Contrary to popular belief, the "human remains" in Pompeii are not petrified bodies, rather, they're made out of plaster that's been poured into the molds that the decayed bodies left in the volcanic ash?
This is true and the faces are all carved out by hand to enhance viewer experience and make the audience relate more to the victims. Harsh but effective! Cavities in the rock are still real tho so
An artist made that decision. They were told to depict this process for educational purposes, had to choose composition and then decided "Yes. Butt funnel."
What happened to the remains of the person's body? It was incinerated by the hot ash which fell around it, but with no outlet, where did the burnt meat go? Are there bones inside these plaster casts. Are there shrunken, mummified bodies inside the plaster casts?
Could happen again. They have had over 1000 small earthquakes in the Naples area recently. Amazing place. Pompei horse. The brown bits at the head and leg are bone.
And depending on the conditions and a bunch of other variables, the bones might be gone too. Or they might not be. Lots and lots of variables involved, after all.
Some of the plasters do contain the bones of the victims. I saw the exhibit a few years back and the museum staff told us that. You can actually see the skull of one person, absolutely haunting.
I recommend the Fayum portraits for anyone interested in this type of things. They are Roman Egyptian death-masks that consist of panel-paintings that are intended to be life-like depictions of the deceased. Some of them look amazing/realistic & make you realize that there were absolutely master painters in the period, but their works just don't survive. Others almost look surrealist. Wikiart has them all hosted online, I believe.
Yeah, it really makes me wonder what some of the more impressive paintings patronized by Emperors and Ancient Hellenistic Kings must have looked like. A lot of Roman & Hellenistic mosaics look awesome, but the medium has a harder time with 'realism'... But some of the Fayum Portraits make you take a step back and wonder. Like, the realism here would not be surpassed until the renaissance.
I'll be honest and say that I've never actually thought about it. I've seen the photos and thought as much as: "Impressive that they are that well defined and preserved" but never given much thought to the process.
Apparently when they first started excavating they would discover hollows, after a bit they realised they were of the people encased in ash so started filling them like moulds to get the "people casts".
4th grade took a trip there, teacher told us they got covered in ash that solidified on them, kinda like putting on a mud mask. Reason 9854 why I don't trust the government.
I mean, it is true they were covered in ash which solidified, like putting on a mud mask, but it didn't create a solid form because that would then require it to replace their flesh, which I hope mud masks in your experience also do not do
when you see the surface of bones in some of the remains, teeth where the lips would be, it's super easy to make the initial assumption that something clung to the bodies and hardened like any fossil in the extraordinary conditions of being buried in superheated ash.
Quickly correctable for anybody who seeks to learn more, of course, but those who just take in what they're told and move on, they might not ask the question.
I'm going to make an uneducated guess, when being instantaneously encased in burning ash hands fuse together while the face has nowhere to go and a lot of more liquid to boil away cooling the ash and allowing for more details. Think of it as cooking a whole turkey, the wings dry out to jerky by the time the breast meat is done.
People hide their faces when in danger. It's instinct to help preserve our primary sensory organs and the respiratory tract. So they were more sheltered from the worst of the environmental damage.
KR1570F
store made fossils are fine if you don't have the time for mineralization to happen naturally.
gradya202010
This is how Tool was created
atat23
Been there and I did not know that
quietwalker
Why'd they have to pour the plaster ... in it's ass?
thisiswhyicanthaveanythingnice
How do they know the person was in there before accidentally ruining the cavity digging around?
jtthemediocre
I won't kink shame, but butt chugging cement seems like a bad idea.
jmartkdr
Trinik
There's so much information I take for granted. I always thought the plaster-filled negatives fact was common knowledge.
lehenry
madeejit
What an ash hole.
alwaysupvotefuturama
So. Do they still have SKELLINGTONS inside?
Hexrowe
Yes! Or, well, AIUI some do and some don't. http://pompeiisites.org/en/pompeii-map/analysis/the-casts/
dustygamedev
N3B123
I literally believed they were bodies that were covered in ash and chiseled out using so kind of delicate technique.
lazybuthappy
What are you doing, steparcheologist
Grimmrog
You seem to be stuck, I just gonna fill you up.
UnoriginalPieceOfRepeatingShit
Was completely unaware of this
lurkyouallnightlong
lurkyouallnightlong
Going out with a bang!
epicjim
And the plaster altered the chemistry of the bones so they could not be tested scientifically.
