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So I'm in the bathroom and I hear the robber screaming at the cashier demanding the goods. I look down and notice my radio isn't on me, I took it off in the car. Still had my utility belt though. I slowly open the door just enough to peek outside but I'm in a separated hallway and can't see around the corner. I grab my tazer out of the holster and get ready to peer around the corner. I take a quick look and see two of them, one has a pistol right in the woman's face as the other one raided the register and the cigarettes. She begs for them not to shoot her, pleading not to make her children motherless. Since there's two of them and one of me, I put my bug zapper back in its cage and pull the G17. Not stopping it now. Mind is racing, heart is pounding, sweat beading off my brow.
3..2..1..deep breath.. Go time.
I step from around the corner and announce my presence, ordering the men to the robbers to stop and put their weapons on the ground. The one taking the cigarettes drops behind the counter and hides, while the one with the begins to turns towards me. I squeeze my trigger and the bullet rips through his shoulder. Non fatal shot. But he's down. The kid behind the counter stands up with his hands raised in the air. He proceeds to tell me that he didn't even want to do this but was forced by the other guy. I order him from behind the counter and place him in cuffs. I cuff the guy with a new hole in his arm and keep my gun trained on them. I use the phone behind the register to call for an ambulance and backup. The cashier was so grateful she told me I could get free coffee and a donut anytime she's there.
craftycommando
is THERE A LINK TO A NEWS STORY ABOUT THSI?
GravyHavok
Fucking FFAAKKEE
reineseele
Free Donut & Coffee = IA wants to talk to you...no need for a rep. to attend...just talk yourself out of your job. :)
antivaxisprodisease
MagicUmbrellas
I can make up stories too
chrishallett83
r/thistotallyhappenedyouguysseriouslyforrealsiesiswear
Imnotu
The fact that you grabbed the Tazer first disturbs me. Unknown situation, I'm going for my side arm.
judocop
I don't know why this makes me so mad. @OP is not a cop, but is pretending to be one for Internet points. Feels similar to stolen valor.
chrishallett83
I can't believe you lot are still falling for this idiots bullshit. This guy is a mallninja, not a real cop.
Devante
I don't know... I want to believe but... seems made up as shit.
thiiiiiiiisguy
On behalf of IMGUR police everywhere. This is bullshit.
Nearlyburly
Of course it is. We all know a genuine story would have started with, "So you guys like Police Stories?" and had multiple tidbits to scroll.
Xghtai
The cashier was so grateful she let you steal from the owner?
automaticallymoderated
This. And in many years as a clerk, cop customers NEVER accepted free goods, offered many times. Most said it was forbidden.
automaticallymoderated
This. And in many years as a clerk, cop customers NEVER accepted free goods, offered many times. Most said it was forbidden.
hammyhamm
You were off-duty yet had two sets of handcuffs?
madgodrhinoprime
His wife was expecting him.
ZOOMX5
More holes in this story than shots fired.
SuperJew12
YEP. I cringed at "I cuff the guy with a new hole in his arm and keep my gun trained on them." You holster and secure your firearm (1/2)
gardeningfordickbutt
Calling BULLSHIT.
Orion1030
Tazer in an unknown situation and two sets of cuffs? Sorry, calling BS
IHaveSwagger
Some departments do carry 2 sets of cuffs. And until a weapon is out, there's no need to escalate a situation to lethal force.
Arshem
Here, officers carry 2 sets of cuffs, and zip ties
InfernoTerra
I'm pretty sure every cop does or should carry two. Or at least zip ties.
justcomatose
And then he looked down and his penis was still out from his piss
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
I'd like to believe this is true.
IFoldlyGo
Maybe it happened on the way to Thor's Hammer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcnUD468no
allthenamesaregone
But I don't...
JoeysPlimsoles
amen, I think OP would like it to be true.
FireBreathingStockBroker
Screw the haters OP. I believe this happened and I thank you for what you do.
SomeCrazyNerd
Well I dunno. I never think I can tell.
SuperJew12
Believe what you will, but there are a lot of holes in this story.
