea, were fucking up....only faster!
TalkingSnake
WE'RE NUMBER 1
YesImkazuma
Jaymezians
I still abibe by the theory that the particle collider shot us into a darker universe.
Cheomesh
WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?!
sirmixanaverageamount
At least he’s kind enough a hottie
Sen314suckmyass
val15
https://i.postimg.cc/MZ4THCjW/ZePica.jpg
pianoNoodleTraveler
Just because the Ukrainian President is a former comedian doesnt mean a fuck up. He is boxed into precarious spot because of Russia.
icommentwithsteveharvey
Yeah, I'd vote for former comedian Jonathan Stewart for president if he ever ran
kerms
Ew.
icommentwithsteveharvey
That's just like my opinion man
LunarEntropy
John Stewart would be too good for this world.
ghost0parta
I was gonna make the same reference! Stewart! Stewart!
hwbobb55
He beat an showed Nazi put in by a US backed coup. That still has half the country fighting the other. Not a hard win
hwbobb55
Avowed fucking auto-correct
sha13
sha13
and to clarify, I meant grammatically
hwbobb55
I browse and post while rendering and mixing. You're lucky if I put a single punctuation mark anywhere
KushauKaffku
As a Ukrainian, you are wrong at everithing in that comment
hwbobb55
So the wars over donbass is back in the fold and super happy democracy regns for all the good people
hwbobb55
Some of us know all about the Azov battalions and the fascist movement ties that backed the coup to put poroshenko in. Midland is
hwbobb55
Nuland is on tape picking him to lead
ImgurTheDownvote
Not to defend trump because things look sketchy, but Biden is on Record https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1176219043965079552?s=21
CanisDirusTV
Yes Biden lied. Or he's old and forgetful. Its not an abuse of power on Bidens part. They were combating corruption in Ukraine. Many leaders
CanisDirusTV
Called for the removal of the prosecutor due to his refusal to investigate corruption. One of his last acts was to fire another employee
CanisDirusTV
For trying. The investigation was into company matters some time before Hunter Biden even joined the board
drapester
You would have to believe that the GOP majority in the house under Obama just thought that...behngazi was a better way to go? Nah.
Iamaperson1166
String him up by the toes for all I care. Now let's go back to talking about Trump and his many, many crimes.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
The clown car is in the wings revving up as we speak.
NinjaCongo
That 2:d amendment you Americans are always on about, isn't it supposed to be in place to protect you from precisely these kinda people?
TyDugganWrites
Just about.
TevinthaDude512
This has been really info heavy so thank you for that. The whitehouse is a circus right now and not even a good one.
ImgurTheDownvote
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1176219043965079552?s=21
TimeKeepsOnMoving
Makes me feel a little better
DecorativeLion
Brazil elected a flat earther. Everyone is fucked up.
ProcrastinatingWork
Comedians are among the very brightest and best of humans...sometimes
SpringToMyWinter
Well, the comedian also went to law school
PolarishBEAR
Look at Senator Al Franken, comedian tunlrned senator. And does a dmn good job as one.
shartfearer
I thought so too but that pic of him that cost him was really messed up
necrojoe
*did
TalkingSnake
.... so their clown is still better than ours...
Ketheres
Hey, at least your clown managed to fail multiple casinoes and still get called a businessman, so that's an achievement right there.
Ketheres
(Seriously, how the fuck do you fuck up Casinoes? They are pretty much the safest way of making money as long as you have the initial funds)
Cheomesh
If they were that easy, everyone would be doing it.
TalkingSnake
And his daddy had to commit a crime to try to save his idiot baby of a son in one of those casinos.
TargetedAdBot
Well... Trump is successful entrepreneur and world class businessman, eh? Eh?
BuckMelanoma
valen00
It's sarcasm dude
UnsolicitedRichardPicture
I’m sorry that nobody else picked up on the sarcasm. Have an upvote.
cantthinkofaclevernameatm
Imdoingmypart.gif
5exyPanda
Well when you start treating politicians like celebrities this is what you get. It becomes a popularity contest.