Rendova
Plaster of Perish
GeneralWho
scoutMoonDiver
SwedenAndersson
This is true and the faces are all carved out by hand to enhance viewer experience and make the audience relate more to the victims. Harsh but effective! Cavities in the rock are still real tho so
IAmZephyre
"Sir, where are you putting that funnel? Sir?!"
siggz696968
An artist made that decision. They were told to depict this process for educational purposes, had to choose composition and then decided "Yes. Butt funnel."
ToasterDent
Is that title a rhetorical question?
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
What happened to the remains of the person's body? It was incinerated by the hot ash which fell around it, but with no outlet, where did the burnt meat go? Are there bones inside these plaster casts. Are there shrunken, mummified bodies inside the plaster casts?
Zahnradfee
The burnt meat was eaten by bacteria eventually. Bones can be inside those cavities.
awevans1415
Could happen again. They have had over 1000 small earthquakes in the Naples area recently. Amazing place. Pompei horse. The brown bits at the head and leg are bone.
beemarr
And depending on the conditions and a bunch of other variables, the bones might be gone too. Or they might not be. Lots and lots of variables involved, after all.
meloncauly
That's...worse, though.
SavageDrums
I was just there in August. One of the coolest places I have ever been, if you have the chance I could not recommend it more!
KAPTKipper
and I found the weather so hot. Stay Hydrated!
SavageDrums
They have water taps all over the place there. Not just trying to sell overpriced water.
InternetPeasantry
A little less than 2000 years ago, it was one of the hottest places.
BuickRiviera
Pompeii… so hot right now 🔥
twatburglar
Some of the plasters do contain the bones of the victims. I saw the exhibit a few years back and the museum staff told us that. You can actually see the skull of one person, absolutely haunting.
Baron29
I would assume pretty much all of the casts contain a pile of bones at the bottom.
ShooterMcGrabbin
I recommend the Fayum portraits for anyone interested in this type of things. They are Roman Egyptian death-masks that consist of panel-paintings that are intended to be life-like depictions of the deceased. Some of them look amazing/realistic & make you realize that there were absolutely master painters in the period, but their works just don't survive. Others almost look surrealist. Wikiart has them all hosted online, I believe.
ShooterMcGrabbin
e.g. (&excuse my spelling mistakes above, it was very early in the morning)
Eristicrat
Damn, you're not kidding
ShooterMcGrabbin
Yeah, it really makes me wonder what some of the more impressive paintings patronized by Emperors and Ancient Hellenistic Kings must have looked like. A lot of Roman & Hellenistic mosaics look awesome, but the medium has a harder time with 'realism'... But some of the Fayum Portraits make you take a step back and wonder. Like, the realism here would not be surpassed until the renaissance.
ReturnOfActionCheese
That's why they don't move or make sounds
HapilyDamaged
but they make good company. great listeners.
Kewlspyder
Heisanevilgenius
That's why your robot didn't work
ToasterDent
That's why they don't move or make sounds *often*
TrixiMorgan
thundercamel6
Was going to post the angels. Thank you for doing it already
skipweasel
Is that a popular belief? I've never encountered it before.
crapolacoaster
Me. I thought volcano turned them to stone. Maybe they were replaced with lava idk
WeaselBandit
I'll be honest and say that I've never actually thought about it. I've seen the photos and thought as much as: "Impressive that they are that well defined and preserved" but never given much thought to the process.
MatthewJohnsona
Apparently when they first started excavating they would discover hollows, after a bit they realised they were of the people encased in ash so started filling them like moulds to get the "people casts".
marsgoose
4th grade took a trip there, teacher told us they got covered in ash that solidified on them, kinda like putting on a mud mask. Reason 9854 why I don't trust the government.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
I mean, it is true they were covered in ash which solidified, like putting on a mud mask, but it didn't create a solid form because that would then require it to replace their flesh, which I hope mud masks in your experience also do not do
Nahthatsbullshit
I was told this myth by my grandparents as a child and didn't think about it again until decades later when I ran into an internet post like this one.
BishlamekGurpgork
when you see the surface of bones in some of the remains, teeth where the lips would be, it's super easy to make the initial assumption that something clung to the bodies and hardened like any fossil in the extraordinary conditions of being buried in superheated ash.