Ghostwish
+1 this.
zytrcs
Yes
ProcrastinationInProgress
OP seems to enjoy the whole shooting people part a little too much
Saxxon92
"I'm here to wipe my ass and fuck up a suspect, and I'm all out of toilet paper"
dickb00th
Yeah not really buying it op. Cops don't talk like that..
jackbinimbul
Eh...I grew up with a family of cops. They adjust their patterns of speech for civilians.
Twiddlederf
Ding ding ding
DrSkyhammer
ding ding nope.
Frogthebountyhunter
Bellringer26
rollipukki
Check his other posts, there is like zero chance he is real cop. Somebody is ego tripping in internet.
MeowChikaWowWow
He's not. I'm a cop. He doesn't even have similar verbiage to a LEO
SuperJew12
Haha yeah...."I squeezed my trigger...."
SuperJew12
This guy sounds like someone that applied to be a cop but failed the PT or entrance exam (or both).
SacagaweaSzechuansauce
Mind is racing, heart is pounding, head is sweating, pants are sagging, hands weak, trigger finger ready, moms spaghetti
lext
TunaJr is the real OP.
shadowforcey
I don't know about your uniform, but here it would be unusual to take your radio off, leave it in the car but still have your gun/taser on.
shadowforcey
Also is it normal to take your gun,taser, radio etc home with you? All that normally stays at the station.
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shadowforcey
Yeah, in NZ. Things could be different in the US.
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shadowforcey
Oh ok, I could be wrong then. Still suspicious of this post though, and the language used lol.
burtonvelocity
I thought the first paragraph was going to end in mom's spaghetti.
firefighter26
Fuck, I am going to start adding that to my stories now.
Laylah77
I heard, "Going the Distance" by Cake for some reason.
shethicccc
I was expecting this, and about tree fiddy. Oh imgur has ruined me
aishamaria
ImSorryFriend
I love when underneath a reaction gif there's an old gallery post with comments and stuff, instead of just an unpublished upload. It's neat.
Pacothewondercat
Someone needs to make a behind the gif for this.
BigOChicago
I'm actually a little disappointed it didn't, to be honest. But good job OP!
NATA5
I skim through all these looking for the usual suspect keywords. I don't trust no posts no mo'.
zma123456
I thought it was good to end in three giddy
TheYoungAndAimlezz
same. scrolled down to see if it was three fiddy :D
Conv
yup same
RIKUX3
I read utility belt and was trying to figure out how he was going to end up being Batman.
EnragedCucco
Man I love the trust Imgur has in other users lol
sirlouiz
is this how we become skeptics?
mynameisntcharli
Because of online meme references? Yes.
Jdonkay
Shit op of this is real I honestly, genuinely and from the bottom of my heart applaud your gigantic metal balls
Huge0
The lady gets held at gunpoint, the robber gets shot right in front of her. Reaction? -Thankyou officer you can have free coffee and donut!
NikWyld
I'm sure she said that after all the commotion
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Jdonkay
Is it true?
Jdonkay
Is it true?
Twiddlederf
Whether you believe it or not is up to you. Never a dull day at work. I dont get something like this, but shit happens
DrSkyhammer
SOURCES
biglongandgirthyusername
Hah "shit happens" i see what you did there
GuardsmanMiku
its not that its unbelievable, it just seemed to be writen in the way of a joke paragraph, like one that would end in tree fidey
ILikeYourGlasses
Shit like this is why I go straight home after shift. Good job, brother.
MyHighestRatedCommentsDissappearedSince5YearsAgo
at interesting times apparently
dvapop
I'm going to go ahead and imagine you as a late 90's Bruce Willis type, saving the girl and not killing the asshats. Just amazing.
Pygmyshrew
Link to newsstory. This IS the internet after all. We don't believe everything. Well. Some of us do, BUT NOT ALL OF US!!!
badalalala
This is similar..... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Newark-Police-Involved-Shooting-NJ-Officers-Robbery-Gas-Station-346603182.html
youcantproveit
Good show by the cop. Fuck the author tho. "Isn't clear if the criminals opened fire", not a requirement for use of force FFS. TY for share
Hetuni
You have to at least take Three bullets before you're allowed to draw your weapon and fire, obviously.