TyDugganWrites
TBF it's always been a pop. contest, but it's just distinctly stupider now.
Dahliaisahedgehog
5exyPanda
To be faaiirr!
STINKPICKEL
No, in the past it was a contest of issues, candidates records mattered, today's elections are popularity contests.
TyDugganWrites
And those thing quantify to add up to popularity
STINKPICKEL
If you mean whether the issues were popular or not, in that sense yes, but I mean it's now about how popular the person is, period.
TalkingSnake
Reagan had no leg to stand on but ended up in the White House. 150yrs ago we had silver spoon heirs run campaigns on being a working man.
HenryFondle
TBF - Reagan did participate in McCarthyism as the president of the SAG, stumped for republicans, and was Gov of CA before tackling WH.
HenryFondle
.. still a shitweasel, but at least he had a history of public service.. unlike our current national embarrassment.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
No leg to stand on? Take a watch of his interviews with Dick Clark and William Buckley jr and see how much grasp he has of the issues.
maninthedarkness
He had a leg. Jimmy Carter stained his administration but good with the Iran Hostage crisis. Reagan rode that to the White House.
Cheomesh
Reagan had been Governor of CA.
TyDugganWrites
Very few working class people are able to effectively rise to ranks enough to run as president but I feel the ones who do get overlooked.
TyDugganWrites
Again, popularity contest. Hard to be popular when you were a district educator/medical worker instead of on TV shakin babies kissin hands
BoooBerry
It's important to keep in mind that this all comes down to unknowable intent. "He spoke in code like a mob boss" is not why you impeach.
Iamaperson1166
Dude. Withholding aid and then asking for a "favor" over and over is not code. You're being deliberately obtuse if you can't puzzle it out.
BoooBerry
He explained why he's holding out. Or did you ignore that part in favor of what you're biased inference tells you?
Iamaperson1166
Unbelievable. You need a tape of Trump saying "I, Donald Trump, am illegally extorting you" before you'll even consider intent.
UnsolicitedRichardPicture
It’s like the Chappelle skit where he’s on jury selection for R Kelly’s trial.
Bugbuury
In fairness, Trump was a tycoon well before reality TV.
TalkingSnake
Is inheritance tied to competency?
darkoshen
Correct. He was also the worst asshole ever to draw breath.
Bugbuury
I dunno. He hasn't committed mass murder.
darkoshen
I did say "asshole" and not mass murderer. Not a quibble: "asshole" is indeed a technical term.
PolarishBEAR
I mean Senator Al Franken is a top notch senator and used to be a comedy writer and actor. When hes council to a hearing he takes no shit.
Cheomesh
Franken left office in January 2018.
darkoshen
It took only a few days to push Franken out. It's been 2 1/2 YEARS OF TRUMP ffs.
PolarishBEAR
Leaves all his personal biases at home.
TalkingSnake
Left. Past tense.
MostlyDinosaurs
Well and the UK elected a condum with some hair stuck to it
Unfairhobbit
Ahh yes the incoherent bashing of our PM, you ever read between the lines or is this typical? Corbyn and his jesters are preventing action
PrincessWolf
No we didn't. 0.2% of the UK elected him.
TheUseriestName
'Elected'
Blundermore
We didn't elect him, He assumed the throne and has readily abused his power already. We want him out, along with all his lying thugs.
HenryLongfellowIII
As far as we know he's avoided carnal relations with dead pigs though, so there's an improvement right there.
sundaymondayhippyday
Ilbrotlein
Like Trump...? What a coincidence
maninthedarkness
Funny. You just described Trump.
Ketheres
A used condom would have more value than that moldy cumstain/wanna-be Trump.
STINKPICKEL
"wanna -be-Trump" Ironic cause I thought, "Britain's Trump" when I first saw the guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
PenisOfDeath
Same
sundaymondayhippyday
Trump endorsed him ... so yeah he obviously can’t do the job
Inferniken
In our defence it wasn't a public vote, but yes everything is falling apart.
