It is violent if it can be blamed on a single person.
It is not violent otherwise. It's just the way things are. Too complicated to change, right? Might as well ignore it and hope it works out. Ignore the annual super yacht owners new year's bash. Its unrelated.
Grandpas in the 2070s: Back when I was young, during the great toilet paper crisis of 2026, we tied a rag around a stick to wipe our butts. Today’s spoiled brats with their three seashells have no idea what pain in the butt feels like.
It is violent to choose not to bear an accidental pregnancy. It is not violent to prevent thousands of women from receiving life-saving medical care, murdering them through medical negligence. It is violent to protest ICE. It is not violent to shoot people at protests, severely maiming or killing them. It is violent to resist fascism. It is not violent to rape kids in concentration camps.
I don't believe so. I recall seeing somewhere that it accounted for 3% of toilet paper, but not sure if that was regional or national, or just this company's stock.
Hey look it's Fox News. BLM was a 'violent' while summer of 'violence', 'violently' harming buildings with 'violent' graffiti. But hurting officers, breaking in with zip ties, being masked and killing people. That's just 'law and order' and those against it are 'terrorists'. See you get a set of moron networks backed by oligarchs and down becomes up.
It is only the rules if you are willing to obey them. The rich make the rules but the rich are few, the poor are many, and the many once they realize they can make the rules the rich will be running in fear or die.
I submit, that it is violent to throw TP rolls at starving, freezing, homeless Puertoricans after a devastating storm, for no other reason than virtue signalling.
The question of what's violent or not isn't the question that should be asked. Burning down a warehouse is a violent act. The question that should be asked is "was it wrong?" In this case, with no one physically hurt or killed, I say no it isn't. The mega corporations and the billionaire owners won't be swayed by nonviolent means anymore. They're too big and powerful to be changed by things like boycotts or protests.
My lil sister travelled to the US, back in the early naughts. My parents are medicos, here in Australia. They sent her off with a very comprehensive 1st aid kit, inc antibiotic ointment. She needed said ointment in the first month she was in Utah. $7 in Oz, $125 in the US. Your system has been fcuked for a LONG time.
Antibiotic ointments like Neosporin are over the counter and cost like $5 for a tube even today. They were cheaper in the early aughts. What did your sister need that was $125? https://www.walgreens.com/q/antibiotic+ointment
The only things (TOPICAL, as opposed to a pill or injection) that require something stronger than Neosporin would be VERY rare like impetigo or MRSA. I highly, highly doubt someone who just arrived in the USA managed to get an MRSA infection within a month. That's rare enough that nobody I've ever met has ever mentioned needing a topical prescription antibiotic ointment.
And even IF you needed a prescription topical antibiotic for a very RARE bacterial skin infection like MRSA - you can get the most popular and most prescribed option for a LOT less than $125, so I am calling bullshit. "Mupirocin (2%), typically costs between $10 and $30 for a 15g-22g tube without insurance, often available for as low as $10-$15 with a GoodRx coupon. Popular options like generic Mupirocin are highly affordable, with some pharmacies offering them for around $4 with insurance."
Why? That would have been an awesome day at work! "Bro we ain't doing fuck all to this fire, just keep spraying until the news chopper leaves and then we'll head over to Wendy's"
I dunno... They knew no one was inside, so they weren't worried about loss of life, and they didn't try to enter to save anyone. Seems like the kinda thing these guys live for, and they didn't have to set this one!
If they've got a good union they could use this to get better benefits from the government. "This will keep happening because so many citizens are living below the poverty line. If you want us to keep doing our jobs then you should revisit our pension plans."
Probably more that they had to risk themselves at all. I mean, firefighters are fukin crazy anyway, they intentionally run towards something everyone else runs *away* from, but despite all of them coming out of this fine there was always the risk that one or more might have been injured or even killed. So yeah, I also feel for them, not because they had to work, but because the work is so risky that even a 'simple' fire might be the reason your kids grow up without you.
Someone basically did back when firefighters in a few cities (not all firefighters) were taking a political stand with police on the thin blue line bullshit.