JupitersWitch
Either the story is fake or OP doesn't want us knowing who he/she is. My bet is on it being fake.
BigFatJuicyMonkies
And sometimes it happens while you're taking a shit. :^)
Twiddlederf
*always get. And thank you
captainjugwash
Getting free donuts and coffee though now aren't ya! Good effort
didsomeonesayanal
And now we expect a Workstories post or 5 :P
SombreroWieldingLawmaker
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SilentMic
"Later I asked the clerk how much money the robber would have stolen. He said 'about tree fiddy.' And about that time I noticed..."
LiterallyYourMom
And that Loch Ness Monster was Albert Einstein.
m8Turbo
Oh your the real hero here!
InCaseOfStairsUseFire
That would have been fucking hilarious.... but frustrating af
Resurrectionist
A much more likely story than the one OP told.
judocop
Y'all thumb him down, but he's right.
PyroDragon
The clerk was actually a 50-foot-tall crustacean from the Paleozoic Era!
Pandapper
Crustacean?!
sulfuratus
I know right! Most commonly believed to be a plesiosaurus, Nessie would be a member of the Sauropterygia from the Mesozoic era.
sulfuratus
And I know the correct equivalent to Crustaceae in taxonomic terms would have to be Vertebrata, but that just sounds to general.
MrSmilingDeath
Is capable of using terms like "crustaceae" and "vertebrata"...uses the wrong version of "too".
C141Clay
This is where I thought the story was going ????
Nearlyburly
me too
TheManSpider
Funny enough for me, I thought this story was heading for that one Eminem rap
DungeonMaster69
Who the fuck robs a gas station that has a cop car outside
Ace52
As a cop, the only thing i can think of is how i would never shit in any gas station.
DaftTechno
A relative of this Darwin Award winner http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp
gardeningfordickbutt
Calling BULLSHIT on this fake cop wannabe.
nevergonnagivenevergonnagivafuck
Why rob in the first place especially with a weapon. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
It's not cool to do, but I understand the logic of it. Easy money if you get away with it.
Fancyrobot101
Someone with a hole in their shoulder
GetOffMyLawnYa
And his friend.
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tkallday4
Lol your response made me L oh L. You really said cops dont shit at gas stations lmaoo. As if hes not a regular citizen too. IGNORANT
zytrcs
Found the BLM supporter
madgodrhinoprime
What did the commentnsay? He deleted because he feared backlash.
JonestownClassPresident
Are cop dramas your main source of information regarding the police? Sure seems like it.
thedarkcanuck
Damn I wish I knew what the original comment was
JonestownClassPresident
Essentially saying all cops do is falsify records and pull women over to force them into sex.
sonic745
Police usually leave the cars at the station and don't take them home.
VAiSiA
and dont have belt and weapon on them when goin home
unknownSubscriber
Actually many, if not most take their weapon home.
VAiSiA
we live in different countries. not sure about 'murica, friend) isnt it forbidden to take equipment home?
unknownSubscriber
This thread is about an event in the US (or 'Murica, if thats still funny), I felt it was OK to assume we were referring to police in the US
Vaydyn
Friend manages gas station in tiny town/suburb. Only gas station in the area so the local police use it to gas up, get coffee, etc. (1/?))
Vaydyn
Dude tries to rob him as he's chatting with 4 uniformed officers 20 feet away from him. Three older guys all share "WTF" look. (2/?)
Vaydyn
Unfortunately for robber-Dude, officer #4 was the typical young man with an adrenaline addiction. Robber bounced off the tile. Fin
digitalutopia
Worked at a conv. store overnight, in a small town about 40k. Usually an officer or two would stop in, but one night they all decided /1
digitalutopia
to show up for some reason. 3-4 regular squads, plus the K-9 unit. All I could say "I guess I don't have to worry about getting robbed" lol
skeflies
Who poops without their cell phone?
scifinovelist
Do you wipe with it?
ihateregisteringforshitlikethis
Maybe?
KennyKruck
Old people
WhatsUnderMyKilt
I had a guy try to rob my 7-eleven with 2 uniformed cops getting coffee inside. The cops said robbers get tunnel vision sometimes.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
Yup. So do cops. So does everyone in certain situations.