Inferniken
This comment didn't age well...
Naturally90
Nobody elected shit.
somethingawesomeandgreat
onionninjas
Rovylern
hatethisbit
Laughs in British
mmartin762
I believe a British laugh is known as a "chuckle"
TalkingSnake
So is that a slight gurgle while hiding ones face with a tea mug?
ButterfaceTaintClown
cries in British
NotStephanie
Read the transcript about how “inspirational” Trump is to him.
goforthandconquer
TwoFlower68
He probably noticed that sucking up to Trump is the best way to get on his good side. Add to that Ukraine having a bit of a domestic problem
TwoFlower68
re Russia and Trump was withholding previously approved military hardware, I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd professed his undyingTrump
BoooBerry
We also elected:. Ronald Reagan, the actor, Jesse Ventura, phony wrestler, and Stuart Smalley / Al Franken. 2(D), 1(I), 1(R).
Gayforbae
And also the Terminator.
LarvaLamp
Who's the Vice President- Jerry Lewis?!
srsfaceI8C
I find it funny the two paragons of the Republican political ideal are "Hollywood Elites" in Reagan and Trump.
Cheomesh
Raegan maybe, but Trump is barely Hollywood. He's a silver-spoon Manhattanite. You know, a coastal elite.
srsfaceI8C
Yeah I guess coastal elite is the better term. Just meant an actor. One an actual actor, the other a reality TV actor.
BoooBerry
Reagan ran for office so long after his acting career that most didn't identify him as an actor.
TalkingSnake
Ventura Al and Arnie were all lower office and short term effects. Also, elected democratically and not by the electoral college.
Aecusim
Yeah! Fuck the electoral college! Rural farmers don't need a vote in MY country!
FartyMcDumpstein
1) I never understand this one. Electoral college is about small state vs big state, not rural vs. urban. Big blue states like NY and CA
FartyMcDumpstein
2) have massive agriculture industries, so all the dairy farmers in upstate NY get fucked compared to urban residents of Balitmore.
AtomicOldMan
They would also have one in a popular vote system, ya dangus.
ILikeToFindTheAnswers
Also Arnold Schwarzenegger
LarvaLamp
And Sonny Bono
BoooBerry
And Clint Eastwood, I think.
RtsWillH1Mself
Key point also: Ukrainian president has claimed he felt no pressure and thought the conversation had a natural flow.
Beleg7
Of course, he also says that Trump offered to help Ukraine reclaim Crimea.
brassmule
Well, I mean, technically President Obama did nothing when Russian took it.
TigerThong
lol the man is being threatened with lack of aid/missiles of course he's gonna say that.
RtsWillH1Mself
Dems/Congress gives it too...
Iamaperson1166
I would say the same thing about the guy who is holding my money.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
That doesn't say much, given that Trump is known to be vindictive and Zelensky doesn't want to jeopardize future US help.
annoyingjoe
good point. he was comically effusive in his comments when sitting with trump.
wekilledbambi03
He is a literal comedian...
RtsWillH1Mself
Doesn't mean he's lying though. We just don't know, and that's my point. You can't let what you feel about him blind you.
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
"Man who needs aid for his country says he didn't feel pressured by the demands of man who has control over said aid." Totes reliable.
RtsWillH1Mself
Well there's nothing saying he feels that way.. so...
Selendrile
He stopped aid two days before......
RtsWillH1Mself
I'm not saying it's not suspicious. That's LIKELY the case. But no one is confirming that it's direct correlation, unfortunately.
Raecracy123abc
A muthfucking poet ^ right there. in a 140 characters I couldn't say it any better.
RtsWillH1Mself
@OP
TyDugganWrites
I mean, I would say that if the other guy in that conversation was investigated for election tampering & collusion with my biggest enemy.
TyDugganWrites
Ukraine has a LOT to lose here, not just a president.