Luckily that fire didn't kill anyone or burn down the homes it was near. Also, now all the employees there may be out of work if KC doesn't feel like moving them to another location m
Honestly thats my problem. One disgruntled, rightfully so but still, employee just cost the lively hood of the entire staff. I cant balance it out in my moral code bc YES they should earn a living wage but like... you really have to be a specific type of self centered asshole to destroy the lives of everyone you work with as well.
To make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. Yes it sucks that people could have died, yea it sucks that people will be out of work, but would you prefer the company continued to underpay their employees? Yea, t he arsonist burned down the jobs, but the company created the circumstances that pushed this poor soul to the edge and over.
Personally, I'd rather be underpaid with the chance of looking for better opportunities than unpaid entirely or dead. Also, KC isn't gonna learn from this one act - their insurance will pay out for damages, they'll raise the cost of goods, increase security in some fashion, and be less likely to give any raises due to budget impacts.
Oh I know why. Imgur users love being mad and want to pretend like this was justified somehow. It is completely indefensible and I wish every one of them a speedy visit from the feds before they're next on the news.
Because the message of the act is entirely justified and some people can't handle the fact that certain actions have an effect outside of their worldview and tend to lash out at those who point them out.
My understanding is most of the workers, including the alleged arsonist, were contractors from agencies or other situations. Many of them will probably be on their way to other "jobs" already (tho still paid a shit wage) .
So while yes, there probably are still people out of s job, it's probably not as bad as it first seems - tho not really any better either.
Fact is people are going to get hurt (economicly or physically) and well have to support them as a community...
Because this is probably only the start. We're reaching a boiling point in this country. If nothing changes for the 99% then the number of people who reach desperation and don't care anymore of the consequences is only going to grow and this will become more and more common
So the rest of us who can need to be ready to help those affected as their neighbors because, if nothing changes, then this will be inevitable
100% this. It’s going to get a lot worse really soon. People even near me are getting closer to this point. I won’t be surprised to hear about similar things in my city.
Dude are you kidding? Firefighters getting dispatched to a real fire react the same way dogs do when you say "walk" in front of them: they get excited zoomies. These firefighters are going to be reminiscing about how much fun they had on that call for years.
Dude, being alive puts us at risk of being injuring and exposes us to carcinogens. Firefighters signed up for the job, they know the risks. I guarantee there's not a single firefighter there that would've rather stayed home.
Upvoted you both because I know some firefighters. They DO get the zoomies, and a huge fire with no casualty risk is all the fun with no downside. And because I care about them, I do worry about the short-term and longterm risks of what they’re exposed to. I won’t feel bad for the firefighters because this was probably the best day for them, but I’ll feel bad for their loved ones.
United denied coverage of one of the pain meds for my dad’s terminal cancer.
He is literally dying and is in constant, seething pain without heavy narcotics. Ffs he’s only got a few months left, but they gave my mom the run around for hours on the phone before finally just saying no.
Those meds are $400 by themselves - before all the other copays. He only got diagnosed a month ago and they’re already out thousands of dollars.
United sent us a bill saying they were denying a test my dad had done as not necessary and said we would have to pay for it out of pocket, he could appeal it if he wanted to...They sent this notice a year after my dad had died, not sure how he was gonna appeal it but if someone finds out let me know.
And some people wonder why the world cheered for Luigi
United was one of my customers at work (no longer, fortunately) and even their procurement people are awful. Awful and stupid - kept cc’ing me on internal emails, took until march to pay an invoice from July….
Remember folks, always ask about the credentials of the doctor - name, state, license number, and specialty. They usually approve everything when this happens or the info is enough to bring to the state and possibly get a resolution that way.
I could be wwwaaaayyyy wrong, but I believe they are talking about asking the insurance denier, who I BELIEVE "requires" a doctor to deny your claim, that is the doctor you ask credentials of. Again it's early, and I'm remembering a fragment of something I may have read, or not...
You hit the head on the nail - always confirm license and specialty, because working out of specialty can be grounds for medical practice suits for both them and the company ;)
I think my mom looked into that and jt wasn’t an option. He’s eating those oxy… somethings… like they’re m&ms
Note: my dad barely drank and was tbe healthiest person I know, so he’s not using them for the high. It’s so he can tolerate being alive while he’s dying
Fairly liberal. There's a pharmacy in every other street, especially in bigger cities. If you can name it, they can probably sell it. If they don't, the one down the street will. And if they don't have it in stock, it's usually a matter of a few hours before they stock it for you, and give you a call when it's stocked.