MatthewJohnsona
This just answered a question I had. Thank you.
BishlamekGurpgork
Quickly correctable for anybody who seeks to learn more, of course, but those who just take in what they're told and move on, they might not ask the question.
Tuomir
Technically, casts and molds are a form of fossilization, it's just usually a natural process.
oldpotatoes
Guess you just aren't popular, new girl, good luck getting on cheer squad!
jqubed
I don’t know what this clip is from and I can’t tell if that’s Margot Robbie or Jamie Pressly
kindofabigdeal
Jamie Presley, “not another teen movie”
prodigiousballs
right in the ash
foucault100
Aforaseem
Spacereverend
Aforaseem
stingraysds
Ash to mouth
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
Never go ash to mouth
Ja5per
schmau
Aforaseem
Chair5768
in9119iwas
fill that hole with your plaster
Canofminus
It’s gonna burn a bit.
bacononbacon
Filling their ash holes
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
I did know that.
DemSumBigAssRidges
And you didn't tell anyone? Asshole.
jjw9
“TIAK = Today I Already Knew”
InnocentValley
This was one of the things I was absolutely obsessed about as a child so yes, I knew too.
PartTimeViking
And knowing is half the battle.
Thanshin
The other half is extreme violence.
masterbot
I think they told us that as kids in school in canada , maybe I just remeber it because I love history
UnexpectedDildoOnAShelf
I know it now.
Zreen
I will know it...
arnitenos
I've forgotten it already...
Paullovespizza
IWantToHugEveryCat
Qpnao
I will have forgotten it soon
UnexpectedDildoOnAShelf
I'll have Will forgetting it.
Henders89
So... how come the lava smoke with hot enough to not leave the hands detailed... but the nose and lips made the cut? Can somone explain for I?
PrincessWendyB
It looks to me as if whoever dug him out added some facial detail
Hangman11
Someone took artistic freedom.
ProgeriaProstitutes
I think it's more difficult for the plaster to fill the fingers and toes
jjw9
It is an impromptu mould, but we see this in deliberate investment castings all the time.
The features of the face are part of the larger void formed by the head. The fingers are part of smaller voids formed by the hands
Smaller voids are far more prone to getting clogged up with debris in the moulds, blocking the casting material from entering / filling.
DadeCrashOverrideMurphy
He was a criminal - stole bread. Thus no hands.
Henders89
Nooooo!!! Why you go there!
SteveTheEgg
I'm going to make an uneducated guess, when being instantaneously encased in burning ash hands fuse together while the face has nowhere to go and a lot of more liquid to boil away cooling the ash and allowing for more details. Think of it as cooking a whole turkey, the wings dry out to jerky by the time the breast meat is done.
RekyTheNeko
Well thats a mental image. :p
Rubblebubble
People hide their faces when in danger. It's instinct to help preserve our primary sensory organs and the respiratory tract. So they were more sheltered from the worst of the environmental damage.
RyuRichmond
Iconoclast burns the fingers and small details off
Henders89
Yes!! Which is why i ask about the lips and nose
MachinatioVitae
Do you mean pyroclastic flow? Or do you think attacking cherished beliefs or institutions burns your fingers?
schmoo38
lol
RyuRichmond
Yes I do actually think that, human history is evidence of that.
Redyls
mockingbird75
Too soon!!!
NeedPizzaAsap
MrHappySmiles
Usable elsewhere! Zing.
GiantSquanchy
Gorglax9
zwielichtengelchen
Yeah I'm not falling for that.
powerrangerpl
For the uninitiated.
twsx
majorserenity
First time I saw this I was just high enough to find it so funny that I nearly died.
OpossumJesusHasRisen
A Talus's reaction any time he fights me in TOTK.
SJSHARPei
This meme is making me think spicy foods
TheExpensiveBikeRide
He’s done this 47 times!
SledgeGTR
Lazuto!
Infinias
Hello!
MapleSyrupMafia
Oh no!
MyNameIsPer
Sends his regards.... *Gunshots*
sillyDad
48
Thejamesconner
49
anSSLerrorhasoccuredandasecureconnectiontotheservercannotbemade
It seems such an obvious meme reaction image yet here I sit. Surprised and aroused.
ArtsAndDrafts
Surproused?
NotJackieDaytona
Tony Lazuto says hello 🔫
mikeatike
So, have you said hello to all those people on my list? How are they doing?