RtsWillH1Mself
For sure. But due process is due process. If he's proven guilty, I'll say he's out. I don't know if that's going to happen though
crojohnson
So far we have "misuse of national security apparatus to cover up what looks like solicited election interference" and it's day 1.
mardukkur
What do you mean IF? It's all there in black and white!
RtsWillH1Mself
You really think he will be impeached? Like REALLY think that? C'mon, the Senate will let him fly
lordtzar
Investigated for YEARS and NOTHING found.
Jacksaw
a lot was found*
RtsWillH1Mself
Plenty was found, nothing we can prove that breaks his oath though.
DarkSock
racontage
He's indeed full of shit !
technitium
That aint chocolate, thats doo doo baby
Varimothras
What's all this.. chocolate on your face?!
DrForester
Washington Post also has a nice write up that debunks the right wing talking points about Biden. https://wapo.st/2mGvTTt?tid=ss_tw
dude1990
Hunters hiring was not to curry favor? Biden didn’t brag about getting the prosecutor fired?
Cheomesh
Probably was. Kid's a coke-head.
Boller36
The prosecutor that Biden “bragged about” firing was not investigating Burisma. (If you don’t know what that is, you need to read up more.)
DrForester
Story, it makes clear the the investigation into company was over before the prosecutor was fired. Please read before replying in future.
FliLiekAnEnjel
You don't see a problem of a foreign politician pressuring you to fire one of your guys? Lol... You guys...
FliLiekAnEnjel
Keep believing your WP, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and at the same time claim infowars are liars... ROFLMAO
dude1990
So he wasn’t hired to curry favor at all?
th3guy
They may have thought they would get favor by hiring him. But if they did the fruits of their labor didn’t materialize.
keillrandor
Nope - hired for expertise in dealing with specific types of regulations that the company knew they were going to face.
Boshanks
Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha!
dude1990
I need to ask you this. How would Warren be better for the economy than Trump?
V1K1NGFVNERAL
The economy is fine, the economy isn't the only issue, and the economy doesn't mean Trump is above the law.
dude1990
The economy is always the issue
DrForester
Trump sends the market into upheaval with angry tweets. Anyone would be better.
dude1990
So, stopping fracking. Breaking up any company over 1 billon, 60% middle class tax for healthcare. All would be better than now?
JupitersWitch
Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos. FYI
ShlongaDonga
Who is actually benefiting HUGELY from Trumps corporate tax cuts and rebates. 0% paid in taxes and $128 mil refund in 2018
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Yes, parrot those Trump talking points, good, good
angrytaco
They are still one of the most reliable sources of information available
Cheomesh
Correct.
DrForester
OK. That has nothing to do with the accuracy of the story, but thanks for the unrelated fact.
JupitersWitch
It most certainly does. It’s an extremely biased news outlet.
Cheomesh
Being as Bezos is a billionaire, shouldn't he be a Trump guy?
DrForester
OK. The Bloomberg story YOU LINKED TO, also has the investigation ending before the prosecutor was fired.
TyDugganWrites
I love this. Most of the noise against Biden is just that, noise. It's not just WaPo. NPR, BBC, even Al-Jazzera have all debunked this.
TyDugganWrites
Mind you, he's a shit candidate this time around, but the Hunter Biden story is one of many pieces of spaghetti thrown, hoping for stick.
H3xfly
1/2I believe the right wing loonies (not the reasonable adults) call that a "nothing burger" no? I love when fringe vocab comes back to bite
H3xfly
2/2 The people who coined the term in their ass. It's the best. Don't care if it's a dem or rep, it's the best when it happens.
HulkSm4sh
The leaning political views of all of the mentioned debunkers are the bothersome part. This whole thing will kill Biden's bid.
gaaaaalavant
He's already polling behind Warren. I'm not too upset.
TyDugganWrites
.... good >_>
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Why all the downvotes? People in usersub don't like to read?
Mozart49
It is a long read though.