My dad can barely handle car rides. Not sure a 30 hour round trip is what he needs
And im not sure j want to get chucked in an ice detention camp for memes on my phone found during a tsa/ice screening and have my dad die while Im starving to death
Yes a reliable system of taking a week off of work, buying a burner phone with none of my info on it and traveling only with that, and spending $2,500 all in on travel to and from India to buy medication DOES make more sense than expecting insurance companies to cover the costs
If I buy 6 months of medication up front, and his meds don’t change (which they do, often), and he lives that long, I’d have only spent a few hundred dollars more than paying for the pills here
Should I go there and get the chemo drugs too, and administer them myself? Rather than relying on the world-leading cancer treatment team out of Boston to coordinate these things for him?
I honestly can’t think of any way that could go wrong
theomni
Could have also used the politician who is putting a data center in a neighborhood that is strongly against it and then got his house shot.
MuffinProof
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
It is violent if it can be blamed on a single person.
It is not violent otherwise. It's just the way things are. Too complicated to change, right? Might as well ignore it and hope it works out. Ignore the annual super yacht owners new year's bash. Its unrelated.
MrTimsel
Grandpas in the 2070s: Back when I was young, during the great toilet paper crisis of 2026, we tied a rag around a stick to wipe our butts. Today’s spoiled brats with their three seashells have no idea what pain in the butt feels like.
ForPriestSake
There’s a lot of rebranding of words lately. Particularly terrorist and fraudulent are being used incorrectly
509tigerfish
awholelotofnothin
It is violent to choose not to bear an accidental pregnancy. It is not violent to prevent thousands of women from receiving life-saving medical care, murdering them through medical negligence. It is violent to protest ICE. It is not violent to shoot people at protests, severely maiming or killing them. It is violent to resist fascism. It is not violent to rape kids in concentration camps.
marquettegoldeneagles
Fucking goosebumps.
doctorId
I don't know what the fuck they expect us to do
PikpikCeleriac
They expect us to die.
Ghlargh
Just wondering, did this in any way impact availability of toilet paper in stores?
tzahtman
I don't believe so. I recall seeing somewhere that it accounted for 3% of toilet paper, but not sure if that was regional or national, or just this company's stock.
djangojazz
Hey look it's Fox News. BLM was a 'violent' while summer of 'violence', 'violently' harming buildings with 'violent' graffiti. But hurting officers, breaking in with zip ties, being masked and killing people. That's just 'law and order' and those against it are 'terrorists'. See you get a set of moron networks backed by oligarchs and down becomes up.
orp0piru
>20,000 babies
Tminus1622d
I was expecting music to kick in/beat to drop. This has so much unused potential.
Ritawho
marquettegoldeneagles
Solid reference.
LaurenTarbelArt
HellFireBeardMan
It is only the rules if you are willing to obey them. The rich make the rules but the rich are few, the poor are many, and the many once they realize they can make the rules the rich will be running in fear or die.
Hatlled
Violent is fighting back. Violent is defending/ standing up for yourself and others.
So few are violent these days.
EMHPicardo
SmittyTheTruckDriver
I keep reading this in Big Smoke's voice.
anjeleyezjr
When they fail, yet again, at this very simple thing that any person of any level of decency should do
Eidodk
I submit, that it is violent to throw TP rolls at starving, freezing, homeless Puertoricans after a devastating storm, for no other reason than virtue signalling.
NoodlesDOTExe
hamulusrex
Ok. But why didn't that warehouse not have a sufficient sprinkler system
PikpikCeleriac
Because that would cost more money than just not letting the warehouse set on fire. Something that will certainly never be an issue.
tantallous
it did. the first fire was put out, then the system was turned off for the response team, then he set more fires while it was still disabled
imyourrealdad
It’s just property damage, not violence.
WireWynaut
Hilariously, this is also what the robber barons would call their social murder of their workers.