BadReactionToSimochi
Like when going through tunnels.
AfroSamuraiRM
Except for tunnel snakes. Because they rule!
LegoStomper
Had a robbery in my town a few years ago- dude walked right past two uniformed officers IN LINE at the register to try and rob the place.
FuzzyX
Sounds like he missed being in prison to pulled out the "go directly to jail and don't pass go" card.
carolinaguuurl
I would have loved to see the officers' expressions.
Mediumtim
Dramatic reenactment: https://youtu.be/gaUqdIFUbxE
Twiddlederf
I was off work in my personal vehicle
rickeyspanish
every cop I know drives their cop car home to and from work. plus cops are trained to kill not to wound people armed with guns
defaulted
1) you either dont know a lot of cops or 2) you dont get out much or 3) all of the above.
HighrockTendales
Do you normally carry your taser?
0de9f6c0b2
But still in uniform?
MrRandom314159
He could have just gotten off from from and was heading home.
FinValkyria
Literally states he was on his way home from work, so no issues there.
XigTek
I live in a neighborhood with two officers, they tend to come home in personal vehicles with their radios & other gadgetry things.
guinness1717
Not all officers get take home vehicles, it's contingent on the department.
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
Guess he got dressed at home and not the police locker room... is that a thing? Cop locker room?
NiteFury
At The department I interned at they weren't allowed to have a uniform on off duty so they all changed in the locker room
Seekocat
I only dressed in the locker room for about 4 years of my 11. The rest of the time I dressed at home (And drive my own car to and from)
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
That clears it up. Cop locker room is a thing but not everyone uses it
TheSadCafe
Super Troopers says yes. Aside from that I have no idea.
kecker
Depends on the department. It varies. Most have one, some required to use it, some optional to dress at home.
RaptorCav
Please please please supply link to the local TV story about this! It would make for epic reading!
Mischra
W8ting @OP
gardeningfordickbutt
Proof or you are a LIAR.
HereAndSortaQueer
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APieceOfFuckingShit
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ShadowScorch
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frogger347
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Superchao
Even if it is real, I don't think he could share it since it would be an active investigation. He could probably get in trouble for it.
xaero13
'Local cop saves the day while missing a few smears in his pants'
IcedMyself
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alienboy004
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DocTini
Read his other posts, they're all fake as shit
realHephaestos
@OP
ShevanelCutAFlipx
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60FPSDoggo
. (Pls deliver @op)
Cd06771
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SingleFlamingle
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SeanJohnBobbyWTF
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YouAreMyFetish
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FierceDruid
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skulldrinker
Wait, people think this BS is real? Come on imgur... you can do better :(
DrKriegersClone
Yeah, I HIGHLY doubt a cop who shot somebody - even if they did deserve it - running to the internet to post "I did good!".
AtomicPotato7
His account is mostly cop stories
Floshizzle
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DungeonMaster69
He has left us hanging, confirmed BS
qqkikilicious
It might reveal his identity. A police officer with a imgur username as @Twiddlederf ? That'll be an excellent alternative to current news!
Redeyer
This whole post hinges on the response to this
crashdummy35
o.0
fenrir18
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SurfNazisMustDie
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shadowforcey
im calling bs.
HatsAreEssential
You must be new here. OP is a known cop and does awesome story writeups of his adventures.
ThatMicrosoftPaintGuy
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DrSkyhammer
Look at his other posts...... they're all completely bs
yoandhello
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MayThePunsBeWithYou
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tremonti
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Lebiram
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UserNameIsConfusing
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Joutz
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BananaShip
Did you get a chance to wipe? Or were your underpants in for a shitty day.
Redser
Brilliant
mcyr1190
Heh, duty
myotheralt
I'm picturing his pants still down the whole time.
Dashingdane
I know this is the obvious question we all had in mind. But why is it the top comment...
im1nurbase
Thanks man, I was going to ask the same thing. It's the important questions that matter.
circlebreaker
Well, hopefully he didn't shit in the urinal, right?