TheBalls
I mean.. Maybe they just didnt like the post?
prepeymad
Precisely
EirikurDC
Probably because this is so biased it can hardly be called reporting
3PiecesOfBread
People read on the internet?
JesusLover
Politics man and Idk about anyone else but just seeing Trumps face makes me physically ill. Good post though.
confanity
More like, there are a lot of right-wing trolls there.
Stuckinclass
Trump supporters are going reeeeeee
ctzn07
wheel goes around and around. Local audience might enjoy this circus but rest of the world is kinda fed up with the speculations...
GraeYstaG237
Trump supporters or simply some ignorant americunts
Attaroo
To be fair, there are a lot of bots and ignorant foreigncunts.
Azurestar
Lot of folks are BIG fans of Mr Trump. They don't seem to like being told he might have done something bad. SPeaking from experience.
DrForester
The Holy Trump Cult Of Latter Day Twats hates facts on principal.
SomeGrayFox
Russian trolls be downvoting.
ColoneISanders
I mean, if they're Trump supporters you're probably right
TheMadOnion
Usersub tends to be a bit more right. So anything Trump negative usually gets downvoted pretty fast.
RTBackup
With at least 22 downvotes every time. Usually in less than 5 minutes.
Veraatje01
To be fair, I'm not a fan to begin with but political posts drain my soul. I can understand down voting negative Trump posts to an extent.
Veraatje01
Because Trump is fucking everywhere... Get out of my feed, brexit and Trump!
Bruhbeans
It's a tactic. The_Donald moved into usersub long ago. Imgur has the perfect mechanism for them to stop anti Trump posts
Dinodude65
Politics is a disease.
TanDumpLord
And definitely doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form.
ButterfaceTaintClown
BrushesofDoom
Are a *
ProjectSatan
unfortunately it affects you
ashgrave
Posting it in a Meme site does nothing however. This shit can be posted on Facebook.
Dinodude65
Thank you.
ProjectSatan
people are seeing it. same as anywhere else.
ashgrave
People don't get on imgur to discuss fucking politics, it's a mother fucking meme site. There is more to life than political shit.
Bstone1
Usersub rising tends to lean further right
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
First 10 votes matter more than the next 100 votes. https://blog.imgur.com/2013/04/10/virality-scores-user-submitted-images
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Combination of bots, pro Trumpers, and apathetic people who just hate politics.
Hongkongcav
It could just be people are tired of bein bombarded with political stuff on imgur, so that's why it's bein downvoted
ButterfaceTaintClown
of only there was some way to move on swiftly from one post to the next.
TyDugganWrites
Honestly, if people liked my ukulele stuff and music posts I’d be happy. But I never get much. :/
Hongkongcav
Ok so wasn't right back cuz work messed me up, but I really like those posts! You should do more
Hongkongcav
And that's a shame cuz I would love to see more of that. Brb gonna go look at your stuff right now
stimpsonjcatt
Looks like today is a new day for you. Keep it up.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Yeah... The same 20 "users" that pile on the downvotes in the first few minutes after any vaguely anti-trump post appears in Usersub/Rising.
RalinStorm
this isn't true and this doesn't happen. Anything pro or even neutral about trump is downvote bombed, not the opposite.
Bruhbeans
Yeah they have some sort of notification system. They downvote, don't comment and leave the post to die
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Also, the first 10 votes matter more than the next 100 votes. https://blog.imgur.com/2013/04/10/virality-scores-user-submitted-images
Hongkongcav
Well since we don't know who voted either way n for what reason, all we can do is assume
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Imgur knows.
RTBackup
Good ol' Usersub Donald Trump Defense Force.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
It’s popularity is second only to the Biden/Warren ticket
MisterSmithster
Trump supporters. Every post you yanks post, a whole bunch of people are there to downvote and wank off his tiny orange peen.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
MisterSmithster
Behold! The 20 teeny orange peen wankers!