5thAveSmugglerForHire
The question of what's violent or not isn't the question that should be asked. Burning down a warehouse is a violent act. The question that should be asked is "was it wrong?" In this case, with no one physically hurt or killed, I say no it isn't. The mega corporations and the billionaire owners won't be swayed by nonviolent means anymore. They're too big and powerful to be changed by things like boycotts or protests.
OperatorWay
LincLoud
"Violence can destroy power, it is utterly incapable of creating it" - Hannah Arendt
darkninja2992
Remember, legality and morality are not always the same thing
BranDohCalrissian
They very often are not
OperatorWay
marquettegoldeneagles
We have to have empathy for all vulnerable people.
WireWynaut
And social murder needs to be seen as murder.
CyberHexx
The Rules Fucking suck and must be broken.
eathotdog
Rules and order are for fair and just societies
anjeleyezjr
When the system no longer benefits the citizenry, the citizenry must break the system.
FoxySpirit
I'd rather have them changed. But for that, some breakage must be done.
mindstorm8191
Who decides what the rules are? Who does this country belong to?
EMHPicardo
firlefranz
viasycosis
My lil sister travelled to the US, back in the early naughts. My parents are medicos, here in Australia. They sent her off with a very comprehensive 1st aid kit, inc antibiotic ointment. She needed said ointment in the first month she was in Utah. $7 in Oz, $125 in the US. Your system has been fcuked for a LONG time.
rudejohn
Antibiotic ointments like Neosporin are over the counter and cost like $5 for a tube even today. They were cheaper in the early aughts. What did your sister need that was $125? https://www.walgreens.com/q/antibiotic+ointment
MeestowKitty
I highly doubt they mean Neosporen.
rudejohn
The only things (TOPICAL, as opposed to a pill or injection) that require something stronger than Neosporin would be VERY rare like impetigo or MRSA. I highly, highly doubt someone who just arrived in the USA managed to get an MRSA infection within a month. That's rare enough that nobody I've ever met has ever mentioned needing a topical prescription antibiotic ointment.
rudejohn
And even IF you needed a prescription topical antibiotic for a very RARE bacterial skin infection like MRSA - you can get the most popular and most prescribed option for a LOT less than $125, so I am calling bullshit.
"Mupirocin (2%), typically costs between $10 and $30 for a 15g-22g tube without insurance, often available for as low as $10-$15 with a GoodRx coupon. Popular options like generic Mupirocin are highly affordable, with some pharmacies offering them for around $4 with insurance."
MeestowKitty
Right now. At this time. They said this was in the early naughties. Perhaps these things were more expensive back then.
DustinJL
Only ones I feel bad for are the firefighters.
GenericValue
I don't know a single thing about this, but I feel like a lot of people who were barely surviving now have no income at all because of this.
MAN9000
We can't have jobs without the mob? We can't make money without the criminals?
GenericValue
Not all places have job openings just waiting for people who used to work at a toilet paper factory.
EasierToPrayWhenIMasturbate
Nah, they had fun.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Why? That would have been an awesome day at work! "Bro we ain't doing fuck all to this fire, just keep spraying until the news chopper leaves and then we'll head over to Wendy's"
Lugh314159
I dunno... They knew no one was inside, so they weren't worried about loss of life, and they didn't try to enter to save anyone. Seems like the kinda thing these guys live for, and they didn't have to set this one!
IDLH198
We have a phase for your point. Risk a lot to save a lot, risk a little to save a little. Basically, we don't risk our lives for property.
iusedtodream
Good. I admire hero's but buildings can be rebuilt.
cousteau
Eh, more jobs for them.
BigPLLL
and the trees
jackal12345
If they've got a good union they could use this to get better benefits from the government. "This will keep happening because so many citizens are living below the poverty line. If you want us to keep doing our jobs then you should revisit our pension plans."
DustinJL
(in regards to the warehouse fire, I should clarify! 😅)
EedDaPooPoo
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mindstorm8191
From what I've heard, nobody got hurt in that fire.
Not sure if you mean that, or that the firefighters had to work.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Probably more that they had to risk themselves at all. I mean, firefighters are fukin crazy anyway, they intentionally run towards something everyone else runs *away* from, but despite all of them coming out of this fine there was always the risk that one or more might have been injured or even killed. So yeah, I also feel for them, not because they had to work, but because the work is so risky that even a 'simple' fire might be the reason your kids grow up without you.