Barbiesan
This was also my first thought. Thanks for asking for me
Smileyguyx
Some other shit needed wiping first
chingbao
Asking the important questions.
BananaShip
Hey a clean butt is nothing to laugh at.
CopperCoffeeCup
But a dirty one is.
Pattosaurus20xx
dirty cops everywhere hahaha
BananaShip
I know, they're pretty crappy
fenrir18
Dirty "Ass" cops everywhere*
supercalifrajelisticexpealidocious
goddamn this made me laugh. i needed that today. thank you.
Twiddlederf
I was in the middle of wiping. Not my best work, but sufficient
im1nurbase
Ain't nothin as bad as mud butt. Good work tho OP. Pants off to you.
xcrit
How often do you clean your belt? I never wash mine and I poop often. Might be why I get pink eye once in a while.
AlmostRetro
That's me every time.
steptj
Good Job @OP. Thank you for your service. Lots of us out there love and support you guys, even after getting a ticket :)
K592
But did you flush?
StrykersWill
So you're saying Hillary does a better job wiping than you did in this instance?
907JesseJones
Thank you for your service, OP
Josesharlo
Make sure that you sanitize your Glock my friend. I should do that with my G27...poopy germs getting up in there...
RelativeVelocity
I too, favor the glock 27. She's my favorite carry gun, may I never have to use it.
Josesharlo
Same. Taking life is never taken lightly.
2012Jwest
First off This was an awesome story and thank you for your service to your community @OP. It was interesting to get a small glimpse 1/?
2012Jwest
Into what goes through an officers mind before confronting armed assailants. Also with everything in the media it was nice to hear that 2/?
2012Jwest
No one was killed and that you at least considered a less lethal method. Did your department train the shoot to injure > shoot to kill 3/?
2012Jwest
Or was that just your judgement call? Wish I was on mobile so I could message that question just trying to take the opportunity to ask you.
drkepper
nice but you forgot to wash your hands
QuirkyWallace
Thank you for your service. I would love to buy you a new pair anyday.
SchoolOfHardKnockers
Smell that? That's the scent of justice.
Shadowstrikerx10
I dub thee, Officer Shitpants. Go forth, and stop crime.
TheRealDwightSchrute
I bet this lead to a STREAK of arrests.
LynnNexus
I was half expecting this to be a joke story where the fictional officer did all this with his pants down...
bastardInABasket
Did you flush? I'm guessing you were trying to stay quiet, and never flushed.
ItsMeSanders
Love the name sir
LoveHavingRidiculouslyLongNames
I imagine the cashier had a few new stains after that as well.
ringox
http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/parks-and-recreation-sometimes-when-i-poop-andy.gif
renegade0782
Did you finish after?
eatyourmeat
Probably needed to. I would
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I wouldn't have. Since OP was on the way home I would have just showered.
LokiShinigami
I wear red so bad guys cant see me bleed. See this guy gets it, that's why he wore the brown pants today.
VoIdemort
Red isn't so good at masking brown tho
incorporeal5
+1 for Deadpool quote.
KingA0A
I just got this now!?
pyronyzen
Was waiting for the gif.. slightly disappointed, but still satisfied
LokiShinigami
My apologies, I couldn't find my gif for it.
holymoley69
The jobs not complete until the paperwork is done.
LompHoofd
nice!
ekzeko
He finished wiping with it.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
"This is what I think of your paperwork"
allthenamesaregone
Funny, 'cos I still smell a strong hint of bullshit.
Corrodias
Another one makes play for fake internet points by calling a story fake! Will he make the big bucks?! 41 so far. Oh, the suspense!
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Back down to 39 as of me.
SpongebobReferences
I think you may have forgotten to check his/her profile. Seems legit.
Twiddlederf
Go shower then
kadajett
Buuuurrrrrn.
DeadPhish21
Good thing you're a police officer, 'cuz that guy just got straight-up MURDERED, son!! hahaha
Ghostwish
Geezus your aim IS good!
shorgen
Is there a barista in here cus things just got dark!
ObviouslyNotAnFBISurveillanceVanInYourDriveway
lifeisshortsoshutthehellup
Lol, nice!