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
First those early votes count A LOT MORE than later ones. https://blog.imgur.com/2013/04/10/virality-scores-user-submitted-images
RickyIWannaGoFastBobby
Tiny peen for tiny hands.
GambitLW
Those trump supporters would suck his dick as he’s being led away in handcuffs.
Zugzy
There's also a ton of political bots rn in User Sub
mialynneb
Twitter is a shit show right now with bots. They're always bad, but when shit stirs up, it's show time.
Qualtagh
I was wondering why this sort of thing wasn't showing up on the FP any more. We used to regularly talk about US politics.
boopitybapity
That’s kinda sketch. Who makes the boys?
boopitybapity
Bots
DeltaByte
Amazon.
TyDugganWrites
I never post anything with an expectation of high votes. I do always hope that I inform at least 1 person.
YangKoete
And you're very good at writing. Thank you so much.
MisterLemons
Ignore them. People don't like information, they like conclusions that agree with them.
frankenmullet22
You done good op. This is a good post, downvoters are either trump can do no wrong people, or 15 year olds that think imgur is for
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Your generalization is humorous
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frankenmullet22
Reposting memes from facebook only
TyDugganWrites
frankenmullet22
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
As on older dude I've no faith in any media as un biased. Any source pro/con needs a healthy dose of skepticism. Many are drinking the water
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
2 internet media is the primary source. Today we are suffering from the village idiot syndrome. No one is pursuing details and no one 3
MomKevinjustfelloutofthecar
3 is authentic. It's just the way things are today. I accept this.
skullified
This gave me a much clearer understanding of this whole mess, so thank you!
RalinStorm
OP either lied or is misinformed. call happened before the military aid which ruins most of this russiagate 2.0 conspiracy.
TyDugganWrites
Ur lying: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764453663/pentagon-letter-undercuts-trump-assertion-on-delaying-aid-to-ukraine-over-corrup
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
If you're playing along at home, congrats you found the Russian shitposter!
azazyel
I'm just glad they're finally doing it. The process is more important than political power.
smashpro1
Hard to believe this is what it took. Threatening the son of a rich white man.
smashpro1
Not the collusion with Russia. Not the dozen attempts to obstruct the investigation into collusion.
smashpro1
Not throwing children into literal concentration camps. Not attempting to steal billions of dollars from the military for a vanity project.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
When the Nixon impeachment started, there were about 19% of people in favor of it. There are already over 35% in favor of impeaching Trump.
TheSilverFuller
But was there as much vitriol then as there is now? I'm not against it per se, but the media having pushed this since he was elected seems>>
TheSilverFuller
like it would have something to do with the massive support behind it.
LychFinderGeneral
But Nixon wasnt actually impeached, was he? I cannot quite remember. Would he have been?
duckswithfedoras
He was in the process of being impeached, but then he resigned before the charges completely went through.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
No, he stepped down before the impeachment procedures could be finished. Don't think Trump would do the same. Wouldn't be surprised if (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
he told his supporters to start Civil War 2.0 or something before he'd let that happen. (2)
11thstalley
Nixon resigned so that he wouldn’t face the humiliation. Trump is so narcissistic, he can’t be embarrassed. He can’t even admit a mistake.
jd23264
Good read.but why was Biden's son getting 50k a month on a no show job while his dad was VP and we were propping up Ukraine against Putin?
bigsteve31sk8
Trump gets money for a no show job. He golfs most of the time.
chiefcoyote
Simply put, because rich people in power do what they want. Bribe their way into schools or jobs. The normal corruption stuff. Doesn't/
chiefcoyote
Change what was said and asked for. Both parties need to be held responsible. Trump has been abusing his office power since he/
chiefcoyote
Took office. He shouldn't be in at all. I am also slightly concerned about the server he mentioned. What's on it? Damning evidence that he/
chiefcoyote
Wants destroyed, or just more dirt on others. Why even mention it when he did?