CyberHexx
Nobody ever wrote a song called Fuck the Fire Department. Though if we had privatized Fire departments, they absolutely would.
DarkUranium
Well ... this gets pretty close: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346
ViscousCousCous
turns out bigots don't like saving people
Ghlargh
Someone basically did back when firefighters in a few cities (not all firefighters) were taking a political stand with police on the thin blue line bullshit.
DorkJedi
they do make "fuck the fire department" calendars pretty often.
catherinecc
I mean, 2000 years later we still remember fucking Crassus
ForlornFennec
Feels like some folks could do with a reminder, though.
Cptbluebeard7
Luckily that fire didn't kill anyone or burn down the homes it was near. Also, now all the employees there may be out of work if KC doesn't feel like moving them to another location m
Clayman8
Honestly thats my problem. One disgruntled, rightfully so but still, employee just cost the lively hood of the entire staff. I cant balance it out in my moral code bc YES they should earn a living wage but like... you really have to be a specific type of self centered asshole to destroy the lives of everyone you work with as well.
PorneliusHubertII
To make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. Yes it sucks that people could have died, yea it sucks that people will be out of work, but would you prefer the company continued to underpay their employees? Yea, t he arsonist burned down the jobs, but the company created the circumstances that pushed this poor soul to the edge and over.
2074red2074
Luigi didn't hurt any innocent people.
PorneliusHubertII
I see no reporting of anyone physically hurt by this fire either. Financially, sure, some jobs were lost, but no bodily harm.
Cptbluebeard7
Personally, I'd rather be underpaid with the chance of looking for better opportunities than unpaid entirely or dead. Also, KC isn't gonna learn from this one act - their insurance will pay out for damages, they'll raise the cost of goods, increase security in some fashion, and be less likely to give any raises due to budget impacts.
PorneliusHubertII
Yea, I agree, it sucks. But it happened and I will blame the corp for underpaying the arsonist before I blame the arsonist for setting the fire.
NoMuffinsToSpare
Arson is cowardly and reckless. Mangione did it right
dextarrogue
Not sure why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. The message by the arsonist and your statement are both facts.
TheWhiteBarry
Oh I know why. Imgur users love being mad and want to pretend like this was justified somehow. It is completely indefensible and I wish every one of them a speedy visit from the feds before they're next on the news.
Cptbluebeard7
Because the message of the act is entirely justified and some people can't handle the fact that certain actions have an effect outside of their worldview and tend to lash out at those who point them out.
Lynkfox
My understanding is most of the workers, including the alleged arsonist, were contractors from agencies or other situations. Many of them will probably be on their way to other "jobs" already (tho still paid a shit wage) .
So while yes, there probably are still people out of s job, it's probably not as bad as it first seems - tho not really any better either.
Fact is people are going to get hurt (economicly or physically) and well have to support them as a community...
Lynkfox
Because this is probably only the start. We're reaching a boiling point in this country. If nothing changes for the 99% then the number of people who reach desperation and don't care anymore of the consequences is only going to grow and this will become more and more common
So the rest of us who can need to be ready to help those affected as their neighbors because, if nothing changes, then this will be inevitable
Druidhunter77
100% this. It’s going to get a lot worse really soon. People even near me are getting closer to this point. I won’t be surprised to hear about similar things in my city.
keebs63
Dude are you kidding? Firefighters getting dispatched to a real fire react the same way dogs do when you say "walk" in front of them: they get excited zoomies. These firefighters are going to be reminiscing about how much fun they had on that call for years.
ArneLoff
While that is true, they also get exposed to carcinogens and other harmful substances. There is also the risk of injuries.
keebs63
Dude, being alive puts us at risk of being injuring and exposes us to carcinogens. Firefighters signed up for the job, they know the risks. I guarantee there's not a single firefighter there that would've rather stayed home.
WhatTheFrench
Upvoted you both because I know some firefighters. They DO get the zoomies, and a huge fire with no casualty risk is all the fun with no downside. And because I care about them, I do worry about the short-term and longterm risks of what they’re exposed to. I won’t feel bad for the firefighters because this was probably the best day for them, but I’ll feel bad for their loved ones.
yamsonyamsonyams
United denied coverage of one of the pain meds for my dad’s terminal cancer.