TheMrBadger
MyNameIsImmaterial
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-61381-gravity-falls-medic-burn-gif-i-Kj3f.gif
NarcissusInc
Why cant I favorite this
roguishdrummer
hammdeezy
Hahah I thought you'd been had. Way to dig your way out of the shit
zma123456
Rekt.
Bluecanaryintheoutletbytheliteswitch
good shit!
fenrir18
Shot*
Yiffer5000
Oooooohhh dayamn!
turbotricycle
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
BananaShip
theblackcoffee
So much air escaping my nose right now
AfroSamuraiRM
Oh yes the cowboy shit walk stance. Very impressive.
iputthefiresout
stevie1derbread
First time this meme made me laugh thanks
BananaShip
legessi
You're on FIRE...pardon the expression.
MyOcContent
Curiously: is the shoulder the least damaging non-fatal shot? I'd have thought the thigh or bicep of some sort?
DeltaBird
Thigh means you still can be shot, as you haven't disabled the arm. Bicep = smaller target, so more likely to miss, and again, have you shot
Azmania
Make believe bullets are the least damaging, as in all of OP's fantasies.
Baja2185
Limb shots are always a missed shot. The criminal got lucky is all
DeltaBird
Part 2: but yes, as they stated it is more likely to end up with them damaged or bleeding out along with you dead.
jackbinimbul
You bleed out like a motherfucker if you get hit wrong in the thigh.
SaintNewts
I don't see how you get much choice, honestly. You aim for the mass and hope it hits without any collateral.
bitemark
Everyone always thinks police are trickshot sharpshooters who aren't under any pressure when they fire
SaintNewts
Last I heard, they were all human.
murphyslaw101
You shoot center mass to stop...this isn't the movies also thier are major arteries in the thigh probably not the best places to take a slug
nefridelle
What about thigh?
Twiddlederf
Femoral artery
thundercactus
Dangerous to get shot anywhere, really. Shooting center mass is more about 'not missing' than not hitting an artery though, is it not?
nefridelle
Ohhhh never thought about that one.
FinValkyria
Also harder to hit than center mass.
Baja2185
Plus high chance of missing. So if you hit, the guy dies anyway, if you miss, someone else dies. Stop trying to save criminals
Baja2185
Because its not a matter of saving them at zero cost. Saving them is incredibly high risk to the people there. If you shouldnt kill them,
Twiddlederf
Hitting the bicep the wrong way or using a larger caliber could devastate the muscle or shred the whole arm
Arshem
Also, hitting the thigh could in the wrong spot could cause him to bleed out in a few minutes. However, @OP Thank you for your service!
Azmania
Because when using deadly force, that's a real consideration. It's like sterilizing the needle for lethal injection. You're so full of crap.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Did you go for non-fatal on purpose despite the immediate threat to her life?
Baja2185
Non fatal shots are impossible from a physiologic standpoint. Bullets can kill no matter where you shoot. No one will ever intentionally
Baja2185
Shoot a limb. Those are always lucky (for the criminal) missed shots.
PULLMAN464
You shoot for center mass. If the shot takes the person down and they're no longer a threat, you stop shooting.
PULLMAN464
Like if you hit the arm with the hand holding the gun.
Twiddlederf
To be honest I was aiming to kill him. But I pulled the trigger before he fully turned, thus wounding
DrSkyhammer
where's the source? should made the news right? or did you make this up like your other stories
Twiddlederf
They don't teach you to wound
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kittykatkilla
I find that slightly odd. In Denmark they are told to wound, unless kill is the only way out. Guess that's the difference between countries
MeowChikaWowWow
They also don't teach you to kill. They teach you to eliminate the threat.
PULLMAN464
I'd love to be able to do that. We're taught to take a lethal shot as it's lethal force required to shoot.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Good to know, I was just curious since all I know is what I see in fiction.
GodzillaHarddiskson
Interesting. Here, police are trained to do the exact opposite unless the situation REALLY dictates a fatal shot. This is in /1
iFavoriteNSWFstuffButtAlsoOtherStuff
which is good. ofc you train to hit the chest - it's the easiest target. you could train zo shoot the gun out of his hand though