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Well, the entirety of American foreign policy has been stuff like this. But it's different from actually siding with other countries
TigerThong
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/
Boller36
I mean 4 of trump’s kids or in-laws work in the executive branch, also US aid is not charity it is intended to benefit the US. For example
Boller36
Every 1,000 the US spends in Central America produces 50,000 worth of savings on border control spending.
Boller36
Source: I was literally in a house foreign affairs committee hearing yesterday listening to them talk about this, I’ll post a link to the
Boller36
Video if y’all want it
disabledwerewolf
Because that company was involved in corruption and wanted to try to shield themselves from investigation by hiring a big name.
bobwilson1977
Because he was acting as a consultant. Not exactly rocket science
NewtGinGrinch
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/sep/23/president-donald-trump-ukraine-biden-whistleblower
StewedTomaters
Because he was giving them advice on multinational regulations? Because he was employed at a law firm retained by the company and had
StewedTomaters
already worked for them once as a consultant doing just that? He was on the board, how is that a no-show job? Because his business partner
StewedTomaters
in a consulting firm had come on the board also? It's not a beautiful thing, but family members of high-ranking government officials get
StewedTomaters
brought into international firms all the time, sometimes to sniff around policy decisions, sometimes because they're competent at what they
StewedTomaters
do.
clintbacca
We were propping up Ukraine cause they're a sovereign country and Putin wants to get the USSR band back together.
clintbacca
Biden's son getting pizzaid reeks of nepotism, but that's still different from leveraging your aid $ for re-election help.
abidikgubidik
That's what board of directors do. They get paid to attend meetings once a quarter. Pretty common, really
Iamaperson1166
Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout. Why do you see a report about criminal wrongdoings and immediately start thinking about something else?
BaronSpaghetti
Psst. He’s the “establishment candidate”. Nobody really likes him but they’ll make sure he’s the one. Afterward they’ll blame everyone else.
Seanspeed
Who is 'they'? The DNC hasn't made any explicit support of any candidate. Stop spouting baseless bullshit.
BaronSpaghetti
Riiiiight. No favoritism at all! None. All in my head. Just like before.
Seanspeed
It really is. You just 'feel' it's probably true, even though there's literally jack shit to support it.
BaronSpaghetti
Same corporate trough. Sorry. I follow issues and track records not personalities or identities. Yeah. I’m an extremist.
BaronSpaghetti
Same campaign manager, tactics, and track record from the same corporate stooges who triangulated the loss of the working class.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Right now it looks like a normal case of "important father uses his influence to get his crotch goblin an important job he doesn't deserve".
Jenvas
so the standard way the elite takes care of their brood
disabledwerewolf
I think it's actually a bit opposite. Like son has important father and uses his name to get job he doesn't deserve. The Biden Ukraine //
disabledwerewolf
// scandal seems pretty fabricated at this point. Still hurts to have the name Biden and Corruption in the news constantly though which //
disabledwerewolf
// is why Trump and advocates keep repeating it. They know the facts don't matter just the headlines.
dmitriid
A good question. And why GOP wasn’t all over this. They did 6 investigations into Benghazi and none into this?
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
Because the Republicans, of all people, don't want to set a precedent of taking down failsons.
JoeBobBriggs
The Obama administration hid the records of this for years. It only came out cause Biden admitted to blackmailing Ukraine.
RogerTwoThree
Lies
disabledwerewolf
How do you think Biden blackmailed Ukraine? Because he didn't.
JoeBobBriggs
In his own words he demand the firing of an investigator or they would not get 6 billion in military aid they need cause Russia has Crimea.
JoeBobBriggs
Same investigator was looking into an energy company that Biden's son was on the board of directors for.
StewedTomaters
Okay, I see your source of info is You fucking Tube, so here goes: 1 The energy firm you're talking about had been under investigation since
StewedTomaters
2012, and it was already known they were knee deep in shit by 2014, when Hunter joined its board, following his business partner. It was
StewedTomaters
owned by a former official of the Yanukovich government (who was ousted during the Orange Revolution, and a corrupt MFer). The owner was
StewedTomaters
2: The prosecutor's deputy has said publicly that Shokin had shelved the investigation into the firm. Shokin himself came out today and said
StewedTomaters
of his investigation into that company, Hunter Biden did nothing wrong or illegal under Ukranian law.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Nope.
clutch2999
https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1176872944347353089
V1K1NGFVNERAL
This lying bitch? Kick rocks.