He is literally dying and is in constant, seething pain without heavy narcotics. Ffs he’s only got a few months left, but they gave my mom the run around for hours on the phone before finally just saying no.
Those meds are $400 by themselves - before all the other copays. He only got diagnosed a month ago and they’re already out thousands of dollars.
Ask me how I feel about Luigi.
(Id vote for him for president)
Travelcedric
Try one of those online pharmacies from Canada. I don't know how legit it is these days with the danger yam running things but it can't hurt to try
SavageDrums
Luigi is a saint.
PlaceHolderTitle
United sent us a bill saying they were denying a test my dad had done as not necessary and said we would have to pay for it out of pocket, he could appeal it if he wanted to...They sent this notice a year after my dad had died, not sure how he was gonna appeal it but if someone finds out let me know.
yamsonyamsonyams
And some people wonder why the world cheered for Luigi
United was one of my customers at work (no longer, fortunately) and even their procurement people are awful. Awful and stupid - kept cc’ing me on internal emails, took until march to pay an invoice from July….
Bad people top to bottom
LittleAzie
Remember folks, always ask about the credentials of the doctor - name, state, license number, and specialty. They usually approve everything when this happens or the info is enough to bring to the state and possibly get a resolution that way.
yamsonyamsonyams
Which doctor? The prescribing one, the pharmacist, tbe insurance consultants?
GloveFullaVaseline
I could be wwwaaaayyyy wrong, but I believe they are talking about asking the insurance denier, who I BELIEVE "requires" a doctor to deny your claim, that is the doctor you ask credentials of. Again it's early, and I'm remembering a fragment of something I may have read, or not...
LittleAzie
You hit the head on the nail - always confirm license and specialty, because working out of specialty can be grounds for medical practice suits for both them and the company ;)
roughingupthesuspect
Some drug makers have patient assistance programs and will provide drugs free under certain circumstances.
yamsonyamsonyams
If only there were system sherpas who could guide people through all these hoops
Then we could have her Another profitable industry between patients and their care!!!
marquettegoldeneagles
Ok but they are right. Good RX a thing where you are? Still expensive but there are coupons and its a fairly feesable option.
yamsonyamsonyams
Do they do narcotics?
I think my mom looked into that and jt wasn’t an option. He’s eating those oxy… somethings… like they’re m&ms
Note: my dad barely drank and was tbe healthiest person I know, so he’s not using them for the high. It’s so he can tolerate being alive while he’s dying
ckmnstr
Generics from India. I think flying there, stocking up for a year, flying back is cheaper than a month of meds in the US.
smax410
Generics from Mexico. Way closer than India. Also super cheap.
jzbstl
I wonder, do Indian pharmacies recognize US prescriptions, or just very liberal with dispensing drugs?
ckmnstr
Fairly liberal. There's a pharmacy in every other street, especially in bigger cities. If you can name it, they can probably sell it. If they don't, the one down the street will. And if they don't have it in stock, it's usually a matter of a few hours before they stock it for you, and give you a call when it's stocked.
yamsonyamsonyams
My dad can barely handle car rides. Not sure a 30 hour round trip is what he needs
And im not sure j want to get chucked in an ice detention camp for memes on my phone found during a tsa/ice screening and have my dad die while Im starving to death
tentacularfleshscape
Why does he need to come, and get a burner
yamsonyamsonyams
Yes a reliable system of taking a week off of work, buying a burner phone with none of my info on it and traveling only with that, and spending $2,500 all in on travel to and from India to buy medication DOES make more sense than expecting insurance companies to cover the costs
If I buy 6 months of medication up front, and his meds don’t change (which they do, often), and he lives that long, I’d have only spent a few hundred dollars more than paying for the pills here
tentacularfleshscape
I'm not saying it's easy, just addressing the specific objections previously raised. Obviously it's a rough situation with a lot of obstacles
reichtwinglunatic
yup
yamsonyamsonyams
Should I go there and get the chemo drugs too, and administer them myself? Rather than relying on the world-leading cancer treatment team out of Boston to coordinate these things for him?
I honestly can’t think of any way that could go wrong