LightStriker
Source?
JoeBobBriggs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
LightStriker
Looks pretty obvious then. I still think Biden is Hillary 2.0 and should stay off any elected duty.
JupitersWitch
Biden was “ordered” to withhold a loan if Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor investigating his son. Technically he had “permission.”
Darksnider05
So disturbed how you missed that prosecutor was fired for not prosecuting and came out with the complete opposite information.
Jineapple
The prosecutor wasn't investigating his son. He was actually fired for being *too lax* in corruption investigations. And that's coming from
Jineapple
several countries, the UN and so on, not just from the US/Biden.
Navrodel
The prosecutor that Biden got fired already suspended investigation into JRs company, and was supposedly replaced with a less corrupt one.
Navrodel
Replacing that prosecutor increased the chance of his son being under fire in corruption investigations. Theoretically.
brassmule
Navrodel
The only reference to those quotes I could find come suspiciously after Biden's announcement of a Presidential bid. Meanwhile articles from>
Navrodel
the time reference that the US wasn't the only one pushing for him to be removed, due to being ineffective or corrupt himself.
brassmule
It comes from Shokin's sworn testimony in a legal case in Austria from 2017.
starnixgod
You're not finding any because it wasn't reported on in the English media. Search kp.ua for Віктор Шокін
Selendrile
Corruption. What Trump did was stupid/wrong but Biden and son are still guilty of corruption.
disabledwerewolf
Biden isn't guilty of anything. What is it that you think he did?
RogerTwoThree
Wrong, chump.
Seanspeed
But they aren't. The story is bullshit. You're peddling right wing propaganda, ffs. Just like in 2016. This country is full of morons.
Selendrile
What Biden did is still corruption.
CharliePapaBravo
It's sad, isn't it.?
thewordofthedayis
You got that backwards, sport
Selendrile
Nope, and if that was the case, this is exactly what Hillary did to Trump in 2016, so if it was corruption, shy isn't she in jail for this?
thewordofthedayis
Hillary didn't do anything to Trump in 2016, and was never found to have done anything corrupt. You're just a loudmouthed idiot
Selendrile
the steele dossier was Hillary asking another foreign country for dirt on Trump. It's exactly what Trump did.
TigerThong
lol the king of corruption is being ignored because of your silly bias
Selendrile
No, there is no Bias. I call out Trump as well as Pelosi and Biden and Clinton, and anyone else who is fucking corrupt it's not about TEAMS.
CharliePapaBravo
Cool, investigate Biden and Trump and hold them accountable.
Selendrile
Exactly. There are bigger things they could ACTUALLY get him on like Emoluments and Yemen Genocide but they're playing footsie with this
Selendrile
and it would do NOTHING because they don't want to do anything. They don't care Trump is in, they actually prefer it. They can Fauxresist.
mardukkur
What a silly lie. Biden did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever.
igooutsidesometimes
Regarding this in particular, yes.
Selendrile
Getting paid by gas board, is pay to play by VP, when he has 0 exp of being on board or gas or anything. That's corruption.
mardukkur
Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of Amtrak by George Bush where he served as a Director from 2006 to 2009, you ignorant wingnut hack.
Selendrile
Using Biden's Name, Dishonourably Discharged for Cocaine, getting paid for being on Gas board, pay to play with Gas/Biden, when he has 0 exp
mardukkur
Keep on fucking that chicken.
Selendrile
His nephew profiting on iraq contracts, & biden using VP status telling ukraine to stop investigating hunter. okay.. yea no corruption there
Selendrile
Just because Trump is a corrupt moron doesn't mean Biden isn't.